September 27, 20195 yr I don't know. We already have enough problems with legally prescribed opioids. Imagine if anyone can now access methadone or benzodiazepines - that might be cause a few issues.
September 29, 20195 yr Some drugs are so nasty they should remain illegal -- crack, heroin, PCP, etc. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 2, 20195 yr No, I wouldn't think so. Question is, where did it come from? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 2, 20195 yr ^ Urgh. I hate scorpions. Must’ve come in on a flight from the southwest? My hovercraft is full of eels
October 2, 20195 yr UPS driver shot several times on Cleveland’s East Side in serious condition https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/10/01/ups-driver-shot-several-times-clevelands-east-side-serious-condition/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 20195 yr So much tragedy... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 20195 yr On 10/2/2019 at 8:46 AM, KJP said: UPS driver shot several times on Cleveland’s East Side in serious condition https://www.cleveland19.com/2019/10/01/ups-driver-shot-several-times-clevelands-east-side-serious-condition/ Jesus...every city has a bad neighborhood with segregated poor residents but why do these residents have to be poor AND so violent? Especially to strangers like a damn UPS driver, who was probably minding his own business and just doing his job to earn a paycheck? This is beyond disturbing and I can't imagine what kind of tar pit and hell east Cleveland is. Screw Mexico, build a wall around east Cleveland. The residents there are the true savages.
October 7, 20195 yr On 10/5/2019 at 11:37 PM, troeros said: Jesus...every city has a bad neighborhood with segregated poor residents but why do these residents have to be poor AND so violent? Especially to strangers like a damn UPS driver, who was probably minding his own business and just doing his job to earn a paycheck? This is beyond disturbing and I can't imagine what kind of tar pit and hell east Cleveland is. Screw Mexico, build a wall around east Cleveland. The residents there are the true savages. So EVERYONE that lives in EAST CLEVELAND is a savage? You personally know each resident? I don't know what you mean, I only know and can respond to what you've written. Based on what you've written, it is disingenuous to categorize all EC residents in one way/manner/description! Your comment is garbage. Edited October 7, 20195 yr by MyTwoSense
October 7, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, MyTwoSense said: So EVERYONE that lives in EAST CLEVELAND is a savage? You personally know each resident? I don't know what you mean, I only know and can respond to what you've written. Based on what you've written, it is disingenuous to categorize all EC residents in one way/manner/description! Your comment is garbage. Good answer. I had trouble coming up with one that didn't include bad language. So much wrong here. The irony is he's talking about the east side of Cleveland. Not the suburb "East Cleveland". There's a difference. So he wants to fence in half the city. The half where I live. Oh, a mailman got killed in Maple Heights so I guess the town where I grew up, where some of my friends and more of their parents still live gets fenced in too. The saddest irony here is the people who live there are the main victims of this. In many ways. Truth is, they are disproportionately the victims. The ones whose houses get sprayed up because it's in a rival gang's turf and a resident's second cousin is friends with a member. (Danny Greene and Gen Ciasullo are both spinning in their graves over that kind of stuff). It's sure as hell not white suburbanites. They are safe when they venture there. In case they are there to buy drugs, they are under the very aggressive protection of the gang that runs that turf.
October 7, 20195 yr I was talking to an old Wash DC policeman during the shoot-em-up 90s when DC's violent crime rate was league-leading. After somebody brought up a particularly gruesome execution-style murder, he said, "This stuff - and worse - has always gone on; it just didn't get reported before." A old hand from the WaPo countered that it did get reported, but in a statistical way that left the personal details out. I don't know if today's horrifying accounts are doing any more social good than yesteryear's dry stats, but we're certainly more aware of the horrors. DC attributes it current much-lower crime numbers to adding population back. Other things, too, but mostly just putting 150,000 people back living in what had been high-crime districts. That will probably work for Cleveland, too. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
October 7, 20195 yr Look I apologise for my strong language. It's one thing to hear when someone is shot to death because of drug related violence, an angry dispute, etc. By an large most shooters know the victim to some extent. But when it's a random stranger who was doing his job to earn a paycheck to support himself and gets brutally shot is just so horrible to hear. Violence by and large is brought by childhood/teenage trauma. No one wants to inheritely cause pain and suffering to others unless onset by a genetical psychological disorder (which is a different matter all together). I just think of these residents and have to stop and think how much pain and suffering they have experienced and it makes me want to cry. These shooters were once happy, smiling, laughing babies and there environment has ultimately damaged them to hell and back and it just makes me want to breakdown because I can honestly feel the pain, the suffering, the hurt. So much damn hurt...and what can we do to help? Pretty much nothing. So the pain and suffering will continue for them, and their babies. A never ending cycle. Edited October 7, 20195 yr by troeros
