Diagonally across from League Park.

There's a permit application pending for a tenant fit-out of the ground-floor retail space at the Axis on Ansel, 1750 Ansel Rd. The architectural documents attached to the permit application don't identify the tenant for the 1,094-square-foot space at the corner of Ansel and Hough, however. The applicant is the apartment building's developer, Signet Real Estate Group.

 

The blueprints state only that the work will consist of:

 

FIT OUT OF RESTROOM AND ELECTRICAL CLOSET FOR A PROPOSED TENANT. ALL TENANT WORK SHALL BE PERMITTED SEPARATELY FROM THIS APPLICATION AND CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.

Edited September 14, 20204 yr by KJP

21 hours ago, KJP said:

There's a permit application pending for a tenant fit-out of the ground-floor retail space at the Axis on Ansel, 1750 Ansel Rd. The architectural documents attached to the permit application don't identify the tenant for the 1,094-square-foot space at the corner of Ansel and Hough, however. The applicant is the apartment building's developer, Signet Real Estate Group.

 

The blueprints state only that the work will consist of:

 

FIT OUT OF RESTROOM AND ELECTRICAL CLOSET FOR A PROPOSED TENANT. ALL TENANT WORK SHALL BE PERMITTED SEPARATELY FROM THIS APPLICATION AND CONTRACT DOCUMENTS.

I would expect a small market that sells essential items and groceries.

The first phase of "The Allen Estates" around E 65th and Whittier will feature 6 houses Here's two of the houses and an overall development plan. Mind the blurriness these are screenshots from the BOZA meeting.

^ I like the modern design of these houses. 

wow those are nice looking and a very modern style.

I find the renderings funny as they make them all look like they're sitting on wooded lots out in the country, no in a dense urban neighborhood.  But whatever, I like the designs well enough, and it's good to see Hough get some investment!

always keep renders at arm's length lol.

1 hour ago, X said:

I find the renderings funny as they make them all look like they're sitting on wooded lots out in the country, no in a dense urban neighborhood.  But whatever, I like the designs well enough, and it's good to see Hough get some investment!

 

Well..... much of Hough IS a wooded lot, or a prairie.

 

BTW, you just reminded me that this apartment building at the streetview below is about to be demolished. Do a 360 in streetview of its surroundings....

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1834+E+79th+St,+Cleveland,+OH+44103/@41.5080604,-81.6335324,3a,75y,268.14h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sntYHqLEzFlU88loTwBzbdQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DntYHqLEzFlU88loTwBzbdQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.gws-prod.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D268.14264%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830fbbafa516e37:0xf4688944d806a548!8m2!3d41.508046!4d-81.634186

 

That building was just out of view in the lower right corner....

 

Edited September 24, 20204 yr by KJP

A shame that apartment is being lost. Its a very handsome building. I like the new modern houses though. Much much MUCH better than the suburban colonials that have been seemingly the only style of houses built on the east side since 1990. Nicer to have some added diversity than to continue to try and replicate Streetsboro.

^My thoughts exactly.  I was looking at the site plans - it looks like you can fit 3 of these houses on one mcmansion lot right down the street.

I never understood why those houses were built in the first place. If you are going to build in an urban environment, create a home which will not only be an urban style but encourage renovation of the historic homes in the surrounding neighborhood.

2 minutes ago, Growth Mindset said:

I never understood why those houses were built in the first place. If you are going to build in an urban environment, create a home which will not only be an urban style but encourage renovation of the historic homes in the surrounding neighborhood.

Former Councilwoman Fannie Lewis wanted suburban style home built.  They are referred to as Fannie's mansions. 

22 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Well..... much of Hough IS a wooded lot, or a prairie.

 

BTW, you just reminded me that this apartment building at the streetview below is about to be demolished. Do a 360 in streetview of its surroundings....

 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1834+E+79th+St,+Cleveland,+OH+44103/@41.5080604,-81.6335324,3a,75y,268.14h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sntYHqLEzFlU88loTwBzbdQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DntYHqLEzFlU88loTwBzbdQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.gws-prod.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw%3D268.14264%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830fbbafa516e37:0xf4688944d806a548!8m2!3d41.508046!4d-81.634186

 

That building was just out of view in the lower right corner....

 

KJP, if you know, would you mind please telling us the name of the intersection in the lower part of this image, with the school? on one corner?

55 minutes ago, gruver said:

KJP, if you know, would you mind please telling us the name of the intersection in the lower part of this image, with the school? on one corner?

 

That's the intersection of Hough and East 79th. The school is Addison Junior High School.

