August 12, 20204 yr 12 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: It's a liqour store around the corner from the projects. The only way to clean that corner up would be to close that place down. I agree. Poor people shouldn’t have access to the same amenities as regular people.
August 12, 20204 yr 59 minutes ago, bumsquare said: I agree. Poor people shouldn’t have access to the same amenities as regular people. So, I wouldn't have phrased it in the dog whistley way he did - but he's right. The store is a net loss for the community down there. I've been in there about a dozen times and never seen anyone under the age of 18 or female. It's a hangout. If the city could work to ensure a similarly situated mini-mart under new ownership could go there, that would be fantastic. Fact of the matter is, current ownership tolerates the crime that happens there. I know there's not much you can do about a smash and grab robbery... but there is a lot you can do about allowing men to loiter on your exterior wall for hours at a time. Take, for instance, the convenient at Bridge and W.41/Randall... there are always gentlemen outside from the neighborhood - but the store owners have active relationships with those people, and its become a part of the community fabric, not a source for concern.
August 12, 20204 yr https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2020/08/man-riding-bird-scooter-shot-in-downtown-cleveland-police-say.html This is the reason West 3rd was blocked off last night for some time– police presence Downtown is abysmal.
August 12, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, YABO713 said: So, I wouldn't have phrased it in the dog whistley way he did - but he's right. The store is a net loss for the community down there. I've been in there about a dozen times and never seen anyone under the age of 18 or female. It's a hangout. If the city could work to ensure a similarly situated mini-mart under new ownership could go there, that would be fantastic. Fact of the matter is, current ownership tolerates the crime that happens there. I know there's not much you can do about a smash and grab robbery... but there is a lot you can do about allowing men to loiter on your exterior wall for hours at a time. Take, for instance, the convenient at Bridge and W.41/Randall... there are always gentlemen outside from the neighborhood - but the store owners have active relationships with those people, and its become a part of the community fabric, not a source for concern. The proximity of concentrated poverty has more to do with these types of crimes than a corner store developing active relationships with “gentlemen from the neighborhood”. If the city was going to replace every corner store owner with a more responsible one (however one would even define that or accomplish that legally) they would have to create an entire department.
August 12, 20204 yr 26 minutes ago, bumsquare said: The proximity of concentrated poverty has more to do with these types of crimes than a corner store developing active relationships with “gentlemen from the neighborhood”. If the city was going to replace every corner store owner with a more responsible one (however one would even define that or accomplish that legally) they would have to create an entire department. I could be wrong, but I'm going to assume this isn't the first person that guy violently assaulted. The bigger problem is that violent sociopaths are running around society and given second, third, fourth and fifth chances to hurt more people.
August 12, 20204 yr 40 minutes ago, bumsquare said: The proximity of concentrated poverty has more to do with these types of crimes than a corner store developing active relationships with “gentlemen from the neighborhood”. If the city was going to replace every corner store owner with a more responsible one (however one would even define that or accomplish that legally) they would have to create an entire department. Bums/pandhandlers/banger-types gravitate to bodegas since those are basically the only businesses in town, and there is constant foot traffic whom they can harass/menace. It's not the fault of the store owner that the neighborhood and occupants are so adversarial.
August 13, 20204 yr 11 hours ago, bumsquare said: I agree. Poor people shouldn’t have access to the same amenities as regular people. A regular person wouldn't be caught dead in that place. How does a liquor and convenient store benefit people at all? It brings more problems than benefit easily.
August 13, 20204 yr 9 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: A regular person wouldn't be caught dead in that place. How does a liquor and convenient store benefit people at all? It brings more problems than benefit easily. What is your definition of a "regular person?" ?
