The number of random attacks/robberies in downtown and the near west side is worrying. The two downtown attacks listed above and two violent robberies in Ohio City recently as well.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/09/minnesota_couple_attacked_robb.html

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/09/group_attacks_man_from_behind.html

 

Wow, I live at 28th and Franklin. This is terrible.

 

And I live at 38th and Clinton. I don’t want to feel like I can’t walk around my own neighborhood.

 

I'll say this, I've never even felt so much as uncomfortable in my neighborhood

Good read....While the recent crimes are disheartening, the odds of being a victim to a violent crime are extremely low.

 

http://www.cleveland19.com/2018/09/18/is-crime-really-that-bad-ohio-city-tremont-fact-vs-fiction/

Trio charged in crime spree that included Ohio City, Tremont carjackings, theft of guns, feds say

https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2018/09/trio_charged_in_crime_spree_th.html

The number of random attacks/robberies in downtown and the near west side is worrying. The two downtown attacks listed above and two violent robberies in Ohio City recently as well.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/09/minnesota_couple_attacked_robb.html

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/09/group_attacks_man_from_behind.html

 

Wow, I live at 28th and Franklin. This is terrible.

 

And I live at 38th and Clinton. I don’t want to feel like I can’t walk around my own neighborhood.

 

I'll say this, I've never even felt so much as uncomfortable in my neighborhood

 

Which is why I need to get off of the Ohio City community Facebook page...talk about fear mongering lol.

Trio charged in crime spree that included Ohio City, Tremont carjackings, theft of guns, feds say

https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2018/09/trio_charged_in_crime_spree_th.html

 

Sometimes you just have to thank God that these brazen criminals are so stupid.

That's why they're criminals. I was blown away at the level of their stupidity while working Sun News' crime beat for 15 years. Without them, I wouldn't have had a top 10 list of funniest police news items at the end of each year.

Trio charged in crime spree that included Ohio City, Tremont carjackings, theft of guns, feds say

https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2018/09/trio_charged_in_crime_spree_th.html

Why are these federal charges?

^commerce of the guns likely

There's also a federal carjacking statute, from 1992: https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1110-carjacking-statute

There's also a federal carjacking statute, from 1992: https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1110-carjacking-statute

 

Yep, this.

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/09/man_dies_after_being_struck_by_1.html

 

1. How awful - I walked passed on my way back from lunch and I could tell the firemen were shook. RIP.

 

2. On a note about city management - I hate that tragedies like this are used as political rallying points against bike lanes, scooters, et al, but receive almost no help to regular pedestrians.

I walked passed there about 15 minutes ago and had no idea what happened.

 

These types of situations shouldn't be used to argue against bike lanes. These things are evidence that safer streets are needed.

 

Too bad for the poor pedestrian. 

Former Cleveland Police Chief Edward Kovacic has died

http://amp.news5cleveland.com/2843314770/former-cleveland-police-chief-ed-kovacic-has-died.html

https://www.cleveland19.com/2018/10/02/shooting-shuts-down-ohio-city-neighborhood/

 

This is so upsetting.

^ This must be a big deal.  I’ve had three seperate people text me asking if I had heard about the shooting across from the Westside Market (almost as a “I told you so” from people who don’t think Cleveland is safe)..

^this is a one off for this area... as far as I’m concerned.  I can’t remember another violent incident on the strip.  It’s sad though.  And perception will creep into the minds of those who are fearful.  Hope those from suburbia still feel comfortable there.  That being said,  do people think cleveland is safe?  I think it’s somewhere in between safe and dangerous.  When I lived there, I certainly picked and chose where I was going to be and when.  Always paying attention and alert

It’s unbelievable. In most regards, Ohio City is safer than a lot of suburbs.

 

But I’ve been receiving text messages non-stop in the last 12 hours: 1) asking me if I’m alright, and 2) using this as an opportunity to dog whistle about the need for more rapid gentrification - aka more white people.

 

One incident can cause that kind of reaction, I guess. But Tremont has been through a slew of these and is still doing strong, so I’m sure all will be normal in a week or so

I posted some east/west suburban crime stuff in case you need to copy/paste/send to those who might persist in sharing their unwanted and unwarranted concerns with you YABO713[/member] .

Cleveland.com interviewed a guy from Iowa who was here for the first time on business and was excited about going to Great Lakes.  So disappointing that’s the first impression

Whenever I hear raised, angry voices on the street and I'm with my family, I physically and verbally encourage my wife and son to walk quickly in the opposite direction. In my wife's native Ukraine, she doesn't think anything of it when it happens there and she thinks I'm a bit of a panic artist. But I know that in America, one of those involved in a heated argument could be armed and could start shooting. Doesn't matter if I'm in Ohio City, Crocker Park or Parmatown. We live in a heavily armed nation which carries inherent risks, be it in the city, suburbs or country.