On 9/25/2020 at 10:28 AM, Growth Mindset said:

I never understood why those houses were built in the first place. If you are going to build in an urban environment, create a home which will not only be an urban style but encourage renovation of the historic homes in the surrounding neighborhood.

These houses were built on purpose in Hough. That was intentional, for many reasons. I personally think it’s a good thing

32 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said:

These houses were built on purpose in Hough. That was intentional, for many reasons. I personally think it’s a good thing

I'd like to hear your reasoning for this. I think I'm starting agree with the sentiment but I'd like to hear your reasoning. 

The big problem with the "Hough Custom Homes" as it was known when they were being built, is that the best, most buildable lots in the neighborhood were given out willy-nilly to potential homebuyers with no overarching plan (or in Fannie's own words "the plan is in my head").  The local CDC's, who wanted to work according to a more comprehensive plan on how to rebuild Hough, were always left with the junk lots and told to make do.  It's really made it more difficult to create a more sustainable rebirth in Hough- the Hough Custom Homes are, in community redevelopment terms, less than the sum of their parts, and have crowded out other redevelopment.

Fortunately/unfortunately, there are and probably will be more lots that will become available for development.

2 hours ago, freefourur said:

I'd like to hear your reasoning for this. I think I'm starting agree with the sentiment but I'd like to hear your reasoning. 

Probably to make the area appear safer for those with disposable income. Hough needs some economic and racial diversity in a big way, and that means new residents and businesses.

Edited September 26, 20204 yr by TBideon

22 minutes ago, TBideon said:

Probably to make the area appear safer for those with disposable income. Hough needs some economic and racial diversity in a big way, and that means new residents and businesses.

I'm coming around to the idea of medium development in hough of sfh, townhomes, and apartment buildings. I think having suburban density here isn't the end of the world. Some better design choices would be nice though.

2 hours ago, freefourur said:

I'd like to hear your reasoning for this. I think I'm starting agree with the sentiment but I'd like to hear your reasoning. 

So there’s several thoughts that I have on this.

 

1. In general, I think Cleveland is big enough to have neighborhoods with styles that appeal to different people. As a result of the suburbanization of our region for so many years, it is embedded into the culture. And it’s embedded to such an extent that even some city lifers demand suburban amenities. So as a result, I don’t mind that Hough has “Streetsboro” (as someone else put it) houses. I want people to live in the city. Stay in the city. Plant roots in the city. Have families in the city. If that means there has to be one or two neighborhoods that are built like suburbs in the city, so be it. 
 

2. We gotta look at the pre-riot history of Hough. At one time Hough (and Glenville) was a very wealthy neighborhood. And the interesting thing about it is if you go and talk to many current Hough residents, they know that. It’s been passed on to many of the current residents of what Hough used to be. Those houses and the way that they are built is seen by many in Hough as a restoration of their former glory.

 

3. It’s also clearly designed to appeal to the people who work next door at the Clinic, UH, Case, etc. The people who can afford to go get a McMansion anywhere. And I think it’s smart to give them a close alternative to moving out of the city (or the county in some cases).

 

4. People also have to keep in mind the time in which these houses were first built, many of them. That period of time was the real acceleration of black flight (the black middle class following the white middle class out to the suburbs). Those folks were moving to bigger houses, larger plots of land, etc. So in some ways, these houses were also designed to fight to get the black middle class back. To get them back from the eastern suburbs. Many of the black middle class who grew up in smaller houses, with smaller plots of land and the houses closer together, had (and have) no desire to go back to that. They want the life they have the option of living in the suburbs. And this is designed for that. It’s partially an attempt to tackle something that few people on this forum or in the city in general discuss: how to get the black middle class back into the city. That’s a huge issue. 

19 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said:

So there’s several thoughts that I have on this.

 

1. In general, I think Cleveland is big enough to have neighborhoods with styles that appeal to different people. As a result of the suburbanization of our region for so many years, it is embedded into the culture. And it’s embedded to such an extent that even some city lifers demand suburban amenities. So as a result, I don’t mind that Hough has “Streetsboro” (as someone else put it) houses. I want people to live in the city. Stay in the city. Plant roots in the city. Have families in the city. If that means there has to be one or two neighborhoods that are built like suburbs in the city, so be it. 
 

2. We gotta look at the pre-riot history of Hough. At one time Hough (and Glenville) was a very wealthy neighborhood. And the interesting thing about it is if you go and talk to many current Hough residents, they know that. It’s been passed on to many of the current residents of what Hough used to be. Those houses and the way that they are built is seen by many in Hough as a restoration of their former glory.