August 13, 20204 yr 20 hours ago, YABO713 said: So, I wouldn't have phrased it in the dog whistley way he did - but he's right. The store is a net loss for the community down there. I've been in there about a dozen times and never seen anyone under the age of 18 or female. It's a hangout. If the city could work to ensure a similarly situated mini-mart under new ownership could go there, that would be fantastic. Fact of the matter is, current ownership tolerates the crime that happens there. I know there's not much you can do about a smash and grab robbery... but there is a lot you can do about allowing men to loiter on your exterior wall for hours at a time. Take, for instance, the convenient at Bridge and W.41/Randall... there are always gentlemen outside from the neighborhood - but the store owners have active relationships with those people, and its become a part of the community fabric, not a source for concern. Hanging out at stores seems to be a cultural thing. It happens at a couple gas stations near me, and the convenience store around the corner. I also see it a lot in Maple Heights and Garfield Heights. In Bedford, not so much, but BPD is still big on "quality of life" issues. It's one of those things that isn't malicious in and of itself, but can make people who aren't used to it uncomfortable. And yes, it can eventually become a point of culture clash or worse.
August 13, 20204 yr 11 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: A regular person wouldn't be caught dead in that place. How does a liquor and convenient store benefit people at all? It brings more problems than benefit easily. I think I am a pretty regular person - 6'2" white male with an advanced degree - and I have been in there over a dozen times. Everyone likes chips. And they don't sell liquor in there.
August 13, 20204 yr 11 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: A regular person wouldn't be caught dead in that place. How does a liquor and convenient store benefit people at all? It brings more problems than benefit easily. First of all, it isn't a liquor store. I agree that Linda's probably either needs to close or have its license revoked/suspended simply due to the crime that's become almost contagious in that spot. This summer, alone, incidents include: a man shot in the leg, a stabbing, and now a murder. Unfortunately, they can't continue status quo. That being said, there's no need for racist undertones. Poverty (NOT skin color) can lead to increased crime. All people - especially low income residents and POC - deserve the same amenities that white middle-to-upper class residents enjoy. Edited August 13, 20204 yr by BJBaes
August 13, 20204 yr 9 minutes ago, BJBaes said: First of all, it isn't a liquor store. I agree that Linda's probably either needs to close or have its license revoked/suspended simply due to the crime that's become almost contagious in that spot. This summer, alone, incidents include: a man shot in the leg, a stabbing, and now a murder. Unfortunately, they can't continue status quo. That being said, there's no need for racist undertones. Poverty (NOT skin color) can lead to increased crime. All people - especially low income residents and POC - deserve the same amenities that white middle-to-upper class residents enjoy. Racist undertone, good lord. Any time you mention crime people throw out the race card. Literally how does closing this place prevent low income and POC (since you think that is who I am targeting) prevent them from benefiting from the same amenities that white middle to upper class residents enjoy? You know white middle to upper class residents enjoy? safety. Im sure low income residents do to.
August 13, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, Cleburger said: What is your definition of a "regular person?" ? The definition that bumsquare had in mind when he was the first to comment it.
August 23, 20204 yr If you need gas and you're around Kinsman and E. 139, I don't recommend the Hanini gas station on that corner. Its quite a deadly gas station. "A 41-year-old man is not expected to survive a beating at a gas station in the city’s Mount Pleasant neighborhood...Three people have been killed at the gas station so far in 2020." Man pummeled at Cleveland gas station not expected to survive, court records say https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2020/08/man-pummeled-at-cleveland-gas-station-not-expected-to-survive-court-records-say.html
September 4, 20204 yr Sadly one of Cleveland's own has fallen. I'm posting the CNN link as I specifically looked at multiple outlets as I'm sure to see an entire day of conservative Twitter posts about "mainstream media won't report this..."
September 4, 20204 yr Just now, freefourur said: ^ let's bring the suspects to justice. From reports I've seen, all hands are on deck. CPD, FBI and US Marshalls fugitives all on the hunt. Even Mayor Jackson was up late on camera last night.
September 15, 20204 yr Angry old man kills neighbor over dog dispute https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/09/14/cleveland-woman-shot-killed-neighbors-say-she-was-murdered-by-elderly-neighbor-over-pit-bull-dispute/?outputType=amp Of course, he shot at her dog the day before and police didn't charge him, because why would they charge an honorable man defending his property. With the way people on this board talk about how much they hate their neighbors, who wants to bet he had an account here.
