December 4, 20177 yr One man crime wave, which began right by me. I heard the shots from the carjacking attempt right after the news of the first victim came over NE Ohio Scan http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/12/cleveland_man_charged_in_deadl_9.html#incart_river_home Jones was released from prison Oct. 30, 2016 after serving one year and nine months for an armed carjacking. He is on post-prison release supervision until 2019, according to Ohio prison records. Ya know, when you see so much of this garbage from repeat offenders you have to start blaming the system. Less than two years served for an armed carjacking? Come on.
December 4, 20177 yr wow, that story's really insande. Kudos to the fast-responding Lakewood PD. That was his biggest mistake--as soon as he entered Lakewood their PD was probably had all hands on deck to hunt him down!
December 4, 20177 yr wow, that story's really insande. Kudos to the fast-responding Lakewood PD. That was his biggest mistake--as soon as he entered Lakewood their PD was probably had all hands on deck to hunt him down! Well the alternative was Euclid, and I once saw EPD chase some smash and grab robbers into the parking lot behind Dave's. It looked like the Wehrmacht crossing the Polish frontier. He knew better than to try to hide in Beulah either. Most of us take full advantage of the state's preclusion of "home rule" where gun laws are concerned. Ironically, the Dollar General by where I grew up got robbed last night, and they caught some wannabe burglars by where my daughter lives this morning.
December 4, 20177 yr wow, that story's really insande. Kudos to the fast-responding Lakewood PD. That was his biggest mistake--as soon as he entered Lakewood their PD was probably had all hands on deck to hunt him down! Marine Towers apartments are two blocks from me. I didn't notice a damn thing Saturday morning. Of course, I hear sirens all the time which means I don't hear them at all. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 5, 20177 yr wow, that story's really insande. Kudos to the fast-responding Lakewood PD. That was his biggest mistake--as soon as he entered Lakewood their PD was probably had all hands on deck to hunt him down! Marine Towers apartments are two blocks from me. I didn't notice a damn thing Saturday morning. Of course, I hear sirens all the time which means I don't hear them at all. I'm not quite to that point yet. I swear CFD should just station an ambulance at Euclid Beach it would save mileage. Ironically, the same was the case at Northfield Park when I lived by there.
December 5, 20177 yr With 20,000 people (many of them elderly) living within one mile of me, there's nonstop sirens. When I go out on my balcony (especially on a summer night) more often than not you can hear a siren somewhere. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 20, 20177 yr http://fox8.com/2017/12/20/police-standoff-ends-with-no-suspect-in-custody/ Saw 4-5 CPD units outside this house about 10pm, and two plus a mobile comm unit still there at about 5:30 on the way to work. Possibly connected to drive by at the Sunoco across the street.
December 29, 20177 yr Channel 19 news crew robbed at gunpoint on Cleveland's East Side, police say http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/12/channel_19_news_crew_robbed_at.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 3, 20187 yr Yeesh, in 2017, the homicide rate in Cleveland was 10 times higher than in New York City. Literally an order of magnitude higher. That's mind-blowing. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/37159972/how-does-clevelands-2017-murder-rate-compare-to-the-rest-of-ohio-and-us
January 3, 20187 yr Yeesh, in 2017, the homicide rate in Cleveland was 10 times higher than in New York City. Literally an order of magnitude higher. That's mind-blowing. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/37159972/how-does-clevelands-2017-murder-rate-compare-to-the-rest-of-ohio-and-us The remarkable thing is it was probably only 20 years ago when NYC was at a similar rate. They used data and planning to address their crime. Wonder if our leadership is that smart
January 3, 20187 yr Yeesh, in 2017, the homicide rate in Cleveland was 10 times higher than in New York City. Literally an order of magnitude higher. That's mind-blowing. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/37159972/how-does-clevelands-2017-murder-rate-compare-to-the-rest-of-ohio-and-us The remarkable thing is it was probably only 20 years ago when NYC was at a similar rate. They used data and planning to address their crime. Wonder if our leadership is that smart Well losing the perennial projection machine Steve Loomis will be a good start.
