12 hours ago, ink said:

The 1925 Neil house was nice enough, but I really hate losing the Deshler Hotel at Broad and Main. 

 

She was a classic beauty... 

 

 

Look at the 4 story beauty just to the right (north) of the Deshler hotel.  Reminds me of the Yukon building in the Short North.  Sadly that building was lost to become a surface lot 😕 

Just checked the Preston Centre website...looks like there are 77 units still available, meaning they have presumably leased 25-30 units so far.

 

https://www.prestoncentrecolumbus.com/interactivepropertymap

35 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

Just checked the Preston Centre website...looks like there are 77 units still available, meaning they have presumably leased 25-30 units so far.

 

https://www.prestoncentrecolumbus.com/interactivepropertymap

Getting there, once spring comes I could see that going up. 

1 hour ago, VintageLife said:

Getting there, once spring comes I could see that going up. 

 

That's my hope! It should definitely be a popular spot once the walkway is finished and the other buildings go up. It's probably just going to be a bit of a drawn out process. The Broad/4th intersection should hopefully be much busier within the next five years though. 

17 hours ago, VintageLife said:

Getting there, once spring comes I could see that going up. 

Yeah who is moving in the winter is typically doing it by choice. Always a big wave of people moving in the Spring and Summer.

10 minutes ago, TIm said:

Yeah who is moving in the winter is typically doing it by choice. Always a big wave of people moving in the Spring and Summer.

 

Right. It's been open for almost a year though. 

4 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Right. It's been open for almost a year though. 

It's a beautiful reused space but the price tag for Columbus just doesn't seem to match. I'm no expert on pricing but they seem a bit steep for a city of this size by about $300 to $400 per month. There are people here who can afford them obviously but i don't know about filling the entire building.  I really wished 5 or 6 floors would have been turned into condos. I'm sure that would have helped.  

8 minutes ago, sono4315 said:

It's a beautiful reused space but the price tag for Columbus just doesn't seem to match. I'm no expert on pricing but they seem a bit steep for a city of this size by about $300 to $400 per month. There are people here who can afford them obviously but i don't know about filling the entire building.  I really wished 5 or 6 floors would have been turned into condos. I'm sure that would have helped.  

 

Based on the vision they've laid out for the surrounding area, the price might be fair once that vision is fully built out. But right now, I agree. It's pretty steep. There's definitely enough people in this city with the money to pay these prices, but I think the surrounding amenities need to improve. 

29 minutes ago, sono4315 said:

It's a beautiful reused space but the price tag for Columbus just doesn't seem to match. I'm no expert on pricing but they seem a bit steep for a city of this size by about $300 to $400 per month. There are people here who can afford them obviously but i don't know about filling the entire building.  I really wished 5 or 6 floors would have been turned into condos. I'm sure that would have helped.  

In fairness I believe the pricing was originally lower, but when they had to add a new elevator it added a lot to the price. I do agree it’s a steep price for Columbus and agree even more that some of these should have been condo units. Maybe if they have trouble filling it up with renters, that will happen.

 

I think that’s what happened with the citizen building. I remember that being apartments and then all of a sudden they became condo units. I could be wrong in my memory though. 

58 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

In fairness I believe the pricing was originally lower, but when they had to add a new elevator it added a lot to the price. I do agree it’s a steep price for Columbus and agree even more that some of these should have been condo units. Maybe if they have trouble filling it up with renters, that will happen.

 

I think that’s what happened with the citizen building. I remember that being apartments and then all of a sudden they became condo units. I could be wrong in my memory though. 

I think with the Citizens building, they were required to make the building initially apartments, as it was a requirement to receive the tax abatements.  Somewhere in the agreement it had to remain apartments for a certain amount of years to receive the abatement approval (not really sure why or to what logic this was required).  I could be wrong, but I feel like I remember hearing something along those lines in the past.

 

Found a past article relating to this:

Downtown’s Citizens building apartments to be converted into condos

 

"Jeff Edwards of Edwards Cos., who developed the building, said there is more appeal in that location for a for-sale product. He also said he always planned to turn the building’s apartments into condos, but he needed to own the property for five years first to comply with tax credit rules related to the building’s historic status."

Edited January 15Jan 15 by Gnoraa

18 hours ago, VintageLife said:

In fairness I believe the pricing was originally lower, but when they had to add a new elevator it added a lot to the price. I do agree it’s a steep price for Columbus and agree even more that some of these should have been condo units. Maybe if they have trouble filling it up with renters, that will happen.

