My city has more ghettos than yours does! nya nya!

 

Please...

^

Yeah, this thread was starting to get really juvenile.

a cities true greatness is defined by its ghettos

This is quite amusing.

East 65th between Union and 490 is not that bad.  The 2 murders there this year are attributed to that gang of 14 and 15 year old pieces of s%$t that have since been apprehended.

 

Including E55th and Fleet on your list is valid and it pains me to admit that.  I grew up just north of Fleet on 55th and have great memories of it, but in the last ten years things have gotten progressively worse.

 

I think a big part of it may be the fact that a lot of residents of CMHA housing at Riverview (Ohio City) and Valley View Estates (Tremont) have been displaced by their demolition and have moved into Slavic Village.

East 65th between Union and 490 is not that bad.  The 2 murders there this year are attributed to that gang of 14 and 15 year old pieces of s%$t that have since been apprehended.

 

Including E55th and Fleet on your list is valid and it pains me to admit that.  I grew up just north of Fleet on 55th and have great memories of it, but in the last ten years things have gotten progressively worse.

 

I think a big part of it may be the fact that a lot of residents of CMHA housing at Riverview (Ohio City) and Valley View Estates (Tremont) have been displaced by their demolition and have moved into Slavic Village.

 

I believe the displacement to Slavic Village is 100% correct, but the 2 homicides at Fleet and E. 55th are 2 different murders and neither is related to the "goonies gang". Both were people shot in the head and found in the street on 2 separate occasions. The "goonies" murder was an old lady who fell after being mugged and she died later in the hospital from internal injuries.

goonies? wow, south side chicago's reach is far.

I have to agree with ColDayMan's opinion (and this is ONLY my opinion) about OTR vs. Arlington in Akron, at least regarding the "feel" of each neighborhood.

 

Back in the day, my ex lived with his grandmother on Talbot Avenue (off Arlington south of I-76). Sure, I stuck out like a sore thumb but I never felt like stepping out of the car for a minute would be a horrible idea (walking around taking in the sights is another story). When I visited my friends in Cincy a few years back and we went to Club Clau - we parked a block away and as others have pointed out - the criminal element is right there (or in our case, right across the street, making deals with other nightlifers walking to and fro).

 

A lot of the perception has to do with the built environment (OTR is more dense and adjacent to the CBD, Arlington becomes quickly residential/mixed-use the further south you go.). I'd have to say the "worst" (again, only my opinion) areas I've personally visited in Cleveland are East 105th south of St. Clair, and Forest Avenue off East 116th - I've never been to places like Garden Valley and I don't think I'm missing out on anything  :-)

Drug dealing is absolutely rampant on East 105th and on Ansel, on the other side of Rockefeller Park.  My theory is this- drug dealers, like retail operators, care about access for their customers.  MLK ensures that customers can drop of the highway and then zoom in and out of the scene of the crime real quick.  Ergo, the nearest through streets on either side become the best location for doing business.

From the 4/1/06 PD:

 

 

Cleveland gets $2.5 million to combat street gangs

Saturday, April 01, 2006

Joe Guillen

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

To fight the most violent gangs in the country, the U.S. Department of Justice on Friday handed out $2.5 million each to Cleveland and five other regions.

 

The money will be divided into three categories: $1 million for gang membership prevention, $1 million for law enforcement to combat gangs on the street and $500,000 for programs to ease prisoners' re-entry into society.

 

...

 

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

[email protected], 216-999-4675

 

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1143884331209190.xml&coll=2

 

  Does anyone know what the current number of homicides in the city of cleveland is so far this year?  Hard to find that info it seems.....

JDD941,

 

Here's what we have so far this year:

 

downtown and nearby vicinities:

 

w. 10 @ old river rd. - east bank of the flats

e. 40 between s. marginal and lakeside - goodrich-kirtland park

e. 55 @ st. claire - goodrich-kirtland park

 

west side:

 

w. 85 @ madison -  cudell/detroit shoreway

w. 86 between madison and lorain - detroit shoreway

w. 90 between denison and clark - west blvd neighborhood

w. 90 @ clark - west blvd neighborhood/cudell

w. 105 @ lorain - west blvd neighborhood/cudell

 

main drag of the east side:

 

e. 54 @ fleet - south broadway (slavic village)

e. 57 @ fleet - south broadway (slavic village)

e. 71 between bessemer and union - north broadway

e. 93 @ union - kinsman/union-miles park

e. 112 @ union - mt. pleasant

e. 116 @ miles - corlett/union-miles park

e. 142 @ harvard - corlett

 

north-east side of cleveland/east cleveland area:

 

e. 105 @ wade park (4 children died in a fire) - hough/university circle

e. 105 @ i-90

e. 127 @ st. claire

e. 177 @ villaview

 

22 homicides through April 11.

