2 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

You actually have to be trained in doing the pit maneuver to utilize it. No one outside of the traffic guys in Cleveland are trained. 

None of this is surprising, other than the fact that we have "traffic guys" in Cleveland.   I never see them!  LOL 

4 hours ago, Cleburger said:

So Columbus had the will.    And the helicopter and coordination. 
 

 

And no federal "oversight".

Just now, E Rocc said:

 

And no federal "oversight".

Would the Feds really object to Cleveland PD arresting people for taking over intersections?  

 

I've worked with a LOT of unions in my day, and this feels like one of those situations where someone got slapped so they are all sitting on their hands claiming they can't do anything out of spite. 

27 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

Would the Feds really object to Cleveland PD arresting people for taking over intersections?  

 

I've worked with a LOT of unions in my day, and this feels like one of those situations where someone got slapped so they are all sitting on their hands claiming they can't do anything out of spite. 

 

Well the chief of police is saying it would be "unconstitutional" to pen in drivers, presumably she got that dubious idea from somewhere.

 

Edit:  Could they have picked a less flattering picture of Bibb for the Signal Cleveland article?   He truly looks like Urkel.

Edited October 9, 2024Oct 9 by E Rocc

2 arrests made so far. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/2nd-arrest-arson-charge-street-194447963.html

Two adults and one juvenile arrested for the W. 25 street takeover on September 15. They hailed from the rough and tumble, crime-ridden streets of (*drumroll*) Barberton and Norton.

 

Just goes to show you can't rely on stereotypes for these things. 😜

 

 

Another one in the neighborhood:

https://www.cleveland19.com/2024/10/14/man-woman-shot-inside-car-clevelands-east-side/

 

Side story:  someone posted about this on one of the Euclid crime watch pages.   Someone else completely conflated Lakeshore and the Waterloo Arts district which are a good half mile apart, then tried to "correct" me when I pointed this out.  I think it was the same person which incorrectly called my hangout bar a "problem".   Place is pretty much the opposite of one, it closes at 11pm and it's reasonably close knit.   Reminds me of where I used to work.

 

I still have a largely suburban mindset but sometimes I really see where you all are coming from about such LOL.

On 10/11/2024 at 4:38 PM, LlamaLawyer said:

Two adults and one juvenile arrested for the W. 25 street takeover on September 15. They hailed from the rough and tumble, crime-ridden streets of (*drumroll*) Barberton and Norton.

 

Just goes to show you can't rely on stereotypes for these things. 😜

 

 

Or they come here because their local PDs are restrained from dealing with them effectively...

Couple of articles about car break-ins in Cleveland. This is particularly bad in Cleveland from what I've observed since moving here, and is not exactly going to encourage people from the suburbs (or elsewhere) to live and visit. 

 

Is anyone safe? Car break-ins continue to plague Ohio City visitors

 

Wave of car break-ins hits Cleveland, as thieves target victims across the city

 

 

1 hour ago, Rustbelter said:

Couple of articles about car break-ins in Cleveland. This is particularly bad in Cleveland from what I've observed since moving here, and is not exactly going to encourage people from the suburbs (or elsewhere) to live and visit. 

 

Is anyone safe? Car break-ins continue to plague Ohio City visitors

 

Wave of car break-ins hits Cleveland, as thieves target victims across the city

 

 

I don't really think these things cause many people to say now I'm not going to Cleveland. I think its probably more people saying that's why I never go to Cleveland from people who don't come anyway. 

 

These things seem to happen in waves. A bunch of car break-ins happen, it gets media attention which gets the police more involved, the police catch them and it goes quite for a while, repeat. 

 

It's also not just Cleveland. Crocker has had break ins, Lakewood continues to have car break ins, Willoughby has been having issues, I even heard about some in North ridgeville last month in a brand new developement. It's unfortunate but I feel like it's talked about on and off every year.

These kind of break-ins are actually quite serious. Not from a crime perspective but from a pr perception. And the police treating them as if they are nothing more than a nuisance only leads to people leaving and taking their money with them. Nothing turns people off like this kind of crime unless it the taking over of streets like we've seen recently. People can live anywhere and they're less likely to live where they have to put up with this crap. 

