venice beach

 

these are from last april -- i lost a bunch unfortunately, waah, but anyway -- have a look!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

caplin house (frederick fisher,1979)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

norton beach house (frank gehry, 1984) 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

marina del rey

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*** i hope you enjoyed the lazy hang around venice beach ***

 

those utility poles are so ugly.  

 

I didn't realize so many people were tossing scooters into the water.  I've heard and seen them on the highway.

^ yep there are so many scooters cluttering venice streets and sidewalks the people have rebelled and are tossing them in the water.

12 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

^ yep there are so many scooters cluttering venice streets and sidewalks the people have rebelled and are tossing them in the water.

 

i don't blame people, they have really junked up the streets and sidewalks around there and relatively few people seem to use them.

 

well, ok you shouldn't do that, but what did all those e-scooter companies expect was going to happen?

Thanks for that!

It's definitely one of the unique parts of LA.  Is some sort of historic zoning preventing the replacement of the buildings along the beach with something more substantial?  When I was there in September I noticed some new homes, but the core 3-4 blocks facing the beach appeared to be unchanged.  All it would take is replacement of one of those with some sort of mega-development and it would all be over. 

California Coastal Commission probably kills everything.

45 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

California Coastal Commission probably kills everything.

 

It's crazy how almost nothing is untouched from LA south until you get around Torrence, where there is maybe 1,000 feet of protected natural coastline (Palos Verdes?), which illustrates just how un-spectacular Southern California was in its natural state when the Spanish (thinly) settled the area. 

 

Then the development starts right back up and continues for another 20~ miles until...Camp Pendleton, where there is no development for 15+ miles. 

11 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

It's definitely one of the unique parts of LA.  Is some sort of historic zoning preventing the replacement of the buildings along the beach with something more substantial?  When I was there in September I noticed some new homes, but the core 3-4 blocks facing the beach appeared to be unchanged.  All it would take is replacement of one of those with some sort of mega-development and it would all be over. 

California has done a pretty good job of maintaining beach access. Any major development project is going to be under strict scrutiny from the Coastal Commission. 

i dk about it being crazy, all long coastline stretches have that.

 

overall almost all of the pac coastline is very spectacular. its america's riviera. and it truly is. include north up to sf/seattle/vancouver and south down to sd/baja. then pick anywhere and go -- the whole north american pac coast is all highly recommended for driving and hanging out. it's just about the best thing ever to do as far as vacations.

^Except there are only a handful of natural ports: San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle/Tacoma.  Long Beach was a very small natural harbor.  The complete opposite of the east coast in that regard which is home to almost innumerable natural ports - many minor ports in addition to the major ones at Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Norfolk, Charleston, Savannah, and Miami.  Plus there is Tampa, New Orleans, Galveston, Brownsville, and a dozen other minor ports on the Gulf Coast.  

 

California really is crap land with a crap coast compared the eastern United States.  It only acquired a lot of utilitarian use with great works of engineering, especially bringing water into Southern California and the Central Valley.  

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 Plus there is Tampa, New Orleans, Galveston, Brownsville, and a dozen other minor ports on the Gulf Coast.

 

California really is crap land with a crap coast compared the eastern United States.  It only acquired a lot of utilitarian use with great works of engineering, especially bringing water into Southern California and the Central Valley.  

 

 

You trying to make me jealous of Galveston and Brownsville? 

11 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

^Except there are only a handful of natural ports: San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle/Tacoma.  Long Beach was a very small natural harbor.  The complete opposite of the east coast in that regard which is home to almost innumerable natural ports - many minor ports in addition to the major ones at Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Norfolk, Charleston, Savannah, and Miami.  Plus there is Tampa, New Orleans, Galveston, Brownsville, and a dozen other minor ports on the Gulf Coast.  

 

California really is crap land with a crap coast compared the eastern United States.  It only acquired a lot of utilitarian use with great works of engineering, especially bringing water into Southern California and the Central Valley.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

and it didn't matter because the west wasn't developed mainly through port cities like the east was. you might as well say, for example, why is there a northwest ohio today when it was all the useless black swamp? there is no question the west coast and the natural beauty along there were going to attract development from top to bottom. and so it has. in fact it has some of the most valuable and protected coastal land on earth. also, there is plenty of beach access, its just not always obvious and visible at sea level as the east coast almost entirely is. of course funny enough shipping in los angeles is like its biggest industry these days and i think its even the biggest in the country, if not the world.

It is the busiest container port but not even close by gross weight:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ports_in_the_United_States

 

Ocean-going freighters can sail up the Mississippi as far as Baton Rouge.  There are many cargo transfer points along those 100+ miles.  A lot of raw material is transferred from ocean freighters to river barges and then the barges are shipped as far north as Minnesota, as far east as Pittsburgh, and along the Gulf Coast from Brownsville east to the Florida Panhandle.  

of course things might have been very, very different in west coast history if china had kept up its ming dynasty fleet -- they were already trading with india and africa by 1400.

 

if anyone hasn't seen it -- here is a general zheng he ming dynasty ship vs a columbus ship.

 

On 10/27/2019 at 6:34 PM, mrnyc said:

^ yep there are so many scooters cluttering venice streets and sidewalks the people have rebelled and are tossing them in the water.

