July 20, 20177 yr "State patrol: Dirt bike crackdown nets illegal riding in Cleveland CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) - State troopers set up a sting on the east side of Cleveland Tuesday to bust illegal dirt bike riders on city streets.Cleveland 19 continues to follow this dangerous problem since Chief Investigator Carl Monday shed light on it back in 2015. Our crew was there as Ohio State Highway Patrol troopers, along with help from Cleveland Police and the ATF, tracked down illegal dirt bikers riding recklessly near children at a public park...." ATF?
July 20, 20177 yr I wonder how they acquire all these stolen dirt bikes from out in the country. It's gangs and it's a huge problem nationwide: http://wtop.com/local/2017/07/atv-dirt-bike-dealers-struggling-thefts/slide/1/ and http://www.wtol.com/story/35111833/surveillance-video-shows-brazen-motorcycle-atv-theft
July 20, 20177 yr I wonder how they acquire all these stolen dirt bikes from out in the country. It's gangs and it's a huge problem nationwide: http://wtop.com/local/2017/07/atv-dirt-bike-dealers-struggling-thefts/slide/1/ and http://www.wtol.com/story/35111833/surveillance-video-shows-brazen-motorcycle-atv-theft Hence BATFE (^^), who is always looking to expand their juristiction like most limited LEAs (DEA, TSA) are.
July 20, 20177 yr "State patrol: Dirt bike crackdown nets illegal riding in Cleveland CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) - State troopers set up a sting on the east side of Cleveland Tuesday to bust illegal dirt bike riders on city streets.Cleveland 19 continues to follow this dangerous problem since Chief Investigator Carl Monday shed light on it back in 2015. Our crew was there as Ohio State Highway Patrol troopers, along with help from Cleveland Police and the ATF, tracked down illegal dirt bikers riding recklessly near children at a public park...." ATF? Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms. Essentially, if the dude they caught was carrying a hand gun, through ATF, they would be able to check the registration information on it. I'm honestly not sure, though. I imagine that is why they were involved, though. However, it seemed like the guy just fled on foot after ditching the bike in the park and they didn't bother chasing him after that, even though they had a CPD helicopter chasing him. As the article states, they were more than happy with the operation, just obtaining a potentially stolen dirt bike. They 'sent a message,' so I guess it was successful.
July 20, 20177 yr Maybe the perpetrator was the mayor's grandson and they didn't want to chase and arrest him because that would just be awkward. :wink: :-D
July 21, 20177 yr Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms. Essentially, if the dude they caught was carrying a hand gun, through ATF, they would be able to check the registration information on it. I'm honestly not sure, though. I imagine that is why they were involved, though. However, it seemed like the guy just fled on foot after ditching the bike in the park and they didn't bother chasing him after that, even though they had a CPD helicopter chasing him. As the article states, they were more than happy with the operation, just obtaining a potentially stolen dirt bike. They can't check the registration, because none exists in Ohio. You not only don't have to register a handgun, you can't. Any PD can check the serial number to see if it was stolen. BATFE (acronym for the full agency, it's agents hate it so us gun nuts love to use it) was probably just tagging along.
July 29, 20177 yr Moved from the Flats East Bank thread..... There is a TON of parking in the warehouse district....Its an easy walk down. In reading the comments section on Cleveland.com...people were suggesting tearing down more old buildings in flats for parking. RTA neeeds to get WFL operating till 2AM. but most important.....Cleveland police need to spend less time towing and more time patrolling. The walk back to parking lots late night are ridiculously unsafe. Example....Left Billy Joel concert couple Fridays ago...parked by Bar Louie. From East 4th to Public Square....asked for money or "directions" or "ride" 5 times. Public Square at midnight has people sleeping on the stairs, and a grown man peeing on the sidewalk by the lawn. Than we were followed to the parking lots by two gentleman who kept asking us to "wait up". Not a cop in sight. Parking isnt the issue...but feeling safe is "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 30, 20177 yr Wow. I haven't heard of similar issues. Hopefully just bad luck I've heard of them. It's not uncommon. People are skipping Horseshoe for Northfield Park in part for this reason.
