5 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Crime is way up in all cities across the board. Cleveland's rise this year isn't unique, so chill out.

So no one can mention crime in the CLE crime thread? Doesn’t make sense.

this thread was just locked because it was taken off topic. The topic is crime here.

 

that said, CLE still has a bad crime reputation so I get to a point that some locals don’t like hearing about reality.

 

Edited December 15, 20204 yr by CLENYC

11 minutes ago, CLENYC said:

So no one can mention crime in the CLE crime thread? Doesn’t make sense.

this thread was just locked because it was taken off topic. The topic is crime here.

 

that said, CLE still has a bad crime reputation so I get to a point that some locals don’t like hearing about reality.

 

 

You can mention it all you want without sounding so dramatic. Besides, who really worries about reputation except for clowns and those with insecurity issues?

 

Interesting note: NYC's increase in homicides percentage-wise (38%) is actually greater than Cleveland's.

Edited December 15, 20204 yr by Clefan98

5 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

You can mention it all you want without sounding so dramatic. Besides, who really worries about reputation except for clowns and those with insecurity issues?

 

Interesting note: NYC's increase in homicides percentage-wise (38%) is actually greater than Cleveland's.

Unfortunately for Cleveland, it’s population continues to decline so reputation still matters, especially with violent crime.

 

I’ll work on taking the drama out of stating homicides, carjackings, and other violent crime going on in CLE but how is someone supposed to make a 13 year old kid killed in a drug deal not be too dramatic?

there’s a difference between reputation and reality.

 

 

1 minute ago, CLENYC said:

Unfortunately for Cleveland, it’s population continues to decline so reputation still matters, especially with violent crime.

 

I’ll work on taking the drama out of stating homicides, carjackings, and other violent crime going on in CLE but how is someone supposed to make a 13 year old kid killed in a drug deal not be too dramatic?

there’s a difference between reputation and reality.

 

 

Yawn...In reality, crime is up everywhere due to the stress of the pandemic and the economic toll it's brought upon. 
 

Fact is, prior to the anomaly of this year, violent crime had been trending downwards in Cleveland since the 90s. 

 

Cleveland in the New York Times this morning...and not for good reason.   A bleak piece about the state of affairs in Slavic Village. 

 

Gunfire and Crashing Cars: In Struggling Neighborhoods, ‘We’re Losing Our Grip’

A year of hardship in parts of Cleveland has left many with the sense that the fabric of their communities was fraying.

 

 

By Campbell Robertson

Jan. 2, 2021, 5:00 a.m. ET

CLEVELAND — When evening arrives, Darryl Brazil sits on his porch and watches the world fall apart.

His neighborhood on the east side of Cleveland has held on through years of hard times. It was rough around the edges in parts, but his block was quiet, or at least it used to be. Now, wild things happen day and night.

“You’ll see someone come flying down the street doing 50 and 60 miles an hour,” he said. “On a residential street. It doesn’t make sense.” Couples that had always bickered harmlessly are now ending their arguments with a stabbing. Gun battles break out a couple of blocks away. When Mr. Brazil was at the store the other week, a man pulled out a gun and threatened to kill his dog for barking.

“I’ve heard people say that people get crazy when there is a full moon out,” said Mr. Brazil, 71, who has seen a lot but nothing like what he has seen in the past year. “Seems like the full moon is out every damn day now.”

 

Read the entire piece: 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/02/us/crime-poverty-pandemic-cleveland.html?referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwAR2NvzQbus2FFTGP_4Y7bWRGjd8K_Q0UTgxA-b1C5BpBzoFYS0RqxoVoeRg

^I saw that this morning. At the first few lines I was expecting it to be an article about the gun violence and stresses in cities across the country, but no---the article was exclusively focused on what's happening in Cleveland.

Sad to see the demise of another once-great Cleveland neighborhood. 

I thought that article was way over the top. Besides, I inherently despise articles (and people) that complain about things without discussing potential solutions.

^ I read the article more as an account on how the pandemic has exacerbated problems in impoverished communities. The damages go beyond deaths and health problems. To me the implication is that the solutions are bigger than what the neighborhood and city can do. The country has failed the residents of Slavic Village for the 2nd time in recent history.

1 hour ago, skiwest said:

Sad to see the demise of another once-great Cleveland neighborhood. 

 

It's also disheartening given the fact that Slavic Village is one neighborhood we cannot say the city has ignored. There have been millions in capital injected into that neighborhood 

If I were writing that article, I would have interviewed and quoted this city official who proposed this for dealing with similar problems in another city...