 

3. It’s also clearly designed to appeal to the people who work next door at the Clinic, UH, Case, etc. The people who can afford to go get a McMansion anywhere. And I think it’s smart to give them a close alternative to moving out of the city (or the county in some cases).

 

4. People also have to keep in mind the time in which these houses were first built, many of them. That period of time was the real acceleration of black flight (the black middle class following the white middle class out to the suburbs). Those folks were moving to bigger houses, larger plots of land, etc. So in some ways, these houses were also designed to fight to get the black middle class back. To get them back from the eastern suburbs. Many of the black middle class who grew up in smaller houses, with smaller plots of land and the houses closer together, had (and have) no desire to go back to that. They want the life they have the option of living in the suburbs. And this is designed for that. It’s partially an attempt to tackle something that few people on this forum or in the city in general discuss: how to get the black middle class back into the city. That’s a huge issue. 

Basically Hough is trying to differentiate itself from the model that its neighboring neighborhood Glenville is following, which is dense neighborhoods, and traditional home designs. Granted Glenville saw less neighborhood teardown than Hough. 

20 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said:

So there’s several thoughts that I have on this.

 

 

You make some very good points.  Building extensively at such low density is expensive to service and maintain.   Not ideal for the long-term.  But if these kinds of homes are just one of a variety of housing types, the diversity of housing could be a plus in the short term.

3 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Basically Hough is trying to differentiate itself from the model that its neighboring neighborhood Glenville is following, which is dense neighborhoods, and traditional home designs. Granted Glenville saw less neighborhood teardown than Hough. 

Correct. Both neighborhoods were devastated but the devastation that Hough dealt with was unreal. Also we have to remember that part of what led to the unrest in the first place was overcrowding, so even many current Hough residents are density averse. Long memories there. Which goes back to my point that they’re building it that way on purpose

3 hours ago, Foraker said:

 

You make some very good points.  Building extensively at such low density is expensive to service and maintain.   Not ideal for the long-term.  But if these kinds of homes are just one of a variety of housing types, the diversity of housing could be a plus in the short term.

Well even Westlake has more than McMansions in it, right? So I don’t think, from my understanding, the plan is to have EVERYTHING look like that. But the truth of the matter is if we are ever going to attempt to bring back the black middle class, it’s gonna take a lot of houses like that. Many of the black middle class grew up in very dense environments and as a result are averse to them. There’s a reason why the black middle class decamped to places like Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights, Warrensville Heights, Beachwood, Bedford and so on. I personally believe that it is critically important to the future of the city that the black middle class is part of the conversation. Many of them are the ones with black businesses (which even in 2020 still hire more black people than nonblack owned businesses), and if we ever want to stop the bleeding on the east side, we need the black middle class back. So I appreciate Hough at least attempting to fight for that demographic. I don’t see anybody else doing so. The city of Cleveland has 36 neighborhoods. At least one of them can have McMansions in them lol

Neighborhoods need a variety of new occupants to reboot, and the black middle class relocating to Hough is on par with those with Hungarian descent moving back to Buckeye. Just as Jews aren't moving back to Glenville or Polish to Fleet, black middle has little reason for Hough when they can afford a better life for them and their families. 

 

I think you need to look at other groups to fill current neighborhood voids. Immigrants, Asians, LGBT, Hispanic, etc, "urban pioneers", artists, college students, Cleveland boosters - that's the variety neighborhoods require for success. Black middle can't do it alone. 

 

And for god sake's the east side needs a good cigar lounge. But I digress. 

5 minutes ago, TBideon said:

Neighborhoods need a variety of new occupants to reboot, and the black middle class relocating to Hough is on par with those with Hungarian descent moving back to Buckeye. Just as Jews aren't moving back to Glenville or Polish to Fleet, black middle has little reason for Hough when they can afford a better life for them and their families. 

 

I think you need to look at other groups to fill current neighborhood voids. Immigrants, Asians, LGBT, Hispanic, etc, "urban pioneers", artists, college students, Cleveland boosters - that's the variety neighborhoods require for success. Black middle can't do it alone. 

 

And for god sake's the east side needs a good cigar lounge. But I digress. 

No one said “do it alone” but no one even attempts to bring them back. And that’s disrespectful. It’s disrespectful that people want to build this brand new Cleveland without even trying to bring black folks to the table. Super offensive. Those houses that are in the renderings shown above are being built by a black company. The councilman is working to bring more black businesses and the black middle class back to that area. It’s really offensive that everybody is allowed to be catered to and targeted to bring in/bring back but black folks. 

Of course I'm not suggesting anyone be excluded but rather, realistically, a diverse neighborhood should be the focus. For any neighborhood that's suffered tremendous disinvestment, infrastructure neglect, crime, population loss, etc. We need to get away from segregated neighborhoods.

