Blow-ups of the renders....

 

 

 

 

This was the previous design.....

 

Although Inspirion presented this as a concept but was rejected by the neighborhood design-review committee (although this may still be an active project since it is not in Inspirion's four-phase master plan shown in the previous post....

 

Pretty meh, design wise.

Well that's a pretty disappointing change :/

27 minutes ago, X said:

Pretty meh, design wise.

Anybody know what design review had to say today.  It is pretty bad.  While the previous design did have its faults, it was better than this.  

Quite a step down... 

This was the previous design.....
 

Although Inspirion presented this as a concept but was rejected by the neighborhood design-review committee (although this may still be an active project since it is not in Inspirion's four-phase master plan shown in the previous post....
 

This is not just a massing? I like how it fronts the sidewalk better that the other design

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9 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

This is not just a massing? I like how it fronts the sidewalk better that the other design

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I  guess so...the Planning Commission agenda states they are seeking conceptual approval.

LOL, it reminds me of one of those plastic boxes with small pull out drawers in which I store screws, nails, and bolts.  

...looks like a college dorm from the ‘60s 😐

I'm sorry, but this is just awful. It looks like a light industrial complex along Brookpark Rd., or in Independence or Solon. These can't be market rate.

 

The previous renderings were at least "Inspir"-ational."

Edited December 6, 20204 yr by Frmr CLEder

Even though the East 90th street apartments were on the Dec 4 Planning Commission agenda for conceptual approval,  I don't believe the presentation went forward.  Does anybody know why?

52 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Even though the East 90th street apartments were on the Dec 4 Planning Commission agenda for conceptual approval,  I don't believe the presentation went forward.  Does anybody know why?

 

No. I wondered as well. The apartment building on Clark also wasn't presented.

56 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Even though the East 90th street apartments were on the Dec 4 Planning Commission agenda for conceptual approval,  I don't believe the presentation went forward.  Does anybody know why?

 

too ugly.

Another apartment building planned for the neighborhood! This one is at 1865 E 93rd St. All I have is the design review case, no details or permits I could find.

https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3643&CASE=EC 2020-029

22 minutes ago, tykaps said:

Another apartment building planned for the neighborhood! This one is at 1865 E 93rd St. All I have is the design review case, no details or permits I could find.

https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3643&CASE=EC 2020-029

 

It's a pretty exciting project. The development team has promised to share more details with me when they are able.

I'm going to make a guess that it's going to take up the parking lots next door, but do you know how many houses they intend on taking out?

On 12/12/2020 at 10:37 AM, tykaps said:

Another apartment building planned for the neighborhood! This one is at 1865 E 93rd St. All I have is the design review case, no details or permits I could find.

https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3643&CASE=EC 2020-029

It's going to be a great project! Details will be rolling out over the next few days/weeks. 

Regarding the E 90th St apartments: new permits were uploaded for the demolition of 1832, 1838, 1844, 1861, 1862, and 1877 E 90th St. There was also a permit in June for 1893 and in August for 1878. These permits will demolish every apartment building on the block to make room for the new apartment project and its future phases.

5 hours ago, tykaps said:

Regarding the E 90th St apartments: new permits were uploaded for the demolition of 1832, 1838, 1844, 1861, 1862, and 1877 E 90th St. There was also a permit in June for 1893 and in August for 1878. These permits will demolish every apartment building on the block to make room for the new apartment project and its future phases.

Any idea why application for conceptual approval did not go forward at most recent planning commission meeting even though it was on the agenda?  Can demolition actually go forward without planning commission approval or a replacement approved?

25 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Any idea why application for conceptual approval did not go forward at most recent planning commission meeting even though it was on the agenda?  Can demolition actually go forward without planning commission approval or a replacement approved?

 

Answers: I don't know; yes.

17 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Answers: I don't know; yes.

@kjp...you indicated that demolition of these apartment buildings can go forward without planning commission approval.  I really don't know what the demo process is in the city so I am a bit confused by your answer simply because when streaming planning commission meetings I note that they are always approving the demo of buildings, even dilapidated single family homes.

