January 27, 200916 yr I hereby renew my cry for increased foot patrols downtown. I second that motion. At the very least, CSU police need foot patrols. I wonder what plans they have for campus safety with the building of the new dorms.
January 27, 200916 yr I hereby renew my cry for increased foot patrols downtown. I second that motion. At the very least, CSU police need foot patrols. I wonder what plans they have for campus safety with the building of the new dorms. I'd be amazed if those plans involved much hiring.
January 27, 200916 yr And the WHD comes out looking not too bad. Whew! Well, except for that assault on W. 6th. The thing is, there is an assault there every night by a big drunk guy against another big drunk guy. I don't think those should even count if its withing 100 feet of a Paninis.
January 27, 200916 yr One thing I will say is that the map can be a little bit misleading, because it only gives you an idea of how many crimes happen over a given area, not how many crimes are happening for a given number of people in that area. Areas that have a lot of people doing many different things like Downtown will show a lot of crime, but it's spread across a large number of office workers, visitors, residents, etc.
January 27, 200916 yr And the WHD comes out looking not too bad. Whew! Well, except for that assault on W. 6th. The thing is, there is an assault there every night by a big drunk guy against another big drunk guy. I don't think those should even count if its withing 100 feet of a Paninis. LOL, yeah, and anything that takes place in a club isn't a "crime".
January 27, 200916 yr Question, these are "reported" crimes correct? It doesn't tell if a crime is "solved".
January 28, 200916 yr Regarding the Tremont gas station hold up, that does not really surprise me, considering it happened at like 2,30am (I'm not implying that it's somehow the victim's fault). I wonder if the gas station has a policy that clerks are to surrender the money upon any attempted robbery and, if so, could the clerk's non-compliance give rise to some sort of negligence lawsuit. Doesn't sound like something a jury would go for. "This guy was so bad at being a crime victim that he should owe money for it. Everyone knows you have to let the robber win." No...You don't. When I was a victim of an atempted robbery I refused to give up my stuff. People work to hard to just give up stuff. I'm one who's going to fight. When you fight back, the odds of you being injured decrease by like half. And if you are CC'ing, it decreases even more dramatically. :shoot: :shoot: :shoot:
January 28, 200916 yr Regarding the Tremont gas station hold up, that does not really surprise me, considering it happened at like 2,30am (I'm not implying that it's somehow the victim's fault). I wonder if the gas station has a policy that clerks are to surrender the money upon any attempted robbery and, if so, could the clerk's non-compliance give rise to some sort of negligence lawsuit. Doesn't sound like something a jury would go for. "This guy was so bad at being a crime victim that he should owe money for it. Everyone knows you have to let the robber win." No...You don't. When I was a victim of an atempted robbery I refused to give up my stuff. People work to hard to just give up stuff. I'm one who's going to fight. When you fight back, the odds of you being injured decrease by like half. And if you are CC'ing, it decreases even more dramatically. :shoot: :shoot: :shoot: Most robbers are punk azzes anyway! They guy that tried to Rob me was high as hell and couldn't even hold the gun right. It made me so mad. I just remember cursing like nobody's business and people running to the opposite end of the train.
February 1, 200916 yr This is an absolutely despicable story... http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/01/man_killed_two_arrested_in_cle.html CLEVELAND -- A 25-year-old Cleveland man was shot and killed after getting robbed around 8 p.m. Friday in the 5900 block of Bonna Street. Police said John Bozich, of the 2900 block of East 57th Street, and his wife were walking on Bonna with another man when they were approached by two men with guns. The assailants took cash from Bozich and then turned their attention to his wife. ...
February 17, 200916 yr Can someone please tell me where I can find crime statistics for downtown Cleveland to prove to the idiots on cleveland.com that downtown is safe (at least it seems so since I've lived here)? I understand east of downtown is not the safest but I'm talking the actual downtown area.
February 17, 200916 yr http://tinyurl.com/d4r87t Courtesy of Cd-Cleveland. The county website has crime stats too, I think.
February 18, 200916 yr It is a great resource but since you have nothing to compare it to, best of luck convincing the village idiots of anything. You'll want to compare Cleveland downtown crime with figures per capita of other "downtowns." That's difficult to figure.