 

Ok, easy to say, what to do? For starters and not necessarily in order as many can be simultaneous: 1. Get direct stimulus out to struggling people now. 2. Task the #1 logistical organization in the world, the U.S. Military with the vaccine rollout. 3. Large scale infrastructure investments to improve water, transportation (transit), and public buildings that will in turn provide services (libraries, schools, parks, recreation facilities). 4. Direct support to Local Governments for programming and other necessities. 5. Redoubling of efforts to get police connected and re-connected within communities and building relationships. These are a few off the top of my head but it's going to take a concerted national effort. This is not my exhaustive list but a good place to start. 

If only we had a Cleveland based newspaper that can do this reporting instead of NY Times. 

The thread is cleaned and unlocked.

On 8/12/2020 at 10:17 AM, YABO713 said:

 

So, I wouldn't have phrased it in the dog whistley way he did - but he's right.  The store is a net loss for the community down there. I've been in there about a dozen times and never seen anyone under the age of 18 or female. It's a hangout. 

 

If the city could work to ensure a similarly situated mini-mart under new ownership could go there, that would be fantastic. Fact of the matter is, current ownership tolerates the crime that happens there. I know there's not much you can do about a smash and grab robbery... but there is a lot you can do about allowing men to loiter on your exterior wall for hours at a time. 

 

Take, for instance, the convenient at Bridge and W.41/Randall... there are always gentlemen outside from the neighborhood - but the store owners have active relationships with those people, and its become a part of the community fabric, not a source for concern. 

Are cities allowed to enforce loitering laws though? Thought the ACLU or some other group fought against loitering laws. That’s why we see loitering outside businesses, especially food retail etc. 

Guys panhandling at the doors, opening doors as you enter/exit and expecting $ for their “service”. It’s ridiculous.

 

not sure about CLE but some cities can’t have someone removed from their business; cops have to call in a supervisor.  Cops can’t touch these folks inside businesses. Restrooms must be open to the public, non customers off the street have to be accommodated. It’s a total mess. This could be more of a “blue progressive” city issue though and perhaps not a CLE issue so much.

 

Edited February 7, 20214 yr by CLENYC

 

Ugh

 

 

Wonder if this is connected to the previous post?

 

 

1 minute ago, KJP said:

Wonder if this is connected to the previous post?

 

 

 

Wow. I'm so glad the kids appear to be okay.

 

We have so many Americans in prison already, but you read stories like this every day and realize we need even more people put away. Not to be abused, but simply just be kept away from normal people in society. 

On 1/2/2021 at 12:19 PM, freefourur said:

^ I read the article more as an account on how the pandemic has exacerbated problems in impoverished communities. The damages go beyond deaths and health problems. To me the implication is that the solutions are bigger than what the neighborhood and city can do. The country has failed the residents of Slavic Village for the 2nd time in recent history.

Need to include inept local government as well for SV demise.

On 1/2/2021 at 12:44 PM, YABO713 said:

 

It's also disheartening given the fact that Slavic Village is one neighborhood we cannot say the city has ignored. There have been millions in capital injected into that neighborhood 

Just proves that just throwing $$ isn’t the solution..see also Cleveland Public Schools for example.

Edited February 20, 20214 yr by CLENYC

 

And there is a second group even farther out, beyond the second break in the ice, near the water intake crib...

 

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

And there is a second group even farther out, beyond the second break in the ice, near the water intake crib...

 

All complete idiots.  Natural Selection writ large.

 

Anyone that grew up here knows about the year round dangers of the lake; from undertows, winter ice, and high fecal counts.  At least the general toxicity of the water issue seems to be a thing of the past though and the “bacteria” issue will be soon.

 

Since this is the CLE thread, these rescued morons need to be fined as in the cost of being rescued.

 

Can’t be good feeling being on a what is now a Lake Erie ice flo.

Edited February 21, 20214 yr by CLENYC

So 10 people, 7 “adults” and 3 minors rescued from lake ice today.
 

Kids will be kids (no ages provided as of yet ) and hopefully no adult actually took them on the ice or was responsible for their safety and supervision.

 

County DCFS needs to be contacted whether or not these kids were with adults.

Edited February 22, 20214 yr by CLENYC

Good News! They caught the kids responsible for the many recent carjackings. I hope the legal system treats them as adults...

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2021/03/3-teens-arrested-linked-to-more-than-30-carjackings-and-car-thefts-in-cleveland-police-say.html

Good!:  

 

Ohio appeals court upholds firing of Cleveland police officer who killed Tamir Rice

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- An appeals court on Thursday declined to reinstate former Cleveland police officer Timothy Loehmann, who shot 12-year-old Tamir Rice in 2014. The city of Cleveland didn’t fire Loehmann for any action he took during the November 2014 killing of Rice, but rather for lying on his initial application about his reason for leaving his prior job at a suburban police department...."