 

In the grand scheme of things this kind of crime is small potatoes but sometimes it's the little things that decide where to live. The city needs another task force to put an end to this rash of break-ins before all the good vibes lead to hood vibes. 

"lost more than $1,000 when thieves smashed a window and stole items from her car."

 

so she had a bunch of stuff sitting in her car. It sucks she got her stuff stolen, but this is "things not to do in any city in the world 101" stuff.

so she took a shortcut down the alley, a side street, or sat in a near empty train car at night and was sexually assaulted. It sucks she was raped, but this is "things not to do in any city in the world 101" stuff.

 

 

Edited October 15, 2024Oct 15 by TBideon

14 hours ago, TDi said:

I don't really think these things cause many people to say now I'm not going to Cleveland. I think its probably more people saying that's why I never go to Cleveland from people who don't come anyway. 

 

Here's what it does:  when people are going to somewhere outside their usual haunts, be it a club or concert or wherever, they do it in groups.

 

Say it's a group of six suburbanites.  There's usually one that doesn't really want to go somewhere different.   This gives them ammo.

 

I used to hear it all the time working the door:  "Oh, we were going downtown but decided not to" or "We were down there but decided not to stay".   And this was in Bedford, not Hudson or Strongsville.

37 minutes ago, TBideon said:

so she took a shortcut down the alley, a side street, or sat in a near empty train car at night and was sexually assaulted. It sucks she was raped, but this is "things not to do in any city in the world 101" stuff.

 

Blaming the victim is always toxic.

 

The Genghis Khan parable about the maiden with a bag of gold in each hand is not practical, but it's not a bad ideal.

43 minutes ago, TBideon said:

so she took a shortcut down the alley, a side street, or sat in a near empty train car at night and was sexually assaulted. It sucks she was raped, but this is "things not to do in any city in the world 101" stuff.

 

 

on a MUCH lighter note, here's a couple pics of Marine 21 from this weekend, ties into the safety part of this forum:

 

 

 

Re: Breakins - my friend left their car unlocked in Detroit Shoreway after getting a window broken multiple times w/nothing visible, unfortunately they've started doing the same on the near east side after two broken windows over there. The victim at (I'm assuming) Planet Fitness is in for a rude awakening if she's expecting any updates from CPD w/stolen property, especially something of such low value, all things considered. 

53 minutes ago, GISguy said:

on a MUCH lighter note, here's a couple pics of Marine 21 from this weekend, ties into the safety part of this forum:

 

 

 

Re: Breakins - my friend left their car unlocked in Detroit Shoreway after getting a window broken multiple times w/nothing visible, unfortunately they've started doing the same on the near east side after two broken windows over there. The victim at (I'm assuming) Planet Fitness is in for a rude awakening if she's expecting any updates from CPD w/stolen property, especially something of such low value, all things considered. 

 

Is it typically called  the Garrett A. Morgan or Marine 21?

 

If the cops are hamstrung from dealing with these parasites sooner or later some intended victims will take matters into their own hands.  I don't think anyone really wants that.

5 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Is it typically called  the Garrett A. Morgan or Marine 21?

 

If you look closer Garrett A. Morgan is up front on the boat - depends on what radio channel you're on for the name hah. It's a pretty awesome looking piece of machinery either way! 

1 minute ago, GISguy said:

 

If you look closer Garrett A. Morgan is up front on the boat - depends on what radio channel you're on for the name hah. It's a pretty awesome looking piece of machinery either way! 

 

When I was a teen my mom took my brother and I out on the Goodtime II on a weekday and we got to watch the fireboat fight a pretty intense structure fire on the riverside.   I never saw anything in the news so I assume it was practice, but it was very impressive.

6 hours ago, cadmen said:

These kind of break-ins are actually quite serious. Not from a crime perspective but from a pr perception. And the police treating them as if they are nothing more than a nuisance only leads to people leaving and taking their money with them. Nothing turns people off like this kind of crime unless it the taking over of streets like we've seen recently. People can live anywhere and they're less likely to live where they have to put up with this crap. 