July 30, 20177 yr Wow. I haven't heard of similar issues. Hopefully just bad luck I've heard of them. It's not uncommon. People are skipping Horseshoe for Northfield Park in part for this reason. Exactly.....and I'm not going to call it a "homeless" issue. its aggressive panhandlers and flat out criminals are harassing people. Its on west 25th too. Parking lot next to west side market. "homeless" guys tell you where there is open parking spot, than demand tip from you. And if you don't, they suggests your car will not be "watched" Its crazy
July 30, 20177 yr Wow. I haven't heard of similar issues. Hopefully just bad luck I've heard of them. It's not uncommon. People are skipping Horseshoe for Northfield Park in part for this reason. Exactly.....and I'm not going to call it a "homeless" issue. its aggressive panhandlers and flat out criminals are harassing people. Its on west 25th too. Parking lot next to west side market. "homeless" guys tell you where there is open parking spot, than demand tip from you. And if you don't, they suggests your car will not be "watched" Its crazy It used to be for every person who had this problem, ten people heard about it. Now with social media, it's more like two hundred. Perception can be more crucial than actual safety.
July 30, 20177 yr The walk from East 4th to the WHD can be rough late at night. The area around West 3rd in particular can feel isolated and creepy. Personally this is where I think the DCA safety patrol needs to do a better job. Providing an extra set of eyes around downtown is their job. Their patrol routes never made sense to me. Why are there 3 ambassadors hanging out by East 4th at 8 pm when it feels lively and safe but no one in the quieter parts of downtown? I frequently see safety patrol hanging out and doing nothing. On several occasions I've seen them just ignore aggressive panhandling. Also their late night presence needs to be improved. I've complained to DCA a couple times with mixed results. The first time I got a very candid response which acknowledged they have issues with the ambassadors. The next time I got a form letter. To their credit if you call their dispatch they will send safety patrol to your location within 5 minutes. I've down it twice when a super aggressive panhandler was outside my building.
July 31, 20177 yr The walk from East 4th to the WHD can be rough late at night. The area around West 3rd in particular can feel isolated and creepy. Personally this is where I think the DCA safety patrol needs to do a better job. Providing an extra set of eyes around downtown is their job. Their patrol routes never made sense to me. Why are there 3 ambassadors hanging out by East 4th at 8 pm when it feels lively and safe but no one in the quieter parts of downtown? I frequently see safety patrol hanging out and doing nothing. On several occasions I've seen them just ignore aggressive panhandling. Also their late night presence needs to be improved. I've complained to DCA a couple times with mixed results. The first time I got a very candid response which acknowledged they have issues with the ambassadors. The next time I got a form letter. To their credit if you call their dispatch they will send safety patrol to your location within 5 minutes. I've down it twice when a super aggressive panhandler was outside my building. I cannot overstress how unsurprising this is to me. I’m assuming these guys are paid. That’s going to mean that some of them see this as getting paid to be hanging out in highly social places, doing what they would be paying to do otherwise. Except drinking (I hope) and they have an excuse for that. They are unlikely to be consistently proactive about confrontational situations. This is not a diss on them, per se. Their job description is probably pretty vague. Also, they’ve probably caught grief from virtue signaling patrons when trying to move along someone who is only being mildly annoying. In fact, the guys who are proactively confrontational are going to be that way because they enjoy it, and they are quite likely overbearing about it. On the other side, a lot of the problem people are going to be very obstinate about doing as they wish. I wonder if they are stationed certain places or are allowed to self-station. If the latter, they certainly aren’t going to hang out in quieter locations people pass through. They are going to be visible to the crowds, particularly those members of their preferred gender that they might hit on, or be hit on by. I can see all sorts of ways this job can be made “fun” as a priority over accomplishing the task. Even the name is intentionally vague. Either they are security, or they are not security.
August 5, 20177 yr :( Hope they catch these people Egyptian immigrant who moved family to Ohio for a better life shot and killed in Cleveland car sale-turned-robbery Updated on August 4, 2017 at 4:50 PM Posted on August 4, 2017 at 1:40 PM http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/08/egyptian_immigrant_who_moved_f.html#incart_river_home_pop
August 6, 20177 yr Awful story. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 7, 20177 yr If this actually happened as described, it’s one of the worst things I’ve seen in awhile. If not, it’s still bad. http://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/4-year-old-shot-in-the-head-while-riding-in-an-suv-on-i-90-in-cleveland
August 20, 20177 yr Teen shot in the chest at Public Square, police say http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/08/teen_shot_in_the_chest_at_publ.html Tonight a 17-year old was shot in the chest near Tower City entrance on Public Square. Not many details on this yet.This is horrible news, especially that it was right in the heart of the city and the central public plaza in Cleveland.