 

I think that’s what happened with the citizen building. I remember that being apartments and then all of a sudden they became condo units. I could be wrong in my memory though. 

It's good that we have units at this price point though. There are plenty of people in Central Ohio making the money to afford these things, they just need to be enticed into moving downtown. Plus for every person that rents one of these, that's a more affordable unit they aren't renting that can go to someone who can't afford these expensive places.

19 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Based on the vision they've laid out for the surrounding area, the price might be fair once that vision is fully built out. But right now, I agree. It's pretty steep. There's definitely enough people in this city with the money to pay these prices, but I think the surrounding amenities need to improve. 

I agree. As amenities and retail from the Gilbert open up and the elevated park and atrium bar/restaurant building on 3rd come online, I think Preston will start to fill more quickly. If the full Cap Square project gets built out, this entire area will be buzzing. 

The Capitol Square Renaissance (Franklin County)

Total Development Cost: $573,533,000

Total Tax Credit: $33,000,000

 

The Capitol Square Renaissance project will transform a 9.8-acre site located between Broad and Third Streets in downtown Columbus into a vibrant mixed-use district. The redevelopment will replace an underutilized building and surface parking with four new buildings, creating over 1,000 new downtown residences, nine restaurants, structured parking, and nearly 200,000 square feet of Class A office space. The project will replace a concrete-heavy, automobilecentric environment with improved streetscapes, green spaces, and three new publicly accessible parks, enhancing the pedestrian experience and fostering community connection. A centerpiece of the project will be Preston Park, a public, handicap-accessible elevated green space inspired by New York City’s iconic High Line. Featuring public art and hosting events, the park will connect all five buildings within the development. The project is expected to create approximately 2,634 construction jobs and 1,954 permanent jobs at the project site.

 

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/OHIOGOVERNOR/2025/01/24/file_attachments/3142703/2025 0127 TMUD Award Descriptions.pdf

On 1/27/2025 at 1:53 PM, ColDayMan said:

The Capitol Square Renaissance (Franklin County)

Total Development Cost: $573,533,000

Total Tax Credit: $33,000,000

 

The Capitol Square Renaissance project will transform a 9.8-acre site located between Broad and Third Streets in downtown Columbus into a vibrant mixed-use district. The redevelopment will replace an underutilized building and surface parking with four new buildings, creating over 1,000 new downtown residences, nine restaurants, structured parking, and nearly 200,000 square feet of Class A office space. The project will replace a concrete-heavy, automobilecentric environment with improved streetscapes, green spaces, and three new publicly accessible parks, enhancing the pedestrian experience and fostering community connection. A centerpiece of the project will be Preston Park, a public, handicap-accessible elevated green space inspired by New York City’s iconic High Line. Featuring public art and hosting events, the park will connect all five buildings within the development. The project is expected to create approximately 2,634 construction jobs and 1,954 permanent jobs at the project site.

 

https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/OHIOGOVERNOR/2025/01/24/file_attachments/3142703/2025 0127 TMUD Award Descriptions.pdf

Any idea when this will break ground?

50 minutes ago, 614love said:

Any idea when this will break ground?

It probably won’t happen for a bit. The only part of that project that has been presented to the downtown commission was the ywca parking lot building. We have no idea how much funding Edwards has secured, but that is most likely the next building we see go up. Hopefully it starts when the broad street building is done. 

Per the Dispatch Article:

 

"Edwards said he hopes to begin work this year on the next building, an 11-story apartment building on South 4th Street behind Preston Centre. An identical building is planned across South 4th Street."

 

So it seems they don't intend on taking it terribly slow 

Edited January 29Jan 29 by DTCL11

Edwards is also currently building the 100 N High building. Seems like they can handle several large projects at one time.

I spoke to someone who's a member at the ACC. Their member parking area is that surface lot on the east side of 4th behind the Columbus Club mansion. When the news about development project came out, the ACC sent a message to their members stating that Edwards had not contacted them about purchasing the lot. That doesn't mean Edwards hasn't contacted them since then, but as of now the ACC still owns the lot according to the auditor's website. With that said, I'm sure Edwards and the ACC could pretty easily strike a deal to allocate some parking for ACC members.

34 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

I spoke to someone who's a member at the ACC. Their member parking area is that surface lot on the east side of 4th behind the Columbus Club mansion. When the news about development project came out, the ACC sent a message to their members stating that Edwards had not contacted them about purchasing the lot. That doesn't mean Edwards hasn't contacted them since then, but as of now the ACC still owns the lot according to the auditor's website. With that said, I'm sure Edwards and the ACC could pretty easily strike a deal to allocate some parking for ACC members.