 

In the grand scheme of things this kind of crime is small potatoes but sometimes it's the little things that decide where to live. The city needs another task force to put an end to this rash of break-ins before all the good vibes lead to hood vibes. 

This is absolutely true, and I've seen multiple occasions in last last year since moving to Cleveland where large numbers of cars have been broken into and the problem is brought up frequently on social media. In Ohio City, Downtown, Little Italy, and apparently Cleveland Heights too. Have not heard about this happening in Lakewood. I lived in Chicago for years and didn't see this level of break-ins there, and it's not exactly a city known for low crime. 

 

7 hours ago, Jax said:

"lost more than $1,000 when thieves smashed a window and stole items from her car."

 

so she had a bunch of stuff sitting in her car. It sucks she got her stuff stolen, but this is "things not to do in any city in the world 101" stuff.

Yes this is foolish but I have also heard of many cases where the thief does $300 worth of damage to only end up taking $2 worth of change hidden in the center counsel. These people are breaking into cars en mass, not just those where people are blatantly leaving valuables out in clear sight.

This is as good a spot as any:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/10/16/stealth_edit_fbi_quietly_revises_violent_crime_stats_1065396.html

The conservative spin machines are pumping and pushing the fear/crime articles - must be a big election soon.

 

Meanwhile...

 

 

Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Clefan98

32 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

This is as good a spot as any:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/10/16/stealth_edit_fbi_quietly_revises_violent_crime_stats_1065396.html

Thank you. Is a great example why we should question rosey data put out before a close election. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Willo said:

Thank you. Is a great example why we should question rosey data put out before a close election. 

 

 

 

Crime is still down. The recent revisions only reduced the violent crime rate in 2023 from 3% to 1.6%. This is essentially a "nothing burger" that conservative voices are trying to amplify, making it seem like a significant trend when, in reality, the overall decrease in crime remains unchanged. The data doesn't support the narrative of a crime wave; it's just a statistical adjustment

15 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Crime is still down. The recent revisions only reduced the violent crime rate in 2023 from 3% to 1.6%. This is essentially a "nothing burger" that conservative voices are trying to amplify, making it seem like a significant trend when, in reality, the overall decrease in crime remains unchanged. The data doesn't support the narrative of a crime wave; it's just a statistical adjustment

Their phrasing was confusing, but I think you have this backwards. Revising the 2022 numbers up would make the decrease from 2022 to 2023 larger not smaller. 

 

"Without the increase, the drop in violent crime in 2023 would have been less than half as large – only 1.6% instead of the reported drop of 3.5%."

 

Per the FBIs comment it looks like they revised 2022's numbers when they released 2023 making the decrease look larger than the numbers they had previously released would indicate. "The 2022 violent crime rate has been updated for inclusion in CIUS, 2023" that's the only interpretation that makes sense to me. 

 

28 minutes ago, Ethan said:

Their phrasing was confusing, but I think you have this backwards. Revising the 2022 numbers up would make the decrease from 2022 to 2023 larger not smaller. 

 

"Without the increase, the drop in violent crime in 2023 would have been less than half as large – only 1.6% instead of the reported drop of 3.5%."

 

Per the FBIs comment it looks like they revised 2022's numbers when they released 2023 making the decrease look larger than the numbers they had previously released would indicate. "The 2022 violent crime rate has been updated for inclusion in CIUS, 2023" that's the only interpretation that makes sense to me. 

 

 

So will the 2023 numbers change when the 2024 are released?

19 hours ago, Rustbelter said:

 

Yes this is foolish but I have also heard of many cases where the thief does $300 worth of damage to only end up taking $2 worth of change hidden in the center counsel. These people are breaking into cars en mass, not just those where people are blatantly leaving valuables out in clear sight.

 

oh for sure. I am grateful I somehow avoided getting broken into last year when 40 cars were hit in one night on w7. unfortunately it's the occasional jackpots like this that reinforce them. I wonder if people are leaving stuff in their cars more in Cleveland relative to other cities. no real way to know I suppose. a PSA campaign to educate/remind people might be helpful. 