August 20, 20177 yr ^Yeah, unfortunately Public Square has been getting somewhat rowdy as it was in its pre-reconfiguration days. In some recent trips to/from the TC Rapid station in recent months; the latest being mid-afternoon last Monday, I've seen a couple fist fights breaking out with crowd around them... The only thing that calmed the latest altercation was that 2 cops were seen heading towards TC from mid-Square near the fountains. I thought it was a great idea to have a CPD cop station visible and well located inside Tower City on the Square, but still some idiots are still prone to nonsense, most notably in/around the HL bus stop... I hate the idea of a police state, but cops may need to keep a sharper eye out for this kind of B.S. The great success of the new PS is that it has become a family-friendly, people centered place that has actually become a destination and not just the dowdy RTA bus terminal it used to be. It will revert to a punk hangout joint if officials don't get a handle on the escalating problems that have been occurring there of late.
August 21, 20177 yr ^Yeah, unfortunately Public Square has been getting somewhat rowdy as it was in its pre-reconfiguration days. In some recent trips to/from the TC Rapid station in recent months; the latest being mid-afternoon last Monday, I've seen a couple fist fights breaking out with crowd around them... The only thing that calmed the latest altercation was that 2 cops were seen heading towards TC from mid-Square near the fountains. I thought it was a great idea to have a CPD cop station visible and well located inside Tower City on the Square, but still some idiots are still prone to nonsense, most notably in/around the HL bus stop... I hate the idea of a police state, but cops may need to keep a sharper eye out for this kind of B.S. The great success of the new PS is that it has become a family-friendly, people centered place that has actually become a destination and not just the dowdy RTA bus terminal it used to be. It will revert to a punk hangout joint if officials don't get a handle on the escalating problems that have been occurring there of late. From what I've heard, on Saturday night that's an area with very high police visibility. This sounds more like a IDGAF scenario, or someone dumb enough to think he'd escape.
August 21, 20177 yr ^ I agree with E Rocc. My initial reaction was: "that was dumb". Nobody is gettin away with that innthat location
August 21, 20177 yr ^^ ^ OK, now the PD is reporting 2 shootings: a 17-year-old accidentally shot himself (sustaining a powder burn) while running away from the cops and a domestic incident with a shooter on a bike... So there were 2 shooting incidents this past Saturday night. Not good... As I said, I'm glad CPD established a cop substation at Public Square, a la Times Square. I want a police presence but not a police state with a bunch of cop goons throwing their weight around on a testosterone high intimidating the public. I also don't want the punks to take over either because decent folks and families will stay away... Hopefully we can find a happy balance to Public Square may continue it's back-to-the-future growth as an honest to goodness urban park for, well, the public.
August 21, 20177 yr I've said it before, that area is not fun after 9pm. If you ever park in the warehouse district and walk to any events at the Q or go to East 4th...the walk back is scary.
August 21, 20177 yr ^ I think that's a bit much. Sure there are some characters out and about...unlikely anyone will bother you more than panhandling. "scary" is a weak adjective. Especially after an event. Where do you live?
August 21, 20177 yr Having people follow you to your car asking you to "wait up" and follow you to parking lots is my definition of scary. I am downtown often. Not sure "where I live" matters. If you have a group of men follow your group to a parking lot when no police are around, you would feel "scared" it happens often. Its why I don't park in the warehouse district anymore unless I'm going to warehouse district. I had people in from out of town who stayed at Westin. They wanted to go to East 4th for dinner and walk around. Its not fun at night. There needs to be a bigger police presence on foot or bike before it gets out of hand.
August 21, 20177 yr Having people follow you to your car asking you to "wait up" and follow you to parking lots is my definition of scary. I am downtown often. Not sure "where I live" matters. If you have a group of men follow your group to a parking lot when no police are around, you would feel "scared" it happens often. Its why I don't park in the warehouse district anymore unless I'm going to warehouse district. I had people in from out of town who stayed at Westin. They wanted to go to East 4th for dinner and walk around. Its not fun at night. There needs to be a bigger police presence on foot or bike before it gets out of hand. well. i dont know what to say. ive worked, lived and been going downtown for over a decade. Ive seen nothing but improvements. Ive never had a scary experience.
