I think burkes land can be developed with the new resdential streets used as the course for the grand prix.  Sound familiar?

What to do with Burke?

Its past as landfill complicates future

Monday, April 23, 2007

Joan Mazzolini

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

The vast expanse of land that makes up Burke Lakefront Airport has tantalized residents for decades as the last, best hope to give Cleveland a real lakefront, akin to Chicago, Milwaukee or Toronto.

 

 

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BY THE END OF THE YEAR THE FATE OF BURKE

LAKEFRONT AIRPORT SHOULD BE KNOWN

Long Anticipated Master Plan Process Has Begun

 

Cleveland, May 16, 2007 – Cleveland Airport System officials have taken the next step in determining the future of Burke Lakefront Airport (BKL) by hiring the firm of Landrum & Brown to develop a master plan for Northeast Ohio’s premier general aviation facility.

The master plan, which Mayor Frank G. Jackson tasked Ricky Smith, Director of the Airport System to develop, will examine the role that BKL serves in Northeast Ohio and determine options for future redevelopment and realignment of its aeronautical infrastructure.

 

“Burke Lakefront Airport and its surrounding property will play a direct role in the future of Cleveland,” said Mayor Jackson. “By developing a master plan, we will identify our opportunities and have a strategy in place to take advantage of them.”

“We have tasked the consultant with a comprehensive eight-point list which will address the impact of the airport both in the industry and within the Northeast Ohio community,” said Director Smith. “The future of Burke impacts everyone living in Northeast Ohio, therefore, we feel strongly that everyone should have the opportunity to stay informed and share in the process.”

 

The consultant will conduct a comparative review of roles and capabilities of general aviation airports in the region, a market assessment, a feasibility study, and an airport master plan update, which will be submitted to the FAA. Stakeholder workshops will be held throughout this process to provide information and an opportunity for interested parties to include their input and comments.

 

Burke Lakefront Airport serves both general and corporate aviation activity and is the home of the Cleveland National Air Show and the Cleveland Grand Prix. Several world-class, fixed-base operators call Burke Lakefront Airport home. As Cleveland’s premier general aviation facility, BKL handles air traffic for the downtown and adjacent areas. Many sports teams, along with nationally recognized performers and artists, utilize the airport due to its proximity to many of Cleveland’s sporting and cultural venues. BKL also supports charter, cargo and airfreight operations.

 

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<<I'm posting this response here to a discussion about the Stark/Pesht project at http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php?topic=2591.msg188068#msg188068 >>

 

Here's a stat that was thrown at me when researching the article, though I couldn't find a way to work it into the article without it sounding forced or making the article REEALLY long...

 

Of the 85,000 takeoffs/landings last year at Burke, 82,000 were test/recreational flights. The remaining 3,000 flights were for Federal Reserve Bank shipments, sports teams, and traffic helicopters (the latter accounted for one-third of all flights).

 

The FAA wants a reliever, safety valve airport for Hopkins. How that would shake out remains to be seen. There is some discussion of keeping a minor airport presence as part of a relocated water port facility.

What about the county airport in Richmond Hts?  Could that be the reliever?  What is the reliever during the Grand Prix?

What about the county airport in Richmond Hts?  Could that be the reliever?  What is the reliever during the Grand Prix?

 

I was thinking the same thing.  We don't have another airport in the county to use. 

 

Not an expert, but I would think that its too far out to be convenient for the Federal government, I see them using Hopkins.  I cant see business owners or teams going out to Richmond Hts to land, when Hopkins would be more convenient and in case of inclement weather or delays, as Hopkins has the resources to handle any problems.

 

I would think the city would raise landing fees at Hopkins for corporate, leisure and government flights. 

This is quite a convoluted mess.  One group of people are talking about lake access another group of people are saying that the port will relocate to Burke.  Well if thats where the Port locates to wouldn't that open up access to the lake where the port currently resides?

 

The real issues here are needing to know how much land the port needs in 10-20 years plus anticipating what aviation travel will be like in 10-20 years.  Could the port operate at multiple smaller sites? 

 

Personally I'd say move whatever operations can move to Burke from the Port Authority without the need to close down Burke.  As more space is need add more land via the lake.

It would be a unique intermodal hub to have air, water, rail and highway all at a single port facility. I don't know of another that combines all four major modes of transportation at one location. Offers some interesting possibilities for linking up the modes!

What about the county airport in Richmond Hts?  Could that be the reliever?  What is the reliever during the Grand Prix?

