January 24, 20205 yr There's a fiscally conservative argument for steering development within the traditional, centralized the area where huge infrastructural investments have already been made. Then again I suppose the other side of the argument would be that it doesn't make sense to re-invest somewhere where corruption or ineptitude makes the investment a bad one. SHW's decision, when it all comes to fruition someday, will be fascinating to really look at more in-depth. There's just so many angles to consider. Edited January 24, 20205 yr by surfohio
January 26, 20205 yr Brecksville, DiGeronimo fine-tune big development plan Brecksville Mayor Jerry Hruby in an email said he is in discussions with "several companies" for possible investments in the suburb 13 miles south of downtown Cleveland, but that Sherwin-Williams is not among them. Asked if he was in talks with representatives of Sherwin-Williams or others working on its behalf in that site-selection process, Hruby wrote in a follow-up email, "If you can not accept my previous answer, I am sorry." https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/brecksville-digeronimo-fine-tune-big-development-plan "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 27, 20205 yr Not there yet. But they're getting closer to a new R&D home..... ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 27, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, KJP said: Not there yet. But they're getting closer to a new R&D home..... ? *has anxiety attack*
January 27, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Not there yet. But they're getting closer to a new R&D home..... ? In Cleveland proper or the suburbs?
January 27, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said: In Cleveland proper or the suburbs? Stay tuned. Article coming soon. ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 27, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: Thanks KJP! I may be 1244 miles away, but still have the pulse on my hometown. You should move back home - We need all the people that left Cleveland for Greener Pastures to come back home. ( Texas, Florida, Carolinas, California, Denver, Seattle, Columbus , ETC ETC ETC. Man we probably could substantially increase our population if we brought back everyone.
January 27, 20205 yr 55 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said: upvote because I really really liked that music video back in the day haha
January 27, 20205 yr MONDAY, JANUARY 27, 2020 Sherwin-Williams seeks Bedrock site for R&D It seems that Sherwin-Williams' (SHW) new research and development (R&D) facility may not wander far from home after all, according to three high-level sources who asked not to be identified. In light of SHW executives wanting the new R&D facility to be built as close as possible to their company's new headquarters (HQ), the global coatings giant is reportedly in negotiations with Bedrock Cleveland and its lawyers at Taft Stettinius & Hollister LLP to secure land for its R&D site. That site, which SHW had previously considered as the runner-up for its expanded and consolidated HQ facilities, is located between Tower City Center and the Cuyahoga River. It was previously considered for Bedrock's phase two casino but Bedrock has since been exiting the casino business. There, on 19.6 acres of land it owns, Bedrock plans to build the riverfront phase of its CityBlock development featuring a mix of offices, a hotel, apartment towers and possibly SHW's R&D facility. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/01/a-conceptual-massing-of-bedrocks.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 27, 20205 yr This is pretty exciting... originally so many of us were torn between Weston/Jacobs or Bedrock site and which would be more transformational. If this goes through we hopefully get something that is a little bit of the best of both worlds!
January 27, 20205 yr This is the perfect spot. Maybe they can do a land swap. Bedrock gets the Landmark building to do a residential conversion. Seeing their work on the May Co., I’d love to see that happen. Everyone wins, and the CBD will be closer to getting built out.
January 27, 20205 yr I can see SHW swapping its Breen property for Bedrock's upper parking lot for Tower City. But I can't see SHW trading its Landmark Building for anything other than a big pile of cash. FWIW, Millennia bought the slightly larger 925 Euclid for $40 million. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 28, 20205 yr Probably wildly speculating here, but if R&D go to Tower City, I bet HQ goes to Tower City
January 28, 20205 yr 22 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said: Okay, off topic but no joke; scrolling through this thread at lunch and what’s playing at Heinens as we speak? ? Back on topic! clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
January 28, 20205 yr 37 minutes ago, punch said: Probably wildly speculating here, but if R&D go to Tower City, I bet HQ goes to Tower City Huh?
February 5, 20205 yr Ummmmm @KJP can you address the above? I trust your reporting more than theirs. Edited February 5, 20205 yr by mrclifton88
February 5, 20205 yr That kinda sucks. Bedrock site would have been a great alternative. Is the job gain in Cleveland proper now a wash compared to what's here now? Even though we will potentially gain new HQ jobs losing those R&D jobs seems like it cancels that out.
February 5, 20205 yr Yes an absolute surprise especially since just last week we thought they were negotiating at the bedrock site
February 5, 20205 yr This gives me more disappoinment than when Eaton left to go to Highland Hills. At least with that Cleveland gets some sort of benefit.
