February 9, 20196 yr I think for this amount of people moving into one area without more mixed use is kind of a shame.
February 9, 20196 yr They built a retail focused building where it made sense, on North 4th. That's the street that should be developed as a commercial mixed use corridor. There's plenty of vacancy (including at Kramer Place across the street) and under-utilized space there. No one in Jeffery Park is more than 1,200 ft from North 4th. I don't understand how people expect to force a coffee shop or artisanal bakery every 30 feet. No one eats that much bread!
February 9, 20196 yr 11 hours ago, 17thState said: Wagenbrenner didn't build the $1M exposed plywood building, that was the one Jeffery park lot they didn't own. Those were built by Mulberry. I think Wagenbrenner has overall done a nice job turning a huge empty lot into a neighborhood. The northern street wall is a little bit monotonous and the placement of the town homes is a bit odd in some places. But I've been in some them and they seem nicely done inside and out. Yep. Mulberry is also building that cheap, hideous condo building at Ohio and Bryden in OTE.
February 9, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, 17thState said: They built a retail focused building where it made sense, on North 4th. That's the street that should be developed as a commercial mixed use corridor. There's plenty of vacancy (including at Kramer Place across the street) and under-utilized space there. No one in Jeffery Park is more than 1,200 ft from North 4th. I don't understand how people expect to force a coffee shop or artisanal bakery every 30 feet. No one eats that much bread! Yeah, the density here is great. With so much retail nearby and on its way I don't see the need for this to be filled with mixed-use. More green space would be nice though. A Goodale Park for Italian Village should have been built here, and the residential buildings oriented to it.
February 9, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, 4N6science said: I think for this amount of people moving into one area without more mixed use is kind of a shame. It's helping 4th develop though, there has been a complete transformation of that corridor in the past 12-16 months. I am disappointed that they didn't make it more mixed used though. Also shame on Mulberry and my apologies to Wagenbrenner for my previous comments.
February 10, 20196 yr On 2/9/2019 at 1:38 PM, wpcc88 said: It's helping 4th develop though, there has been a complete transformation of that corridor in the past 12-16 months. I am disappointed that they didn't make it more mixed used though. Also shame on Mulberry and my apologies to Wagenbrenner for my previous comments. Yes, overall it is helping 4th grow and that is great. I remember seeing the field of dirt and concrete when I moved here in 2014. Obviously having this density of people is much better. I will hope that more businesses will start moving in to help fill the needs of all the new residents.
February 11, 20196 yr At what point will density be high enough for retail to move in? There are empty storefronts on High St in the new buildings between 7th and 9th too. Is the rent so high that it's cost prohibitive for local businesses? Can only national chains afford the rent?
February 11, 20196 yr 7 hours ago, Pablo said: At what point will density be high enough for retail to move in? There are empty storefronts on High St in the new buildings between 7th and 9th too. Is the rent so high that it's cost prohibitive for local businesses? Can only national chains afford the rent? Rent is high because it's a hot neighborhood... greed is the only answer.. if I'm a developer I'm aiming for 100% occupancy before the build is complete, give discounts at first and get tenants and raise it when the contract is up.. some think like that in Columbus and others don't
February 12, 20196 yr 13 hours ago, Pablo said: At what point will density be high enough for retail to move in? There are empty storefronts on High St in the new buildings between 7th and 9th too. Is the rent so high that it's cost prohibitive for local businesses? Can only national chains afford the rent? Population density across the Short North overall hit 10,400 in 2017, the latest year we have. That's up by about 1200 since 2010, and is probably being undercounted given that the Census has consistently shown only relatively low growth for that area for some reason. The retail issue outside of High is still related to High. The entire Short North is expensive for retail because of the destination that is High, as well as the quality neighborhoods around it. On corridors like 4th, you still have higher rents, but significantly less guaranteed traffic than High Street, where so much retail is already concentrated. Beyond that, few new projects off of High actually include retail space, so you're not even seeing potential retail down the road. As for the future of retail away from High, other corridors are best served with local concentrations, like at major intersections. Sort of like those in German Village- not destination retail, but neighborhood-level stuff. Edited February 12, 20196 yr by jonoh81
