Should be a good city job opening up. 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/06/founder-of-clevelands-heartless-felons-now-a-city-of-cleveland-employee-accused-of-threatening-co-worker.html

But the bad city job belongs to the person who has to terminate the heartless felon.

8 hours ago, surfohio said:

Should be a good city job opening up. 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/06/founder-of-clevelands-heartless-felons-now-a-city-of-cleveland-employee-accused-of-threatening-co-worker.html

 

 

Pffft....the union and Jackson administration will defend him

6 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

 

Pffft....the union and Jackson administration will defend him

 

Ok, Allard....

 

19 hours ago, KJP said:

 

 

HF vs. LA, with the possible exception of the bar incident that is unfortunately typical of what happens when bars stay open too late these days.

Although the article calls the club "The District", it's actually "The Dstrkt."  (District is a restaurant in Playhouse Square.)  According to its website it is only open Fridays and Saturdays from 10pm to 2am.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2019/07/fight-at-downtown-cleveland-nightclub-leaves-two-shot-two-stabbed-police-say.html

Edited July 8, 20195 yr by jam40jeff

46 minutes ago, jam40jeff said:

Although the article calls the club "The District", it's actually "The Dstrkt."  (District is a restaurant in Playhouse Square.)  According to its website it is only open Fridays and Saturdays from 10pm to 2am.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2019/07/fight-at-downtown-cleveland-nightclub-leaves-two-shot-two-stabbed-police-say.html

 

They got the spelling from a club in London, since closed.   Ironically the place had a reputation for a racist admissions policy, but shut down after a major Albanian mafia brawl.

I suppose they don't say "Ultra Lounge" anymore as that became a giveaway.
 

Looks like a classic fly-by-night establishment.

Dstrkt had a huge crowd outside of it and a large number of cars parked on the street on the night of July 4. I happened to be going that way because the Shoreway was closed (took me 90 minutes to get to Lakewood via Detroit Ave). I seem to recall there's been some kind of club at 2200 St. Clair for a long time. And as @E Rocc points out, these troublesome clubs run for a few months. Shut down voluntarily or involuntarily, then reopen under a new corporate name with a "new" owner but it's really just the same owner(s).

25 minutes ago, KJP said:

Dstrkt had a huge crowd outside of it and a large number of cars parked on the street on the night of July 4. I happened to be going that way because the Shoreway was closed (took me 90 minutes to get to Lakewood via Detroit Ave). I seem to recall there's been some kind of club at 2200 St. Clair for a long time. And as @E Rocc points out, these troublesome clubs run for a few months. Shut down voluntarily or involuntarily, then reopen under a new corporate name with a "new" owner but it's really just the same owner(s).

 

There's got to be a way to make it stick.   Maple Heights managed with the "All Star Ultra Sports Bar", (previously a local institution as Carol's Maple Leaf Tavern), which has stayed shut with the police closure notices on the windows for a couple years now.

22 hours ago, KJP said:

Dstrkt had a huge crowd outside of it and a large number of cars parked on the street on the night of July 4. I happened to be going that way because the Shoreway was closed (took me 90 minutes to get to Lakewood via Detroit Ave). I seem to recall there's been some kind of club at 2200 St. Clair for a long time. And as @E Rocc points out, these troublesome clubs run for a few months. Shut down voluntarily or involuntarily, then reopen under a new corporate name with a "new" owner but it's really just the same owner(s).

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/owners-of-dstrkt-nightclub-hope-to-work-with-police-city-officials-following-weekend-violence

The story rings true.   People arriving close to closing time usually aren't going to spend much (any) money and are often problematic.  They know the right things to say, anyway.   Commitment, or PR?   Time and deeds will tell.

Does anyone know where I can find historical shooting information at a level more detailed than city-wide? I'm specifically looking for numbers of shootings at the zip code or neighborhood level over time. If the data is in raw form I'm willing to put in some of the work to drill it down to a deeper level.

 

What I really want to compare is Cudell safety now vs. OC/Tremont safety in the 2008-13ish range.

On 7/16/2019 at 12:27 PM, dastler said:

Does anyone know where I can find historical shooting information at a level more detailed than city-wide? I'm specifically looking for numbers of shootings at the zip code or neighborhood level over time. If the data is in raw form I'm willing to put in some of the work to drill it down to a deeper level.

