^Looks like somebody will be reassigned to North Dakota..... ;)

Anyone know how many homicides there have been this year? I want to see if last year's lower number was just a fluke. According to crime reports, there have been 26 since February 2nd.

What the hell is going on?  This has to stop.

 

Fatal home invasion on Cleveland's west side

 

CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) - A 40-year-old Cleveland man killed in a violent home invasion on the city's west side.

 

Police were called to a home on Walton Avenue around 8:45AM. The girlfriend told police her boyfriend was shot and stabbed while lying in bed. He was pronounced dead on the scene.

 

The suspect climbed in the victim's home through a window, attacked the man and stole property before fleeing through the back door.

 

 

http://www.19actionnews.com/story/15192017/home-invasion

 

 

Where is this. Tremont?

Its west of Tremont, South of OC.  its a cryin shame.

Where is this. Tremont?

 

Clark Metro

Eesh.  I get my drugs from that Walgreens over there.

Got off the shoreway in Ohio City yesterday evening, only to be greeted by a naked man in the middle of the W. 25th street. He was just kind of flaunting himself and shouting nonsense. There was an ambulance parked nearby, but none of the paramedics seemed at all interested in getting out.  I'm not really sure how this all ended.

Sweet.  Im sure the everyday suburban would want to come back down to OC after seeing that.

Gotta love the diversity of Ohio City!  :-o (or not)

I don't really get what happened here. Why was someone shot lying in bed sleeping? I mean, if you were on drugs, wouldn't you just want to steal whatever and get out? Why start by shooting someone?

I don't really get what happened here. Why was someone shot lying in bed sleeping? I mean, if you were on drugs, wouldn't you just want to steal whatever and get out? Why start by shooting someone?

 

well, maybe the shooter actually was on drugs at the time...

Or maybe the full story behind all this has yet to come to light.  Most acts of violence, especially those involving deadly force, are not random.

Sweet.  Im sure the everyday suburban would want to come back down to OC after seeing that.

 

Who cares what suburbanites think?  This was a terrible crime, how about what the people of THIS community think and feel? At time people on this forum make comments that I translate into, "The surburbanites are where the money is and their thoughts and feelings should be first and foremost".  In this situation that is exactly how your comment comes across to me.  If that is not your intent, then perhaps you can explain in greater detail.

 

Without knowing why the person was there, how do you jump to that conclussion?  Could this person be mentally ill, dememtia/Alzheimers?

 

 

Got off the shoreway in Ohio City yesterday evening, only to be greeted by a naked man in the middle of the W. 25th street. He was just kind of flaunting himself and shouting nonsense. There was an ambulance parked nearby, but none of the paramedics seemed at all interested in getting out.  I'm not really sure how this all ended.

 

Did you call the police or 9-1-1?  Video tape it?

It matters because the news didn't report the WHY behind it, just that it's "another" violent crime occurring in Cleveland. It doesn't help the city's image. That is important to the whole region, no matter where people live.

^^

Video tape it? Funny.

 

Read. There were paramedics there.

^^^I think Believeland was only referring to the naked man in the street and not the murder.  If you called 911 every time you saw a disturbed person in Ohio City you'd be pretty busy. 

Also, crimes like this have been becoming much more commonplace for the west side as of late..  and we all know how suburbanites generalize locations within the city.

 

Reality is, these neighborhoods don't have a chance of coming back, or in most cases will further slide, if people from outside the city are unwilling to come in (for a visit let alone consider ever moving back (due to the senseless crimes that have been happening)), and those that are still there are going to continue to move out (sometimes bringing those problems with them).

 

I just know that many of the neighborhoods on the west side that were "more stable" when I left Cleve., have become somewhat unlivable now.  There are very few exceptions.       

^^^I think Believeland was only referring to the naked man in the street and not the murder.  If you called 911 every time you saw a disturbed person in Ohio City you'd be pretty busy. 