Yeah, what an annoyance it would be for a project like that to not happen, because of a few parking spots. 

I'm not trying to start an argument, maybe a discussion but this is completely unacceptable when the numbers coming out show Columbus as being one of the fastest growing cities in the United States.  This is comparing Nashville to Columbus on development.  If Columbus wants to reach 40k downtown population by 2040 the city is going to have to be a little more aggressive. 1 or 2 projects being built downtown at 5/10 stories a year isn't even going to make these numbers close.  With 15 years to reach to 40k goal, that means over 1,800 units need to be built and occupied each year until 2040. 

Edited January 29Jan 29 by sono4315

2 hours ago, sono4315 said:

I'm not trying to start an argument, maybe a discussion but this is completely unacceptable when the numbers coming out show Columbus as being one of the fastest growing cities in the United States.  This is comparing Nashville to Columbus on development.  If Columbus wants to reach 40k downtown population by 2040 the city is going to have to be a little more aggressive. 1 or 2 projects being built downtown at 5/10 stories a year isn't even going to make these numbers close.  With 15 years to reach to 40k goal, that means over 1,800 units need to be built and occupied each year until 2040. 

Columbus has a ton of projects on development. Just because they aren’t tall, doesn’t really mean anything. There are tons and tons of open parking lots where 5-10 story buildings will go, then taller builds will become more common. 
 

Honestly super tall builds are mostly pointless from a pedestrian aspect. If Columbus fills in with numerous buildings in the 10 story range, with great ground floor interaction, that will be way better than some towers. 
 

you also can’t really compare Columbus to Nashville. One is a massive tourist destination in the south. The other is a great city, that is enjoyable to live in. There aren’t a ton of natural tourist attractions in Columbus. 

Edited January 29Jan 29 by VintageLife

45 minutes ago, sono4315 said:

I'm not trying to start an argument, maybe a discussion but this is completely unacceptable when the numbers coming out show Columbus as being one of the fastest growing cities in the United States.  This is comparing Nashville to Columbus on development.  If Columbus wants to reach 40k downtown population by 2040 the city is going to have to be a little more aggressive. 1 or 2 projects being built downtown at 5/10 stories a year isn't even going to make these numbers close.  With 15 years to reach to 40k goal, that means over 1,800 units need to be built and occupied each year until 2040. 

 

Nashville is a tourist city. Most of those towers are hotels or condos that are turned into AirBnBs or second homes for musicians. They are an outlier when it comes to the construction to population growth ratio. 

All of that and Downtown Nashville's Population is still under 20,000.

 

We will be ok. Whether we hit 40k is an unknown and MANY factors apply that aren't solely dependent on whether any specific developments are pushed beyond what's economically feasible for them. 

 

No need to pull a Jman and start screen grabbing other cities. 

It's laughable that Columbus still tries to compare itself to Nashville, Austin, and Charlotte. I live most of the year in Charlotte. They compare themselves to Atlanta, not Columbus. Austin compares itself to Dallas, not Columbus. Who knows who Nashville compares itself to, but I doubt it's Columbus. In reality Columbus should compare itself to Oklahoma City and Indianapolis.

^You could maybe do that if the other 2Cs didn't exist.

3 hours ago, John7165 said:

It's laughable that Columbus still tries to compare itself to Nashville, Austin, and Charlotte. I live most of the year in Charlotte. They compare themselves to Atlanta, not Columbus. Austin compares itself to Dallas, not Columbus. Who knows who Nashville compares itself to, but I doubt it's Columbus. In reality Columbus should compare itself to Oklahoma City and Indianapolis.

 OKC is laughable, Indy is who we’re trying to outpace. Striving to be more like Austin and Nashville is what people mean. I’ve personally never seen or heard anyone trying to compare us to Charlotte. 
 

We only trail Austin by 300-400k people, a huge number yes. The real number for Austin is probably more like 4mil+ because of how close San Antonio is becoming and probably why they compare themselves to the Metroplex.

A downtown is never behind. Nor is it ahead. It populates precisely when it means too. 

On 1/29/2025 at 3:14 PM, VintageLife said:

Columbus has a ton of projects on development. Just because they aren’t tall, doesn’t really mean anything. There are tons and tons of open parking lots where 5-10 story buildings will go, then taller builds will become more common. 
 

