1 minute ago, KJP said:

 

To be fair, putting high-rise housing north of First Energy Stadium is prevented by Burke.

 

Good thing we have plenty of parking lots to fill in before we worry about building high rises on an active port next to a building that is used 10-12 days a year.   Who would want to live there? ?

Just now, KJP said:

To be fair, putting high-rise housing north of First Energy Stadium is prevented by Burke.

 

True I admit. Though I'd contend the economics in the region will prevent high rises on the lakefront anyway.

4 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

To be fair, putting high-rise housing north of First Energy Stadium is prevented by Burke.

Im good with the mid rises currently being presented for that area based on the current demand.

39 minutes ago, B767PILOT said:

That was 2002. And by the way, did the FAA disclose what the conditions precedent would be to not be wedded?  

Yes. The city has to fulfill the terms of the grant or give back a prorated portion, show a decline in traffic and have alternative reliever airports available.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

...Among airports with a minimum 5,300-foot-long runways that can handle your namesake aircraft @B767PILOT per https://community.infiniteflight.com/t/list-of-aircraft-runway-requirements/107832 , we have three airports in Cuyahoga County, two in Summit County (a third, KSU, is 4,000'), one in Lake County, and one in Trumbull County. That's seven airports within a 1-hour drive of downtown Cleveland. Seven...

 

What? Are you talking about landing requirements (vs. takeoff?)  You're certainly not going to see 767 departures at any of the above except Hopkins--and maybe CAK.  Even Hopkins can't handle all 767 types under all conditions/engine types and CAK's longest runway is 1700 feet shorter than CLE's longest.  Engine type, takeoff weight, gradient, weather --all affect runway requirements---and elevation. At MTOW, add another 1,000 feet of runway required per 2,000 feet elevation--roughly.  So no simple chart can give you a number a simple "5,300 feet number".  CLE is about 780 feet elevation (it depends on the runway) and CAK is about 1,200 feet. The higher you are the more runway you need.  (Denver is 5320 feet).  Here is one of MANY requirements profiles for the 763--from Boeing itself.

 

 

 

I don't know what will happen in the future. Neither does anyone else. But a group of committed people can certainly shape the future, because they do so regularly.

30 minutes ago, KJP said:

I don't know what will happen in the future. Neither does anyone else. But a group of committed people can certainly shape the future, because they do so regularly.

I dont either and I actually hope that Burke can be used for other purposes. The key is to prove to the FAA that a viable alternative exists; or, can be made viable.  It's not the Grant money. It's the pavement and facilities. 

49 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

What? Are you talking about landing requirements (vs. takeoff?)  You're certainly not going to see 767 departures at any of the above except Hopkins--and maybe CAK.  Even Hopkins can't handle all 767 types under all conditions/engine types and CAK's longest runway is 1700 feet shorter than CLE's longest.  Engine type, takeoff weight, gradient, weather --all affect runway requirements---and elevation. At MTOW, add another 1,000 feet of runway required per 2,000 feet elevation--roughly.  So no simple chart can give you a number a simple "5,300 feet number".  CLE is about 780 feet elevation (it depends on the runway) and CAK is about 1,200 feet. The higher you are the more runway you need.  (Denver is 5320 feet).  Here is one of MANY requirements profiles for the 763--from Boeing itself.

 

 

 

I assure you Hopkins can handle any B767.  If you extrapolate from that graph, at max takeoff weight it needs about 3,200 feet of runway to take off on a standard day.   The longest at CLE is just under 10,000 feet.  

51 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

What? Are you talking about landing requirements (vs. takeoff?)  You're certainly not going to see 767 departures at any of the above except Hopkins--and maybe CAK.  Even Hopkins can't handle all 767 types under all conditions/engine types and CAK's longest runway is 1700 feet shorter than CLE's longest.  Engine type, takeoff weight, gradient, weather --all affect runway requirements---and elevation. At MTOW, add another 1,000 feet of runway required per 2,000 feet elevation--roughly.  So no simple chart can give you a number a simple "5,300 feet number".  CLE is about 780 feet elevation (it depends on the runway) and CAK is about 1,200 feet. The higher you are the more runway you need.  (Denver is 5320 feet).  Here is one of MANY requirements profiles for the 763--from Boeing itself.