January 3, 20187 yr Yeesh, in 2017, the homicide rate in Cleveland was 10 times higher than in New York City. Literally an order of magnitude higher. That's mind-blowing. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/37159972/how-does-clevelands-2017-murder-rate-compare-to-the-rest-of-ohio-and-us The remarkable thing is it was probably only 20 years ago when NYC was at a similar rate. They used data and planning to address their crime. Wonder if our leadership is that smart Having a strong economy doesn't hurt either.
January 3, 20187 yr New York got exceptionally expensive in the last 20 years and outpriced a lot of gangbangers/murderers/enablers. And they have a police force/port authority of 34,000 uniformed (with an additional 50+ thousand desk jockeys), which is practically a small army. Most importantly, New York also gained an additional million people, mostly of middle to upper income means, not the types to shoot up cars or rival gangbangers. And their educated Asian/Indian immigrant population exploded, which is always key to stabilizing neighborhoods. Add it all up, and NYC crime rates, in particular homicides, are down dramatically. Cleveland's story is quite different.
January 3, 20187 yr Yeesh, in 2017, the homicide rate in Cleveland was 10 times higher than in New York City. Literally an order of magnitude higher. That's mind-blowing. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/37159972/how-does-clevelands-2017-murder-rate-compare-to-the-rest-of-ohio-and-us Comparing a medium-sized rust-belt city to a global city like NYC is like comparing apples to oranges, though. More like comparing apples to a ribeye. If Cleveland received the $26.5 Billion a year in foreign investment alone that NYC does (the most of any mega-city in the world,) and attracted such a large share of the wealthiest people in the world - spurring rapid gentrification, I'm sure that order of magnitude would disappear quickly. NYC's crime just dispersed outward. Murder is a nation-wide problem, not just city-specific. That's how I look at it anyway.
January 3, 20187 yr NYC's crime just dispersed outward. Hmm, interesting point. Cleveland's violent crime rate is nearly identical to Hartford, Newark and Paterson.
January 3, 20187 yr Yeesh, in 2017, the homicide rate in Cleveland was 10 times higher than in New York City. Literally an order of magnitude higher. That's mind-blowing. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/37159972/how-does-clevelands-2017-murder-rate-compare-to-the-rest-of-ohio-and-us The remarkable thing is it was probably only 20 years ago when NYC was at a similar rate. They used data and planning to address their crime. Wonder if our leadership is that smart Maybe planning using statistics regarding where to demolish housing and where to best concentrate the city's finite dollars would have worked better than just demolishing vacant structures across the city... but I doubt that would help in Cleveland's case. From an urban planning standpoint, I personally feel it's much easier to plan in a growing city/economy than it is to plan in one which is in continual decline. There is no amount of urban planning or streetscaping which will lower crime rates in an area where the built environment consists of a large amount of public housing (E. 55th/Kinsman, for example), when coupled with bringing jobs back to areas where the manufacturing industry once thrived (Five Points, for example). The economy and population go hand-in-hand; as Cleveland's economy declined and regional population growth became at best stagnate, poverty spread across large parts of the city as there was no incoming population to replace those who left. Large areas of the city that were once stable are now almost completely vacant, and there's no amount of planning that can change that without jobs coming in. Just IMO.
January 3, 20187 yr NYC's crime just dispersed outward. Hmm, interesting point. Cleveland's violent crime rate is nearly identical to Hartford, Newark and Paterson. As Cleveland gentrifies, I wouldn't be surprised to see Garfield Heights, Warrensville, Brooklyn, and Euclid get worse.
January 3, 20187 yr NYC's crime just dispersed outward. Hmm, interesting point. Cleveland's violent crime rate is nearly identical to Hartford, Newark and Paterson. As Cleveland gentrifies, I wouldn't be surprised to see Garfield Heights, Warrensville, Brooklyn, and Euclid get worse. What impact on crime do you think the Amazon distribution centers will have on communities like Warrensville and Euclid, if any?