 

What I really want to compare is Cudell safety now vs. OC/Tremont safety in the 2008-13ish range.

Check with the First District (Cudell), Second District (DS and OC), and Third District (Tremont) and see if they can/are willing to provide data on calls for census tracts or various blocks. I'd recommend using census tracts because Cudell varies widely - south of Madison is very different from the Lake/Detroit W80s traingle, for example. You could try reaching out through the safety staff people for Cudell Improvement, Ohio City Inc, and Tremont West to see if they can help out or connect you.

 

Anecdotally, Cudell violent crime (that I'm aware of/proximate to) has been minimal and steadily decreasing over the past three years.

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by jws

3 hours ago, jws said:

Check with the First District (Cudell), Second District (DS and OC), and Third District (Tremont) and see if they can/are willing to provide data on calls for census tracts or various blocks. I'd recommend using census tracts because Cudell varies widely - south of Madison is very different from the Lake/Detroit W80s traingle, for example. You could try reaching out through the safety staff people for Cudell Improvement, Ohio City Inc, and Tremont West to see if they can help out or connect you.

 

Anecdotally, Cudell violent crime (that I'm aware of/proximate to) has been minimal and steadily decreasing over the past three years.

I lived in Cuddell for a year three years ago  Almost all the violent crime happened at the area around West Blvd and Madison intersection. 

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by KFM44107
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1 hour ago, KFM44107 said:

I lived in Cuddell for a year here years ago  Almost all the violent crime happened at the area around West Blvd and Madison intersection. 

 

I would bet the Lake/Detroit/W80's triangle has taken that trophy from Madison/West Blvd these days....always seems to be something going on

"these days"?  The W. 80's triangle was known as the largest open air drug market on the Westside for a very long time.

In other news...someone wake the Mayor up from his Friday nap

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/07/cleveland-mayor-frank-jacksons-great-grandson-accused-of-shooting-at-police-officers.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&fbclid=IwAR2ALRgoqGKKtomXY2V7G2sOKL5BP-znMJ9XHbzbSduOk2Hfgw017RQ52z8

5 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

In other news...someone wake the Mayor up from his Friday nap

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/07/cleveland-mayor-frank-jacksons-great-grandson-accused-of-shooting-at-police-officers.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&fbclid=IwAR2ALRgoqGKKtomXY2V7G2sOKL5BP-znMJ9XHbzbSduOk2Hfgw017RQ52z8

 

I bet there's criminal somewhere in everyone's family tree.

Edited July 19, 20195 yr by Clefan98

It's an awfully bad week for his family it seems:

 

https://www.cleveland19.com/story/35643618/cleveland-mayors-grandson-wears-ripped-cavs-budweiser-t-shirt-to-court-for-handgun-felony-charge/

13 hours ago, jam40jeff said:

It's an awfully bad week for his family it seems:

 

https://www.cleveland19.com/story/35643618/cleveland-mayors-grandson-wears-ripped-cavs-budweiser-t-shirt-to-court-for-handgun-felony-charge/

 

It probably popped up on some feed because of the other story, but that story's 2 years old FYI.

1 hour ago, mu2010 said:

 

It probably popped up on some feed because of the other story, but that story's 2 years old FYI.

This is the grandson that lived with mayor Jackson.

Now we have have the teenaged great grandson shooting at cops. Where are the parents? Not grandpops or great grandpops...where are moms and pops?

 

 

22 hours ago, Clefan98 said:

 

I bet there's criminal somewhere in everyone's family tree.

But not everyone has the mayor of Cleveland in their family doing nothing about gun violence at the same time said mayor has grandson living with him while charged with gun violations and now great grandson shoooting at cops. 

 

Nice image Mayor Jackson.

 

lets add to this dysfunctional image : Lance Mason

Edited July 20, 20195 yr by Oxford19

On 7/19/2019 at 1:16 PM, KFM44107 said:

I lived in Cuddell for a year three years ago  Almost all the violent crime happened at the area around West Blvd and Madison intersection. 