Yeah KJP[/member] it’s beyond frustrating....

 

I woke up to a text from a not well liked acquaintance who lives in Rocky River : “Dang, shooting in Ohio City. Freaking white people keep shooting each other and destroying neighborhoods. Oh wait.”

 

I just deleted the text and blocked the number.

Yeah KJP[/member] it’s beyond frustrating....

 

I woke up to a text from a not well liked acquaintance who lives in Rocky River : “Dang, shooting in Ohio City. Freaking white people keep shooting each other and destroying neighborhoods. Oh wait.”

 

I just deleted the text and blocked the number.

 

I don't live in Ohio City - only a restaurant  and market visitor - but am as frustrated as any non-resident could be in the fact the media is already blaring "Shooting in popular Ohio City across from the West Side Market" - even though it was likely, before even hearing facts (which now seem to support) that this was a non-random incident among acquaintances. This sensationalism doesn't help anybody.

 

Like it or not - It's incidents like the random "elderly visitors from Minnesota robbed and beaten on way back from dinner" from several weeks ago that might be harder to shake from some people's memories. That is not, say, the norm in Strongsville, etc...no matter what polite blotter news gets posted on suburban crime threads.

Just saw on twitter that Corbo's and Subway were broken into last night at Playhouse Square.....WTF is going on? 

Yeah KJP[/member] it’s beyond frustrating....

 

I woke up to a text from a not well liked acquaintance who lives in Rocky River : “Dang, shooting in Ohio City. Freaking white people keep shooting each other and destroying neighborhoods. Oh wait.”

 

I just deleted the text and blocked the number.

 

I thought racism was officially over in America. 

Yeah KJP[/member] it’s beyond frustrating....

 

I woke up to a text from a not well liked acquaintance who lives in Rocky River : “Dang, shooting in Ohio City. Freaking white people keep shooting each other and destroying neighborhoods. Oh wait.”

 

I just deleted the text and blocked the number.

 

I thought racism was officially over in America. 

 

I wanted to respond that we don’t even know the identity of the shooter yet, but that would’ve been low hanging fruit

Cleveland hits 100 homicides for seven straight years, marking first time since stretch ending in 1996

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/news/erry-2018/10/95e52b32e0380/cleveland-hits-100-homicides-f.html

So very sad  :(

 

Man killed in Cleveland shooting was driven but generous business owner, sister says

Updated Oct 3, 4:53 PM; Posted Oct 3, 7:00 AM

By Evan MacDonald, cleveland.com, emacdonaldCleveland[/member].com

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - A Cleveland man shot and killed last month was a driven but caring businessman who also used the rental properties he owned to help people in need, his sister said.

 

Victor Maar Jr. founded a business, Home Restoration Investments, in his mid-20s and owned nine properties in the Greater Cleveland area. He used those properties to give a home to an elderly military veteran, his sister said. Posts on Maar's Facebook page also include stories of his generosity, such as the time he used one of his homes to store heirlooms that belonged to a friend's mother.

 

"He had so much drive, and he cared about his business so much," said his sister, Wendy Streeter. "[His death] is a great loss. Lots of people are really down right now."

 

Maar, 35, was shot and killed Sept. 16 at a duplex he owned on West 146th Street near Mitchell Avenue. The shooting happened after Maar confronted an 18-year-old man and told him to leave the duplex, Streeter said.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/10/man_killed_in_cleveland_shooti_2.html

 

Can anyone give any insight as to why Cleveland crime is on such an uptick?

 

The population compared to Columbus and Cincy is roughly the same. They are all similar sized cities for the most part. Left and right I constantly see new murders in the surrounding urban core of cleveland on my news feed and its kind of terrifying.

 

Whats going on in cleveland that is spiking these hard murder rates? Is it a growing and worsening poverty issue? I'm just trying to wrap my head around why and how this is happening, especially when the other 2 Big C's have been quite flat (or even on a downward trend, especially for cincy) this year with their crime rates.

Can anyone give any insight as to why Cleveland crime is on such an uptick?

 

The population compared to Columbus and Cincy is roughly the same. They are all similar sized cities for the most part. Left and right I constantly see new murders in the surrounding urban core of cleveland on my news feed and its kind of terrifying.

 

Whats going on in cleveland that is spiking these hard murder rates? Is it a growing and worsening poverty issue? I'm just trying to wrap my head around why and how this is happening, especially when the other 2 Big C's have been quite flat (or even on a downward trend, especially for cincy) this year with their crime rates.