January 3, 20187 yr NYC's crime just dispersed outward. Hmm, interesting point. Cleveland's violent crime rate is nearly identical to Hartford, Newark and Paterson. As Cleveland gentrifies, I wouldn't be surprised to see Garfield Heights, Warrensville, Brooklyn, and Euclid get worse. What impact on crime do you think the Amazon distribution centers will have on communities like Warrensville and Euclid, if any? Hopefully they can at least start paving their roads again, and maybe hire some extra cops?
January 3, 20187 yr New York got exceptionally expensive in the last 20 years and outpriced a lot of gangbangers/murderers/enablers. And they have a police force/port authority of 34,000 uniformed (with an additional 50+ thousand desk jockeys), which is practically a small army. Most importantly, New York also gained an additional million people, mostly of middle to upper income means, not the types to shoot up cars or rival gangbangers. And their educated Asian/Indian immigrant population exploded, which is always key to stabilizing neighborhoods. Add it all up, and NYC crime rates, in particular homicides, are down dramatically. Cleveland's story is quite different. Eh, this is pretty exaggerated. There's also been a huge influx of working class Latin American immigrants, and the child poverty rate in NYC is still 30%, way higher than the country as a whole. Demographic change doesn't come close to explaining the disparity with Cleveland. Even the Bronx is substantially safer than Cleveland.
January 3, 20187 yr Amazon will help Euclid and warrensville tremendously. 2-3k workers naturally will probably initiate additional retail services in the area. There should be more energy in these areas. I’m sure amazon will also have some additional Security. Remember, randall mall was literally a creepy ghost town. I’m sure there was a lot of no good stuff happening in the parking lots, malls area during the past 10 years. Now there will be energy there daily
January 14, 20187 yr WHOA. :( In the heart of Uptown/University Circle, and police chief involved immediatley afterwards. Police officer shoots and kills man at Corner Alley bowling alley in Cleveland's University Circle CLEVELAND, Ohio -- An off-duty police officer shot and killed a man late Saturday at the Corner Alley bowling alley in Cleveland's University Circle neighborhood, according to Commander James McPike, who oversees the department homicide unit. The shooting happened about 11 p.m. Saturday at the bowling alley on Euclid Avenue and Ford Drive, according to three police sources. Homicide investigators are at the scene. Cleveland Police Chief Calvin Williams showed up to the scene, and left after refusing to answer questions from a reporter. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/01/police_officer_shoots_man_at_c.html
January 14, 20187 yr Yeesh, in 2017, the homicide rate in Cleveland was 10 times higher than in New York City. Literally an order of magnitude higher. That's mind-blowing. http://www.cleveland19.com/story/37159972/how-does-clevelands-2017-murder-rate-compare-to-the-rest-of-ohio-and-us Hey hey good job Toledo! Lowest rate among major Ohio cities.
January 14, 20187 yr WHOA. :( In the heart of Uptown/University Circle, and police chief involved immediatley afterwards. Police officer shoots and kills man at Corner Alley bowling alley in Cleveland's University Circle CLEVELAND, Ohio -- An off-duty police officer shot and killed a man late Saturday at the Corner Alley bowling alley in Cleveland's University Circle neighborhood, according to Commander James McPike, who oversees the department homicide unit. The shooting happened about 11 p.m. Saturday at the bowling alley on Euclid Avenue and Ford Drive, according to three police sources. Homicide investigators are at the scene. Cleveland Police Chief Calvin Williams showed up to the scene, and left after refusing to answer questions from a reporter. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/01/police_officer_shoots_man_at_c.html The officer was working security and ejected a couple of fighters. They resumed outside and he was informed. I'm allowed to blow stuff off if it happens outside, he isn't. Guy attacks him. Assumes room temperature. If you choose an action, you choose the consequences of that action. Attacking a (presumably) uniformed police officer is like driving 120mph on the freeway when it's snowing. There's not an actual death penalty for doing so, but it definitely increases the risk.
January 15, 20187 yr If you choose an action, you choose the consequences of that action. Attacking a (presumably) uniformed police officer is like driving 120mph on the freeway when it's snowing. There's not an actual death penalty for doing so, but it definitely increases the risk.[/color] Do officers in Cleveland wear uniforms when working off-duty?