August 21, 20177 yr Just got back from Toronto, a really safe city, my wife and I were constantly asked for money and followed. One guy, clearly mentally ill, lunged at me. I usually ignore it...sometimes I'll start a conversation with the person. I'm 6'1 240...I have to remember a lot of people don't feel the way I do when they are approached by panhandlers.
August 21, 20177 yr Just got back from Toronto, a really safe city, my wife and I were constantly asked for money and followed. One guy, clearly mentally ill, lunged at me. I usually ignore it...sometimes I'll start a conversation with the person. I'm 6'1 240...I have to remember a lot of people don't feel the way I do when they are approached by panhandlers. i share these sentiments. there needs to be motive. If you are going to get robbed for your money, panhandlers are not likely to rob you. They probably dont have a weapon. People who rob are opportunistic...they are going to get you when its 2 AM and nobody around...not 9 PM after a tribe game while people are playing ping pong on public square.
August 21, 20177 yr Having people follow you to your car asking you to "wait up" and follow you to parking lots is my definition of scary. I am downtown often. Not sure "where I live" matters. If you have a group of men follow your group to a parking lot when no police are around, you would feel "scared" it happens often. Its why I don't park in the warehouse district anymore unless I'm going to warehouse district. I had people in from out of town who stayed at Westin. They wanted to go to East 4th for dinner and walk around. Its not fun at night. There needs to be a bigger police presence on foot or bike before it gets out of hand. I had similar experiences, especially when I first started going downtown. I'm not to unnerved by them, because sort of like sir2gees, I'm a fairly large guy. One thing I will say is that after living there a while I learned to be sharp and definite about saying "no" to panhandlers, and they stopped bothering me usually. They keep pestering and following when they sense any equivocation in your "no".
August 21, 20177 yr ^ I think that's a bit much. Sure there are some characters out and about...unlikely anyone will bother you more than panhandling. "scary" is a weak adjective. Especially after an event. Where do you live? Safety should be assured for all visitors no matter their origin.
August 21, 20177 yr I originally thought that CPD satellite office on Public Square was a good idea. But the last few times I've looked at it, it's unoccupied and dark inside. Is it still being staffed?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20177 yr ^ I think that's a bit much. Sure there are some characters out and about...unlikely anyone will bother you more than panhandling. "scary" is a weak adjective. Especially after an event. Where do you live? Safety should be assured for all visitors no matter their origin. i agree with this...but having lived in the city, i just kind of grow accustomed to characters walking around and sometimes bothering me. If you arent used to it, i suppose you may have a different perspective
August 29, 20177 yr I saw something unusual at about 10 last night. OHP cruiser stopped with his headlights (but not his blue flashers) on on the side of E. 156th street. A couple blocks north of Waterloo, so not even close to a state route. No car pulled over or anything like that.
August 29, 20177 yr I saw something unusual at about 10 last night. OHP cruiser stopped with his headlights (but not his blue flashers) on on the side of E. 156th street. A couple blocks north of Waterloo, so not even close to a state route. No car pulled over or anything like that. Probably enjoying his coffee & donuts. Honestly, probably was finishing up paperwork from someone that had just pulled away after being pulled over a few minutes before you happened upon the scene.
September 18, 20177 yr Three shootings on the east side of the city last night, and a house got shot up in Maple Heights in the wee hours of the morning. Likely gang related. HF vs. LA has been going on for a couple of years and now I’ve heard HF is fighting among themselves. (not spelling out the names frustrates web searches…..)
September 18, 20177 yr ^Gang and more than likely drug related. I wonder if there is a related correlation between the increase in shootings with the increase in heroin usage throughout the County. I could bet there was a similar correlation during the crack epidemic.
September 20, 20177 yr Cleveland Asks FBI for Help in Solving City Homicides https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/ohio/articles/2017-09-20/cleveland-asks-fbi-for-help-in-solving-city-homicides "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 21, 20177 yr Cleveland Asks FBI for Help in Solving City Homicides https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/ohio/articles/2017-09-20/cleveland-asks-fbi-for-help-in-solving-city-homicides This makes sense if it's mostly gang related.