October 8, 20195 yr On 10/7/2019 at 12:41 PM, troeros said: Look I apologise for my strong language. It's one thing to hear when someone is shot to death because of drug related violence, an angry dispute, etc. By an large most shooters know the victim to some extent. But when it's a random stranger who was doing his job to earn a paycheck to support himself and gets brutally shot is just so horrible to hear. Violence by and large is brought by childhood/teenage trauma. No one wants to inheritely cause pain and suffering to others unless onset by a genetical psychological disorder (which is a different matter all together). I just think of these residents and have to stop and think how much pain and suffering they have experienced and it makes me want to cry. These shooters were once happy, smiling, laughing babies and there environment has ultimately damaged them to hell and back and it just makes me want to breakdown because I can honestly feel the pain, the suffering, the hurt. So much damn hurt...and what can we do to help? Pretty much nothing. So the pain and suffering will continue for them, and their babies. A never ending cycle. I hear ya, but it's important not to unduly group the victims with the perps. Yes, some of the residents and a lot of the politicians (in office and otherwise) qualify as enablers. But assuming people are your adversaries at best is a self fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one. I would say violent outlooks are caused more by role models than trauma. The solution: it has to be internal. Start with some modicum of respect for innocent life. Hell, even organized crime had that, fifty years ago. And if you're in power, don't be afraid to call out the problem people.
October 8, 20195 yr 11 minutes ago, E Rocc said: I hear ya, but it's important not to unduly group the victims with the perps. Yes, some of the residents and a lot of the politicians (in office and otherwise) qualify as enablers. But assuming people are your adversaries at best is a self fulfilling prophecy if there ever was one. I would say violent outlooks are caused more by role models than trauma. The solution: it has to be internal. Start with some modicum of respect for innocent life. Hell, even organized crime had that, fifty years ago. And if you're in power, don't be afraid to call out the problem people. But that's the thing they didn't have role models. They were abandoned like dirt. Absent fathers, mother's with 6 kids, no one cared, no one cares. Why should they care about there life? Someone else's? They are gone, always was since they took their first breath in this world. I want to give them a hug, show them I care. Somehow.
October 8, 20195 yr On 10/7/2019 at 12:41 PM, troeros said: Look I apologise for my strong language. It's one thing to hear when someone is shot to death because of drug related violence, an angry dispute, etc. By an large most shooters know the victim to some extent. But when it's a random stranger who was doing his job to earn a paycheck to support himself and gets brutally shot is just so horrible to hear. Violence by and large is brought by childhood/teenage trauma. No one wants to inheritely cause pain and suffering to others unless onset by a genetical psychological disorder (which is a different matter all together). I just think of these residents and have to stop and think how much pain and suffering they have experienced and it makes me want to cry. These shooters were once happy, smiling, laughing babies and there environment has ultimately damaged them to hell and back and it just makes me want to breakdown because I can honestly feel the pain, the suffering, the hurt. So much damn hurt...and what can we do to help? Pretty much nothing. So the pain and suffering will continue for them, and their babies. A never ending cycle. You lumped a lot of people into one bag. That is ridiculous no matter how many times you apologize. it's implicit bias. I live on the eastside and resent being labeled a savage. You write this as if every person who is not at a certain financial or social status is a criminal or lowlife.
October 9, 20195 yr 22 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said: You lumped a lot of people into one bag. That is ridiculous no matter how many times you apologize. it's implicit bias. I live on the eastside and resent being labeled a savage. You write this as if every person who is not at a certain financial or social status is a criminal or lowlife. That's not what implying at all. I'm saying poverty and social status is the catalyst towards criminal behavior. There have been numerous countless studies done on the link between socioeconomics and the vulnerability towards increased violence and criminal behavior. I wrote a whole thesis on this very subject matter in grad school. Calling them savages was incorrect and wrong of me and I sincerely apologise for that indecent comment. Edited October 9, 20195 yr by troeros
October 9, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, troeros said: That's not what implying at all. I'm saying poverty and social status is the catalyst towards criminal behavior. There have been numerous countless studies done on the link between socioeconomics and the vulnerability towards increased violence and criminal behavior. I wrote a whole thesis on this very subject matter in grad school. Calling them savages was incorrect and wrong of me and I sincerely apologise for that indecent comment. I only know what you've written. Not what you "mean". I don't care what you're thesis is about, you have labeled a group as one thing. I'm done with this, we are not going to agree.