September 15, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, Cavalier Attitude said: Angry old man kills neighbor over dog dispute https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/09/14/cleveland-woman-shot-killed-neighbors-say-she-was-murdered-by-elderly-neighbor-over-pit-bull-dispute/?outputType=amp Of course, he shot at her dog the day before and police didn't charge him, because why would they charge an honorable man defending his property. With the way people on this board talk about how much they hate their neighbors, who wants to bet he had an account here. I would go absolutely insane if someone kicked my dog, let alone shot it
September 15, 20204 yr Has anyone else noticed the tags around Ohio City, which even include some stickers (lol)... Nonetheless, it says "ALOT" or "ALOT 2 TIMES"... Sometimes the tags are oriented like this: A L O T Does anyone know what these are and if they're gang related? A friend of mine genuinely wants to troll this group and wherever they tag, follow up the next night with captions underneath the tags like "drinks soy milk lattes", "is not good at arm wrestling", "pours milk in the bowl before the cereal"
September 29, 20204 yr Time to bump the best thread on UO ? https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2020/09/28/what-trump-and-biden-should-debate-at-the-cleveland-clinic-why-the-hospitals-private-police-mostly-arrest-black-people The idea that Biden and Trump should debate this is laughable, but this is a serious issue. Quote A police cruiser was coming toward them. Eric Parks, the officer inside, rolled down his window and shouted at Jackson and Williams to use the crosswalk. When they didn’t, Parks pulled up and drove onto the sidewalk curb to block their path, they said. Parks then jumped out of the cruiser, grabbed Jackson, bent his arm behind his back and pinned him against the vehicle. Parks held him there for several minutes as two more officers responded to the scene. In a police report, Parks said that the pair initially refused to provide identification, and that he held Jackson against the cruiser because “I felt he might strike me.” Parks and a second officer, Steven Jevnikar, wrote that Jackson and Williams cursed repeatedly, complaining that the only reason they had been stopped was because they were Black. Parks also said Jackson had begun to flee, which Jackson and Williams denied. Jackson said he had no reason to run away. He was steps from his car, his clinic identification badge was draped around his neck and he was carrying a backpack filled with textbooks. According to Jackson, Parks told the other officers, “They usually run.” It was clear, Jackson said, that the comment referred to Black people. Jevnikar apparently mocked Jackson’s distress. When Jackson, his lip quivering, was “staring me down,” Jevnikar wrote in his report, “I asked him if he was having a stroke.” Parks cited Williams and Jackson for jaywalking. “I was scared as hell,” Williams said. “It was traumatizing.” Bruised and in pain, Jackson immediately went to the clinic emergency room, missing his class. “I felt violated,” he said. “These people are supposed to be protecting me.” What a horrifying story. Beaten, insulted, and threatened by private security goons for jaywalking. I am white, have jaywalked hundreds of times, and never had anything remotely like this happen to me. I see jaywalking every day I drive through downtown. It happens. It doesn't deserve this extreme response. The Clinic/UH/UC police have been trained to see black people as a threat. They act like an occupying mercenary military force. And the statistics show that they are arresting black people (mostly for petty infractions) at rates far greater than the demographics would imply.
September 29, 20204 yr It's common knowledge that Cleveland Clinic tries to avoid Medicaid patients the best they can, so these kinds of policing stats are hardly surprising either.
October 10, 20204 yr Ugh And "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 18, 20204 yr https://twitter.com/ClevelandFire/status/1317437342760734720?s=20 Edited October 18, 20204 yr by viscomi Embedding broken? Changed to link
October 23, 20204 yr On 10/18/2020 at 2:34 PM, viscomi said: https://twitter.com/ClevelandFire/status/1317437342760734720?s=20 Is the structure beyond repair? Whats the likelihood this was an insurance scheme? *Never mind always read before commenting, ha. Edited October 23, 20204 yr by FutureboyWonder
October 23, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, FutureboyWonder said: Is the structure beyond repair? Whats the likelihood this was an insurance scheme? *Never mind always read before commenting, ha. I went past the building yesterday. From Old River road you couldn't tell there was a fire whatsoever. If it was an insurance scheme that failed miserably at that game.