 

 

 

Thank you. I fly the B763. 

1 minute ago, B767PILOT said:

Thank you. I fly the B763. 

 

2 minutes ago, B767PILOT said:

Thank you. I fly the B763. 

This is density altitude

3 hours ago, Cleburger said:

I assure you Hopkins can handle any B767.  If you extrapolate from that graph, at max takeoff weight it needs about 3,200 feet of runway to take off on a standard day.   The longest at CLE is just under 10,000 feet.  

I'll take a look at that. We dont fly the 767 to CLE - maybe a sports charter. UA definitely has diversions to CLE

3 hours ago, Cleburger said:

I assure you Hopkins can handle any B767.  If you extrapolate from that graph, at max takeoff weight it needs about 3,200 feet of runway to take off on a standard day.   The longest at CLE is just under 10,000 feet.  

 

And so can all of the seven NE Ohio airports I mentioned, even if the support facilities are inadequate. But that's easier to address than runway length.

Edited September 9, 20195 yr by KJP

CLE has handled 767s, yes. Diversions and some charter service. I think Sun Airways operations to PUJ were old 767s. There are currently no scheduled operations (Part 121) with them--for pax or freight--at Hopkins. And a lightly loaded 763 AT SEA LEVEL may be able to depart in 3200 feet a but that's WAY too short for safe/permitted operations and no airport with such a runway in a normal circumstance (non-emergency) would be permitted to operate a passenger service with such a runway. Certainly not in the US. See the graphic--based on government FARs that I posted a few posts above. In summary, there are NOT seven airports in NEO--not even sure which ones you're thinking of. CLE yes. But not likely for CAK/BKL. Definitely not for Medina or Lost Nation or Akron Fulton or Cuyahoga County or anything else in the region.

Edited September 9, 20195 yr by Pugu

24 minutes ago, Pugu said:

CLE has handled 767s, yes. Diversions and some charter service. I think Sun Airways operations to PUJ were old 767s. There are currently no scheduled operations (Part 121) with them--for pax or freight--at Hopkins. And a lightly loaded 763 AT SEA LEVEL may be able to depart in 3200 feet a but that's WAY too short for safe/permitted operations and no airport with such a runway in a normal circumstance (non-emergency) would be permitted to operate a passenger service with such a runway. Certainly not in the US. See the graphic--based on government FARs that I posted a few posts above. In summary, there are NOT seven airports in NEO--not even sure which ones you're thinking of. CLE yes. But not likely for CAK/BKL. Definitely not for Medina or Lost Nation or Akron Fulton or Cuyahoga County or anything else in the region.

 

Look at the graph--it's 3200 feet at maximum takeoff weight, on a standard temperature day.    On warmer days it would require more runway due to density altitude, but that's an entirely different discussion, and still not a factor at CLE. 

 

The point of this is discussion is silly anyway.  You're never going to land a B767 at County, true.  But the point of reliever airports is to take traffic away from the main airport.  This means the Cleveland Clinic jets and rotary wing aircraft.  University Hospitals and CPD helicopters.  News organizations.   GA and flight school aircraft.   If you cut down on the clutter at the main airport, safety is increased for everyone.  

Do you know how big a 767 is? At MTOW, you need far more than 3200 feet even at 0 feet elevation. Look at the graph---at sea level at max weight, you need 9500 feet of capacity (you may lift off before then, but should have that much concrete available). MTOW is the dashed vertical line on the chart--it may be hard to read, I know.

NE Ohio Airport -- longest runway -- highest land elevation along that runway

 

Akron-Canton Regional -- 8,600' -- 1,230'

Akron Municipal -- 6,300' -- 1,070'

Cleveland Burke -- 7,000' -- 580'

Cleveland Hopkins -- 11,000' -- 785'

Cuyahoga County -- 6,050' -- 880'

Lost Nation -- 5,500' -- 625'

Youngstown-Warren Regional -- 9,300'  -- 1,185'

5 minutes ago, Pugu said:

Do you know how big a 767 is? At MTOW, you need far more than 3200 feet even at 0 feet elevation. Look at the graph---at sea level at max weight, you need 9500 feet of capacity (you may lift off before then, but should have that much concrete available). MTOW is the dashed vertical line on the chart--it may be hard to read, I know.