Currently live at 93rd and Madison (roughly). There's been an abnormal amount of craziness happening this last month, I'm trying to determine how "bad" it really is and if it's just random that everything happened all at once. Humans are bad at noticing patterns, I want the data to back things up. Also want to compare to OC in the 2008-13ish range for a point of reference for my gf.

 

FWIW, there was a shooting in the street on July 4th, a hit and run car accident with a parked car the week after, a bomb was set off at the family dollar on Madison/84th on the 19th, and a shooting/arson combo happened on the 20th on 95th.

Edited July 22, 20195 yr by dastler

2 minutes ago, dastler said:

Currently live at 93rd and Madison (roughly). There's been an abnormal amount of craziness happening this last month, I'm trying to determine how "bad" it really is and if it's just random that everything happened all at once. Humans are bad at noticing patterns, I want the data to back things up.

 

FWIW, there was a shooting on my street on July 4th, a hit and run car accident with a parked car the week after, a bomb was set off at the family dollar on Madison/84th on the 19th, and a shooting/arson combo happened on the 20th on 95th.

When I was there almost everything happened west of 90th. The Dollar general bomb is disturbing. 

5 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

When I was there almost everything happened west of 90th. The Dollar general bomb is disturbing. 

The "good" part is that all of these crimes don't seem to be random, they're targeted at specific individuals so I'm not terribly worried.

 

The "bomb" was a panhandler who was told to leave the family dollar because he was panhandling... he returned with the explosive but it didn't really do much damage. Blew out a window and did some light damage to a car that was parked a few feet away. There was a lady in the car and she wasn't even injured as far as I can tell.

How does a pan handler even get a bomb..jesus

8 minutes ago, dastler said:

The "good" part is that all of these crimes don't seem to be random, they're targeted at specific individuals so I'm not terribly worried.

 

The "bomb" was a panhandler who was told to leave the family dollar because he was panhandling... he returned with the explosive but it didn't really do much damage. Blew out a window and did some light damage to a car that was parked a few feet away. There was a lady in the car and she wasn't even injured as far as I can tell.

 

Most of the killings appear to be domestic, or likely gang related (victim also has drug trade related felonies).  So correct, they are not random.   The problem is these guys traditionally have crappy aim so of course they endanger residents.

 

Not passers through.    Little known fact:  people who might be in a neighborhood as shall we say "buyers" are very much under the protection of whoever has that turf.

On 7/20/2019 at 12:10 PM, mu2010 said:

 

It probably popped up on some feed because of the other story, but that story's 2 years old FYI.

 

Ha, I didn't even notice that.  It popped up in my Google Feed for some reason, before I had even seen the other story about his great grandson, so I assumed it was recent.  Thanks for the correction.

Edited July 22, 20195 yr by jam40jeff

24 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

When I was there almost everything happened west of 90th. The Dollar general bomb is disturbing. 

 

I worked on 110th near the Berea-Madison merge during the mid 00's, in fact it's where I was when I started posting here.

 

There were issues even then.   

42 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Most of the killings appear to be domestic, or likely gang related (victim also has drug trade related felonies).  So correct, they are not random.   The problem is these guys traditionally have crappy aim so of course they endanger residents.

 

Not passers through.    Little known fact:  people who might be in a neighborhood as shall we say "buyers" are very much under the protection of whoever has that turf.

Ironically (maybe not ironic?) whoever was shooting on my street must have had reasonable aim... From what I can tell not a single car on the street was hit and there were many cars because of the holiday.

BOY OH BOY DO I NEED TO VENT. 

 

I decided to meet my wife for lunch today and took my car to do so. I parked on E. 13th in front of Reserve Square apartments, in the "Two Hour" metered spots. 

 

I set a timer on my phone, as I had paid for 45 minutes of parking and wanted to make sure I did not run out. After lunch, I was walking back to my car with just over 7 minutes left on my meter when I see an officer writing and printing a ticket on my car, the following ensued:

 

Me: "Excuse me, I believe I still have time left on my meter."

 

Officer: "Oh sorry, I didn't see that."

 

*Officer proceeds to walk away, then places the ticket on the car in front of me. 

 

I wrote a note and placed it on the car as well, explaining that the ticket did not match their license plate (mine) and car description and that they should not pay the ticket. 

