June 2, 20205 yr I don't understand why people have such a hard time understanding that there are criminals and gangs throughout this city, and that they are more than capable of causing destruction, harm, and looting especially downtown. This was not antifa, this was right in our backyard.
June 4, 20205 yr So fewer than half live in the city..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 4, 20205 yr https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/06/04/willoughby-glass-repair-company-sees-spike-customers/ Years ago, many downtown merchants had folding security gates that they pulled across their storefronts when they were closed. Maybe they will make a comeback.
June 4, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: So fewer than half live in the city..... They used to have to, then the courts ruled that it could not be required. It seemed like half of certain west side neighborhoods were police and fire.
June 4, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, skiwest said: https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/06/04/willoughby-glass-repair-company-sees-spike-customers/ Years ago, many downtown merchants had folding security gates that they pulled across their storefronts when they were closed. Maybe they will make a comeback. Nothing says "vibrant downtown" like steel shutters....
June 4, 20205 yr I know. It's not a good look. Let's hope the events of the last week were just an aberration.
June 4, 20205 yr 36 minutes ago, E Rocc said: They used to have to, then the courts ruled that it could not be required. It seemed like half of certain west side neighborhoods were police and fire. I mean West Park and South Hills still have tons of Police and Fire.
June 4, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: They used to have to, then the courts ruled that it could not be required. It seemed like half of certain west side neighborhoods were police and fire. This is a bit misleading... The full story is that the the state in 2006 passed a law forbidding cities from enforcing their otherwise perfectly valid residency laws, and the state Supreme Court upheld the state law. Courts have never found residency requirements per se impermissible. Just another Ohio GOP "federalism for me, not for thee" episode.
June 4, 20205 yr ^So, are you saying, Cleveland can still have residency requirements for city workers, but is just not allowed to enforce them? If not enforceable, are they still useful? For example, can the requirements be used to deny someone a job because they don't live in the city? Could raises or other benefits be given to those in the city but not others on the basis of residency?
June 4, 20205 yr ^Unenforceable, meaning they are a legal nullity. Effectively repealed, even if the city has not formally done so.
June 4, 20205 yr Do other cities (outside of ohio) have residency requirements and if so, what is the basis of Ohio supreme court's argument---just state preference? I personally had no issues with Cleveland's residency rules. By the way--when the law was in place--they did give leniency on residency for cops to be in surrounding suburbs as CPD has issues in recruiting.
June 4, 20205 yr ^The issue litigated in Ohio was whether the state law conflicted with the constitutional "home rule" provisions. Here's a PD article published on Cleveland.com from 2009 summarizing the decision: https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2009/06/ohio_supreme_court_deals_a_leg.html They are pretty common outside of Ohio, but have been frequently litigated and are on the wane, apparently. https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2013/03/18/should-public-workers-have-to-live-where-they-work
June 5, 20205 yr Joint press conference today with the FBI, DOJ and City of Cleveland today to discuss the arrest of 2 out of town suspects involved in the riots last weekend. From their Facebook messages, I can't tell if the duo are Antifa, White Supremacists or two guys from Erie that are really really bored and and wanted to lay down their video game controllers.