February 19, 200916 yr Well ain't this some shhhyt! David Kocmit of Cleveland fell outside club, claimed hate-crime attack, police say Posted by Stan Donaldson/Plain Dealer Reporter February 19, 2009 05:35AM Categories: Crime, Real Time News A 27-year-old Cleveland man will be charged with making false alarms after he fell outside of a strip club earlier this month and made the incident out to be a hate crime, police say. David Kocmit could face six months in jail and up to a $1,000 fine if convicted. He will formally be arraigned March 3. ... http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/02/david_kocmit_of_cleveland_fell.html
February 19, 200916 yr I heard about that on the radio today. what a d*ck! No kidding! I can't believe there are still people who think like that.
February 19, 200916 yr ^ugh. What a dumba$$. Also, Simeone is going to a grand jury. I hope no charges come from that incident.
February 19, 200916 yr He was probably talking about the future hate crime that would have taken place either in the parking lot or the robbery in his car had he not fell first :roll: .....But seriously this guy is pathetic and i hope hope hope hope he gets the full 6 months in jail and the $1000 fine on top of it :whip:
February 23, 200916 yr http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/02/two_men_shot_sunday_in_clevela.html 2 men shot in downtown Cleveland robbery were 'truly innocent' victims Posted by Plain Dealer staff February 23, 2009 11:06AM Categories: Crime, Real Time News View Larger Map CLEVELAND — Two people shot about 2:40 a.m. Sunday in the 1700 block of East 12th Street were likely the victims in a robbery, police said. "They were truly innocent people," said Lt. Thomas Stacho, police spokesman. "It was an apparent robbery." Jeremy Pechanec, 28, and Jory Abely, 26, had attended a party at Scorchers in downtown Cleveland, witnesses said. Both were shot after the bar closed. ...
February 23, 200916 yr *Ugh. Will be curious to hear what the full story is. Scorchers as a whole is a little rough around the edges, especially considering that it's pretty much in a hotel...
February 23, 200916 yr I have never been there. I would have assumee that a hotel bar is generally "nicer."
February 23, 200916 yr I don't think it's a "hotel bar" per se, more like a sports bar that happens to be in a hotel - the Embassy Suites has its own bar (on the 5th floor I believe). clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 23, 200916 yr How does someone get shot right outside a downtown bar, at which there's been "a party," at closing time on a Saturday night? How was there no police or private security presence during that short yet critical period of need? It's only people's lives and downtown's reputation at stake, no biggie. In other news, speeding has been greatly reduced on Detroit Avenue at 9am.
February 23, 200916 yr haha; I think bc Scorcher's is a little off the beaten path. It's not near any other bars (none that come to mind). Also, it's the responsibility of the bar to hire private security. The bar probably just kicked them out, they all gathered outside, and then the fatal shots were fired. Unless a patrol car was going by, the cops wouldn't be there. Plus, for every bar fight, how many end in shoot-outs? Not too many I would guess.
February 23, 200916 yr According to a lot of reports, the fight began either in or outside of Scorchers but the gunfire happened over in Perk Park. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 23, 200916 yr That's kind of what I'm saying, this doesn't reflect well on the bar if they're letting this stuff happen right outside the door. Technically it's police territory outside... but if it came from the bar, it came from the bar. So bring in Patrick Swayze or some such.
February 23, 200916 yr the updated cleveland.com story has Lt. Stacho saying that these two individuals were "innocent" and that it was a robbery. Apparently the young man who was murdered had been shot "execution" style - according to the Coroner. This probably has nothing to do with a bar fight - but more to do with heartless street thugs who have no respect for others personal belongings or life. Unfortunately with such evil people out there - there is little police or anyone can do.
February 23, 200916 yr As a resident of the Avenue District, I personally would rather see that space better utilized with something other than Scorchers. I really do not even like walking past that bar, especially in the summer when the patio is full of totally obnoxious drunks. On a related note, Perk Park is going to be lit up like a Christmas tree with no concrete bunkers after it's re-done within the next year or two.
February 23, 200916 yr That story just makes me sick. I know people at the Cleveland Clinic Medical School, I know the area they were assaulted pretty well, and I have friends who live in nearby apartments. I always think of downtown as being somewhat insulated from the inner city crimes, but then you hear about crap like this and you almost hope that it's bar fight related
February 23, 200916 yr This is a very sad story, and exactly the type of crime that will drive people out of Downtown.