It's not only runway length but also loading on the surface.  Will the surface of the runway, taxiway and tarmac support the weight of the aircraft?  Also, are the runways and taxiways wide enough. There's a lot of different variables

In terms of environmental clearances, I presume it would be easier to thicken an existing runway and existing taxiways/aprons/tarmacs than it would be to lengthen/expand these?

 

Again, I'm not saying we would be landing 767s at these smaller airports. I used that only because it is your screen name, and I was attempting to be clever with it, though probably with little/no success. ? As @Cleburger notes, it would be interesting to see what the existing airports "might" be able to handle given some improvements that wouldn't expand their physical footprints much, if at all.

Edited September 9, 20195 yr by KJP

It's not only runway length but also loading on the surface.  Will the surface of the runway, taxiway and tarmac support the weight of the aircraft?  Also, are the runways and taxiways wide enough. There's a lot of different variables.

 

 

Exactly. Hence probably only CLE can handle them. Maybe CAK. But definitely not Lost Nation, Medina, CGF, and the like...

Edited September 9, 20195 yr by Pugu

To me a park is the only feasible alternative use for the land as it stands.  Utterly cut off by the shoreway - imagine a far worse version of Edgewater's predicament , because there are more lanes of highway to traverse, some of it Interstate, and there's virtually no neighborhood to speak of to connect it to anyway.  I don't propose shutting the airport down in favor of building a park without some idea of how much it costs, but I'm supposing the cheapest scenario would be a larger version of the Cleveland Lakefront Nature Preserve (Dike 14), which would be somewhat welcome. Dike 14 is relatively small, with around a 1.5 mile perimeter trail and some rather short connecting trails within. An equivalent "back-to-nature" park at Burke would provide a decent 4.5-ish mile perimeter trail and I'm sure several connecting trails... although the south edge of the perimeter would be highly miserable going as you take in the scenic views of I-90 and North Marginal.   It being an airport and all, starting from literally no vegetation aside from grass and weeds on most of the land and imperceptible elevation changes, it would take a decade or two for the entire thing to be anything but a boring, scorching wasteland in summertime, outside of the north lake edge and some skyline views at the northwest corner.  This would be the lowest-cost option and it makes sense to me as I said above -  There certainly would be some value in having such a large park near downtown, though again it would be exclusively accessible by car and bike.  

 

But does anyone want to start a pool, number of times this thread will be temporarily locked before the terminal doors at Burke are permanently locked?  

 

CT's agenda, such as it is, is comically erratic. "Close Burke, develop the land, it will be a ginormous economic engine."   Then, "Close it, it's gonna be a park", and also "Well, just close it and see what happens." All over a lousy 1.3 million in operating cost while he posts photos of well manicured parklands and ignores questions of how much it might cost to develop and maintain them.  

 

If there were nothing there today, would we put an airport there? No.  But I suggest you keep incessantly bleating about it on this forum, you are really winning over hearts and minds here. ?

Edited September 10, 20195 yr by PittsburgoDelendaEst

I've said it before upthread....we all know Burke isn't going to close anytime soon.  Maybe the best way to play it is to have a little of both--keep the airport and put in a greenway for lake access around the outside perimeter.  Bike/walking path along with benches to sit and watch the water (or airplanes landing).   This would take some major lobbying of the FAA to pull it off, but not as much as it would take to close the airport entirely.  

 

Anyone know why several Air Force C-130s landed a couple of days ago at Burke. One arrived a couple of days before the others and stayed on the tarmac.

 

A show of force to convince Canada not to invade?? 

14 hours ago, KJP said:

Anyone know why several Air Force C-130s landed a couple of days ago at Burke. One arrived a couple of days before the others and stayed on the tarmac.