June 6, 20205 yr A friend of mine was beaten up at gunpoint and had his car stolen in Ohio City the other day. I wanted to share his FB post here. Early 6/3/20. It was warm and quiet. Peace ❤ It's all interrelated. I'm in pain. Body and Soul. I'm sitting on my porch steps, bleeding, waiting for the Cleveland Police. It's their second visit, now 1:36 a.m. Spent 3.5 hrs at the ER. I'm wholly broken- physically, spiritually, and emotionally. There is a lot of hate and violence going around, in many directions, a lot of confusion, and hurt. Around 8:15 last night, I was randomly attacked, pistol whipped, and my car was stolen. (*I'm okay..bloodied, sore and badly shaken. It could have been much worse). This is a cry for sanity. It is a lament. A lament for America, for my city..... We are dumb humans, fumbling around with our precious, broken, hearts. I don't have the energy or the inclination to HATE. I'm tired. I'm tired and I've had enough...it has to STOP. We need to stop hating each other and unite. It's all interrelated. We've been duped for so long..and now, with THIS pressure cooker?? Really? Is anyone surprised? I'm not. I could easily make a stab at our current (lack of)leadership. Rightfully. But look at the bigger picture:: 400 hundred years of oppression:: The Oligarchy:: Covid:: Stop hating each other:: Stop being distracted and look at the bigger picture:: THEY distract us and set us against each other:: If WE unite, WE can win the fight. I want to thank Cleveland Police (Officers Vick and Thompson), Cleveland EMS (Toni), and Metrohealth Hospital (Sandra, Sheamus, Sean, Stacy, Pam, Dr. Breitly & Dr. Noeller). I will not be online much. I need to heal (literally). I need to step back and listen, decipher what the Universe wants from me. Comments welcome, but I will not be responding. In the end, IF we are to prevail, if "All Lives Matter", we need to care for each other. If there isn't EQUAL JUSTICE for All, there will not be PEACE for All. Can you dig it? In the words of Kurt Vonnegut: "God damn it, you've got to be kind." All we have is love and each other. It's all interrelated..
June 13, 20205 yr Awful... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20205 yr Rough night on the east side! 1 killed, 9 injured in 7 shooting incidents in Cleveland Saturday night, Sunday morning https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/one-killed-nine-injured-in-seven-shooting-incidents-in-cleveland-saturday-night-sunday-morning?fbclid=IwAR0zRht6QEhZqSwCUZwd2JQRTXl1dDlRoY4DgLpmXcw3tlY_nwobwmF47JA
June 15, 20205 yr WTF? This place has been targeted repeatedly since the downtown riot a couple of weekends ago.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 15, 20205 yr 10 hours ago, KJP said: WTF? This place has been targeted repeatedly since the downtown riot a couple of weekends ago.... Probably some sort of feud between the ownership and someone in the community. At this point their options are to go full Corbo's or close.
June 17, 20204 yr I will never understand how some people couldn't give a damn about driving business/retail out of their own community.
June 17, 20204 yr 14 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: I will never understand how some people couldn't give a damn about driving business/retail out of their own community. How do you know the people robbing the store are from that community?
June 17, 20204 yr 14 hours ago, freefourur said: How do you know the people robbing the store are from that community? Have you never driven through that neighborhood or even look at the crime statistics?
June 17, 20204 yr 6 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: Have you never driven through that neighborhood or even look at the crime statistics? You haven't answered my question.
June 17, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, freefourur said: You haven't answered my question. I highly doubt some outsider from the suburbs goes to a place like E79 to rob and shoot people
June 17, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: I highly doubt some outsider from the suburbs goes to a place like E79 to rob and shoot people who said anything about suburbs? You still haven't answered my question. Just a straight answer please.
June 19, 20204 yr Well, this is interesting: https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/06/19/critics-concerned-after-cleveland-mayor-promotes-city-official-who-chose-not-prosecute-mayors-grandson-after-alleged-assault/
July 6, 20204 yr How much damage? Was it enough to harm efforts to redevelop the structure? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 8, 20204 yr There were rumors online that this accident may have also had an associated shooting, perhaps officer involved. We'll see I guess.https://www.news5cleveland.com/traffic/traffic-news/crash-closes-all-lanes-of-i-90-westbound-at-east-156th-street
August 7, 20204 yr I figured this is the most appropriate thread - as the story relates to safety.. Mods, feel free to move me if necessary - Nonetheless, I heard quite the (secondhand) story this morning at my gym - and it has a couple of layers, so bare with me... A couple of weeks ago, a trainer at my gym was fired for refusing to wear a mask, and then challenging his superior to a fist fight when instructed to do so... From what I've been told, the trainer initially wouldn't wear one, and then began to wear one, but cut holes in it. After several clients complained, management told him he needed to wear a proper mask at all times in the gym and it escalated into a "WE CAN TAKE THIS OUTSIDE BRO" sort of situation - and he was asked to leave for good. What I found out this morning is that, in solidarity with this trainer, Bobby George pulled his membership and withdrew the membership of all Townhall and affiliated employees, which I'd assume made up at least 5% of the gym's membership - potentially more. Assuming the information I have is correct, I just cannot understand how this dude continues to make decision after decision to make himself look like a diaper-rashed sphincter.