February 13, 20196 yr On 2/11/2019 at 10:10 PM, jonoh81 said: Population density across the Short North overall hit 10,400 in 2017, the latest year we have. That's up by about 1200 since 2010, and is probably being undercounted given that the Census has consistently shown only relatively low growth for that area for some reason. The retail issue outside of High is still related to High. The entire Short North is expensive for retail because of the destination that is High, as well as the quality neighborhoods around it. On corridors like 4th, you still have higher rents, but significantly less guaranteed traffic than High Street, where so much retail is already concentrated. Beyond that, few new projects off of High actually include retail space, so you're not even seeing potential retail down the road. As for the future of retail away from High, other corridors are best served with local concentrations, like at major intersections. Sort of like those in German Village- not destination retail, but neighborhood-level stuff. I think some of that has to do with the existing building stock. What you said holds very true for a place like Victorian Village. Large, historic single-family homes are hard to convert to a functional retail space, and very cost prohibitive. But a place like Italian Village is slowly becoming the "just off High" commercial area. All of those small former factories are great for converting into coffee shops, breweries, and so on. And most of the buildings are fronted up against a street with no or minimal setback. The challenge for this area is going to be 4th and Summit, which are basically highways. There's a noticeable drop in pedestrian comfort level once you get off High Street and into the Italian Village area.
March 22, 20196 yr Snapped a picture of the building at 4th & Warren St on my way in today. I will say, as much as I hate that it was downsized, I don't think it's a terrible design for the area. Anyway here you go! Also you can also see the nearly complete 'Galion Flats' (4 story condo building) just behind in this picture. Additional little side note, looks like they are in the process of rebuilding a bit of the street grid with connecting Warren St across 4th into Jeffrey Park. Edited March 22, 20196 yr by tlb919
March 22, 20196 yr I can remember when that area looked like Hiroshima-for decades actually. It amounted to about 40 acres of absolute desolation. Little by little, bit by bit, the city is filling in. ? Edited March 22, 20196 yr by Toddguy
March 22, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, tlb919 said: Snapped a picture of the building at 4th & Warren St on my way in today. I will say, as much as I hate that it was downsized, I don't think it's a terrible design for the area. Anyway here you go! Also you can also see the nearly complete 'Galion Flats' (4 story condo building) just behind in this picture. Additional little side note, looks like they are in the process of rebuilding a bit of the street grid with connecting Warren St across 4th into Jeffrey Park. Warren never actually went further than 4th Street, at least going back to the 1880s, so it would be a completely new extension. 6th also didn't go that far south. It ended at 1st.
March 22, 20196 yr 8 hours ago, tlb919 said: Snapped a picture of the building at 4th & Warren St on my way in today. I will say, as much as I hate that it was downsized, I don't think it's a terrible design for the area. Anyway here you go! Also you can also see the nearly complete 'Galion Flats' (4 story condo building) just behind in this picture. Additional little side note, looks like they are in the process of rebuilding a bit of the street grid with connecting Warren St across 4th into Jeffrey Park. I'm totally fine with the change in architecture (even if it is a downsize) because we didn't get this nifty building on the other side of the site (the smaller-scale buildings in a grid pattern were built instead)
March 22, 20196 yr The reason this was downsized is because they're shifting density toward the southern most portion of the site with 6-10 floor buildings proposed there. It kind of makes sense because this will block any noise from the interstate from the rest of the Jeffery Park site, but I'm concerned about more density and the traffic it generates in that portion of the development having to traverse a bunch of narrow streets with parking on both sides to get in and out.
March 22, 20196 yr 16 minutes ago, cityscapes said: The reason this was downsized is because they're shifting density toward the southern most portion of the site with 6-10 floor buildings proposed there. It kind of makes sense because this will block any noise from the interstate from the rest of the Jeffery Park site, but I'm concerned about more density and the traffic it generates in that portion of the development having to traverse a bunch of narrow streets with parking on both sides to get in and out. I haven’t see any proposals for 6-10 stories at Jeffrey Park. Link? Edited March 22, 20196 yr by jonoh81
March 22, 20196 yr 11 minutes ago, jonoh81 said: I haven’t see any proposals for 6-10 stories at Jeffrey Park. Link? Just because they haven't made it to the Italian Village Commission where renders would surface for articles doesn't mean projects aren't taking shape in the background. The City of Columbus isn't the most transparent city for finding out what development applications are being filed and where but if you know where to look it's not impossible.