November 17, 20204 yr Cleveland had 15 homicides last week. That’s ridiculous. Compared to 15 total homicides in, for example, the entire month of Sept 2019. 168 total to date and counting...
November 22, 20204 yr On 11/17/2020 at 3:19 PM, CLENYC said: Cleveland had 15 homicides last week. That’s ridiculous. Compared to 15 total homicides in, for example, the entire month of Sept 2019. 168 total to date and counting... FYI: Hamilton, Ontario, an industrial city with more population than Cleveland, just reported its 15th homicide for the ENTIRE YEAR. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 22, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: FYI: Hamilton, Ontario, an industrial city with more population than Cleveland, just reported its 15th homicide for the ENTIRE YEAR. Canada has alot better social welfare systems which creates less extreme generational poverty and less violence as a result. I remember walking around Toronto, even in the, rough areas you feel pretty safe. It's something I'm envious about because in most major US cities you have to be pretty wary about which part of town is safe vs unsafe.
November 22, 20204 yr 5 hours ago, Pugu said: ^168 is appalling. But you can't compare Cleveland to Canada though..... I just did, especially another Great Lakes city. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 22, 20204 yr What’s up with Beachwood Place? This place makes the news for all the wrong reasons. I remember some kind of flash mob incident/s a couple-few years ago on national news and thinking “in Beachwood at Beachwood Place?” this being or was CLE’s upscale mall. Another parking lot shooting at 2pm yesterday. 5 shootings in 3 years with parking lot drug dealing being an issue due to I-271 access...wtf? Now excellent interstate highway parking lot access has to consider the drug trade using the same access? Unbelievable.
November 23, 20204 yr Ah, the ol' highway parking lot excuse. Eureka, that must be it. It certainly isn't a combination of dramatic demographic changes, lack of visible mall security, and emboldened/enabled generational criminal behavior. Nope, I-271 has done it again. Edited November 23, 20204 yr by TBideon
November 23, 20204 yr 18 hours ago, TBideon said: Ah, the ol' highway parking lot excuse. Eureka, that must be it. It certainly isn't a combination of dramatic demographic changes, lack of visible mall security, and emboldened/enabled generational criminal behavior. Nope, I-271 has done it again. Just repeating what was mentioned in the article..but yes all those things you list. I 271 is easy ingress-egress from beachwood place for drug deals as much as regular shoppers though. Certainly I 271 isn’t the source of the problem and no one is stating that. Edited November 23, 20204 yr by CLENYC
November 23, 20204 yr 36 minutes ago, CLENYC said: Just repeating what was mentioned in the article..but yes all those things you list. I 271 is easy ingress-egress from beachwood place for drug deals as much as regular shoppers though. Certainly I 271 isn’t the source of the problem and no one is stating that. The shooter this week appears to be a football player present or recent past FROM Beachwood...
November 23, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, eyehrtfood said: The shooter this week appears to be a football player present or recent past FROM Beachwood... Great..a homegrown Beachwood criminal...didn’t need to use I 271 to get there lol. still, 6 shootings at CLE upscale mall in 3 years is not a good sign whether these losers walk there, drive, use I271, the RTA...throw in a flash mob rampage and well...