 

The bold above is my own emphasis/outrage, but I'm glad he's fired nonetheless.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2021/03/ohio-appeals-court-upholds-firing-of-cleveland-police-officer-who-killed-tamir-rice.html

8 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

 

I share your thoughts.  Something must change.  These criminals have their escapes well-planned.  Get into Cleveland and they have made their getaway.  In the very least, the criminals are in their "home turf".  If the chase continues, unless the pursuing suburban officers have a good knowledge of the area in Cleveland, they are at a disadvantage.  They are on their own without CPD's help and if something goes wrong, they get hung out to dry.  

 

In the end, it just creates more victims.

 

Cross posted from the suburban crime thread.  

 

Cleveland Police have 2 helicopters in their aviation unit that barely ever fly.   I would like to see more money directed their way to enable them to get eyes in the sky more often, which would definitely help avoid high speed chases if being tracked from the air.   Maybe some of the new Federal money from the stimulus bill can be put to this effort. 

^And I believe Parma Police have drones. Perhaps that is an option for pursuing fleeing criminals.

1 hour ago, skiwest said:

^And I believe Parma Police have drones. Perhaps that is an option for pursuing fleeing criminals.

Or this. It would be significantly cheaper for us to just buy drones. Helicopters are insanely expensive. 

1 hour ago, KFM44107 said:

Or this. It would be significantly cheaper for us to just buy drones. Helicopters are insanely expensive. 

 

It would be cheaper.  However there would be some hurdles with operating drones in the CLE Class B airspace as well as the BKL Class D airspace that extends to the surface in various parts of the city.    Not impossible, but requires prior authorization and planning with the FAA, which is not ideal for sudden car chases.   A manned helicopter can just call up and request clearance into the airspace, then stay in contact with ATC while the chase is going on.    

 

With this being said, we already own 2 helicopters and pay pilots--they just rarely get used.   Having routine patrols would put the criminals on notice that they can't escape observation from overhead during a chase into Cleveland.  

6 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

It would be cheaper.  However there would be some hurdles with operating drones in the CLE Class B airspace as well as the BKL Class D airspace that extends to the surface in various parts of the city.    Not impossible, but requires prior authorization and planning with the FAA, which is not ideal for sudden car chases.   A manned helicopter can just call up and request clearance into the airspace, then stay in contact with ATC while the chase is going on.    

 

With this being said, we already own 2 helicopters and pay pilots--they just rarely get used.   Having routine patrols would put the criminals on notice that they can't escape observation from overhead during a chase into Cleveland.  

Isn’t operating a helicopter a LOT more expensive than just paying the pilots?

6 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

It would be cheaper.  However there would be some hurdles with operating drones in the CLE Class B airspace as well as the BKL Class D airspace that extends to the surface in various parts of the city.    Not impossible, but requires prior authorization and planning with the FAA, which is not ideal for sudden car chases.   A manned helicopter can just call up and request clearance into the airspace, then stay in contact with ATC while the chase is going on.    

 

With this being said, we already own 2 helicopters and pay pilots--they just rarely get used.   Having routine patrols would put the criminals on notice that they can't escape observation from overhead during a chase into Cleveland.  

Didn't realize there were all these hurdles, but that makes sense. There are at least two officers who are working to get their drone operator license from what I understand. I believe in the next decade, and with some federal help, we will be using drones big and small. 

57 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Isn’t operating a helicopter a LOT more expensive than just paying the pilots?

Yes totally.  Fuel and maintenance costs are not cheap!  

 

 

57 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

Didn't realize there were all these hurdles, but that makes sense. There are at least two officers who are working to get their drone operator license from what I understand. I believe in the next decade, and with some federal help, we will be using drones big and small. 

I know it might be shocking, but the FAA moves at the speed of molasses.   So yes, someday drones will operate in close company with manned aircraft.   But for the time being (and for some good reason--mainly communications guarantees), drones and manned aircraft don't play closely.  

Happy St. Patrick's Day!

 

CLE: Fight. 50 Public Square. RTA and CPD officers reporting a large fight. Sounds like it broke up after a "guy got stomped" and police were pulling up.

^Isn't 50 Public Square Terminal Tower?  That would be an easier address for dispatch to give out than 50 Public Square!

CPD's "no chase" policy does send the wrong message to criminals.  In this case, police did chase and it ended successfully--one person caught, other got away, but hopefully they'll get the other person through the person caught.  Not sure why someone being chased think they're better off on foot than in a car, though!:

 

 

"Patrol officers then spotted the stolen car and began chasing it. Someone in the car fired shots at police, but then, the people inside got out and ran. Police quickly arrested one suspect: just 14 years old...."