Edited September 27, 20204 yr by TBideon

4 hours ago, TBideon said:

Of course I'm not suggesting anyone be excluded but rather, realistically, a diverse neighborhood should be the focus. For any neighborhood that's suffered tremendous disinvestment, infrastructure neglect, crime, population loss, etc. We need to get away from segregated neighborhoods.

You literally just talked about attracting every group but black folks. So it’s only diversity in one direction? Cause let me tell you, it’s not a ton of black folks living in the hot neighborhoods in Cleveland that we all love. Is it a problem then? Or is it only a problem when the neighborhood is majority black? I know a ton of black professionals leaving Cleveland because they don’t feel that there’s a place for them. And where are they going? Places like Atlanta, Charlotte, DC, places that have thriving black communities, places that welcome black professionals, places that make it ok to be in the black middle class. You’re “all lives matter”ing me right now. Just because there’s a black majority neighborhood doesn’t mean that everybody else isnt allowed to live there. But we cater to everybody but black folks and this is a perfect example of it. It’s amazing that it would even be controversial to say “hey we should fight for the black middle class too”. Never said we shouldn’t get anybody else. I want Asiatown to be the biggest of its kind in the Midwest. I love the potential of La Villa Hispana. But I say something about going after the black middle class and it’s an issue? I don’t get it

Edited September 28, 20204 yr by inlovewithCLE

In the interest of keeping this thread unlocked ? allow me to suggest continuing this discussion here...

 

 

When I made the original post about liking these contemporary homes much more than the "suburban colonials" all over the east side, I wasn't even talking about the Hough McMansions. I don't even mind those much, because they provide architectural variety. What I'm tired of seeing, and glad we are not getting with these new builds, are things like these:

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5091314,-81.6469642,3a,75y,129.79h,86.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7jszAm-DUqTcAz0ft1WGPA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5119819,-81.6477187,3a,75y,171.12h,97.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJGzwVB6ocHtVNta8o0zjnw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5110925,-81.6362694,3a,75y,137.07h,88.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6xOPKZHeDCwLnZJMxEC0Nw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5120748,-81.6362564,3a,75y,201.43h,92.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skiIBbSZbI0jGtUV99fjhxQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

All in Hough, all looking like they came out of a Streetsboro or Twinsburg subdivision. I tend to agree with the thinking that Cleveland is big enough to have different neighborhood types to fit peoples' different tastes, but if we are going to have suburban platted SFH neighborhoods, lets at least have them as architecturally diverse as our people are diverse. These new contemporary style homes are doing a perfect job in that. 

 

2 hours ago, PoshSteve said:

When I made the original post about liking these contemporary homes much more than the "suburban colonials" all over the east side, I wasn't even talking about the Hough McMansions. I don't even mind those much, because they provide architectural variety. What I'm tired of seeing, and glad we are not getting with these new builds, are things like these:

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5091314,-81.6469642,3a,75y,129.79h,86.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7jszAm-DUqTcAz0ft1WGPA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5119819,-81.6477187,3a,75y,171.12h,97.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJGzwVB6ocHtVNta8o0zjnw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5110925,-81.6362694,3a,75y,137.07h,88.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6xOPKZHeDCwLnZJMxEC0Nw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5120748,-81.6362564,3a,75y,201.43h,92.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skiIBbSZbI0jGtUV99fjhxQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

All in Hough, all looking like they came out of a Streetsboro or Twinsburg subdivision. I tend to agree with the thinking that Cleveland is big enough to have different neighborhood types to fit peoples' different tastes, but if we are going to have suburban platted SFH neighborhoods, lets at least have them as architecturally diverse as our people are diverse. These new contemporary style homes are doing a perfect job in that. 

 

I don’t see anything wrong with those houses, but I do agree that diversity in the housing stock is a good thing

Their design is very suburban in nature... You can find those houses in any suburb in Cleveland or across the country. And the built form is atrocious with an attached garage in the very front, being the focal point of the home.

On 10/30/2019 at 9:39 AM, Oldmanladyluck said:

1st:  E. 90th Street Apartments, which are north of Chester.  This development will require the demo of a few classic Hough apartment buildings along E. 90th.  I'll have to get some pics before they're gone.  Here's some of the images on the CPC website:

 

This project, the Mews on E 90th Street, is still alive and planning to move forward. Stopped by today and saw that the first site at the southeast corner of E 90th St and Carrie Ct was demoed.

2 minutes ago, tykaps said:

This project, the Mews on E 90th Street, is still alive and planning to move forward. Stopped by today and saw that the first site at the southeast corner of E 90th St and Carrie Ct was demoed.