 

A show of force to convince Canada not to invade?? 

 

I see them there from time to time.   They are usually ANG training flights out of Niagara Falls. 

I think we all agree BKL isn't going anywhere soon, if ever. If there was a concerted closure effort that started today, it would take 20 years to come to fruition. With landlocked CLE undergoing its master planning initiative, is there an opportunity to shift some of the commuter air traffic from CLE to BKL?

Edited February 17, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder

It seems our Burke Lakefront Airport thread disappeared.  It looks like someone had changed it from "Burke Lakefront Airport" to "Burke Lakefront Airport - Ideas for Alternative Use".  What about topics about the airport itself (plans, funding, operations, etc.) and services and investments there?  Its an open and operating airport with NO PLANS for closure, so changing the topic from Airport to Ideas for Alternative Use is not appropriate. I remember seeing the "Burke Lakefront Airport - Ideas for Alternative Use" topic and its lively conversation at one time, which is fine. But it should not REPLACE the main "Burke Lakefront Airport" thread.

With the Cliff's acquisition of AK Steel and with the latter's large Middletown works to continue operations, but likely AK Steel HQ staff moving to CLE, we may see increased demand for Cleveland-Cincinnati traffic, meaning more pax demand on Ultimate Air's BKL-Lunken services.

Honestly, I think the we would see Delta or United express service come in, before significant increase on Ultimate Air. I would even throw in Southwest before more flights at Burke.

Edited December 8, 20195 yr by MyTwoSense

Speaking of Southwest, they initially thought of using Burke as their Cleveland airport. In fact it was very close to being done

On 12/7/2019 at 9:23 PM, B767PILOT said:

Speaking of Southwest, they initially thought of using Burke as their Cleveland airport. In fact it was very close to being done

 

Funny you say that, I was in a meeting yesterday and just off the cuff we were discussing something like this - making BKL an airport specific to one airline - and SW came up with LUV field, as well as other cities that operate two airports. It kind of is unnecessary without being a hub but at the same time, it wouldn't be a terrible idea either (granted the cost of getting BKL to spec would probably be cost more than it's worth).

1 hour ago, GISguy said:

 

Funny you say that, I was in a meeting yesterday and just off the cuff we were discussing something like this - making BKL an airport specific to one airline - and SW came up with LUV field, as well as other cities that operate two airports. It kind of is unnecessary without being a hub but at the same time, it wouldn't be a terrible idea either (granted the cost of getting BKL to spec would probably be cost more than it's worth).

 

I wonder if an airline like Allegiant would make more sense at BKL. Allegiant loves using secondary airports. They even do it in Columbus, flying out of LCK instead of CMH. 

 

BKL wouldn't even need to be a hub for Allegiant for it to potentially make sense. LCK isn't an Allegiant hub and Allegiant only runs a few more flights from Columbus than they do from Cleveland. 

1 minute ago, cbussoccer said:

 

I wonder if an airline like Allegiant would make more sense at BKL. Allegiant loves using secondary airports. They even do it in Columbus, flying out of LCK instead of CMH. 

 

BKL wouldn't even need to be a hub for Allegiant for it to potentially make sense. LCK isn't an Allegiant hub and Allegiant only runs a few more flights from Columbus than they do from Cleveland. 

Ironically, if Allegiant did this it would be one of their most convenient airports in terms of access to cities. I'd fly them more if they had slightly more convenient locations. Regardless, that's a really good point.

Ultimate Air's most popular route is Cleveland-Cinci--BKL-LUK.  They are adding a 3rd daily frequency effective March 16.

 

This is the new flight:

Departs Lunken: 11:45 a.m.
Arrives Cleveland: 12:40 p.m.
Departs Cleveland: 1:10 p.m.
Arrives Lunken: 2:05 p.m.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/02/07/ultimate-air-adds-new-nonstop-at-lunken-expands.html

Is it true that DL no longer offers non-stop CVG to CLE?  They used to offer Delta Express/Comair flights.