September 27, 20177 yr http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/group_pistol-whips_stabs_man_d.html we still have a long way to go in making Downtown a "neighborhood"
September 27, 20177 yr There was this too. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/cleveland_browns_security_guar.html
September 28, 20177 yr Doesn't matter how much we develop downtown, it will never be safe when half the city is wreckage.
September 28, 20177 yr And easily accessible - from not only transit, but ATV's and dirtbikes. (And this is not advocating against transit.) Maybe Frank Jackson has some real answers for this other than "build a dirt bike track" in some unspecified location.
September 28, 20177 yr I never knew Cleveland was crime-free before Mayor Jackson's time in office. Facts, people: http://www.cleveland19.com/story/36402607/cleveland-homicides-up-20-but-violent-crime-overall-is-down-according-to-fbi-statistics
September 28, 20177 yr No one said Cleveland was crime free. But it's not good when you have multiple high-profile events taking place all throughout downtown in what are considered safer areas - such as the Warehouse District, the Key Bank parking garage, East 4th, by Progressive Field and the Q, Public Square/Terminal Tower. The fact is, Jackson is doing next to nothing to combat ATV and dirt bikers that illegally ride on the streets which help contribute to a spreading quality of live and petty crime situation. Not to even mention that those ATV's and dirt bikes are stolen.
September 28, 20177 yr No one said Cleveland was crime free. But it's not good when you have multiple high-profile events taking place all throughout downtown in what are considered safer areas - such as the Warehouse District, the Key Bank parking garage, East 4th, by Progressive Field and the Q, Public Square/Terminal Tower. The fact is, Jackson is doing next to nothing to combat ATV and dirt bikers that illegally ride on the streets which help contribute to a spreading quality of live and petty crime situation. Not to even mention that those ATV's and dirt bikes are stolen. Were the crimes committed downtown done by people riding ATVs and dirtbikes? I didn't think so. Again, facts: http://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-police-conduct-sting-on-illegal-atvs-dirt-bikes-at-city-park
September 28, 20177 yr No one said Cleveland was crime free. But it's not good when you have multiple high-profile events taking place all throughout downtown in what are considered safer areas - such as the Warehouse District, the Key Bank parking garage, East 4th, by Progressive Field and the Q, Public Square/Terminal Tower. The fact is, Jackson is doing next to nothing to combat ATV and dirt bikers that illegally ride on the streets which help contribute to a spreading quality of live and petty crime situation. Not to even mention that those ATV's and dirt bikes are stolen. I also saw a gang of miscreants on Razor scooters who looked determined to start trouble. Having said that, ATVs did a lap around FEB on Saturday and I thought that was complete BS.
September 28, 20177 yr Clefan98[/member]: Not these specific incidents, but yes, they have occurred. It would be helpful if you weren't so obtuse in your responses. Remember, I lived in Cleveland and saw these very incidents (and was a victim of such an incident) on a DAILY basis, whether it was in University Circle or in downtown or in the west side. Quality of life issues may not ring as loud as murders but they do impact the city and ultimately cause neighborhoods to decay and decline.
September 29, 20177 yr Clefan98[/member]: Not these specific incidents, but yes, they have occurred. It would be helpful if you weren't so obtuse in your responses. Remember, I lived in Cleveland and saw these very incidents (and was a victim of such an incident) on a DAILY basis, whether it was in University Circle or in downtown or in the west side. Quality of life issues may not ring as loud as murders but they do impact the city and ultimately cause neighborhoods to decay and decline. The irony is the safest people in "Cleveland 2" (the city outside downtown, the flats, and UC/CC) may be white people driving through areas with an active drug trade. That's because they are assumed to be there to buy. In each of those areas, the traffic is controlled by gangs, and harming the customers is at least as much a violation of "turf" as trying to sell there. So it's the people who live there that get targetted. Or in the more visible areas (see above) where there's no territorial control.
September 29, 20177 yr Clefan98[/member]: Not these specific incidents, but yes, they have occurred. It would be helpful if you weren't so obtuse in your responses. Remember, I lived in Cleveland and saw these very incidents (and was a victim of such an incident) on a DAILY basis, whether it was in University Circle or in downtown or in the west side. Quality of life issues may not ring as loud as murders but they do impact the city and ultimately cause neighborhoods to decay and decline. I'm not being obtuse, I'm just stating facts.
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