Has this gone through design review yet?

Just now, Htsguy said:

Has this gone through design review yet?

 

It's gone through neighborhood design-review at least. I don't recall if it has gone through citywide review yet.

 

There's more to this coming, though.....

On 9/28/2020 at 3:40 PM, PoshSteve said:

When I made the original post about liking these contemporary homes much more than the "suburban colonials" all over the east side, I wasn't even talking about the Hough McMansions. I don't even mind those much, because they provide architectural variety. What I'm tired of seeing, and glad we are not getting with these new builds, are things like these:

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5091314,-81.6469642,3a,75y,129.79h,86.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7jszAm-DUqTcAz0ft1WGPA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5119819,-81.6477187,3a,75y,171.12h,97.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJGzwVB6ocHtVNta8o0zjnw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5110925,-81.6362694,3a,75y,137.07h,88.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6xOPKZHeDCwLnZJMxEC0Nw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5120748,-81.6362564,3a,75y,201.43h,92.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skiIBbSZbI0jGtUV99fjhxQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

All in Hough, all looking like they came out of a Streetsboro or Twinsburg subdivision. I tend to agree with the thinking that Cleveland is big enough to have different neighborhood types to fit peoples' different tastes, but if we are going to have suburban platted SFH neighborhoods, lets at least have them as architecturally diverse as our people are diverse. These new contemporary style homes are doing a perfect job in that. 

 

I actually kind of like the one on Linwood Ave.  Other than the front loaded garage it's a nice looking house.

 

Sorry if this is the wrong thread. Mentions of Chateau Hough (anyone ever been?) Cleveland Foundation (Midtown thread locked!)  and an interesting idea to connect League Park to the Dunham Tavern. 

 

MANSFIELD: More on “Scene” Magazine

 

https://coolcleveland.com/2020/10/mansfield-more-on-scene-magazine/

2 hours ago, surfohio said:

Mentions of Chateau Hough (anyone ever been?)

Yep it's pretty good wine but the really cool part is the uniqueness of growing the grapes right here in the city. And the owner is a great guy. Fun to talk to.

Edited October 7, 20204 yr by tykaps

I'm genuinely not impressed with the layout of the new East 90th street apartments. The entrance being set that far back is something I'm not a fan of and I wish they would match the materials with the remaining brick buildings on the street. 

So THIS is what Sheila has been up to... glad to see this get off the ground 🙂

 

 

Construction to begin on new houses in Hough neighborhood, to help revitalize long-distressed area

Updated 2:36 PM; Today 1:57 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio – Six houses set to go up on Cleveland’s East Side neighborhood may seem like a relatively modest development, but it’s part of grander ambitions for the city’s long-distressed Hough neighborhood.

 

Developer Sheila Wright said at a groundbreaking ceremony Sunday that she hopes to start construction on the homes at East 65th Street and Linwood Avenue, north and west of League Park, before the end of the year. The homes will be in two layouts: 1,800 square feet and 2,200 square feet.

 

The development is dubbed “Allen Estates,” after Carolyn Watts Allen and Robert Allen. Both built homes in Hough in the 1990s and advocated for the neighborhood. All are set to be owned by Black residents.

https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2020/10/construction-to-begin-on-new-houses-in-hough-neighborhood-to-help-revitalize-long-distressed-area.html

Brownstones?!

17 hours ago, Eastside said:

Brownstones?!

For anyone who doesn't want to read the cleveland.com article but was wondering about this comment, it refers to a point in the article where the developer, Sheila White, said that the first 6 homes are only phase one and "that she envisions 15 homes, 46 brownstones and two buildings with apartments and retail on the first floor" in future phases for the area.

 

Edited to clarify that I didn't want to read the article because I'm still salty about what Advanced has done to our local paper and I hate giving them traffic, but was too curious about the Brownstones comment to not read it and just wanted to add context in case there were others like me who avoid cleveland.com if possible.

Edited October 27, 20204 yr by andrew0816

That's great news for Hough, but man, I'd kill for an article from cleveland.com that doesn't have to include a reference to riots from 50+ years ago.

Axis at Ansel (Mon. 10-26-20)

 

 

 

View from east of MLK

 

Upper Chester

 

It needs more neighbors 🙂 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

 

 

 

Unfortunately there are no immediate neighbors planned that I know of, except for whoever has a purchase agreement to buy the 10-story 9410 Hough. Most of the development I've heard about is closer to Chester.

Marous Brothers website  with a few more pics showing the Axis at Ansel looking complete.

 

163 new apartments in 13 months with no demolition of existing structures.👍