1 minute ago, Htsguy said:

@kjp...you indicated that demolition of these apartment buildings can go forward without planning commission approval.  I really don't know what the demo process is in the city so I am a bit confused by your answer simply because when streaming planning commission meetings I note that they are always approving the demo of buildings, even dilapidated single family homes.

 

If the demo is in an historic district, Landmarks Commission approval is required. But you're right, I'm confused why Design-Review often has a large number of demolition requests on its dockets, while other times, there is no docket listing and a building gets a demolition permit. Sometimes I or @tykaps find them while sifting through recent Building Department applications. This was one such demo that we found while sifting through department filings that had no prior Planning Commission approval....

 

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/08/clinic-razing-historic-orca-house-with.html

In fact, @Htsguy, @tykaps and I just saw something come through that's going to raise some eyebrows. Stay tuned....

E. 90 St.  apartments back  on this Friday's City Planning Commission agenda for conceptual approval.  I am interested to see whether the developer's latest renderings are just site massings rather than the actual design (which I could have done with crayon and I have no imagination or talent) and what the response is.

 

Also note that E. 93 St.  apartments are also on the agenda so I guess we will finally get to see the proposed design.  I wish design review was also streamed so we could get an idea as to their thoughts before it get to the PC

 

Looks like the side streets off of Chester are becoming the new hot development spot.

While schematic approval was granted, East 90th Street apartments got a big "meh" at PC today.  I think the commission would have had a lot more to say (negatively) but they were rushed due to the huge agenda.  Developer kept throwing around words like "necessary cost cutting" and "work force housing" to justify the design.  Apparently they nixed structured parking because of the cost and now there is a huge surface lot in the back with a really poorly thought out amenity patio (just looks cheap and thrown together) in front of the back entrance.   Given the developers thought process I don't the design will change that much as it heads towards final approval.

 

East 93rd Street Apartments looked a lot better although it also just had surface parking in the rear.  Underground parking like you see on Van Aken in Shaker would work so much better (not to mention more secure for a neighborhood still in transition} but again I imagine now a days cost is an issue

While not the best, at least the parking is being put in the back. I could have easily seen them putting it out front or to the side and spin the "safety" argument.

I'll have an article with renderings about both of these projects and more. So much is happening in the Health Tech Corridor -- it's amazing. I had to do a map to make sense of everything.

Developers of East Side homes planning to use shipping containers

 

 

The container homes proposed for E. 73rd Street come in four styles: duplex, triplex, triplex with alternate facade and duplex compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2020/12/19/wrj-developers-using-shipping-containers-for-homes.html

 

Some noticeable new construction between Crawford and Chester on E.85th — west side of the street had 5 tightly packed new houses going up.   East side of the street has been cleared, so presumably something similar:

 

 

What is that... Build a house first and then insert the foundation?

8 minutes ago, KJP said:

What is that... Build a house first and then insert the foundation?

Lol....optical illusion. Definitely looks that way at first glance tho!

They dont appear to have basements though; only crawl spaces.

Edited December 21, 20204 yr by Frmr CLEder

20 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

They dont appear to have basements though; only crawl spaces.

I see a glass block window on the one. Probably separate contractors. One did the footers and poured wall basement foundation, another will probably come behind and do a cinder block front porch.

Should probably post these images of the Arpi Apartments, 1865 West 93rd, from my latest article......

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/12/health-tech-corridor-to-see-busier-2021.html

 

 

I like those.  I like the scale- dense, but still human scale.  Balconies and front doors for the ground floor units- very nice.

11 minutes ago, X said:

I like those.  I like the scale- dense, but still human scale.  Balconies and front doors for the ground floor units- very nice.

I’m all for a balcony mandate for multi family projects, in exchange for tax abatement.

It's interesting to see these new apartment developments going into these areas. I remember the apartments that were in the area in the 60s - 70s. Even though they would now be 60 years old, these are such a dramatic improvement over their predecessors.

Edited December 22, 20204 yr by Frmr CLEder

I like the design and scale. These would fit in well on many residential streets in the urban core and inner-ring suburbs.

16 minutes ago, freefourur said:

I like the design and scale. These would fit in well on many residential streets in the urban core and inner-ring suburbs.