February 5, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, simplythis said: Is it possible that channel 3 has the story wrong. Doubtful. It says sources (more than one) and I haven't known channel 3 to put out something like this if it weren't true.
February 5, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, simplythis said: Is it possible that channel 3 has the story wrong. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/sherwin-williams-to-announce-tomorrow-that-it-will-stay-in-cleveland/95-15a6aa37-c4d6-4ecf-a844-1ca637eb9f31
February 5, 20205 yr And there's a chance they may have the story right. I heard from one source over the weekend but the R&D was going to Brecksville. But since it was only one source and that SHW was engaging in a disinformation campaign, I chose not to report. Even my source thought it was a bit out there.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 5, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, KJP said: And there's a chance they may have the story right. I heard from one source over the weekend but the R&D was going to Brecksville. But since it was only one source and that SHW was engaging in a disinformation campaign, I chose not to report. Even my source thought it was a bit out there.... So what went wrong with the bedrock site negotiations
February 5, 20205 yr What the hell is with this city? Essentially more poaching from the city to the suburbs. It never freaking ends. Edited February 5, 20205 yr by AsDustinFoxWouldSay
February 5, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: What the hell is with this city? Essentially more poaching from the city to the suburbs. It never freaking ends. Except for there will also be poaching going on the other way around as well. There will be jobs from Strongsville and other locations that will be consolidated into the headquarters. Let's not forget based on reports we will still have 5,000 jobs downtown (up from 3,300). We just will have 1000 jobs also in Brecksville. Disappointing? Yes. But it's not like the city is simply continuing a losing streak.
February 5, 20205 yr We should probably wait on an announcement for details. We don’t know anything about an agreement of any sort. Maybe (pure speculation) Sherwin Williams will give the Breen space to an expanded canal basin park for instance. There are other types of victories.
February 5, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, simplythis said: How in the world did channel 3 get the story before we did here at Urban Ohio. I guess someone wasn't in the right elevator at the right time.
February 5, 20205 yr I've found the coordinated leaks pretty interesting. When KJP didn't bite on the source feeding him the Breckville story, it went to a WKYC reporter. Not to say the story isn't true (I have no idea), but the back and forth on the various R&D locations stinks of negotiation tactics. The HQ complex should be more employees than the original HQ+R&D site so I guess it is still a plus for Cleveland. But can't help but swallow the bitter pill. Hopefully developing the riverfront wasn't a once in a lifetime opportunity.
February 5, 20205 yr I am told there will be a press release tomorrow. I don't yet know what will be in it. Still checking. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 5, 20205 yr When I hear from Sherwin Williams tomorrow that they are not leaving Cleveland and that eyesore on Public Square will be no more; I’m not putting too much focus on the RD facility. I get the disappointment though. Edited February 5, 20205 yr by Florida Guy
February 5, 20205 yr Here's my contribution. Still waiting to hear from more sources, but these two sources are pretty good ones.... Edited February 5, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 5, 20205 yr On 1/26/2020 at 10:12 AM, KJP said: Brecksville, DiGeronimo fine-tune big development plan Brecksville Mayor Jerry Hruby in an email said he is in discussions with "several companies" for possible investments in the suburb 13 miles south of downtown Cleveland, but that Sherwin-Williams is not among them. Asked if he was in talks with representatives of Sherwin-Williams or others working on its behalf in that site-selection process, Hruby wrote in a follow-up email, "If you can not accept my previous answer, I am sorry." https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/brecksville-digeronimo-fine-tune-big-development-plan Nice reminder to believe only half of what you see in Crains...
February 5, 20205 yr This is crazy.......guaranteed that the state will have to put in off and on ramps off of Miller Road....costing millions. Sprawl continues
February 5, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, ML11 said: Nice reminder to believe only half of what you see in Crains... I honestly wouldn't blame Crains/Bullard, depending on the outcome that's the mayor protecting one hell of an NDA and project. Edited February 5, 20205 yr by GISguy
February 5, 20205 yr Good thing the mayor of Brecksville had just recently confirmed that “there were no talks going on with SW”. Yeah okay.
February 5, 20205 yr There is some R and D guy who lives in Mentor that is not going to be a happy camper tomorrow.
February 5, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, ML11 said: Nice reminder to believe only half of what you see in Crains... I think it's more of a reminder to believe only half of what you hear from politicians (if that).
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