 

I called the Parking Enforcement office, equipped with photos with time stamps - and they just told me they would dismiss the ticket extrajudicially. WHAT - THE - F. 

Do you have the ticket or a photo of it?  That's evidence of wilfull misconduct an it should likely have the enforcement officer's name/badge number on it.  Even if you call the Parking Enforcement office--if they're in on such practices nothing will happen.  You need to write to the mayor's office, a media outlet and some official higher organization--not sure what that would be--at the US level that handles municipal corruption. That behavior is just crazy.

^ This is a good place to actually get a response and/or action. 

 

http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/CityofCleveland/Home/contact/MayorsActionCenter

Why is "Internal Affairs" a civilian position? Doesn't that make it impossible for cops to move over to IA without giving up their badge and gun (which cops, of course, don't like to do....)

 

"The city of Cleveland announced the selection of its first police inspector general, Tuesday, Aug. 6.Solon Police Department's chief of police, Christopher Viland, accepted the position, although his employment won't be finalized until after the city's "routine administrative procedures." The civilian position is a one of the changes suggested in the city's 2015 federal consent decree...."  

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/cleveland-names-first-police-department-inspector-general?utm_source=people-on-the-move&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20190809&utm_content=article5-headline

45 minutes ago, Pugu said:

Why is "Internal Affairs" a civilian position? Doesn't that make it impossible for cops to move over to IA without giving up their badge and gun (which cops, of course, don't like to do....)

 

"The city of Cleveland announced the selection of its first police inspector general, Tuesday, Aug. 6.Solon Police Department's chief of police, Christopher Viland, accepted the position, although his employment won't be finalized until after the city's "routine administrative procedures." The civilian position is a one of the changes suggested in the city's 2015 federal consent decree...."  

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/cleveland-names-first-police-department-inspector-general?utm_source=people-on-the-move&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20190809&utm_content=article5-headline

 

I believe only the head of Internal Affairs and the new Inspector General are civilian positions. And I also believe current and former Cleveland police officers were prohibited from applying.

One of these days, some nut jobs gonna shoot these kids. Instead, Mayor Jackson and CPD need to impound the bikes and seize the families' homes and/or personal funds to reimburse the city's cost of interdiction. Get nasty with them. Drive them out. They don't belong in civilization....

 

 

10 hours ago, KJP said:

One of these days, some nut jobs gonna shoot these kids. Instead, Mayor Jackson and CPD need to impound the bikes and seize the families' homes and/or personal funds to reimburse the city's cost of interdiction. Get nasty with them. Drive them out. They don't belong in civilization....

 

 

They are driving pickup trucks through people's lawns now.  How can the police not respond to this?  

10 hours ago, KJP said:

One of these days, some nut jobs gonna shoot these kids. Instead, Mayor Jackson and CPD need to impound the bikes and seize the families' homes and/or personal funds to reimburse the city's cost of interdiction. Get nasty with them. Drive them out. They don't belong in civilization....

 

 

Is "take their homes and drive them out" the only tool neoliberals have in the toolbox?

3 minutes ago, Cavalier Attitude said:

Is "take their homes and drive them out" the only tool neoliberals have in the toolbox?

 

While I'm almost always against civil asset forfeiture - something has to be done. A college teammate of mine lives in that neighborhood and told me his daughter was in their front yard when it happened.

 

I think the county needs to find out who was on the sidewalk and hit them with a bevvy of traffic and criminal citations:

 

- Reckless endangerment

- Illegal operation of vehicle on roadway

- Criminal trespass (x the number of houses traversed)

- Attempted batter (x number of persons forced off of sidewalk)

Q

21 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

While I'm almost always against civil asset forfeiture - something has to be done. A college teammate of mine lives in that neighborhood and told me his daughter was in their front yard when it happened.

 

I think the county needs to find out who was on the sidewalk and hit them with a bevvy of traffic and criminal citations:

 

- Reckless endangerment

- Illegal operation of vehicle on roadway

- Criminal trespass (x the number of houses traversed)

- Attempted batter (x number of persons forced off of sidewalk)

The last two would be tough without statements from all the homeowners and people on the sidewalk. 

25 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

Q

The last two would be tough without statements from all the homeowners and people on the sidewalk. 