January 15, 20187 yr ^They can. And its common to see them do so. I think people who hire them want them in uniform to show police presence.
January 15, 20187 yr ^They can. And its common to see them do so. I think people who hire them want them in uniform to show police presence. That's interesting to me. I wonder what the limitations are on this policy. I'm sure the officers don't complete authority to wear their uniform for just any outside job.
January 15, 20187 yr ^They can. And its common to see them do so. I think people who hire them want them in uniform to show police presence. That's interesting to me. I wonder what the limitations are on this policy. I'm sure the officers don't complete authority to wear their uniform for just any outside job. I think it helps that they are in uniform. If he was plain clothed, it's going to make this case even messier.
January 15, 20187 yr Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe “off-duty work” is regulated and controlled by whatever department you work for. So CPD receives the requests for off duty work, posts them and officers can sign up for them that way. That being said, the officers are still representing the Department as an LEO even if they aren’t being paid by it.
January 15, 20187 yr Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe “off-duty work” is regulated and controlled by whatever department you work for. So CPD receives the requests for off duty work, posts them and officers can sign up for them that way. That being said, the officers are still representing the Department as an LEO even if they aren’t being paid by it. I wish the article explained this a little better. It only mentions "an off duty police officer" working part time. But yeah, it would make sense if "off-duty work" was a specific, legal term for doing private security. They have ID'd the officer and unfortunately he's had some problems in the past.
January 15, 20187 yr Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe “off-duty work” is regulated and controlled by whatever department you work for. So CPD receives the requests for off duty work, posts them and officers can sign up for them that way. That being said, the officers are still representing the Department as an LEO even if they aren’t being paid by it. I wish the article explained this a little better. It only mentions "an off duty police officer" working part time. But yeah, it would make sense if "off-duty work" was a specific, legal term for doing private security. They have ID'd the officer and unfortunately he's had some problems in the past. Attendance issues basically. Equivalent of time card fraud. Funny how the PeeDee mentioned this, and did not mention that the guy the police killed in Euclid had earlier been caught in a roundup of the Lakeshore Boyz gang. It seems to be taking a long time to ID the victim. CPD is having a busy morning though. Double murder on the east side, aggravated robbery/kidnapping at W. 117th Subway.
January 15, 20187 yr Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe “off-duty work” is regulated and controlled by whatever department you work for. So CPD receives the requests for off duty work, posts them and officers can sign up for them that way. That being said, the officers are still representing the Department as an LEO even if they aren’t being paid by it. I wish the article explained this a little better. It only mentions "an off duty police officer" working part time. But yeah, it would make sense if "off-duty work" was a specific, legal term for doing private security. They have ID'd the officer and unfortunately he's had some problems in the past. Attendance issues basically. Equivalent of time card fraud. Funny how the PeeDee mentioned this, and did not mention that the guy the police killed in Euclid had earlier been caught in a roundup of the Lakeshore Boyz gang. It seems to be taking a long time to ID the victim. CPD is having a busy morning though. Double murder on the east side, aggravated robbery/kidnapping at W. 117th Subway. Well, it paints the officer as dishonest. Anyhow it appears there were several witnesses to the incident, so that should help.
January 15, 20187 yr It seems to be taking a long time to ID the victim. I wonder if the victim's age of 21 has anything to do with it?
January 15, 20187 yr Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe “off-duty work” is regulated and controlled by whatever department you work for. So CPD receives the requests for off duty work, posts them and officers can sign up for them that way. That being said, the officers are still representing the Department as an LEO even if they aren’t being paid by it. I wish the article explained this a little better. It only mentions "an off duty police officer" working part time. But yeah, it would make sense if "off-duty work" was a specific, legal term for doing private security. They have ID'd the officer and unfortunately he's had some problems in the past. Attendance issues basically. Equivalent of time card fraud. Funny how the PeeDee mentioned this, and did not mention that the guy the police killed in Euclid had earlier been caught in a roundup of the Lakeshore Boyz gang. It seems to be taking a long time to ID the victim. CPD is having a busy morning though. Double murder on the east side, aggravated robbery/kidnapping at W. 117th Subway. Well, it paints the officer as dishonest. Anyhow it appears there were several witnesses to the incident, so that should help. I'd be shocked if there isn't video as well.