Thats why I asked that question.  There must be more to this than "just" a naked man.  When information is not complete, speculation sets in. 

 

 

It matters because the news didn't report the WHY behind it, just that it's "another" violent crime occurring in Cleveland. It doesn't help the city's image. That is important to the whole region, no matter where people live.

We're getting to the same point, but the way people view things is exactly what I'm talking about.  Why should suburbanites not those that live in the City view point be more important?

Why should you feel the need to divide up the region like that at all? We are all Clevelanders. It's not like surburban people never come downtown or to any region of the city. They work and shop and dine there every single day and are a huge part of the economic engine keeping those areas going. So it's important to ALL CLEVELANDERS. Stop dividing everyone up into urban and suburban and one is important and the other is not. It's not doing the region any favors.

Why should you feel the need to divide up the region like that at all? We are all Clevelanders. It's not like surburban people never come downtown or to any region of the city. They work and shop and dine there every single day and are a huge part of the economic engine keeping those areas going. So it's important to ALL CLEVELANDERS. Stop dividing everyone up into urban and suburban and one is important and the other is not. It's not doing the region any favors.

 

I didn't, someone else made the comment.  BUT THAT IS MY POINT!

Why should you feel the need to divide up the region like that at all? We are all Clevelanders. It's not like surburban people never come downtown or to any region of the city. They work and shop and dine there every single day and are a huge part of the economic engine keeping those areas going. So it's important to ALL CLEVELANDERS. Stop dividing everyone up into urban and suburban and one is important and the other is not. It's not doing the region any favors.

 

Suburban people dine and shop downtown every day?  Maybe YOU do, but you're not every suburban person.  Maybe when over half my suburban office stops talking crap about downtown and are proud of not having even been down there in 10 years then people won't have a chip on their shoulder about what many suburbanites think about the city.

Who do you think is eating at the overflowing restaurants on E 4th and in the Warehouse district every day? All these people that work downtown, most of them do not live in the City.

Also, crimes like this have been becoming much more commonplace for the west side as of late..  and we all know how suburbanites generalize locations within the city.

 

Reality is, these neighborhoods don't have a chance of coming back, or in most cases will further slide, if people from outside the city are unwilling to come in (for a visit let alone consider ever moving back (due to the senseless crimes that have been happening)), and those that are still there are going to continue to move out (sometimes bringing those problems with them).

 

I just know that many of the neighborhoods on the west side that were "more stable" when I left Cleve., have become somewhat unlivable now.  There are very few exceptions.       

 

I know less than I should about the westside.  And I know there have been some 'changes' over there.  But are there statistics to back up the notion that violent crime or just crime in general has significantly increased?

I do not shop and dine downtown EVERY day, but I do spend my money parking there every day :)  I try to bring my lunch when I can to save money, but I eat lunch downtown at least twice a week. I just bought a purse a couple of weeks ago at Tower City, and shopped there again yesterday and spent $60 at the closing Borders store. I don't think I am atypical at all.

I do not shop and dine downtown EVERY day, but I do spend my money parking there every day :)  I try to bring my lunch when I can to save money, but I eat lunch downtown at least twice a week. I just bought a purse a couple of weeks ago at Tower City, and shopped there again yesterday and spent $60 at the closing Borders store. I don't think I am atypical at all.

 

You absolutely are atypical (and that's a complement to you).  I have worked at two suburban offices, and I would say 75% of the people I have worked with won't go downtown unless they are absolutely forced to, and probably nearly half haven't been downtown in years.  Many suburbanites won't go downtown at all if they don't work downtown.

As a former resident of Cleveland, I know I got sick of the BS that routinely occurs right there where Mr. Nude was dancing in the street.  That intersection is a problem, both from a traffic standpoint (people run the stop sign at the top of W25th and Washington all the time) and an "idiot" standpoint.  When the swing bridge shut down (which provided relief from having to go through there) it got real old, real fast.  Anyway, I moved...and while I enjoyed living there I won't be moving back until this type of thing gets cleaned up.  And if I randomly come down to check it out and see the same old, same old...then I will know nothing has changed.