March 23, 20196 yr 16 hours ago, jonoh81 said: I haven’t see any proposals for 6-10 stories at Jeffrey Park. Link? Well I really hope we do see some eventually. I hope they work out any traffic problems, any noise problems, and go UP for those views. Maybe a buffer and a few floors of parking first and then build up above that? I have always hoped they would go higher for that "lower" portion of the land area.
March 23, 20196 yr 19 hours ago, cityscapes said: Just because they haven't made it to the Italian Village Commission where renders would surface for articles doesn't mean projects aren't taking shape in the background. The City of Columbus isn't the most transparent city for finding out what development applications are being filed and where but if you know where to look it's not impossible. Oh I definitely know that. I go to the City Portal all the time searching for new projects that have not been officially announced or made it to neighborhood commissions. Good catch and great news.
March 23, 20196 yr On 3/22/2019 at 5:57 PM, cityscapes said: The reason this was downsized is because they're shifting density toward the southern most portion of the site with 6-10 floor buildings proposed there. I wonder if all the people who've recently bought their $450k condos with rooftop views of downtown know that's the plan. I imagine that height would block alot of that. I know your not entitled to a view, but they do make it part of the selling point and they're the ones developing the whole project. I'd be a little upset
March 24, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, 17thState said: I wonder if all the people who've recently bought their $450k condos with rooftop views of downtown know that's the plan. I imagine that height would block alot of that. I know your not entitled to a view, but they do make it part of the selling point and they're the ones developing the whole project. I'd be a little upset One buying in a development like that should be well aware that the completion of the project may result in the loss of a view etc. If they want their skyline view back they'll just have to build taller buildings downtown so they can see them over all the new development in Jeffery Park.
April 8, 20196 yr CU has some more construction photos of the Jeffrey Park development -- posted on 3/22 at https://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-short-north-university-district Some photos of construction in the interior of Jeffrey Park: And a recently finished phase at Jeffrey Park: Photo of construction at the edge of Jeffrey Park along Fourth Street:
April 9, 20196 yr Plans Unveiled for Final Phases of Jeffrey Park The latest plans for the future of Jeffrey Park were unveiled today by Wagenbrenner Development. Along with new residential buildings and a reconfigured park space, the plans call for a large parking garage with office space above it that would be the tallest building constructed so far in the 41-acre development at the edge of Italian Village. Containing anywhere from 100,000 to 140,000 square feet of office space, the building would also hold enough parking to meet the needs of the final three phases of Jeffrey Park. Apartments would wrap around the parking garage, and an amenity deck would offer outdoor space for both residents and office tenants. “The (Italian Village) Commission has been wanting to see our best guess for how the site is going to fill out,” said company president Mark Wagenbrenner. “The problem is, every time we show a plan that’s this far out, the world changes…we’re now getting close enough to the end, though, that it is in everybody’s interest to (share the plans).” More below: https://www.columbusunderground.com/plans-unveiled-for-final-phases-of-jeffrey-park-bw1
April 9, 20196 yr 16 minutes ago, Zyrokai said: Final phase of the Jeffery unveiled by Columbus Underground: https://www.columbusunderground.com/plans-unveiled-for-final-phases-of-jeffrey-park-bw1 Edit: not sure how to make the link pretty, lol. Finally some height!
April 9, 20196 yr Not sure on the angle of that rendering, but it looks like it blocks the view of downtown a bit for some of the townhomes/apartments. I like the height though!
April 9, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, 4N6science said: Not sure on the angle of that rendering, but it looks like it blocks the view of downtown a bit for some of the townhomes/apartments. I like the height though! From the article: The biggest expected concern from residents is the potential for the proposed office building to block views to the south. Wagenbrenner said they worked to preserve what he called the “meaty part of the Downtown view” by stepping down the height of the western portion of the building.
April 9, 20196 yr I hope they go with the 4 floors of residential on top of the office to make it a 14 floor building. Too bad they did not include a bit more retail along 4th.