DL and CO both served CVG-CLE when each had a hub in CVG and CLE, respectively.  With both hubs gone, so too are those flights. Ultimate Air is the only nonstop between the two cities. I've taken it and its a great service. Fly it and you'll see the great value of BKL.

56 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Is it true that DL no longer offers non-stop CVG to CLE?  They used to offer Delta Express/Comair flights.

Yes it sucks that both Delta and United ended the route. Use to fly it often for my first job. My current job won't approve the Ultimate pricing so I either drive or make a connection in Detroit or Chicago

47 minutes ago, savadams13 said:

Yes it sucks that both Delta and United ended the route. Use to fly it often for my first job. My current job won't approve the Ultimate pricing so I either drive or make a connection in Detroit or Chicago

 

Pennywise and pound foolish----is your cheap company making you travel on your own time? otherwise it doesn't make sense to spend an extra 6-9 hours roundtrip for Cleveland-Cinci to save, what,  $120-$130? Either they don't respect its employees time (and quality of life) or they lack an understanding of the value of company time and productivity. Or maybe just an incompetent bean counter.

 

UltimateAir - $428 roundtrip---50minutes roundtrip

Driving:  500 miles on CLE-CINCI x 57.5 cents/mile IRS rate = $288.   7.5 hours on the road roundtrip.   

Connecting--maybe costs $300, door to door with connection assuming NO delays - approx 8-10 hours roundrip

 

 

7 hours ago, Pugu said:

Ultimate Air's most popular route is Cleveland-Cinci--BKL-LUK.  They are adding a 3rd daily frequency effective March 16.

 

This is the new flight:

Departs Lunken: 11:45 a.m.
Arrives Cleveland: 12:40 p.m.
Departs Cleveland: 1:10 p.m.
Arrives Lunken: 2:05 p.m.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/02/07/ultimate-air-adds-new-nonstop-at-lunken-expands.html

 

Just saw that. Sold-out conditions at $478 RT!! When I flew it BKL-LUK-BKL for a day trip in 2016, it was about $370. And it was one of the best customer service experiences I've had flying.

 

But $478? Bring on the 3C trains! ? 

13 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

Pennywise and pound foolish----is your cheap company making you travel on your own time? otherwise it doesn't make sense to spend an extra 6-9 hours roundtrip for Cleveland-Cinci to save, what,  $120-$130? Either they don't respect its employees time (and quality of life) or they lack an understanding of the value of company time and productivity. Or maybe just an incompetent bean counter.

 

UltimateAir - $428 roundtrip---50minutes roundtrip

Driving:  500 miles on CLE-CINCI x 57.5 cents/mile IRS rate = $288.   7.5 hours on the road roundtrip.   

Connecting--maybe costs $300, door to door with connection assuming NO delays - approx 8-10 hours roundrip

 

 

There is always a bean counter not looking beyond just what's in front of them, I don't work with the smartest administration staff...

Ultimate Air sent out an e-mail today about the addition of the new mid-day round trip between Cleveland and Cincinnati....

 

Ultimate Air Shuttle is excited to announce our expansion between Cincinnati and Cleveland beginning March 16, 2020! We will offer non-stop mid-day service between Lunken Airport (LUK) and Burke Lakefront Airport (BKL). 

The additional departure time will be 11:45 a.m. from LUK, arriving at BKL at 12:40 p.m.  The additional departure time from BKL will be 1:10 p.m., arriving at LUK at 2:10 p.m. To view the full Cleveland schedule, click here. 

We are also excited to announce direct service between Cincinnati and Nashville as our newest destination beginning on March 16, 2020! We will offer nonstop flights Monday through Friday between Cincinnati and Nashville for $274 each way. To view the Nashville schedule, click here.

To view all of our destinations and schedules, please click here.

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3 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said:

This is something to keep an eye on.  Per this article, JetBlue founder David Neeleman's new startup. Breeze Airways will start flying in 2020 with a strategy to run 118 seat E195's between cities that have suffered abandonment from the majors.  Like Allegiant, they want to serve secondary airports in the larger markets, and one of those secondary airports on the list was (wait for it, wait for it) BKL (Burke Lakefront in Cleveland).  LOL, so don't close BKL just yet, hehe.  This is similar to a model Neeleman used in Brazil with AZUL airlines (busy guy).