August 7, 20204 yr People who are garbage, when called out on being garbage, tend to double down on being garbage.
August 7, 20204 yr any follow up with the old juv justice center? was it arson from sitting empty? i hope it wasnt damaged? its a beautiful structure.
August 8, 20204 yr On 8/7/2020 at 8:39 AM, YABO713 said: I figured this is the most appropriate thread - as the story relates to safety.. Mods, feel free to move me if necessary - Nonetheless, I heard quite the (secondhand) story this morning at my gym - and it has a couple of layers, so bare with me... A couple of weeks ago, a trainer at my gym was fired for refusing to wear a mask, and then challenging his superior to a fist fight when instructed to do so... From what I've been told, the trainer initially wouldn't wear one, and then began to wear one, but cut holes in it. After several clients complained, management told him he needed to wear a proper mask at all times in the gym and it escalated into a "WE CAN TAKE THIS OUTSIDE BRO" sort of situation - and he was asked to leave for good. What I found out this morning is that, in solidarity with this trainer, Bobby George pulled his membership and withdrew the membership of all Townhall and affiliated employees, which I'd assume made up at least 5% of the gym's membership - potentially more. Assuming the information I have is correct, I just cannot understand how this dude continues to make decision after decision to make himself look like a diaper-rashed sphincter. I posted this story on Facebook and the gym's owner responded as follows: This is not entirely accurate. 1. We don’t comment on former employees. Our former trainer is extremely talented and deserves every chance to make a living. We wish him nothing but the best. 2. All decisions regarding memberships at TAC were made by me. Bobby has done nothing that has negatively affected TAC - much less retaliatory - in response to any decision I made. 3. TH employees have never made up even 1% of TAC memberships. 4. How the f*ck did this become a culture war? Wear a f*ckin mask or stay 6 feet apart. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 8, 20204 yr 21 hours ago, YABO713 said: It’s @KJP’s favorite people doing wheelies down W 25th IMG_4855.MOV Who doesn’t love these guys ?.. Hard to see anything done about them when we have a mayor who likens them to street performers.
August 8, 20204 yr Get some steel wire tied to a couple of telephone poles. Repeat this setup around the city a few times and they'll stop riding where they don't belong. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 8, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: I posted this story on Facebook and the gym's owner responded as follows: This is not entirely accurate. 1. We don’t comment on former employees. Our former trainer is extremely talented and deserves every chance to make a living. We wish him nothing but the best. 2. All decisions regarding memberships at TAC were made by me. Bobby has done nothing that has negatively affected TAC - much less retaliatory - in response to any decision I made. 3. TH employees have never made up even 1% of TAC memberships. 4. How the f*ck did this become a culture war? Wear a f*ckin mask or stay 6 feet apart. Lol good stuff @KJP
August 10, 20204 yr https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/large-group-of-dirt-bikes-atvs-motorcycles-take-over-cleveland-streets It seems like this is becoming an annual event. I witnessed this myself a few years ago when they were riding down Clifton Blvd in Lakewood - going through red lights, riding on lawns, etc.
August 10, 20204 yr 12 minutes ago, skiwest said: It seems like this is becoming an annual event. I believe it is. People trailer their bikes here from outside the state to join the lawlessness. Never mind the fact an 8 year old boy was struck by one of these clowns a few years back at Kerruish Park. Enough is enough.
August 10, 20204 yr 21 minutes ago, skiwest said: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/large-group-of-dirt-bikes-atvs-motorcycles-take-over-cleveland-streets It seems like this is becoming an annual event. I witnessed this myself a few years ago when they were riding down Clifton Blvd in Lakewood - going through red lights, riding on lawns, etc. I live in Tremont and smaller scale versions of this occur seemingly every weekend. The one yesterday was... impressive though. I don't really have an issue with large groups riding around like this. It's really a powered version of a critical mass bike ride. I do have an issue with the speed and carelessness that some of the participants display.