 

I was in the LA for Thanksgiving, and my God the place is an abandoned scooter grave yard.  I never paid attention before, but this trip it was conscious about scooters.There are abandoned scooters on, on-ramps!

7 hours ago, MyTwoSense said:

 

I was in the LA for Thanksgiving, and my God the place is an abandoned scooter grave yard.  I never paid attention before, but this trip it was conscious about scooters.There are abandoned scooters on, on-ramps!

 

@MyTwoSense You should have given me a call if you were in "the" LA;)  But I most definitely was not hanging out in Venice.  I avoid Venice as much as I can.  Larchmont Village and Windsor Park (subset of Hancock Park) and K-town are more my speed.

9 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

@MyTwoSense You should have given me a call if you were in "the" LA;)  But I most definitely was not hanging out in Venice.  I avoid Venice as much as I can.  Larchmont Village and Windsor Park (subset of Hancock Park) and K-town are more my speed.

 

 

Lol, I laughed at the "the", but I mean....can you blame him? They do preface their highway numbers with "the", after all ?

 

I go out to the LA about once a year. I've always enjoyed the Venice Beach. I'll keep the Larchmont Village and the Windsor Park in mind next time I'm out there on the 405 or the 101 when I'm looking for a new place to visit in the SoCal.

 

Sorry....just having fun : p . If it weren't ubiquitous and commonplace to say out there, prefacing 405 and 101 would sound just as ridiculous ?

Take the 315 to the 270

15 hours ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

@MyTwoSense You should have given me a call if you were in "the" LA;)  But I most definitely was not hanging out in Venice.  I avoid Venice as much as I can.  Larchmont Village and Windsor Park (subset of Hancock Park) and K-town are more my speed.

Hehehe.  Thing 2s youngest son, places "the" in front of every city.  It's always "The Cleveland", "The Cow-lumbus", etc.  It tickles me, because he does it on purpose and he thinks it's funny

 

Over the last 10+years we spent Thanksgiving in LA.  It become a tradition.  We went to Venice, although, "cold" in LA, just because of this post, plus and that the whippersnapper wanted to explore LA.  This was his third time in LA so he wanted to see more than just Westwood.

 

You people are really trying to take over Windors and Leimert Park.

 

Edited December 7, 20195 yr by MyTwoSense

4 hours ago, Zyrokai said:

 

 

Lol, I laughed at the "the", but I mean....can you blame him? They do preface their highway numbers with "the", after all ?

 

I go out to the LA about once a year. I've always enjoyed the Venice Beach. I'll keep the Larchmont Village and the Windsor Park in mind next time I'm out there on the 405 or the 101 when I'm looking for a new place to visit in the SoCal.

 

Sorry....just having fun : p . If it weren't ubiquitous and commonplace to say out there, prefacing 405 and 101 would sound just as ridiculous ?

Venice is a horrible tourist trap.  We only went to look for scooters in the canal.   LA traffic was terrible, but uber/lyft pentiful.

 

I'm impressed with the build out in Culver City.  Sawtelle continues to increase some unique family/mom&pop/independent restaurants, I hope this area remains on the DL.  I made my customary visit to Howlin rays and Stans donuts even though my mom and aunts made a ton of food. I wish we had a howlin rays in NYC or the CLE.

On 12/6/2019 at 5:49 PM, MyTwoSense said:

 

I was in the LA for Thanksgiving, and my God the place is an abandoned scooter grave yard.  I never paid attention before, but this trip it was conscious about scooters.There are abandoned scooters on, on-ramps!

 

 

it's an unbelievable mess, isn't it? 

 

meanwhile, up in santa monica it's all orderly with the scooters.

 

quite a contrast.

30 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

 

 

it's an unbelievable mess, isn't it? 

 

meanwhile, up in santa monica it's all orderly with the scooters.

 

quite a contrast.

I thought the scooter situation was just as bad in Santa Monica. Right by the train, on the pier (how?) and Wilsher is littered with bikes in numerous places.

 

Westwood, Manning, S. Beverly and Pico are terrible.  Century City mall, right by the Valet parking is a breeding ground for bikes.  Ironically, on the same side of the street,  across the street, there was collection of bikes.  ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

i didn't see it that bad elsewhere, but no doubt even that's all downright neat and tidy as compared to slobby, slacker venice.

3 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

i didn't see it that bad elsewhere, but no doubt even that's all downright neat and tidy as compared to slobby, slacker venice.

 

Those are all streets I use on a daily basis.  Wilsher Blvd is terrible.  Scooters just in the middle of the sidewalk or congregated (dumped) on corners in the Westwood, Century City, Rancho areas are littered with scooters.  Granted I live close to UCLA and a lot of students and residents use it for quick one way travel, but what pisses me off is the people who leave them anywhere.

that's the contrast with santa monica.

 

the majority of the scooters are kept lined on one street in front of the train station.

 

being technically a suburb, they probably can clamp down on it better.

 

still not great though, from what you are saying.

 

i dk what i actually think of them.

 

i liked using them, they are fun and easy, but i like walking, so meh.

 

i guess ideally it would be nice if they were more strictly kept in scooter corrals.

 

seems like herding cats though.

This just in

 

https://ktla.com/2019/12/21/jody-maronis-sausage-kingdom-bows-out-with-a-venice-beach-goodbye-after-40-years/

 

Changes....... Le Sigh