Honestly super tall builds are mostly pointless from a pedestrian aspect. If Columbus fills in with numerous buildings in the 10 story range, with great ground floor interaction, that will be way better than some towers. 
 

you also can’t really compare Columbus to Nashville. One is a massive tourist destination in the south. The other is a great city, that is enjoyable to live in. There aren’t a ton of natural tourist attractions in Columbus. 

Columbus tourism is all events based tourism. We got a few huge unique event weekends every year, sporting events and concerts that draw people to the city. Nashville is drawing people in just to see Nashville and be in Nashville as well as event based tourism. We still have to be specific that this is Columbus, Ohio when talking to people not from the area.

On 1/29/2025 at 8:33 PM, wpcc88 said:

 OKC is laughable, Indy is who we’re trying to outpace. Striving to be more like Austin and Nashville is what people mean. I’ve personally never seen or heard anyone trying to compare us to Charlotte. 
 

We only trail Austin by 300-400k people, a huge number yes. The real number for Austin is probably more like 4mil+ because of how close San Antonio is becoming and probably why they compare themselves to the Metroplex.

I've heard Charlotte comparisons! But only when it comes to car dependency lol. Charlotte is probably the most car dependent big city in the country and we aren't far behind.

Exterior work finishing up 😩😩

11 hours ago, sono4315 said:

Exterior work finishing up 😩😩

 

The only positive I can say is that is does enhance the streetwall....

18 minutes ago, Pablo said:

 

The only positive I can say is that is does enhance the streetwall....

I’m hoping at some point the OEA building is gone and there can be something that hides most of this building built there

11 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

I’m hoping at some point the OEA building is gone and there can be something that hides most of this building built there

I hope not - that's classic modernism

Hey, you all leave my large gray son alone!

Honestly, it's a gross building but it's so deliberately, egregiously bad that I'm almost coming around to respect it.

On 1/14/2025 at 2:54 PM, cbussoccer said:

looks like there are 77 units

Down to 71 available units, it will be interesting to see if the RTO stuff will have an impact on this building.  

Edited February 11Feb 11 by VintageLife

3 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

Down to 71 available units, it will be interesting to see if the RTO stuff will have an impact on this building.  

 

I definitely think RTO will have a positive impact this building and downtown residential occupancy in general. 

 

One of the biggest draws for living downtown is being able to walk home and skip the traffic. If you wfh, downtown doesn't provide that perk. More people working downtown will result in more people considering downtown as a place to live.

 

RTO will also help make more businesses viable downtown, which in turn will make life better and more convenient for downtown residents. 

The amount of griping on r/Columbus Reddit about RTO is very entertaining.

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

 

I definitely think RTO will have a positive impact this building and downtown residential occupancy in general. 

 

One of the biggest draws for living downtown is being able to walk home and skip the traffic. If you wfh, downtown doesn't provide that perk. More people working downtown will result in more people considering downtown as a place to live.

 

RTO will also help make more businesses viable downtown, which in turn will make life better and more convenient for downtown residents. 

 

Agreed, it'll spurn more development downtown. Hopefully these buildings are beautiful and help activate this section of 4th street. 

31 minutes ago, Pablo said:

The amount of griping on r/Columbus Reddit about RTO is very entertaining.

 

It's hilarious. And many of them are only being asked to go in 3-4 days a week. They act like people can't possibly get through life having to go to the office. It's a total mystery how we managed to get by for over 100 years doing just that. 

 

I have to remind myself though that a lot of people on reddit are young enough to have never worked in the corporate world before 2020. It's a totally foreign concept to them. I think once a lot of these people are forced back into the office, they'll realize it's actually easier to get their work done and progress in their career. 

They might actually develop some social skills

 

Few looks at the Elevated Park 

 

From 4th St

 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, CbusOrBust said:

 

Few looks at the Elevated Park 

 

From 4th St

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully this will be finished in time for summer 

8 hours ago, 614love said:

Hopefully this will be finished in time for summer 

Nice - reminds us of the High Line and entrance points.

5 hours ago, Willo said:

Nice - reminds us of the High Line and entrance points.

Hopefully nobody throws anything over the side where there is no safety fence. I could see some idiot doing this onto a car passing under and ruining this for us all! 

 

In-depth look at the Elevated Park 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope that park sparks some serious infill around all the spots left to really give it a canyon-lite feel.

Is it completely open to the public?

1 hour ago, CbusOrBust said:

 

In-depth look at the Elevated Park 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This looks beautiful, and hopefully it is used as much as it should be. Hopefully the restaurant space around this, along 3rd gets going soon. Would be a beautiful spot to get some food. 

I really hope that Edwards stays heavy on developing this area and that the current economic problems don’t slow him down.