 

https://fox8.com/news/i-team/watch-shots-fired-at-cleveland-police-during-chase/

Ugh....Two people shot to death at a diner on Detroit in Edgewater late Sunday night. Two people arrested.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2021/03/two-arrested-in-shootout-that-left-two-dead-at-cleveland-diner-gunmen-wounded-police-say.html

 

 

This is really countywide, but will predominantly affect the largest city, Cleveland

 

 

 

Battery Park area

 

11 minutes ago, KJP said:

Battery Park area

 

 

Looks like it was a 'grilling accident' 

https://fox8.com/news/one-injured-during-fire-in-clevelands-battery-park-area/

Turns it was 30 shootings over the weekend. Are enough of us upset about it yet?

 

On 6/8/2021 at 11:18 AM, KJP said:

Turns it was 30 shootings over the weekend. Are enough of us upset about it yet?

 

We need to figure out a way to heal these communities/youth. It's going to take time and INTENSE effort from a competent government. Media and the internet are toxic. You should see the music videos that are being produced in our own backyards. They incriminate themselves but it's cool to show off that way, it's only getting cooler. Everyone is carrying around that shouldn't be. If you're interested in watching some of these music videos: PLZDROPTHAT/Record216 produces many of the videos for these Cleveland folk: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM1yC4mf5TvIfnjCKzIltlQ 

 

LaFlexico (affiliated with Heartless Felons and based on the West Side of Cleveland) is one of the more popular crews where a bunch of members were just indicted for the Tremont shootings last year.

Edited June 9, 20214 yr by downtownjoe
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Until the culture changes, nothing will change.

On 6/8/2021 at 11:18 AM, KJP said:

Turns it was 30 shootings over the weekend. Are enough of us upset about it yet?

 

 

Too bad.  I was considering voting for him.   Now I'm not.

32 minutes ago, downtownjoe said:

We need to figure out a way to heal these communities/youth.

 

The city alone can't do it.  It has to be at the county (juvenile court) and state level.

 

Some like to say that jobs are the key, but by the time these kids are old enough to be employed they are unemployable.

 

It's going to have to be assertive diversion.

heres a couple country music videos with more malicious use of guns.  While we are at freaking out about black culture making music videos withguns, maybe we can fix rural USA too. 

 

 

2 hours ago, BelievelandD1 said:

heres a couple country music videos with more malicious use of guns.  While we are at freaking out about black culture making music videos withguns, maybe we can fix rural USA too. 

 

 

I only reference these videos because LaFlexico and many members of the group have been arrested and charged with various crimes. These kids build clout through these videos and are actually out in the streets living the life they’re portraying in the videos. That is 100% related to an influx in shootings.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2021/03/indictment-says-tremont-clark-fulton-shootings-tied-to-laflexico-gang.html?outputType=amp

 

If there are rural people coming up to Cleveland and shooting each other and recording their lifestyles in videos, I’d be just as concerned. I’m concerned about Cleveland because that is where I live. These shootings don’t directly effect me but they effect a lot of people and it’s beyond sad. I am more than open to criticism on how to speak about this issue more effectively or correctly but we have to acknowledge the issue in Cleveland with increased violence and organized crime participation. It’s been happening for years now. 

I get what you are saying. I would argue the videos are not pertinent to the crime.  The videos are just a reflection of the actual sad lives these kids are living, but I don’t think they elevate the crime.  The crime likely happens with or without the videos.

 

no easy answer. My point was if we aren’t going to be intimidated by guns in Toby Keith videos, we shouldn’t be by the la Flexico gang. I’ve lived in the city for ten years now. It’s easy to get hooked into Facebook crime pages, locked in on what’s going on and then it consumes you.  I’ve adopted the the out of sight out of mind mentality. I haven’t felt unsafe or needed a weapon to defend myself on either side of the city. Unless as a resident you are working with block clubs, CDO, community and police for solutions...there’s really not a point to following this stuff. 

16 hours ago, downtownjoe said:

I only reference these videos because LaFlexico and many members of the group have been arrested and charged with various crimes. These kids build clout through these videos and are actually out in the streets living the life they’re portraying in the videos. That is 100% related to an influx in shootings.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2021/03/indictment-says-tremont-clark-fulton-shootings-tied-to-laflexico-gang.html?outputType=amp

 

If there are rural people coming up to Cleveland and shooting each other and recording their lifestyles in videos, I’d be just as concerned. I’m concerned about Cleveland because that is where I live. These shootings don’t directly effect me but they effect a lot of people and it’s beyond sad. I am more than open to criticism on how to speak about this issue more effectively or correctly but we have to acknowledge the issue in Cleveland with increased violence and organized crime participation. It’s been happening for years now. 

 

Hell, you can mix the genres quite well.

 

 

But something tells me Keith, Lee, and Jones aren't using them the same way the others are.