 

And yes, I called, sent letters/emails, organized neighborhood assoiciations, etc.  There are many residents who care.  The problem, IMO, is the City of Cleveland leaders are one level better than worthless.  Residents can't do it by themselves.  It's not like neighbors of Anthony Sewell were keeping their mouth shut; the city did nothing about it.

I know less than I should about the westside.  And I know there have been some 'changes' over there.  But are there statistics to back up the notion that violent crime or just crime in general has significantly increased?

 

I question this as well.  It seems that when there is a murder on the west side, people say "that just didn't used to happen over here", but I seem to recall these types of crimes happening on the west side 15 years ago, so I'm wondering if it's just perception.

Deadly home invasion was not a random crime; Police say suspect knew victim

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/deadly-home-invasion-was-not-a-random-crime-police-say-suspect-knew-victim

I think it's too broad of a statement to brand "surburbanites" as people who WORK in a suburb. Surely there are people from downtown or OC or whatever who work there too. I think "surburbanites" are people who LIVE in the surburb. I mean, if it's where you work, than I am an URBANITE and people on the board should get off my back :)

 

I saw a ton of people shopping and dining at all the food trucks and little shops on Tuesday on the square as well, and I see them every friday at the farmer's market. People who both LIVE and WORK in the suburbs are honestly a relatively small slice of Clevleanders I think.

 

I would love to get a job in the suburbs for 1 reason and 1 reason only- I would save hundreds of dollars a year on parking. And I would probably save even more as I would eat out a lot less, the restaurants in suburban locations are not a temptation. But I would miss dining downtown. A lot. I don't get to go out for dinner like EVER so I would be one of those people talking about how I hadnt' been downtown in ages if I worked in a suburb.

 

But even when I didn't work downtown, I was younger, and came downtown every weekend to party. I just don't know very many people who never go downtown for any reason. Everyone comes downtown for sporting events, and it seems like there's one of those every freaking day. And concerts.

Did you call the police or 9-1-1?  Video tape it?

 

:-D

 

Did you call the police or 9-1-1?  Video tape it?

 

:-D

 

Why is this shocking?  In the YOUTUBE generation, this isn't uncommon.

Did you call the police or 9-1-1?  Video tape it?

 

:-D

 

 

No, no, no.  For MTS, the appropriate response would be -

 

Why can't I get enough of that woodchuck/squirrel?

 

It's....mesmerizing.....

Why can't I get enough of that woodchuck/squirrel?

 

It's....mesmerizing.....

Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd

I know less than I should about the westside.  And I know there have been some 'changes' over there.  But are there statistics to back up the notion that violent crime or just crime in general has significantly increased?

 

I question this as well.  It seems that when there is a murder on the west side, people say "that just didn't used to happen over here", but I seem to recall these types of crimes happening on the west side 15 years ago, so I'm wondering if it's just perception.

 

It pretty much goes without saying that when inner-city neighborhoods go from the stable factory worker neighborhoods of the 50's and 60's to the mass exodus and finally dying off off its semi-original home owners to a high transitional/low ownership level/high unemployment/economically disadvantaged and increasingly diverse neighborhood that there is going to be a corresponding increase in crime.  There are probably thousands of studies that back this up..  Many done on Cleveland neighborhoods.

 

Its strange to me when people that have lived there don't recognize some of the changes that I can so clearly see when back on visits and exploring neighborhoods that I used to study... The difference is usually pretty blatant to me.  Others in my "Cleveland Club" in DC always make the same observations, as do people that have moved farther out that don't see things on a daily basis. 

 

I think when it comes to the crime increases, the type of crime and when the neighborhood declined usually goes hand in hand.  For example (and the good news), is that places like Tremont, Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway have actually seen slight declines in violent crime from 2000 - 2010, where pretty much every other west side neighborhood has seen increases (the ones that were most recently still stable), like Clark Fulton, Brooklyn Center and Cudell.  In fact Clark Fulton's violent crime rate has gone up nearly 40% during the 2000-2010 period. 