October 9, 20195 yr 15 hours ago, troeros said: But that's the thing they didn't have role models. They were abandoned like dirt. Absent fathers, mother's with 6 kids, no one cared, no one cares. Why should they care about there life? Someone else's? They are gone, always was since they took their first breath in this world. I want to give them a hug, show them I care. Somehow. Everybody has role models. What they didn't have was good role models. For example, every son of a single mom saw her boyfriends as role models, no matter how much she (and her guy) didn't want that. That's human nature. I have to watch for that myself, since I have a daughter. Barring that, the guys who had "respect" on the street are their role models. Correlation is not necessarily causation, and pre-providing excuses can be as bad as dismissal
October 9, 20195 yr 11 hours ago, MyTwoSense said: You lumped a lot of people into one bag. That is ridiculous no matter how many times you apologize. it's implicit bias. I live on the eastside and resent being labeled a savage. You write this as if every person who is not at a certain financial or social status is a criminal or lowlife. I live there too, and MTS and I are pretty close to as different as it gets here, outlook wise anyway. Both of us are light years away, mindset wise, from the perps of this crime.
October 22, 20195 yr WTF?? Woman dead after being thrown out of car on I-90 in downtown Cleveland during rush-hour https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/10/woman-dead-after-being-thrown-out-of-car-on-i-90-in-downtown-cleveland-during-rush-hour.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 22, 20195 yr 21 minutes ago, KJP said: WTF?? Woman dead after being thrown out of car on I-90 in downtown Cleveland during rush-hour https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/10/woman-dead-after-being-thrown-out-of-car-on-i-90-in-downtown-cleveland-during-rush-hour.html Facebook version, from someone who claims to be her cousin, says abusive boyfriend did it. She was pregnant, too. ? I believe that's double murder in Ohio, say hi to the needle.
October 24, 20195 yr On 10/22/2019 at 7:46 AM, E Rocc said: Facebook version, from someone who claims to be her cousin, says abusive boyfriend did it. She was pregnant, too. ? I believe that's double murder in Ohio, say hi to the needle. OMG. This is terrible I hope they catch this SOB.
October 24, 20195 yr 9 hours ago, MyTwoSense said: OMG. This is terrible I hope they catch this SOB. Now the bf is saying she jumped out after an argument, and the cops seem to be considering the possibility.
October 24, 20195 yr 4 hours ago, E Rocc said: Now the bf is saying she jumped out after an argument, and the cops seem to be considering the possibility. This is actually more believable. I mean, how does someone throw another person out of a moving car, while driving? Still terrible.
October 27, 20195 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 2, 20195 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 5, 20195 yr Love the vigilante tactic. But nearly striking two people, one a child, with a 2,000 pound weapon should be more than a minor misdemeanor. Our motor vehicle penalties really are much to lax.
November 5, 20195 yr 54 minutes ago, Enginerd said: Love the vigilante tactic. But nearly striking two people, one a child, with a 2,000 pound weapon should be more than a minor misdemeanor. Our motor vehicle penalties really are much to lax. That's because we treat driving as a right rather that a privilege.
November 5, 20195 yr ^ Very true, but how else can we get a government ID card, er, I mean driving license, into everyone’s hands? My hovercraft is full of eels
November 17, 20195 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 20, 20195 yr https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/11/man-threatens-to-kill-downtown-cleveland-bar-employee-during-robbery-police-say.html Harris is a registered sex offender who has been convicted in 19 felony cases since 1994, including for burglary in 2019. He was sentenced to three years in prison in 2005 for abduction and gross sexual imposition. The victims in the case were 13 and 14 years old. The fact this guy was ever allowed out of jail is really an indictment on the justice system.
November 20, 20195 yr 53 minutes ago, Terdolph said: Whatever happened to "three strikes and you're out"? Apparently in Cuyahoga County it's "nineteen strikes and please keep terrorizing the community, thanks."
November 27, 20195 yr 1575 Merwin used to be "Club Alchemy", no stranger to such things but long since closed. The Flatiron is next door but closes much earlier. Unlicensed club in operation?
November 28, 20195 yr Might be a rave. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 2, 20195 yr Not a good Saturday night/Sunday morning. This would be a bad month for a large Canadian city.... Edited December 2, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 8, 20195 yr This would be considered a bad half-year in a medium-sized Canadian city like Hamilton or Quebec.... 8 people shot, 1 fatally, in 6 separate shootings on Cleveland's East Side Saturday https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/8-people-shot-1-fatally-in-6-separate-shootings-on-clevelands-east-side-saturday "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 8, 20195 yr Okay everyone, let's put up a few hundred hand-wringing posts so Terdolph knows we really truly find gun violence disturbing. ? clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 8, 20195 yr On 12/2/2019 at 4:27 PM, KJP said: Not a good Saturday night/Sunday morning. This would be a bad month for a large Canadian city.... To me, sounds like those first three are related... i. e. random shootings due to the close proximity to each other.