 

I certainly think it could be the reliever for the test/recreational flights, 96% of Burke's volume.

^^Thats a nice big idea KJP!  Intermodal airports certainly seem to be pretty trendy since Columbus is working on one.  The only link I can think of with water and air modes would be to use the aviation facilities for Customs for the ferry service to Canada.  Thats probably not a big deal though.  Irregardless, the Port Authority should be working on an intermodal port for trucking, rail, and lake whether or not Burke airport is practical or not to participate in the foreseeable future.

The Cuyahoga County Airport, by automobile, is only about 4-5 minutes farther from downtown Cleveland than Hopkins. This is 2,000 flights a year, an average of 5 and a half a day, if you discount the traffic helicopters.

 

Just looking at the land in question it just makes more sense to develop the port's existing land.  It can be much easier connected to the rest of the city than Burke, which lays behind an interstate highway.

 

From the article by KJP:

 

an idea gaining greater favor is relocating the port to city-owned Burke Lakefront Airport or possibly Dike 14 near Gordon Park

 

That's more interesting because you can then keep Burke.  There seems to be a lot of land at the Burke site, though.  Would be nice to see a creative solution for that land that helps allow Pesht to become a reality as well.

 

The Cuyahoga County Airport, by automobile, is only about 4-5 minutes farther from downtown Cleveland than Hopkins.

 

I disagree.  My cousin, for some un godly reason, looked at a house in Richmond Hts. damn near infront of the airport.  Id say more like 10-15 minute difference from downtown to CCA VS. downtown to Hopkins.

The Cuyahoga County Airport, by automobile, is only about 4-5 minutes farther from downtown Cleveland than Hopkins.

 

I disagree.  My cousin, for some un godly reason, looked at a house in Richmond Hts. damn near infront of the airport.  Id say more like 10-15 minute difference from downtown to CCA VS. downtown to Hopkins.

 

The Cuyahoga County Airport, by automobile, is only about 4-5 minutes farther from downtown Cleveland than Hopkins.

 

I disagree.  My cousin, for some un godly reason, looked at a house in Richmond Hts. damn near infront of the airport.  Id say more like 10-15 minute difference from downtown to CCA VS. downtown to Hopkins.

 

 

That wasn't in the Richmond Bluffs subdivision was it?

 

CC airport is going thru growing pains of its own. They want to expand to keep Flight Options a tenant there. Any increase in traffic would probably be hard to accomodate without an upgrade and expansion of facillities. There is already major opposition to expansion by airport neighbors.

 

That wasn't in the Richmond Bluffs subdivision was it?

 

 

I have no clue, I just know it was in god awful Richmond Hts. I was unimpressed.  As he said, seeing it in person is definitely a downgrade from Cleveland Hts.

The Cuyahoga County Airport, by automobile, is only about 4-5 minutes farther from downtown Cleveland than Hopkins.

 

I disagree.  My cousin, for some un godly reason, looked at a house in Richmond Hts. damn near infront of the airport.  Id say more like 10-15 minute difference from downtown to CCA VS. downtown to Hopkins.

 

Not to get into a big p---ng match, but it's true, I know that area well. I also just double-checked on Google Maps -- 21 minutes from downtown to Cuyahoga County Airport vs. 15 from downtown to Hopkins.  So not quite 4-5, but not 10-15 either.

The Cuyahoga County Airport, by automobile, is only about 4-5 minutes farther from downtown Cleveland than Hopkins.

 

I disagree.  My cousin, for some un godly reason, looked at a house in Richmond Hts. damn near infront of the airport.  Id say more like 10-15 minute difference from downtown to CCA VS. downtown to Hopkins.

 

Not to get into a big p---ng match, but it's true, I know that area well. I also just double-checked on Google Maps -- 21 minutes from downtown to Cuyahoga County Airport vs. 15 from downtown to Hopkins.  So not quite 4-5, but not 10-15 either.

 

I appreciate that and this is not a pissing match, but what google list and reality are two different things.

It's possible those times are right. I was just going by Google Maps drive times, and when I lived in RH it was about 25 minutes to downtown, but I've never traveled from downtown to the airport.

^^Thats a nice big idea KJP!  Intermodal airports certainly seem to be pretty trendy since Columbus is working on one.  The only link I can think of with water and air modes would be to use the aviation facilities for Customs for the ferry service to Canada.   Thats probably not a big deal though.  Irregardless, the Port Authority should be working on an intermodal port for trucking, rail, and lake whether or not Burke airport is practical or not to participate in the foreseeable future.