Yeah, these look really good. Though the trees are on the wrong side of the sidewalk. This city really needs to understand the meaning of “tree lawn”.

8 minutes ago, marty15 said:

“tree lawn”.

Funny, I haven't heard that term used since I left Cleveland 30 years ago.

59 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Funny, I haven't heard that term used since I left Cleveland 30 years ago.

 

In Akron, it's a Devil Strip.

 

1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said:

It's interesting to see these new apartment developments going into these areas. I remember the apartments that were in the area in the 60s - 70s. Even though they would now be 60 years old, these are such a dramatic improvement over their predecessors.

 

Funny you should say that. Look what's next to the proposed apartment building (BTW -- not sure what the story is with stunted ghost of a lightpost)......

 

Another image.....

 

The old house that would be coming down for this is massive! I love what another poster linked above where a house was attractively renovated into multiple apartments. That's unique stuff that you can't find in newer sunbelt cities. I wish this one could be saved and see the same type of reno, but alas, it looks pretty far gone. Ultimately, I think what replaces it is better in the long run. I do think we will see more of these grand old homes come down for apartments as people start to invest in Hough more. I am pro reno all the way, but I understand the endeavor to take on something like that. Now if they could leave the historic mansions and tear down the newer mcmansions for apartments, then hell yes all the way

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

In Akron, it's a Devil Strip.

 

 

Funny you should say that. Look what's next to the proposed apartment building (BTW -- not sure what the story is with stunted ghost of a lightpost)......

 

Another image.....

 

This looks like it was built in the 60's or 70's. Glad this is next door vs the house that looks like it should be a Fire Engine Company.

 

Some streets in the Hough neighborhood used to have apartment buildings that were probably built in the 30s or 40s. They were brick buildings, some with large porches/balconies.

Edited December 22, 20204 yr by Frmr CLEder

Don't want to spin this thread way off topic but funny story...was in a freshmen English class at Miami Univ.  (probably before many of you were born) and we having a discussion about regional dialects and terms.  The prof asked how many people were from Cleveland and about 8 of raised our hands.  She then asked the class what a "tree lawn" was and all of us Clevelanders gave her and each other these funny looks, like she had asked us who George Washington was.  The thing is the rest of the class didn't have a clue.  

11 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

This looks like it was built in the 60's or 70's.

 

Some streets in the Hough neighborhood used to have apartment buildings that were probably built in the 30s or 40s. They were brick buildings, some with large porches/balconies.

 

That small apartment building next to proposed building was built in 1962. So you're correct, some of the apartment buildings look like they were built 60 years ago.

 

Most of the more elegant brick apartment buildings in Hough were built from 1890-1930.

8 hours ago, KJP said:

Most of the more elegant brick apartment buildings in Hough were built from 1890-1930

Yes, those are the ones of my childhood memories. Not sure if any of them still exist anymore.

3 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Yes, those are the ones of my childhood memories. Not sure if any of them still exist anymore.

 

Quite a few. But diminishing in number rapidly.

17 hours ago, KJP said:

Should probably post these images of the Arpi Apartments, 1865 West 93rd, from my latest article......

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/12/health-tech-corridor-to-see-busier-2021.html

 

 

Great article, as always, KJP, thanks!  Let's hope all of that gets built--would be so great for Hough. This part in bold stood out to me:

 

"Behind it, on East 90th, Apri Development proposes a second phase that could offer 118 apartments divided among three new buildings with parking behind them. Five residences are proposed to be demolished. Three of them, all built in 2007, are vacant and in the city's land bank."

 

Plenty of old, vacant units in Hough---but these are new--2007--why are they vacant? Just the economy? Crappy quality?

3 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

Great article, as always, KJP, thanks!  Let's hope all of that gets built--would be so great for Hough. This part in bold stood out to me:

 

"Behind it, on East 90th, Apri Development proposes a second phase that could offer 118 apartments divided among three new buildings with parking behind them. Five residences are proposed to be demolished. Three of them, all built in 2007, are vacant and in the city's land bank."

 

Plenty of old, vacant units in Hough---but these are new--2007--why are they vacant? Just the economy? Crappy quality?

 

No idea. It was a surprise to me too.