April 9, 20196 yr 40 minutes ago, Toddguy said: I hope they go with the 4 floors of residential on top of the office to make it a 14 floor building. Too bad they did not include a bit more retail along 4th. They could always make it half as wide but twice as tall ? lol
April 9, 20196 yr Finally a link to back up my earlier claims. Everything looks good about the final phases but the taller building is kind of ugly but that's subjective.
April 10, 20196 yr 14 hours ago, cityscapes said: Finally a link to back up my earlier claims. Everything looks good about the final phases but the taller building is kind of ugly but that's subjective. Really interesting to see these "final phase" concepts for the rest of the build out, I really appreciate that they are going taller and a bit denser with the final pieces. I would venture to say the final design of the taller structure wont look anything like shown above, it seems the most "conceptual" render in the bunch. I imagine the final design will be a bit more in line with the architecture in Jeffrey and probably a bit more of a showpiece. I toured one of the condos in the area a few weeks back and I will say, the agent didn't bring up the possible loss of view until I asked and they he just came out and said "views are not guaranteed". Overall though this has turned out as a really good infill of such a massive blank slate (minus the lack of retail interspersed).
April 12, 20196 yr 10-story building, 600+ residences proposed in Italian Village The final phases of Jeffrey Park could bring hundreds of new residential units and a significant mixed-use tower. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/04/12/slideshow-10-story-building-600-residences.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
July 1, 20195 yr Not sure this project was posted anywhere online but there's a sizable new townhouse development being built near the back of Jeffery Park. I pulled this from the city's citizens access page, for newer projects if you find the site plan you can go into attachments and download a PDF of what was approved. FYI this does not work on Safari but works in Chrome.
September 2, 20195 yr Couple of late July Jeffrey Park pics from https://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-short-north-grandview-yard-we1 Work wrapping up on one phase: Construction underway on another phase:
October 7, 20195 yr Looks like the 10-story building might end up being an 11-story building. "NEW COMMERCIAL 11-STORY HIGH RISE. 7 FLOORS OF PARKING GARAGE WITH 4 FLOORS OF OFFICE. RETAIL/RESTAURANT COMPONENT ON 1ST AND 8TH FLOORS, AN A POOL DECK ON 8TH FLOOR. 5-STORY APARTMENTS WILL WRAP AROUND THE GARAGE (FUTURE PROJECT)"
October 8, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, Zyrokai said: S---seven floors of parking? Gotta find a way to get those views above the highway lol.
October 8, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, Zyrokai said: S---seven floors of parking? Thankfully they should be wrapped by 5-stories of apartments in the future so it will be somewhat hidden.
October 8, 20195 yr 20 hours ago, cbussoccer said: Thankfully they should be wrapped by 5-stories of apartments in the future so it will be somewhat hidden. I really wish there was no "future phase" with that. Anyway I don't know if this is posted yet. https://www.columbusunderground.com/boutique-hotel-proposed-for-italian-village-site-bw1 Such a good place for infill but I don't see any mention of any first floor commercial or retail.
November 7, 20195 yr Panorama pic of Jeffrey Park construction posted 10/31 at https://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-october-2019-2-we1
November 7, 20195 yr Looks like Jeffrey Park is ready to get things rolling on their mid-rise. They are on the agenda to present a the designs for the 11-story structure along I-670 for conceptual review at the November IVC meeting. According to the meeting notes they are planning a - 7-story garage topped with 4 floors of office (11 floors total) - Wrapping the garage in 5 floors of residential - First floor will contain Restaurant space, a leasing office, and an elevator lobby with reception. Based on their existing garage at the Jeffrey I think the garage, although 7 floors, may actually match the height of the 5-story residential portion making the structure really about 9 stories tall but we shall see. I am also curious to see if they completely wrap the garage in residential or if it will only be in 3 sides, leaving the freeway facing side exposed. https://www.columbus.gov/Templates/Detail.aspx?id=2147509299
November 7, 20195 yr It looks like we will get some updates on the future Jeffrey Park mid-rise at next week's IV Commission meeting. From the agenda: New Construction mixed used building will contain the following: o 7 story parking garage o 5 story 200 unit apartment wrapping the garage with fully integrated balconies o First floor lobby with reception, leasing, and restaurant o Elevator to serve the apartments and rooftop amenity space on the 8th floor o Class A office on the 8th-11th floors I'm glad they are wrapping the 7 floors of parking with 5 floors apartments (I'm assuming the apartments will completely cover the parking from street view), but it's a shame they couldn't stack the 5 floors of apartments in with the 7 floors of parking and 4 floors of office to create a 15-16 story structure. Regardless, I never expected to see an 11 story structure here and I'm excited to hopefully see some updated renderings.