 

Thanks!

It would be a unique intermodal hub to have air, water, rail and highway all at a single port facility. I don't know of another that combines all four major modes of transportation at one location. Offers some interesting possibilities for linking up the modes!

 

That's a seriously nice idea. Especially if it could be combined with some radical changes in "brownfields" law that would ease redevelopment along the various railroad spurs.

 

IIRC, Cuyahoga County airport can't handle large jets so it's not feasible as a relief airport, while Burke can even handle C-5s.

 

Daley got in serious trouble with the FAA over what he did to Meigs, especially since planes were both parked there and inbound. It was pretty much the aviation equivalent of what fArt modell did.

fArt modell

 

LOVE IT!!  LMAO!!!

Four more years for lakefront air show

Posted by Plain Dealer staff July 11, 2007 10:53AM

Categories: Breaking News

 

The Cleveland National Air Show will remain in town through at least 2011....

 

The 2007 event, scheduled for Sept. 1 through 3, will be the 43rd consecutive show at Burke, according to a statement released by the city. For ticket information, visit www.clevelandairshow.com or call 216-781-0747.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/07/four_more_years_for_lakefront.html

pd:

 

Deciding what to do with Burke Airport

Meeting explores some possibilities

Friday, August 03, 2007

Dan X. McGraw

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

The future of Burke Lakefront Airport remains undecided.

 

The airport has became a topic of interest as residents and officials have raised questions about what role it plays in the region, and whether the airport and Cuyahoga County Airport in Richmond Heights, are serving a purpose for the region....

 

 

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

 

[email protected], 216-999-4631

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^No better use for the land old timer?  Think again.

That downpour was a planned conspiracy, I tell you! They did that intentionally just to keep attendance way down!!

 

(Actually, that was one of the most intense, longest-lasting thunderstorms I'd remembering being in)

Burke airport likely to remain open

Posted by Susan Vinella September 19, 2007 10:35AM

 

Burke Lakefront Airport will remain open and there are plans for commercial development on its eastern and western edges, city officials said.

 

Percy Dangerfield, chief of staff to city Airport Director Ricky Smith, told the City Council's Aviation and Transportation Committee this morning that Smith would recommend that the airport remain open. Councilman Kevin Kelley, the committee chairman, said, "We are very pleased the debate is over."

 

www.cleveland.com

Continental doesn't fly to Burke, but it holds sway there

Posted by Susan Vinella and Henry J. Gomez September 24, 2007 01:05AM

 

Ask Cleveland officials for one reason not to close Burke Lakefront Airport, and they'll give you four:

 

• It would cost too much -- about $1 billion to build a new runway at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, which would have to absorb Burke's air traffic.

 

• The diverted traffic would clog the airways near Hopkins, causing delays for its top carrier, Continental Airlines, which generates much of the airport's revenue.

 

• Pilots and passengers like Burke because of its convenient downtown location. The Federal Aviation Administration certifies it as one of the safest airports in the region.

 

• Cuyahoga County Airport in Richmond Heights has a shorter runway and could not accommodate Burke's jet traffic -- even if nearby residents welcomed it....

 

www.cleveland.com

Well today's paper had an article about the possibility of Cuy Co. Airport expanding. 

 

I'm for keeping Burke open if some serious upgrades happen (ie new passenger terminal for commercial traffic, garages, etc.), making it worth our while to designate such a vast portion of the shoreline to an airport BUT turning Cuy Co. Airport into the city's 2nd airport isn't a bad idea, especially if the Red line could be extended out there.

 

I like how the resident's complain about the expansion b/c the smell of jet fuel is too much right now...

 

Well pardon my French but don't live near a f*cking airport!  GEEZ!  :roll:  It's not like this thing sprouted over night!  It's been here for years and if you're that ignorant or whatever to live near an airport and complain about fumes and noise, then I hope to God they start bringing in widebodies!

 

New Orleans can only complain so much, after all, what do you expect when you build a city below sea level?!  Mother Nature will always win.

Well today's paper had an article about the possibility of Cuy Co. Airport expanding. 

 

I'm for keeping Burke open if some serious upgrades happen (ie new passenger terminal for commercial traffic, garages, etc.), making it worth our while to designate such a vast portion of the shoreline to an airport BUT turning Cuy Co. Airport into the city's 2nd airport isn't a bad idea, especially if the Red line could be extended out there.