January 15, 20187 yr Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe “off-duty work” is regulated and controlled by whatever department you work for. So CPD receives the requests for off duty work, posts them and officers can sign up for them that way. That being said, the officers are still representing the Department as an LEO even if they aren’t being paid by it. I wish the article explained this a little better. It only mentions "an off duty police officer" working part time. But yeah, it would make sense if "off-duty work" was a specific, legal term for doing private security. They have ID'd the officer and unfortunately he's had some problems in the past. Attendance issues basically. Equivalent of time card fraud. Funny how the PeeDee mentioned this, and did not mention that the guy the police killed in Euclid had earlier been caught in a roundup of the Lakeshore Boyz gang. It seems to be taking a long time to ID the victim. CPD is having a busy morning though. Double murder on the east side, aggravated robbery/kidnapping at W. 117th Subway. Well, it paints the officer as dishonest. Anyhow it appears there were several witnesses to the incident, so that should help. I'd be shocked if there isn't video as well. Great point. Overall, it's very sad to think that a fun night of bowling would turn into a traumatic and violent episode.
January 15, 20187 yr They should have another term for "off duty" work because we are left with no words to describe when an officer is simply not working. "Sidework?" The "off duty" officers I've experienced working at Giant Eagle stores were in uniform and representing the police department... off duty is just a dumb way to describe what they are doing. A cop in street clothes who happens to be shopping at the store and intervenes when something happens... that's off duty.
January 15, 20187 yr ^I agree. "Off duty" seems to mean off CITY duty. How does CPD differentiate if an officer is working a side gig in uniform or not and when he's not being paid by anyone just walking around?
January 15, 20187 yr They should have another term for "off duty" work because we are left with no words to describe when an officer is simply not working. "Sidework?" The "off duty" officers I've experienced working at Giant Eagle stores were in uniform and representing the police department... off duty is just a dumb way to describe what they are doing. A cop in street clothes who happens to be shopping at the store and intervenes when something happens... that's off duty. My understanding is these jobs are arranged through and assigned (to volunteers) by the police department. Effectively, businesses are asking to have sworn police officer(s) on site and paying for the privilege. It's almost immaterial. Attacking an officer in uniform should be unacceptable and indeed they should have every right to defend themselves up to and including deadly force. Justin Winebrenner in Akron was killed under similar circumstances.
January 16, 20187 yr http://www.cleveland19.com/story/37159972/how-does-clevelands-2017-murder-rate-compare-to-the-rest-of-ohio-and-us 1) It's nice to see such a clean and easy breakdown of the number of homicides and the murder rate for cities throughout Ohio and the midwest. 2) I find it really surprising that Columbus and Indianapolis have so many homicides. Yes, their municipal boundaries are large, but much of the development within these large boundaries is suburban. I, for one, don't think of large ghettos or extreme concentrations of poverty that can be found in Cleveland or Cincinnati when I think of Columbus and Indy, so these numbers seemed pretty high, even if the homicide rate was comparatively low. I can't think of too many areas outside of the Cincinnati city limits that would have more than one or two homicides a year, so I can't imagine the total number raising too much if the boundaries were expanded to cover suburbs ala Cbus or Indy, but this is just a guess. Is there metro area crime info available somewhere? 3) I can't believe this line made it into a real article: "Cleveland's numbers can be a bit misleading especially when compared to a city like Columbus. Cleveland's numbers represent just those who live in Cleveland proper, and not the suburbs. If you added in all of Cleveland's surrounding suburbs to the population the murder rate would be much lower. That's the reason Columbus' murder rate seems low at 16.26 compared to Cleveland's at 33.18 even though Columbus had more homicides than Cleveland this year. In Columbus there are no suburbs."