November 8, 20195 yr I'm still surprised they are positioning this building such that it blocks the downtown views of the rest of Jeffery Park. I know, I know, views aren't guaranteed, but they're still trying to sell $500k condos here, you'd think they'd place the height on the far eastern edge of the site to make their sales people's lives a little easier. If it was just apartments, I get it, who cares, but you'd think having that roof top deck actually look at something would help things sell/increase the pricing.
November 8, 20195 yr 9 hours ago, 17thState said: I'm still surprised they are positioning this building such that it blocks the downtown views of the rest of Jeffery Park. I know, I know, views aren't guaranteed, but they're still trying to sell $500k condos here, you'd think they'd place the height on the far eastern edge of the site to make their sales people's lives a little easier. If it was just apartments, I get it, who cares, but you'd think having that roof top deck actually look at something would help things sell/increase the pricing. It'll really only block the Eastern half of downtown starting with Rhodes Tower. Now that's a selling point! Edited November 8, 20195 yr by aderwent
November 13, 20195 yr 11-story tower to cap off Jeffrey Park development in Italian Village Plans shared with the Italian Village Commission provide new details on the scope of the tower and set its planned height at 11 stories. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/11/12/11-story-tower-to-cap-off-jeffrey-park-development.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
November 13, 20195 yr This is a model (in terms of use. Design is debatable) for every parking deck in the city. No more stand alone decks should be permitted.
November 13, 20195 yr I overall like the look of Jeffery Park but I want to see some more detailed renderings of the taller building. It looks kind of weird and not very attractive the more I stare at it. I'm also all for adding architectural diversity but this sticks out in the development in a bad way. With some minor tweaks it could look like less of a goth art deco hospital.
November 13, 20195 yr 7 hours ago, cityscapes said: I overall like the look of Jeffery Park but I want to see some more detailed renderings of the taller building. It looks kind of weird and not very attractive the more I stare at it. I'm also all for adding architectural diversity but this sticks out in the development in a bad way. With some minor tweaks it could look like less of a goth art deco hospital. This! They had a ton of pics but none of them were of the actual buildng except for the one which showed it in the background which we have seen before. How frustrating!-and it makes me suspicious of what they are really planning there. And yes it does look a bit on the dark and foreboding side(from the one far off render we have seen of it.) It should be well done since it will be very visible. There seems to be a lack of transparency or it is too early in the process to reveal more detained info maybe? *the good thing presented was the little map which shows just how much they seem to have utilized the whole Jeffrey Park space pretty close up to the freeway.
November 13, 20195 yr 9 hours ago, DTCL11 said: This is a model (in terms of use. Design is debatable) for every parking deck in the city. No more stand alone decks should be permitted. Absolutely agree. Wrap them in residential(at least on the street side/prominent sides and/or build residential on top or have a green amenity roof for the top instead of just more rooftop parking. If we have to have them(and this is Cbus so for now we kind of do)they should be done right!
January 31, 20205 yr Couple of photos of the ongoing Jeffrey Park development from https://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-january-2020-we1
March 11, 20205 yr On 3/9/2020 at 11:01 AM, DevolsDance said: The IVC agenda for March has been posted https://www.columbus.gov/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2147514383 Additionally, looks like we may get a peek at the 11-story tower in Jeffrey Park, it's been placed up for conceptual review. - Construction of an 11 story building that includes a mix of office and residential units, as well as a 7 story parking garage. ...and here it is: Mixed-use tower would complete Jeffrey Park development A planned tower to cap off Jeffrey Park would bring more height to the Short North. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/03/11/mixed-use-tower-would-complete-jeffrey-park.html
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