November 23, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, eyehrtfood said: The shooter this week appears to be a football player present or recent past FROM Beachwood... Oops - "alleged" - a quick search of his name shows football highlight vids... Edited November 23, 20204 yr by eyehrtfood
November 25, 20204 yr On 11/17/2020 at 3:19 PM, CLENYC said: Cleveland had 15 homicides last week. That’s ridiculous. Compared to 15 total homicides in, for example, the entire month of Sept 2019. 168 total to date and counting... On 11/21/2020 at 8:39 PM, KJP said: FYI: Hamilton, Ontario, an industrial city with more population than Cleveland, just reported its 15th homicide for the ENTIRE YEAR. The homicide total and frequency for Cleveland is getting worse. Per a cleveland.com article on Tuesday, November 24th, the count for the year is now 173. Unfortunately, based upon the trending, especially during the last several weeks, the count will probably exceed 190 for the year. As for cleveland.com, with the frequency of homicides and the staffing cuts at that publication, they either run articles days later, group homicides together in one or don't even report them at all. Then when an article reports the tally for the year, it jumps even more.
November 25, 20204 yr 7 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said: The homicide total and frequency for Cleveland is getting worse. Per a cleveland.com article on Tuesday, November 24th, the count for the year is now 173. Unfortunately, based upon the trending, especially during the last several weeks, the count will probably exceed 190 for the year. As for cleveland.com, with the frequency of homicides and the staffing cuts at that publication, they either run articles days later, group homicides together in one or don't even report them at all. Then when an article reports the tally for the year, it jumps even more. Cleveland’s 173rd homicide took place Monday evening in Kamms Corners, an area seeing a rash of armed carjackings lately as well. A 19 yo male shot and killed in a vehicle as he and another male were leaving a funeral service. Car pulled up and opened fire killing the 19 yo driver, passenger exited car and returned fire. Obviously a retaliation killing meant for either or both of these dudes. really? Open gunfire shoot-out at Lorain/Triskett? On a Monday night at 8pm? then again, an armed carjacking took place right in here at Geppetos pizza recently. not only is the total and frequency out of hand again, so is the rate of homicides. We’re comparing 1991 totals which CLE is about to surpass when the city still had 500,000 population; today, CLE estimated pop. is 380,000 and seeing gun violence-homicides at a 30 year high. When Mayor Jackson’s own home was tracked to gun violence and cops have to invade the place and then see pics of an armed teenaged gang-banger posing in Jackson’s driveway with a fan of $20s and a CPD vehicle is visible in the background, well...oh, and throw in the latest national war on police depts, whether it’s defunding or disbanding (I mean who else wants that other than white SJWs and criminal thugs?)...and we have a recipe for a lot of lost lives, mainly black males 16-34 in CLE and across the nation. Edited November 25, 20204 yr by CLENYC
November 26, 20204 yr ^ All that despite Cleveland having hired hundreds more police officers. Gee, it's almost like having more police doesn't correlate to less violence. Maybe it's time to discuss alternative methods to reduce crime long term, instead of arresting people after the fact.
November 26, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, Mendo said: ^ All that despite Cleveland having hired hundreds more police officers. Gee, it's almost like having more police doesn't correlate to less violence. Maybe it's time to discuss alternative methods to reduce crime long term, instead of arresting people after the fact. A better picture of the police department would be developed by not looking at the number of police officers hired, but how many officers are in the department. I have a strong feeling that the department has not appreciably grown in size, but the increased number of officers hired did little more than to keep pace with attrition. In 2016 while campaigning for the income tax increase from 2.0% to 2.5%, he pandered to the residents of the city stating that 88% of the the increase would be paid by non-city residents. He promised that he would use the increased proceeds to hire more police officers. Technically, the city did hire more officers, but he knew that more officers had to be hired as the department was facing more retirements along with officers leaving for all kinds of reasons. In addition, the police department is handcuffed by policy. Under most circumstances, they cannot pursue. They are under intense scrutiny regarding the use of force. The criminal element knows the limitations on the department. Too few officers covering too large of an area. They have time to get away and even if police arrive in time, they can flee with the knowledge they may not be chased. Edited November 26, 20204 yr by LifeLongClevelander
November 27, 20204 yr Attacking BLM or black athletes for not protesting murders in general is a tired, borderline (at best) racist trope, and not really on topic.