 

I like how the resident's complain about the expansion b/c the smell of jet fuel is too much right now...

 

Well pardon my French but don't live near a f*cking airport!  GEEZ!  :roll:  It's not like this thing sprouted over night!  It's been here for years and if you're that ignorant or whatever to live near an airport and complain about fumes and noise, then I hope to God they start bringing in widebodies!

 

New Orleans can only complain so much, after all, what do you expect when you build a city below sea level?!  Mother Nature will always win.

 

First off, the red line would never make it out there, if anything it should follow Euclid out to Euclid Square mall.  Secondly who cares what those people in Richmond Hts. think, like you said they moved to an area surrounding an airport.  double DUH!!

 

 

Here is a link to the article: http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/120332703150490.xml&coll=2

 

I don't think the Red Line has any chance or reason to be routed to this airport.  There is nothing but branches of Euclid Creek and single-family homes west of the airport.  The land at Euclid Square Mall would be a nice destination for an extended Red or WFL

I just though extending it out that way would be good to connect any business flyers to downtown/UC/CLE and it could also function as a commuter rail stop for east siders... anyways...

 

 

no commercial service will ever be at the Cuyahoga County airport.

From Crain's (www.crainscleveland.com):

 

City seeks FAA OK on Burke plan

Runways, taxiways envisioned moving north to accommodate new mixed-use development

 

By JAY MILLER

 

4:30 am, March 10, 2008

 

The city of Cleveland has submitted a long-term master plan for Burke Lakefront Airport to the Federal Aviation Administration that includes moving runways and taxiways north to make room for new, mixed-use development at the city-owned airport.

 

FAA approval is needed for the airside improvements because the federal government pays for a big portion of the cost of runways, lighting, and takeoff and landing systems...

 

Keep it simple hopefuly. I "hope" they will work to something like eliminateing the parking lot, make it a garage for all the space, and develop that lot. Built in such a manner anticpating the elimination of the marginal roads, e 9th ramps, and a downgraded shoreway.

Former Aviation High School possible site for Strongsville tech firm relocation

Posted by Henry J. Gomez/Plain Dealer Reporter October 09, 2008 20:32PM

Categories: Real Time News

 

Download file: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/10/10CGMCPC.pdf

 

IMG: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/10/medium_Aviation-High-School.jpg

Allison Carey/Plain Dealer File

The old General Benjamin O. Davis Aviation High School Building on North Marginal Road is one of three possible sites in the running for the MCPc relocation.

 

Cleveland officials hope to entice a large suburban company to leave Strongsville and create a headquarters complex on property at downtown's Burke Lakefront Airport.

 

Executives with MCPc Inc. are talking with city airport and development officials about moving to the former Aviation High School. The company, which employs about 300 in offices across the country, provides information-technology services and products to businesses...

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/10/former_aviation_high_school_po.html

 

I certainly would welcome this development -- but ONLY if revenue sharing is part of this and only if the company wants out of Strongsville. It's awfully hypocritical if Cleveland draws this company out of Strongsville with incentives yet it calls for regional cooperation on development. If we're going to have rules on regional development, then EVERYONE has to follow them or it becomes a meaningless, unsustainable treaty.

I certainly would welcome this development -- but ONLY if revenue sharing is part of this and only if the company wants out of Strongsville. It's awfully hypocritical if Cleveland draws this company out of Strongsville with incentives yet it calls for regional cooperation on development. If we're going to have rules on regional development, then EVERYONE has to follow them or it becomes a meaningless, unsustainable treaty.

 

Exactly. I totally agree. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. I have to believe that Jackson is aware that all regional eyes are on him on something like this. And they, quite frankly, should be.

I can't tell if the company contacted Cleveland or not.  If they, MCPc, contacted the city and neither party wants to discuss negations, I don't see what the probelm is.

 

There are other location being considered, so publicly speaking about the negations isn't in either parties best interest.