August 10, 20204 yr 43 minutes ago, skiwest said: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/large-group-of-dirt-bikes-atvs-motorcycles-take-over-cleveland-streets It seems like this is becoming an annual event. I witnessed this myself a few years ago when they were riding down Clifton Blvd in Lakewood - going through red lights, riding on lawns, etc. I was fortunate enough to be at Steelyard last night when a group of 15-20 of them went about 40 in front of Marshalls/PetCo/Home Depot. Honestly no idea how they haven't been seriously injured by themselves or a really pissed off dad.
August 10, 20204 yr Then there is this.... https://fox8.com/news/cleveland-first-responders-delayed-by-group-of-motorcyclists/ 'Cleveland first responders delayed by group of motorcyclists' "The Cleveland Fire Department tells FOX 8 first responders were delayed trying to get to a jet ski accident because of as many as 200 motorcyclists." If emergency responders cant even get by and nobody does a thing to stop it, we got a problem.
August 11, 20204 yr Anyone see this over the weekend? When first reported the media said they had jumped out of a plane over downtown Cleveland at 2 am. I knew this couldn't be right, and as it turns out, they were base jumping off Reserve Square. The video is brutal! Witness couldn’t believe his eyes, as man breaks his leg base jumping off an apartment roof and crashing into 19 News station (graphic video) https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/08/09/man-breaks-leg-after-base-jumping-off-apartment-roof-crashing-into-news-station/
August 11, 20204 yr 21 hours ago, mrclifton88 said: Then there is this.... https://fox8.com/news/cleveland-first-responders-delayed-by-group-of-motorcyclists/ 'Cleveland first responders delayed by group of motorcyclists' "The Cleveland Fire Department tells FOX 8 first responders were delayed trying to get to a jet ski accident because of as many as 200 motorcyclists." If emergency responders cant even get by and nobody does a thing to stop it, we got a problem. I spoke with a neighbor who I had to tryto talk off a ledge, who has full intentions of taking matters into his own hands. I guess his lawn got turfed last summer while his granddaughter was playing on it.
August 11, 20204 yr Jeez... https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2020/08/man-beaten-to-death-outside-store-in-clevelands-ohio-city-neighborhood.html "Man beaten to death outside store in Cleveland’s Ohio City neighborhood" I saw the headline and knew immediately where this took place... 'The incident happened about 5:45 p.m. outside Linda’s Market on Detroit Avenue and West 28th Street. Partridge walked out of the store when a man walked up next to him and punched him in the head, according to police.'
August 11, 20204 yr 10 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: Jeez... https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2020/08/man-beaten-to-death-outside-store-in-clevelands-ohio-city-neighborhood.html "Man beaten to death outside store in Cleveland’s Ohio City neighborhood" I saw the headline and knew immediately where this took place... 'The incident happened about 5:45 p.m. outside Linda’s Market on Detroit Avenue and West 28th Street. Partridge walked out of the store when a man walked up next to him and punched him in the head, according to police.' So he was beaten to death in broad daylight.... on a main thoroughfare... 200 feet from a highway exit. WUT
August 11, 20204 yr ^That was at the store on W. 28th and Detroit; I was on my way back east and took the W. 28th entrance to the Main Ave. Bridge over. There were at least six police cars present.
August 11, 20204 yr Sadly Lindas will probably get shut down completely, rather than just cleaned up. For car-less residents of Lakeview who want to walk and grab a couple items, their options will be further away.
August 12, 20204 yr 5 hours ago, Cleburger said: Sadly Lindas will probably get shut down completely, rather than just cleaned up. For car-less residents of Lakeview who want to walk and grab a couple items, their options will be further away. It's a liqour store around the corner from the projects. The only way to clean that corner up would be to close that place down.
August 12, 20204 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 12, 20204 yr 19 hours ago, YABO713 said: So he was beaten to death in broad daylight.... on a main thoroughfare... 200 feet from a highway exit. WUT To be fair, it sounds like the guy hit him once, knocked him out, and emptied his pockets. Happened quickly. Still a nasty crime.
August 12, 20204 yr 12 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: It's a liqour store around the corner from the projects. The only way to clean that corner up would be to close that place down. Or put an off duty cop there all the time, at the store's expense. Then of course we get to hear about price gouging and profiling.
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