 

1 hour ago, Jax said:

 

oh for sure. I am grateful I somehow avoided getting broken into last year when 40 cars were hit in one night on w7. unfortunately it's the occasional jackpots like this that reinforce them. I wonder if people are leaving stuff in their cars more in Cleveland relative to other cities. no real way to know I suppose. a PSA campaign to educate/remind people might be helpful. 

 

 

A few bait cars being closely observed might help too, if not for the fact that the juvie judges let them right back out.

3 hours ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Crime is still down. The recent revisions only reduced the violent crime rate in 2023 from 3% to 1.6%. This is essentially a "nothing burger" that conservative voices are trying to amplify, making it seem like a significant trend when, in reality, the overall decrease in crime remains unchanged. The data doesn't support the narrative of a crime wave; it's just a statistical adjustment

 

This article is ridiculous. On top of admitting the FBI data still shows a drop in crime, it goes on the use things like the NCVS, which is just INTERVIEWING PEOPLE to extrapolate how much crime occurs, to "prove" violent crime is actually up by over 50% instead of down 1-3%.

 

They also toss out the "also lots of crimes go unreported" as if that only started happening in 2023.... which it didnt, so its entirely irrelevant. 

Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by daybreaker

4 minutes ago, daybreaker said:

 

This article is ridiculous. On top of admitting the FBI data still shows a drop in crime, it goes on the use things like the NCVS, which is just INTERVIEWING PEOPLE to extrapolate how much crime occurs, to "prove" violent crime is actually up by over 50% instead of down 1-3%.

 

They also toss out the "also lots of crimes go unreported" as if that only started happening in 2023.... which it didnt, so its entirely irrelevant. 

 

The article is complete BS, but unfortunately effective, largely because so many people lack the skills needed to properly interpret misleading or skewed data.

Here are perfect charts showing reality vs delusion:

 

 

Endlessly discussing and sharing hollow crime and fear-mongering opinion articles is more than just cringe worthy, it subtly corrodes the fabric of our society, and lowers the quality of discourse. It feeds a cycle where fear is now eclipsing reality. Give it up already.

Edited October 16, 2024Oct 16 by Clefan98

Councilwoman Spencer reports that CPD arrested three boys, ages 14, 16 and 17 for breaking into 14 cars in Detroit-Shoreway. There also have been a slew of car break-ins in Tremont, but it isn't known yet if these losers were the culprits. 

1 minute ago, KJP said:

Councilwoman Spencer reports that CPD arrested three boys, ages 14, 16 and 17 for breaking into 14 cars in Detroit-Shoreway. There also have been a slew of car break-ins in Tremont, but it isn't known yet if these losers were the culprits. 

My nephew's car was broken into in Tremont about a month ago.  He thought it was kids but did not know for sure.  He was parked in his driveway and stupidly did not lock his car.  The downstairs tenant was parked right behind him and his locked car was not touched.  Hopefully lesson learned

13 hours ago, KJP said:

Councilwoman Spencer reports that CPD arrested three boys, ages 14, 16 and 17 for breaking into 14 cars in Detroit-Shoreway. There also have been a slew of car break-ins in Tremont, but it isn't known yet if these losers were the culprits. 

 

One of them is already released, with a GPS monitor, as per WTAM.

Edited October 17, 2024Oct 17 by E Rocc

16 hours ago, Htsguy said:

My nephew's car was broken into in Tremont about a month ago.  He thought it was kids but did not know for sure.  He was parked in his driveway and stupidly did not lock his car.  The downstairs tenant was parked right behind him and his locked car was not touched.  Hopefully lesson learned

Some people are purposely leaving their cars unlocked and removing valuables so that the windows are not broken.  

8 minutes ago, willyboy said:

Some people are purposely leaving their cars unlocked and removing valuables so that the windows are not broken.  

My nephew was apparently not that bright. His car was unlocked and he had a number of valuables in the car, including something work related that could have gotten him in a lot of trouble with his boss, but the guy, fortunately let it go.  Quite frankly, I have never understood people who leave valuables in cars. Basically, I have jumper cables in my trunk and a plastic gas can, a little bit of change in my glove compartment for parking meters and my sunglasses. In fact, I’m starting to think maybe I should take my sunglasses out of the car since they aren’t that cheap. Of course, none of this is important if they actually want the car itself.