 

Columbus had 143 murders last year. The most in 25 years. Yes, poverty and drugs are probably the reason. Overal crime has been trending downward  the last decade.

Can anyone give any insight as to why Cleveland crime is on such an uptick?

 

The population compared to Columbus and Cincy is roughly the same. They are all similar sized cities for the most part. Left and right I constantly see new murders in the surrounding urban core of cleveland on my news feed and its kind of terrifying.

 

Whats going on in cleveland that is spiking these hard murder rates? Is it a growing and worsening poverty issue? I'm just trying to wrap my head around why and how this is happening, especially when the other 2 Big C's have been quite flat (or even on a downward trend, especially for cincy) this year with their crime rates.

 

Gang wars.  There's been a couple big ones and a few smaller ones going on for some time.

 

When victims are identified, they often have their own felony charges that indicate involvement in gangs and the drug trade.

 

I don't think living or working in Cleveland is any more dangerous that it has been for some time.  The uptick in the rate is somewhat misleading.

 

People who look like they might be drug customers are particularly safe in neighborhoods with such activity because they are under the protection of the gang that runs that turf.  So the threat of being shot by a stray bullet is balanced by that....

Can anyone give any insight as to why Cleveland crime is on such an uptick?

 

The population compared to Columbus and Cincy is roughly the same. They are all similar sized cities for the most part. Left and right I constantly see new murders in the surrounding urban core of cleveland on my news feed and its kind of terrifying.

 

Whats going on in cleveland that is spiking these hard murder rates? Is it a growing and worsening poverty issue? I'm just trying to wrap my head around why and how this is happening, especially when the other 2 Big C's have been quite flat (or even on a downward trend, especially for cincy) this year with their crime rates.

 

Why are you so scared of everything?  You were constantly chicken little in the Cincinnati crime section, and now you are panicking on the Cleveland boards. Take a breath and use common sense when in a city. There aren’t crazy maurauders stalking the streets of Cleveland killing everyone.

Can anyone give any insight as to why Cleveland crime is on such an uptick?

 

The population compared to Columbus and Cincy is roughly the same. They are all similar sized cities for the most part. Left and right I constantly see new murders in the surrounding urban core of cleveland on my news feed and its kind of terrifying.

 

Whats going on in cleveland that is spiking these hard murder rates? Is it a growing and worsening poverty issue? I'm just trying to wrap my head around why and how this is happening, especially when the other 2 Big C's have been quite flat (or even on a downward trend, especially for cincy) this year with their crime rates.

 

Why are you so scared of everything?  You were constantly chicken little in the Cincinnati crime section, and now you are panicking on the Cleveland boards. Take a breath and use common sense when in a city. There aren’t crazy maurauders stalking the streets of Cleveland killing everyone.

 

Right...just an elderly couple almost getting beaten to death while having a date night out....

 

 

 

 

Are you new to America? We have violence everywhere.

I don't think there was any panic in that question.  It's fair to ask why crime is on an uptick (and it does seem to be this year) when that is not happening in other nearby cities.  People should be allowed to make reasonable posts without getting attacked.

Edited October 7, 20186 yr by jam40jeff

That was an attack?? 

If someone feels strongly enough about this, perhaps they can provide data (preferably from the FBI national database) that shows multi-year trend-line changes to violent and non-violent crime rates in Cleveland versus its peer cities (Buffalo, Cincinnati, Columbus, Detroit, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, etc)? A few incidents here or there, while tragic, does not make a trend.

And it took Cleveland police ONE HOUR to respond to the crash! Nothing in this article advertises a "city of choice"....

 

Neighbor: Crash victim robbed while unconscious in car

https://fox8.com/2018/10/08/neighbor-crash-victim-robbed-while-unconscious-in-car/

There really is no one reason why crime is up. There are a lot of damaged and horrible people out there with ample opportunity to destroy. It's just a fact of life, and American society is both unwilling and unable to come to a consensus on making those numbers manageable and comparable to Western European rates.

Or even Canadian ones.

I've been wondering how much the gentrification trend has impacted crime rates lately.  It seems more people are entering trendy neighborhoods on the gentrification uptick, completely ignorant to the culture that precedes white subway tiles, giant lighted letters spelling out featured items, reclaimed wood and edison bulbs.  If I were a long time neighborhood resident, I'd look at gentrified neighborhood patrons with some disdain and perhaps anger.

 

I can't imagine the way the inner city neighborhoods are being developed will come without some casualty. 

Edited October 8, 20186 yr by tklg

25 minutes ago, tklg said:

I've been wondering how much the gentrification trend has impacted crime rates lately.  It seems more people are entering trendy neighborhoods on the gentrification uptick, completely ignorant to the culture that precedes white subway tiles, giant lighted letters spelling out featured items, reclaimed wood and edison bulbs.  If I were a long time neighborhood resident, I'd look at gentrified neighborhood patrons with some disdain and perhaps anger.