 

Surprised that this hasn't made it into a Plain Dealer article or onto this forum in one way or another, but it looks like McPc will be moving to the former Aviation High School?  Either that, or they're going to a lot of trouble just to make a pitch.  From a Planning commission agenda on 7/17:

 

Ordinance No. 964-09 (Ward 13/Cimperman):  Determining the method of making the public improvements of renovating and rehabilitating Aviation High School and its associated property and constructing a temporary consolidation maintenance facility at Burke Lakefront Airport; authorizing the Director of Port Control to enter into one or more contracts for the making of the improvements; to employ one or more professional consultants to design the improvements and to enter into various written standard purchase and requirement contracts; to lease Aviation High School and its associated property to MCPc, Inc., dba MCPc Computer Products, for a term of fifteen years; to apply for and accept grants from any public or private entities to implement the improvements; and authorizing the Director of Economic Development to enter into an Enterprise Zone Agreement with MCPc to provide for a 15 years, 68.25% tax abatement for certain tangible real property improvements as an incentive to renovate and rehabilitate Aviation High School and its associated property, located at 1501 North Marginal Road in the Cleveland Area Enterprise Zone.

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2009/071709/index.php

In my SimCity world, I wish they could have taken some space in the CBD, but I suppose I can't complain.

Cleveland closing in on deal to bring high-tech Strongsville company to Burke Lakefront Airport

Posted by Henry J. Gomez/Plain Dealer Reporter

August 05, 2009 10:49AM

 

Allison Carey/The Plain Dealer

MCPc Inc. would move to the old Aviation High School under a deal Cleveland City Council members will review today.Cleveland is on the brink of luring a fast-growing technology company and its 225 employees from Strongsville to the old Aviation High School at Burke Lakefront Airport.

continue at >>>>>

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/08/cleveland_closing_in_on_deal_t.html

 

Good for the city!  Good for Jackson.

They should rightly do a tax sharing with Strongsville, for a certain number of years.

They should rightly do a tax sharing with Strongsville, for a certain number of years.

 

Nope. I say that because IIRC, this company came to the city looking for space.  The city engaged after being contacted.

 

If the city "poached" this company then I would agree on sharing.

 

Strongsville, get over it.  It's about time Team Cleveland won a big one!

^Yes I mostly agree. And I wouldn't be upset if Cleveland did come to them first. Suburbs have been enticing businesses away from Cleveland for about 50 years now. They have used every dirty trick in the book trying to increase there own tax base. It is the reason areas like 271 & Chagrin or 77 & Rockside exist. I say steal away and don't look back.

^Yes I mostly agree. And I wouldn't be upset if Cleveland did come to them first. Suburbs have been enticing businesses away from Cleveland for about 50 years now. They have used every dirty trick in the book trying to increase there own tax base. It is the reason areas like 271 & Chagrin or 77 & Rockside exist. I say steal away and don't look back.

 

Preach

I don't know about not looking back, but Cleveland "stealing" companies and exurbs taking companies from other exurbs should provide incentive for folks to think about coming to the regionalism table someday.

Legally, I think Cleveland has every right to entice the move. Ethically (for the reasons freethink listed), I think they have every right. But pragmatically, I think it's difficult to offer this type of incentive package, not provide a revenue share and expect suburbs to do so when taking firms from Cleveland. Just as with the Avon highway exit, anything that rallies the exurban troops is likely to cost us in terms of regionalism in the future.

 

It would be a tremendous loss. Those are all techie jobs.

 

The use of the term "techie" should alone warrant the loss of 225 IT jobs from your city.

I agree it's about time the tide has turned and companies are moving back to Cleveland. It's the height of hypocrisy that the suburbs are accusing Cleveland of poaching?? Hopefully this is just the first of many that move to Cleveland!

The use of the term "techie" should alone warrant the loss of 225 IT jobs from your city.

 

LOL!

From Crains, below. Is this a way to drum up business and activity at BKL or just a way to help out the county? If CGF were closed, it may make corporate offices in the eastern suburbs less attractive as a business center and therefore give Downtown an advantage.

 

While I think any strengthening of BKL is important for the city--and as an airport, BKL is far superior facility than the smaller CGF, there is no reason why cuyahoga county can't have 3 airports. Once an airport is closed, its gone forever, and houses and other uses take over the runways. Its getting harder and harder to build new airports anywhere.

 

 

Article below:

 

 

Cleveland raises idea of consolidating county airport at Burke Lakefront

 

The city of Cleveland would like Cuyahoga County to close Cuyahoga County Airport in Richmond Heights so that general aviation traffic can be consolidated at city-owned Burke Lakefront Airport.

 

Ricky Smith, director of the city's Department of Port Control, which operates Burke and Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, brought that idea to Cleveland City Council's aviation committee this morning at a special committee meeting at Cleveland Hopkins....

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20100203/FREE/100209915