 

All west side neighborhoods had increases in non violent crimes (such as robberies) during this period, which doesn't surprise me at all.  Some more than others.

I guess a key point is that it has dispersed greatly in the last 10-20 years.  So crimes you were seeing in Cudell 10 years ago, you are seeing in Edgewater and even Lakewood now (this has been blamed on a dispersment of drug culture/activity as well as the general change in socio-economic and racial structure that has permeated the west side. 

 

There are many resources for looking at such information.  Neighborhood Link (NHLink) from Cleveland State has many options and then there's NEO-CANDO from Case (good for doing quik searches and neighborhood comparisons. 

 

Also, keep in mind that neighborhoods that turn into crime hotspots, turn into a way of life for those that live in them (or the norm in a sense), so it does matter how those outside of them see them, since it typically takes the individuals with means, the ones that have already left for greener pastures, to come in to patronize and support efforts to rejuvenate....  Thus, as MTS says what about the people in them.... I'm pretty sure they are aware of (and used to) the crime that is going on around them, likely thats part of the problem.                       

^^^I think Believeland was only referring to the naked man in the street and not the murder.  If you called 911 every time you saw a disturbed person in Ohio City you'd be pretty busy. 

Thats why I asked that question.  There must be more to this than "just" a naked man.  When information is not complete, speculation sets in. 

 

 

It matters because the news didn't report the WHY behind it, just that it's "another" violent crime occurring in Cleveland. It doesn't help the city's image. That is important to the whole region, no matter where people live.

We're getting to the same point, but the way people view things is exactly what I'm talking about.  Why should suburbanites not those that live in the City view point be more important?

 

yeah, just talkin about the naked guy.  i certainly dont care what the suburbanites think...but i do want them in the neighborhoods.  I dont think naked people running around helps. But hey, clearly i know nothing

Mayor Frank Jackson quashes new social media ordinance aimed at killing flash mobs

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Mayor Frank Jackson -- in his first veto since taking office in 2006 -- quashed legislation aimed at putting the kibosh on flash mobs that cause trouble.

 

.................................

 

Jackson, in a letter to council last week, said he was sympathetic to the goal of the legislation. "However, like any criminal prohibition, the law needs to be narrowly tailored to combat the illegal activity, be an effective deterrent to wrongdoers, and not unduly interfere with the rights of law-abiding citizens," he wrote.

 

Andrea Taylor, Jackson's press secretary, said it was the first time Jackson used his veto power.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/08/mayor_frank_jackson_quashes_ne.html

 

A pretty bad mugging outside Dave's in Shaker Square on Monday at 11pm according to a resident nearby who I just spoke with.

A pretty bad mugging outside Dave's in Shaker Square on Monday at 11pm according to a resident nearby who I just spoke with.

 

The only thing that pops up from searching shaker square as of now is this from 4 days ago.

 

http://www.woio.com/story/15230186/cops-and-swat-have-cleveland-motel-surrounded

 

Doesnt mean I dont believe you. Could very well be true.

A pretty bad mugging outside Dave's in Shaker Square on Monday at 11pm according to a resident nearby who I just spoke with.

 

Really?  My cousin and his fiance haven't heard a thing.  My parents haven't heard anything.  Neither have my neighbors.

I question this as well.  It seems that when there is a murder on the west side, people say "that just didn't used to happen over here", but I seem to recall these types of crimes happening on the west side 15 years ago, so I'm wondering if it's just perception.