 

I can't imagine the way the inner city neighborhoods are being developed will come without some casualty. 

The biggest crime-whiners seem to be the long-time residents, not the newcomers...

8 hours ago, KJP said:

That was an attack?? 

If someone feels strongly enough about this, perhaps they can provide data (preferably from the FBI national database) that shows multi-year trend-line changes to violent and non-violent crime rates in Cleveland versus its peer cities (Buffalo, Cincinnati, Columbus, Detroit, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, etc)? A few incidents here or there, while tragic, does not make a trend.

I had Jeremy's response in mind when I wrote that, but I doubt you'd appreciate it if someone replied the way to you the way you did to troeros.

Edited October 8, 20186 yr by jam40jeff

I wouldn't have liked it but I would have deserved it. A few nasty crimes don't equal a trend. Cleveland is still Cleveland. It has too much crime and lazy, poorly trained police. Neither of those are shocking news.

 

But it's still the place where most Northeast Ohioans work, eat/play/sport/entertain, and yes even live. When we get a mayor and more council members who are more creative, aggressive, open-minded, and less content with the status quo, they will realize that this city can be truly great by shaking the dust off its city employees (including the safety forces) and paying attention to the details. If that ever happens, THAT'S what would be worth a shocking revelation.

1 hour ago, jam40jeff said:

I had Jeremy's response in mind when I wrote that, but I doubt you'd appreciate it if someone replied the way to you the way you did to troeros.

 

My response to TroyEros was also based on his history of shrill and alarmist posts on Crime in the Cincinnati threads.  It's a habit with this poster, so when he started to introduce those alarmist themes in the Cleveland threads, I thought it was reasonable to ask him to take a breath and consider before he posts in fear.

19 hours ago, tklg said:

I've been wondering how much the gentrification trend has impacted crime rates lately.  It seems more people are entering trendy neighborhoods on the gentrification uptick, completely ignorant to the culture that precedes white subway tiles, giant lighted letters spelling out featured items, reclaimed wood and edison bulbs.  If I were a long time neighborhood resident, I'd look at gentrified neighborhood patrons with some disdain and perhaps anger.

 

I can't imagine the way the inner city neighborhoods are being developed will come without some casualty. 

Gentrification is probably the reason why NYC and LA have seen such massive drops in crime the last 15 years; the poor just can't afford the rent or property taxes. But in all honesty Cleveland hasn't had any significant gentrification, and the investment its seen is limited to parts of a handful of neighborhoods. As such its crime numbers are pretty consistent with little blips or troughs here and there.

Edited October 9, 20186 yr by TBideon

https://www.cleveland19.com/2018/11/04/case-western-reserve-university-student-shot-near-campus-suspects-custody/

 

This used to be considered the safest part of campus.   It's where I lived for awhile.   (Yes, I know that was only true for some people then.)

 

Unless there's something strange about this one, it's more potentially damaging, in a stereotype reinforcing way, than the attack on the priest awhile back.

 

Though the fact that they ran up into Murray Hill to try to escape isn't something one would think street criminals would do.   So I suspect there may indeed be something odd going on.

I don't know the details, but am particularly horrified to find out an online colleague of mine, one of Cleveland's most prolific writers, Nikki Delamotte, was shot to death this weekend. I don't know the circumstances and believe a story is soon forthcoming. We have lost a big presence in the writing community and the region.

 

Here is a link she thoughtfully collected to some of her work, if you are so inclined:

 

Not many details....but here's where it happened.

 

https://www.wtol.com/2018/11/12/found-dead-friendly-village-mobile-home-park/?fbclid=IwAR0Se0g-rxHoSsHyJqH529rVQ3fcTPuj-v57R8nV8LLei0n6D4miLCb6ocQ

Edited November 12, 20186 yr by Clefan98

Just now, rockandroller said:

I don't know the details, but am particularly horrified to find out an online colleague of mine, one of Cleveland's most prolific writers, Nikki Delamotte, was shot to death this weekend. I don't know the circumstances and believe a story is soon forthcoming. We have lost a big presence in the writing community and the region.

 

Here is a link she thoughtfully collected to some of her work, if you are so inclined:

 

 

I'm stunned. We followed each other on Twitter.

Edited November 12, 20186 yr by KJP

ugh, same here ?

Awful. I didn’t know her but when you read someone’s work often enough, they are a part of your life. She was like the Anthony bourdain of cleveland, exposing peoples stories, talents, what our people are doing that makes cleveland...cleveland