December 15, 20195 yr Good article. Love the photos.... Notorious Cleveland gangster Shondor Birns' wild life and explosive death detailed in book (vintage photos) https://www.cleveland.com/life-and-culture/g66l-2019/12/05de895e598298/notorious-cleveland-gangster-shondor-birns-wild-life-and-explosive-death-detailed-in-book-vintage-photos.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 16, 20195 yr 7 hours ago, KJP said: Good article. Love the photos.... Man that photo of 55th/Woodland. Unbelievable! Also--true to PD form several of the photos are misdated, labeled 1953 with 60's era cars in the photos.
December 19, 20195 yr I don't trust Bill Barr that this is anything more than targeting minorities... Barr announces crackdown targeting violent crime in seven US cities https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/475156-barr-announces-crackdown-targeting-violent-crime-in-seven-us-cities "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 19, 20195 yr On 12/15/2019 at 2:16 PM, KJP said: Good article. Love the photos.... Notorious Cleveland gangster Shondor Birns' wild life and explosive death detailed in book (vintage photos) https://www.cleveland.com/life-and-culture/g66l-2019/12/05de895e598298/notorious-cleveland-gangster-shondor-birns-wild-life-and-explosive-death-detailed-in-book-vintage-photos.html He drops his bomb so casually. (Pun intended). I'm hoping for clarification later on.
December 19, 20195 yr 31 minutes ago, KJP said: I don't trust Bill Barr that this is anything more than targeting minorities... Barr announces crackdown targeting violent crime in seven US cities https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/475156-barr-announces-crackdown-targeting-violent-crime-in-seven-us-cities Keep in mind that the victims of these particular criminals are disproportionately minorities as well. I suspect this has more to do with the attempted federalization of law enforcement that the non-statist right has long opposed. Even reference “The West Wing” when Bartlett interviews Judge Mulready.
December 19, 20195 yr I doubt these federal law enforcement officers are big on "community policing". What are they going to be doing?
December 19, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Cavalier Attitude said: I doubt these federal law enforcement officers are big on "community policing". What are they going to be doing? Cherry picking. Much like OSP "helping" by running radar on the interstates rather than patrolling neighborhoods.
December 19, 20195 yr 51 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Cherry picking. Much like OSP "helping" by running radar on the interstates rather than patrolling neighborhoods. Their mission is not really to patrol. They enforce traffic laws on state routes and highways. They don't answer calls for service like the traditional police. On top of that there has already been jurisdictional fights between them and the city. The 71 million will be going to local governments to hire local police. We are so short staffed in our specialized departments due to retirements and ramping up that federal help would be appreciated in the short term. Most of our patrol officers literally go from call to call, especially in the fourth district. Due to the need to keep patrol staffed they haven't been replacing people in specialized units. We put through 150 officers a year and lose 100 to retirement and other things.
December 20, 20195 yr 11 hours ago, KFM44107 said: Their mission is not really to patrol. They enforce traffic laws on state routes and highways. They don't answer calls for service like the traditional police. On top of that there has already been jurisdictional fights between them and the city. The 71 million will be going to local governments to hire local police. We are so short staffed in our specialized departments due to retirements and ramping up that federal help would be appreciated in the short term. Most of our patrol officers literally go from call to call, especially in the fourth district. Due to the need to keep patrol staffed they haven't been replacing people in specialized units. We put through 150 officers a year and lose 100 to retirement and other things. From context, I take it you're with CPD? I was just observing recently that the specialized units seem very short handed lately. Particularly auto theft and homicide. As for the latter, it does seem to me that the city is a lot safer for the general public than the numbers would indicate, and most homicides or near misses are tied to gangs and the drug trade.
December 20, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, E Rocc said: From context, I take it you're with CPD? I was just observing recently that the specialized units seem very short handed lately. Particularly auto theft and homicide. As for the latter, it does seem to me that the city is a lot safer for the general public than the numbers would indicate, and most homicides or near misses are tied to gangs and the drug trade. I'm in the academy presently. Homicides are pretty steady but violent crimes in general are up. You are absolutely correct that most of it is gang related or drug trade (heroin related). Heroin is such a big issue and it takes alot of man hours from police to handle situations with ODs and violence. Alot of our resources are being pushed to handle that straining other departments even further.
December 25, 20195 yr Merry Christmas... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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