Additionally, violent crime in perceived neighborhoods get a lot more attention than the usual run down hotbeds of crime. It seems the local news usually goes:

 

*Tragedy is (nonspecific suburb) as (Victim) is shot/stabbed/abducted by (Criminal). A memorial scholarship has been set up in (Victim)'s name at local fifth third bank locations. (With a 3 minute video segment)

-or-

*AnothershootingatBuckeyeandeast117th,victimtakentometro,nosuspectapprehended. (all one word because of how fast it is read, and with a police mugshot)

 

 

And sadly thatch how it goes. Where everyone should matter equally importantly, much of the 'expected crime' gets glossed over pretty quickly for more sensational stories. Additionally the residents "good neighborhoods" are more likely to hold candlelight vigils, or invest personal time in helping to fix/solve the problem... and that always gets a second play on the news.

 

I think we all agree that we cant have incidents such as last night in Ohio City if the city is going to continue to try and attract people.  Granted it was 230 AM and there seems to be motive, it just cant happen.  So that makes me inquire, what are peoples thoughts on these lounges?  Are they needed in our neighborhoods?  They seem to only attract trouble.  It seems like the club owner did his diligence by closing immediately and calling the police.  What is it about certain businesses that attract clientele that look for trouble?

Strangely this particular business was recently held up as an example of a hip-hop club that hasnt had the type of incidents that people want to associate with them (and its the same everywhere). 

Call me a cynic, but its obviously just part of the culture of the people that they cater to, so no I wouldnt want this type of business anywhere near me.   

I was searching for info on this place and came across the following article:

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hZE9BnoHEZgJ:www.plainpress.org/html/stories/2008-11/envyfightsforsurvival.htm+envy+lounge+cleveland&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

The link from Google search didn't work, but the cached version was still available.

 

It's hard to believe the place is still open.  I'll bet it closes down real soon now.

One thing I have always taken issue with is how nightclubs and bars simply push the troublemakers out the door to shed blood on the street.  When I worked security in college, we were trained to simply get the fight as far away from the club as possible and anything that went on from there was none of our business, nor were we to make it any of our business.  Club owners also have an interest in minimizing police responses, so calling the cops to de-escalate the situation is not a preferred option.  You make money off these folks getting them all rowdy and liqoured up, and then you just release them to the public streets to cause mayhem.

"According to Miskin, the most powerful forces aligned against him are racism and the financial interests of those who are heavily invested in the economic development of the Ohio City area. This has resulted in adversely differential treatment by the City of Cleveland for his bar, which primarily serves a minority clientele, he said. “Ohio City is developing and if you are not the white, yuppie type of establishment, they do not want you,” said Miskin.

 

In their fight against what Miskin views as discriminatory treatment, unfair community opposition, and a three-pronged legal attack (a charge of operating an illegal dance club, an objection to a renewal of the club’s liquor license tendered by Ward 14 Councilman Joe Santiago, and a pending eviction action by a new landlord), Miskin and his partner, Davorin Stenanovic, have retained the services of Terry Gilbert, a prominent local civil rights attorney."

 

I dont know how many times I have seen this type of statement used, and call it what you will, but it is ALWAYS the same outcome....  Its just too bad that it amounts to profiling or being defined as racism. 

 

 

This is obviously a terrible incident, but hopefully now they will get their liquor license revoked and that will be the end of it. I'm not always a huge Cimperman fan, but he moved quickly in getting Club Allure's license revoked a couple of months ago when they had their shooting. Hopefully, this place's fate will be the same.

I just can't think of an answer to type here that doesn't sound racist, when that isn't my intent at all.

 

"Ohio City is developing and if you are not the white, yuppie type of establishment, they do not want you,” said Miskin."

 

I don't think that's accurate or true. It should say "Ohio City is developing and if your club thrives on thugs and gangs of any stripe and is attractive to clientele who like to use guns to settle their battles ala the old west, they do not want you."  I just don't understand any culture where settling your problems by shooting each other is encouraged. The whole hip hop obsession with shooting one another, I just don't get it.

 

 

 

 

I don't get the obsession with guns, period.  Better put, I don't get the glorification of guns, but it is rampant in our society.  'Gangsta rap' (not necessarily hip-hop) takes it to a whole new level.  Ted Nugent, too.