 

Later , they intend to acquire and fly larger A220-300's, which are fuel efficient and have a "bodacious" range.

 

Excerpted from the article:

 

According to the reports, “On a map of prospective routes, it shows Providence flights to Allegiant-like airports in Florida (i.e., Orlando Sanford and St. Petersburg) and California (i.e., Oakland, San Jose, Contra Costa, Orange County, Burbank, Ontario and McClellan-Palomar, north of San Diego). Other dots from Providence include Phoenix Mesa, Rocky Mountain Airport near Denver, Concord near Charlotte, Fort Worth’s Meacham Airport and Burke Lakefront Airport in Cleveland. Aside from Providence, other northeast region airports of interest to Moxy include Baltimore, Trenton, Stewart (halfway between New York City and Albany) and Republic Airport in eastern Long Island."

 

   

https://www.golocalprov.com/business/Newly-Announced-Breeze-Airline-By-Founder-of-JetBlue-Could-Be-Coming-to-P

 

 

 

It's almost as if the above post belongs in this thread, rather than the Hopkins thread. ?

It does and this could be the beginning of a boom for BKL. If, as others have stated regarding CLE, DL and AA have eliminated non-stops to CVG, this sure beats a 5 1/2 hour drive. There is no other reliable service, including trains.

Edited February 16, 20205 yr by Frmr CLEder

 

FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 21, 2020

Burke Lakefront Airport ready for take off

 

When closet urban planners consider open land for development in Cleveland, their attention often is directed at Burke Lakefront Airport. That isn't the only thing they direct at Burke. They also direct ridicule, scorn and even outright hatred for that 450-acre plot of former lakefront landfill that opened as an airport in 1948.

The reasons are many: Burke flight operations are down to fewer than 100 flights per day on average, a 60 percent drop compared to 20 years ago. It costs the city several million dollars per year to keep Burke open and operating. And its service as a reliever airport for Hopkins International Airport isn't justified when Hopkins' flight operations are down to a daily average of 350 flights vs. 500 in 2013 -- the last year of United Airlines' hub operation here.

That has led some to suggest reimbursing the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) for roughly $10 million in capital improvements made at Burke in the 21st century and closing down the airport. Then the airport could be repurposed with a mix of real estate developments and public parks along Cleveland's most precious natural resource.

But what if someone wanted to actually use Burke for, say, an airport?

It's starting to happen with more air operations planned.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/02/burke-lakefront-airport-ready-for-take.html

 

If Allegiant also wants to play ball at Burke, it could be a pretty decent spot/shot in the arm that it needs.

In other words, Burke isn't going anywhere -- not with new airline services coming in and now this....

 

Agenda for March 6, 2020

 

Ordinance No. 264-2020(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack): Determining the method of making the public improvement of rehabilitating taxiways Bravo, Echo, and Foxtrot at Burke Lakefront Airport: authorizing the Director of Port Control to enter into one or more public improvement contracts for the making of the Improvement; and authorizing the director to employ one or more professional consultants necessary to design the Improvement.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2020/03062020/index.php

As noted at another website, Ultimate Shuttle to Cincinnati had been doing very nicely with Cleveland Burke - Cincinnati Lunken air service:

 

Ultimate Air Shuttle Passengers - BKL (Enplaned and Deplaned)

2015: 2,381
2016: 16,231
2017: 20,625
2018: 22,160
2019: 22,590

 

Based on two roundtrips a day and 200 days operation with a 30 passenger aircraft, 2019 had about a 94% load factor. With the virus, service ended.

 

https://www.burkeairport.com/about/facts-figures

 

 

Spirit is adding Hopkins-EWR starting in July--in what is Sprit's only new route add in July.  This is good news as CO/UA has had a monopoly on the route for years and this should bring prices down on CLE-NYC.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2020/06/spirit-airlines-adding-new-cleveland-to-newark-route-will-take-on-united-in-new-york-city-region.html

 

 

(I am writing this here because the Hopkins Airport thread is locked. "Locking" a thread seems like a strange way to deal with a perceived issue as it prevents legitimate posts from being made. The other day, I was going to add to the conversation on the Hopkins thread where I thought something inappropriate was said. Instead I couldn't--and no one can. And now I can't post a new route for the city, despite the global pandemic and traffic down 95%.)