December 5, 20204 yr Okay folks, thanks to a few knuckleheads this thread was locked. Again. As usual, lots of tangental posts (which unfortunately may have had some good discussion points) got pruned. Other posts were nothing more than back-and-forth/stir-sh!t-up - if you're thinking "is that directed at me?", yeah - yeah it is. It's why we have a private messaging option - use it. That said - when the Admins and Mods are handing out suspensions (and it's the holiday season so we're in the giving spirit), we consider the forumer's overall contributions. Simply put - if we review posts and see nothing other than argumentative/off-topic garbage, the suspension gets a little longer. When we see certain forumer's posts rarely adding to the discussion of the core areas/threads (urban planning, development, etc.), that's pretty telling that the Admins/Mods will have to spend an inordinate amount of time dealing with them - and the suspension gets even longer. The non-core threads and sections like Current Events are offered as a courtesy. Membership and participation on this forum is a privilege and should be treated as such. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 12, 20204 yr Any off topic posting in this thread will earn the forumer a week off. Think before you post. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/heavy-local-and-federal-police-presence-at-steelyard-commons-for-possible-shooting clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
December 15, 20204 yr 12 year old boy shot and killed at w 25th/Franklin in Ohio city this evening. A man was shot and killed in Detroit-Shoreway (65th/Lawn) 40 minutes earlier. These are homicides 179 and 180 to date this year. CLE 2019 homicide total was 133. CLE has seen 12 minors killed to date this year with 2 minors killed in the last 5 days. 8 minors under 17 shot in CLE since November 17. CLE can expect at least another 8 homicides based on this year’s rate. Edited December 15, 20204 yr by CLENYC
December 15, 20204 yr 17 hours ago, CLENYC said: 12 year old boy shot and killed at w 25th/Franklin in Ohio city this evening. A man was shot and killed in Detroit-Shoreway (65th/Lawn) 40 minutes earlier. These are homicides 179 and 180 to date this year. CLE 2019 homicide total was 133. CLE has seen 12 minors killed to date this year with 2 minors killed in the last 5 days. 8 minors under 17 shot in CLE since November 17. CLE can expect at least another 8 homicides based on this year’s rate. Looks like there’s a bit of an update here...boy was a 13 year old killed during a drug deal turned robbery. Kid killed as the vehicle he was in was driving away; one of the robbers opened fire on vehicle killing this kid. This going down on a Monday evening (6:40pm) on Ohio City’s w 25th street. also, while this thread was locked, last week there was another armed carjacking in Kamms Corners/West Park...mid-week 1pm armed carjacking at W158/Munn Road. Not a good trend going on in what is or was considered CLE “cop land”. Carjacking at W28/Church last week as well at 5pm. CLE still seriously struggling with its violent crime reputation. Edited December 15, 20204 yr by CLENYC
December 15, 20204 yr ^ It's the same everywhere so quit acting like Cleveland is unique in this regard.... Columbus: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2020/11/13/grim-milestone-columbus-passes-record-homicide-total/6058028002/ NYC: https://www.insider.com/murder-shooting-count-up-high-unchartered-waters-new-york-2020-10
December 15, 20204 yr Just now, Clefan98 said: ^ It's the same everywhere so quit acting like Cleveland is unique in this regard.... Columbus: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2020/11/13/grim-milestone-columbus-passes-record-homicide-total/6058028002/ NYC: https://www.insider.com/murder-shooting-count-up-high-unchartered-waters-new-york-2020-10 It’s the Cleveland Crime thread so why are you going off topic with NYC and Columbus news? Who says this is unique to CLE? CLE has a much higher homicide rate than either of these 2 cities anyway and has a much worse reputation than either as well.
December 15, 20204 yr 4 minutes ago, CLENYC said: It’s the Cleveland Crime thread so why are you going off topic with NYC and Columbus news? Who says this is unique to CLE? CLE has a much higher homicide rate than either of these 2 cities anyway and has a much worse reputation than either as well. Crime is way up in all cities across the board. Cleveland's rise this year isn't unique, so chill out.
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