 

When they came through Lakewood last year, I would have gladly volunteered to give a statement on behalf of my family.

 

And I'm far from neoliberal. But I am a strong advocate for public peace and civil order as well as using all legal means available to restore and preserve it.

 

 

Edited August 13, 20195 yr by KJP

6 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

Q

The last two would be tough without statements from all the homeowners and people on the sidewalk. 

 

I've seen prosecutors do more with less ?

There are a lot of intermediate solutions that haven't been tried yet -- dirt bike track maybe eventually? more community programming? Reach out to the community and find solutions that work. But I'm not surprised that the "law and order" types just want to round them up and take away their homes and property.

 

"But I am a strong advocate for public peace and civil order as well as using all legal means available to restore and preserve it."

 

of course. the law is your cudgel to enact your agenda, damn the consequences.

My agenda is to keep my six-year-old son safe. Nothing is more important to me. Thanks for assuming I have darker motives.

6 minutes ago, Cavalier Attitude said:

There are a lot of intermediate solutions that haven't been tried yet -- dirt bike track maybe eventually? more community programming? Reach out to the community and find solutions that work. But I'm not surprised that the "law and order" types just want to round them up and take away their homes and property.

 

"But I am a strong advocate for public peace and civil order as well as using all legal means available to restore and preserve it."

 

of course. the law is your cudgel to enact your agenda, damn the consequences.

It takes a lot of mental strength to meet aggression with empathy. Not everyone is built for it and it’s certainly not how our society is built to function. It’s easier to label people and places as rat-infested and uncivilized. 

10 minutes ago, Cavalier Attitude said:

There are a lot of intermediate solutions that haven't been tried yet -- dirt bike track maybe eventually? more community programming? Reach out to the community and find solutions that work. But I'm not surprised that the "law and order" types just want to round them up and take away their homes and property.

 

"But I am a strong advocate for public peace and civil order as well as using all legal means available to restore and preserve it."

 

of course. the law is your cudgel to enact your agenda, damn the consequences.

 

Or... or... call me crazy... People could take dirt bikes to tracks in the country and exurbs. If these dudes were skeet shooting in the neighborhood, I don't think we'd all be like "Maybe we should accommodate them and get some more clay pigeons", no, we'd punish the firearms infraction and tell them to take that activity elsewhere. 

I rode dirt bikes when I was a teenager -- when I lived in Geauga County. We built a track in the woods. Sometimes I rode my non-street-legal dirt bike on the road to visit friends and I was caught twice. The first time I was given a warning by the police. The second time my father was ticketed who then immediately sold my motorcycle and grounded me for a month. If the parents/legal guardians aren't going to discipline children, then law enforcement has to, by means that would have the same impact as my father's reasonable disciplinary action.

 

But I never rode on anyone's front lawn, or put people at risk. The only person who I put at risk was myself. But I broke the law, and I suffered for it, as I should have. Now that I have a child of my own, if someone put my child at risk by riding across my front lawn where my son plays, you bet your a$$ I would want to come down hard on that offender. I can't believe we're actually debating this.

Edited August 13, 20195 yr by KJP

8 minutes ago, KJP said:

I rode dirt bikes when I was a teenager -- when I lived in Geauga County. We built a track in the woods. Sometimes I rode my non-street-legal dirt bike on the road to visit friends and I was caught twice. The first time I was given a warning by the police. The second time my father was ticketed who then immediately sold my motorcycle and grounded me for a month. If the parents/legal guardians aren't going to discipline children, then law enforcement has to, by means that would have the same impact as my father's reasonable disciplinary action.

 

But I never rode on anyone's front lawn, or put people at risk. The only person who I put at risk was myself. But I broke the law, and I suffered for it, as I should have. Now that I have a child of my own, if someone put my child at risk by riding across my front lawn where my son plays, you bet your a$$ I would want to come down hard on that offender. I can't believe we're actually debating this.

Not everyone has a punitive view of law enforcement. And you suggested seizing people’s homes. That seems slightly excessive.

4 minutes ago, bumsquare said:

Not everyone has a punitive view of law enforcement. And you suggested seizing people’s homes. That seems slightly excessive.

Seizing the bikes and fining the riders should suffice.  I don't think the city does anything right now.