Dear Ultimate Customer,

We are excited to announce that Ultimate Air Shuttle is entering Phase 1 of our restart! Beginning on 7-20-20, we will resume flights between Cincinnati and Cleveland with two round trips per day. Click here to view the schedule. Keep an eye out for additional updates regarding the reopening of more routes.

As we resume flights, we're adhering to CDC guidelines by making the following updates: 

Personnel and crew members will have their temperatures checked each day

Upon check in, all passengers will have their temperatures checked and answer a brief health questionnaire

Employees will be wearing face coverings in the facilities and on the aircraft

We recommended and ask that everyone, including customers, wear face coverings while inside our facilities. Face coverings will be mandatory when aboard the aircraft. 

New flooring has been installed in our Cincinnati facility

Social distancing will be in place for both onboard the aircraft and in all facilities

Customers are now able to select a seat on the aircraft if they so choose. Those who select a seat while booking their trip will get priority boarding to follow social distancing guidelines. This will be followed by open boarding. 

We will implement no-touch ID checks

No coffee or snacks will be available in the lounge, but customers may bring their own

Additional PPE will be used by crew members, including shields added to podiums

We will be implementing new cleaning procedures for all aircraft, lounges, and vans

Protocols will be reviewed every 30 days to ensure standards are being met.

We are so excited to welcome our passenger aboard again. See you soon!  
 
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Responding from the Cleveland Lakefront Development thread...

 

14 minutes ago, skiwest said:

Yes, I agree. Burke definitely needs to go.  Cleveland does not need two underutilized airports.  

 

Yes, according to FAA regulations, it does. Every major metro's principal airport must have a reliever airport to accommodate general aviation and keep it separate as much as possible from commercial aircraft. Of the four reliever airports to Hopkins (Burke, Cuyahoga County, Lost Nation, Lorain County), Burke is Cleveland's primary reliever airport and far exceeds the other airports in terms of facilities and capabilities. Consider:

 

NOACA states that Burke is the primary reliever for Hopkins, due to its location in downtown. Both of Burke's runways are longer than those of any of the other 4 reliever airports. Burke's primary runway is 6,198 feet long, and its secondary is 5,200 feet. Cuyahoga County's longest is 5,101 feet, while Lost Nation's longest is 5,013 feet. Cuyahoga County has only one runway, as does Lorain. The other 3 have two runways each. Burke has much more itinerant ramp area than the other 4 reliever airports (Burke's 60,000 square yards vs. Cuyahoga County's 46,680), and parking (Burke's 750 spaces vs. 250 at Cuyahoga County). Burke's terminal building is also far larger than any other (67,000 square feet vs. 6,000 square feet at Cuyahoga County). However, Burke has only the fourth largest amount of hangar space compared to the other 4 airports-37,665 square feet, vs. 150,326 at Cuyahoga County, 137,385 at Lost Nation, and 41,000 at Lorain.

http://levin.urban.csuohio.edu/academics/graduate/mupdd/mupdd_capstone03/studentwork/limmerb.html

 

So until one of the other reliever airports is upgraded with facilities and capabilities that are at least equal to that of Burke, I would be very surprised if the FAA would allow the city to close Burke.

I wonder if CAK could be designated as a reliever for CLE or is it too far away?

9 minutes ago, skiwest said:

I wonder if CAK could be designated as a reliever for CLE or is it too far away?

Akron Fulton seems like it would be more appropriate - its aerial distance is almost the same as Lost Nation from CLE (both around ~30 miles vs ~40 for CAK) and doesn't have the scheduled commercial service that CAK has. That being said, Summit County is not part of the same MPO - it is part of AMATS rather than NOACA.

Edited August 28, 20204 yr by infrafreak