February 23, 200916 yr I just don't get why someone would shoot people in the head just to rob them. Why would you murder two people if you could just punch them or shoot them in the leg or something? I don't know - I just have a hard time believing this was totally random. And maybe it was - I'm just curious for more details, especially since witnesses reported hearing a fight. Who were the witnesses anyway? Bar employees cleaning up?
February 23, 200916 yr I think the bottom line is that though I consider downtown "safe", there is an element of possible crime in every single city in america. Even that being said, at 2:45am+ you really need to be aware of your surroundings. Scorchers is pretty much on an island in the middle of the night. There's no other real activity around there. 12th and 13th around chester are not places I consider being late at night... Particuarly not in Perk Park. I'll be ecstatic when that dark, unsafe, problem area gets bulldozed for a better thought out public space. This is certainly going to be a black eye for downtown however. Most importantly I hope the families of these people are holding up OK. I also can't wait until they catch these guys. I'm pretty sure the police are well aware of where they live.
February 23, 200916 yr I'd be okay if they just bulldozed Perk Park, temp-fenced it off and let it sit idle until they can actually begin work on it. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 23, 200916 yr I'd be okay if they just bulldozed Perk Park, temp-fenced it off and let it sit idle until they can actually begin work on it. Sounds like a good suggestion to me. Want me to suggest that to Cimperman :)?
February 23, 200916 yr renovations won't be the problem... getting CMHA to actually keep renting standards to where they need to be is the problem. I hate CMHA. And I feel bad for all the very good people who are subjected to living amongst some of thugs they allow into their properties.
February 23, 200916 yr renovations won't be the problem... getting CMHA to actually keep renting standards to where they need to be is the problem. I hate CMHA. And I feel bad for all the very good people who are subjected to living amongst some of thugs they allow into their properties. But most of the people that live around there are senior citizens. I had a very nice conversation with one woman who lives in the building at E. 13th and Superior at the bus stop one morning. The rougher crowd that ends up around there is family members visiting. I watch them come and go (rather loudly) all the time. Ambassador Lanes may contribute as well, although I've never personally been there. All I know is that I've called the DCA before on loud groups of people exiting at closing time.
February 23, 200916 yr ^Actually, CMHA changed their tenant laws to allow "grandchildren" and other "charges" to occupy senior units with their senior relatives. It's had a rather detrimental effect on properties that were exclusively reserved for the elderly. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
February 23, 200916 yr renovations won't be the problem... getting CMHA to actually keep renting standards to where they need to be is the problem. I hate CMHA. And I feel bad for all the very good people who are subjected to living amongst some of thugs they allow into their properties. But most of the people that live around there are senior citizens. I had a very nice conversation with one woman who lives in the building at E. 13th and Superior at the bus stop one morning. The rougher crowd that ends up around there is family members visiting. I watch them come and go (rather loudly) all the time. Ambassador Lanes may contribute as well, although I've never personally been there. All I know is that I've called the DCA before on loud groups of people exiting at closing time. the parkview is the worst building in town. Winton Manor was remodeled as senior housing. Some people were grandfathered and allowed to stay. Others were kicked out. When they couldn't get as many senior residents as they hoped, they began leasing to some of the exact same people they had kicked out a few months earlier. And yes, residents younger family members are a big part of the problem... which is the responsibility of CMHA. They HAVE to do a better job of screening residents, and enforcing their policies. I've met many people like the lady you met at the bus stop. I think it's most unfair to those people to be subjected to CMHA's loose enforcement.
February 23, 200916 yr I just don't get why someone would shoot people in the head just to rob them. Why would you murder two people if you could just punch them or shoot them in the leg or something? I don't know - I just have a hard time believing this was totally random. This actually happens quite a bit in DC, even in my neighborhood of Adams Morgan (the senseless robberies can be pretty brutal here). I always thought of Cleveland as more civilized. I hope that is still the case..
February 23, 200916 yr I just don't get why someone would shoot people in the head just to rob them. Why would you murder two people if you could just punch them or shoot them in the leg or something? I don't know - I just have a hard time believing this was totally random. This actually happens quite a bit in DC, even in my neighborhood of Adams Morgan (the senseless robberies can be pretty brutal here). I always thought of Cleveland as more civilized. I hope that is still the case.. It can happen anywhere at any time and I'm confident you realize that. Regardless of city, state or country.
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