January 16, 20187 yr Phrasing isn't ideal but it's nice to see an article point out how these numbers are affected by the way these metros are arranged. Sometimes they don't, which usually makes Cleveland look worse. Then again, Cleveland could eliminate this problem by consolidating its metro the way others have, so I'm not sure we deserve any helpful asterisks.
January 16, 20187 yr Phrasing isn't ideal but it's nice to see an article point out how these numbers are affected by the way these metros are arranged. Sometimes they don't, which usually makes Cleveland look worse. Then again, Cleveland could eliminate this problem by consolidating its metro the way others have, so I'm not sure we deserve any helpful asterisks. The way the law is currently set up, it would be almost politically impossible for Cleveland to do so. So I’m not sure that’s a fair characterization.
January 17, 20187 yr It seems to be taking a long time to ID the victim. I wonder if the victim's age of 21 has anything to do with it? Victim has now been named in the University Circle police shootings death: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/01/man_fatally_shot_by_cleveland_1.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home Also, http://fox8.com/2018/01/15/bystanders-give-first-aid-to-man-shot-by-cleveland-police-after-attacking-officer/
January 17, 20187 yr Phrasing isn't ideal but it's nice to see an article point out how these numbers are affected by the way these metros are arranged. Sometimes they don't, which usually makes Cleveland look worse. Then again, Cleveland could eliminate this problem by consolidating its metro the way others have, so I'm not sure we deserve any helpful asterisks. Even mentioning that poisons efforts to consolidate programs and services at any level. It's a complete non-starter in the Cuyahoga County suburbs, and Cleveland's even allergic to it now (look at the East Cleveland discussions).
January 17, 20187 yr It seems to be taking a long time to ID the victim. I wonder if the victim's age of 21 has anything to do with it? Victim has now been named in the University Circle police shootings death: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/01/man_fatally_shot_by_cleveland_1.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home Also, http://fox8.com/2018/01/15/bystanders-give-first-aid-to-man-shot-by-cleveland-police-after-attacking-officer/ The 9-1-1 dispatcher seems to be trying to suppress the story from the caller. I don't think the dispatcher would be acting that way if the caller never said it was a Cleveland police officer that shot the man. I have no opinion on the guilt of the officer or the victim, I am strictly focusing on the behavior of the dispatcher.
January 17, 20187 yr It seems to be taking a long time to ID the victim. I wonder if the victim's age of 21 has anything to do with it? Victim has now been named in the University Circle police shootings death: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/01/man_fatally_shot_by_cleveland_1.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home Also, http://fox8.com/2018/01/15/bystanders-give-first-aid-to-man-shot-by-cleveland-police-after-attacking-officer/ The 9-1-1 dispatcher seems to be trying to suppress the story from the caller. I don't think the dispatcher would be acting that way if the caller never said it was a Cleveland police officer that shot the man. I have no opinion on the guilt of the officer or the victim, I am strictly focusing on the behavior of the dispatcher. Should be another huge lawsuit costing the City of Cleveland millions...for an officer working OFF DUTY, who should have been fired from the force years ago. When is the city going to take a stand against the union and make sure the force is clean and honorable once more?
January 17, 20187 yr Phrasing isn't ideal but it's nice to see an article point out how these numbers are affected by the way these metros are arranged. Sometimes they don't, which usually makes Cleveland look worse. Then again, Cleveland could eliminate this problem by consolidating its metro the way others have, so I'm not sure we deserve any helpful asterisks. Even mentioning that poisons efforts to consolidate programs and services at any level. It's a complete non-starter in the Cuyahoga County suburbs, and Cleveland's even allergic to it now (look at the East Cleveland discussions). Regionalism will happen eventually out of necessity. It's only a matter of time. Check this: https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/director-of-regional-collaboration-%28unclassified%29-at-cuyahoga-county-569738770
January 17, 20187 yr ^ The shooting victim appears to have been out of control. By these news accounts he seems like a nice guy who made some extremely poor decisions that night.
January 18, 20187 yr Gofundme for the couple murdered at E.96th and Kennedy Ave: https://www.gofundme.com/fischbach :( http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/01/married_couple_found_shot_to_d.html#incart_river_home_pop
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