26 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

My nephew was apparently not that bright. His car was unlocked and he had a number of valuables in the car, including something work related that could have gotten him in a lot of trouble with his boss, but the guy, fortunately let it go.  Quite frankly, I have never understood people who leave valuables in cars. Basically, I have jumper cables in my trunk and a plastic gas can, a little bit of change in my glove compartment for parking meters and my sunglasses. In fact, I’m starting to think maybe I should take my sunglasses out of the car since they aren’t that cheap. Of course, none of this is important if they actually want the car itself.

Actually in thinking about this it must be hard times for crackheads breaking into cars.   Not many CD players in cars any more, and parking meters are all going digital so less and less change in cars. 

Criminals are bashing cars to terrorize people and, maybe, steal a radio or package incidentally. Doesn't matter if you lock doors or not, the animals are out to harm you, not help themselves. 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2024Oct 17 by TBideon

To borrow the 'outside agitators' rhetoric from the church festival issues earlier this year...another person arrested another person not from Cleveland.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2024/10/port-clinton-woman-arrested-accused-of-promoting-cleveland-street-takeover.html

Or, hear me out, we just leave the potholes after winter next year.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/11/cleveland-to-begin-street-milling-with-hopes-of-deterring-street-takeovers-police-say.html

Homicides continue to drop in Cleveland, as violent deaths have declined 37% over last year

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio – Slayings in Cleveland continue to drop, as the city has had just five in the past six weeks.

Last year, there were 15 during that time.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/11/homicides-continue-to-drop-in-cleveland-as-violent-deaths-have-declined-37-over-last-year.html

'Several hundred' juveniles caused disturbance after WinterLand tree-lighting

 

This city literally can't help itself, it's frankly pathetic. 

I was at the tree lighting event.  It was all around a really great experience and even with how cold it was it was packed with people.  I especially noticed a ton of families down there with their kids which was great to see. It was one of the best fireworks shows I have seen. The city did a great job in terms of security too, everyone I talked to and was with said they felt the same.  In terms of the "disturbance" it was just a bunch of kids hanging out on public square well after the event . The police decided it was time for people to go home so they disbursed them and that was it.  The media just couldn't help itself in trying to find something negative to write about Cleveland per usual. Dont let them paint a false picture of what was a great night for the City of Cleveland. 

^ it seems like the City learned its lesson from last year then, because that sounds like what preceded the violence last year. Kudos to the police and City for wise preventative action. 

30 minutes ago, Ethan said:

^ it seems like the City learned its lesson from last year then, because that sounds like what preceded the violence last year. Kudos to the police and City for wise preventative action. 

 

A couple of my wife's friends are already talking about how "abhorrent the racial profiling" was at the event. Her one friend said, and I quote "it ruined the event for me..."

 

Apparently they're not alone. I'm no longer on Facebook but I've heard it's been a hot bed of equivocating the police's sensible actions with Stop and Frisk

5 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

A couple of my wife's friends are already talking about how "abhorrent the racial profiling" was at the event. Her one friend said, and I quote "it ruined the event for me..."

 

Apparently they're not alone. I'm no longer on Facebook but I've heard it's been a hot bed of equivocating the police's sensible actions with Stop and Frisk

From what I saw there was a large group of kids still on public square well after the event. That group started fighting and the police closed down public square to everyone shortly after.  With the incident that happened last year following a group fighting on public square well after the event I think what they did this year was warranted.  To call it anything else seems like a reach in my opinion.

We went to the tree lighting and, as others have said, it was great, lots of families and went off without a hitch. We didn’t hang around afterwards due to the cold, but around 8.15 we did see a scuffle break about amongst a few kids on Euclid, around 668. The cops went straight in and broke it up appropriately. 

Separately, I take my daughter to the WSM every Saturday morning. We stopped at Gypsy Beans beforehand this week. 

 

When we got there, police were outside interviewing people as, apparently, a group of young men were driving around, slowing their car down next to pedestrians, and pulling a spray painted fake gun on them. From what I gathered, it'd happened to 4-5 different groups of people - and one young lady appeared to have special needs and was quite shaken by it all.