Wow!  Not only did you know how many...but WHERE as well.  Good info...where did you find that?  Thanks

 

A lot of the perception has to do with the built environment (OTR is more dense and adjacent to the CBD, Arlington becomes quickly residential/mixed-use the further south you go.). I'd have to say the "worst" (again, only my opinion) areas I've personally visited in Cleveland are East 105th south of St. Clair, and Forest Avenue off East 116th - I've never been to places like Garden Valley and I don't think I'm missing out on anything  :-)

Drug dealing is absolutely rampant on East 105th and on Ansel, on the other side of Rockefeller Park.  My theory is this- drug dealers, like retail operators, care about access for their customers.  MLK ensures that customers can drop of the highway and then zoom in and out of the scene of the crime real quick.  Ergo, the nearest through streets on either side become the best location for doing business.

 

i have been in almost all the nabes mentioned on this interesting thread and if i had to put my foot down i would agree with these sentiments of mayday and x. my college roomate was from st. clair and one oh-something and i used to spend some time there with him. i drove around again a couple summers ago on a visit and it seemed about the same, but it was a quick daytime drive thru so i dk anymore. the dayton area mentioned i am familar with and never spent any time there, but dont get that bad news vibe as it passes quickly and imo to fit a criteria like this there needs to be at least some feeling of unending dangerous and oppressive unease. yes of course otr in cinci appears the more classically sketchy urban environment -- and has that unease, but its also block by block you are quickly around the corner and in and out of it which mitigates it all somewhat. not in reality i'm just talking how it feels. i'm sure everything has prob changed for the worse tho since i've spent any time in these areas so i cant really say more. akron's i know but hardly recall. pre-gentrification old west end and other sketchy nabes in toledo never felt so overall bad or hopeless to me even in the worst of the crack days. i guess this is a pretty silly thread. nobody can really say for sure unless they live there and when you do it just doesn't matter if its any worse somewhere else does it?

 

Has anybody ever been down the one-way streets next to East Cleveland's city hall??? I saw them today for the first time and would like to comment on what I saw. I was in complete shock at how deteriorated these 3-4 streets were.. considering they are adjacent to city hall! Every single building/apartment complex was boarded up, filled with grafitti top to bottom, and all the windows were shattered. There were some apartment buildings that had outdoor corridors and were filled with piles of garbage and the architectural design on the buildings makes me think these were former public housing units that are now vacated. It was the kind of building that had exterior hallways leading towards the rear of the building (there's a reason they don't build 'em this way anymore..), similar to that of the Outhwaite Homes on E. 55th and Community College Dr. There was one grafitti artist who wrote, "Don't go down these dirty paths" --- there were 9 foot fences with groups of men just sitting on the ground behind them like they were stuck in a prison. Not sure how anybody could possibly be living in these conditions anyways. I can't even begin to imagine how this segment of the city became so diminished. This is like the worst of the Cicero or Bronx times two.. I wish I had my camera, but I'm not so sure I'd be willing to start snapping pictures down there anyways. The area I am referring to in this post is:

 

Van Buren, Roxford, and Marbles Rd., all three which are located at the 14300 block of Euclid Avenue in the city of East Cleveland. A quick visit to the city's website would make you think East Cleveland is anything but run down.

Add 2 more homicides to Cleveland this week:

 

Skip-and-run by a school bus at W. 118th and Lorain Avenue on April 13th, 2006.

 

and

 

The Cleveland rapper who was killed at Stonebridge on the west bank of the flats earlier in the week.

 

Making it 24 for the year thru 4/14/06.

KJP....it makes you wonder why such an A-HOLE is walking the streets!   Bizbiz...how does that stack up to this time last year?

 

Also...I hope with many of the new residential project happening and planned for the downtown area, making it  a denser residential area...I hope CPD would think about puting some police on foot patrol in these areas. 

^ Or at least bicycle patrols.

 

I wrote an article about five year ago when a North Olmsted bicycle patrol officer caught up to and pulled over a Corvette. Of course, on Lorain Road near the mall, that's probably no great challenge!

I agree....bikes or foot patrol would be nice...it just gives people a sense of protection and makes a better connection with the community.  There is another CPD cadet class going to start soon, and before they hire them, all the laid off guys will get their jobs back...hopefully they will have enough officers to do something like this.

Sunday 4/16/06.. reports of two more homicides in Cleveland this weekend:

 

The first one was a shooting outside of a Miles Road bar where two men were shot at, one of which died. He was a resident of Maple Heights. I can not get the address/location of the bar yet, all I know is that it was on Miles Road in the city of Cleveland. This is the second homicide this weekend involving people from Maple Heights. As reported on Friday night, two men were shot in the 15300 block of Bartlett leaving one dead and the other in critical condition. All five of the suspects taken into custody are from Maple Heights. The victim(s) however, were/are from Cleveland.

 

Second homicide to report for today (well, right now it's not listed as a homicide but I'm sure it will become one after the coroner performs an autopsy): a male body was pulled up from Lake Erie at E. 55th St. near the marina, very close to Quay 55.

 

That makes 5 homicides in one week in the city of Cleveland.

 

1. Local rapper who was killed outside Stonebridge

2. Hit-and-run at W. 118th/Lorain, the victim was hit by a school bus and Dennis Kucinich was the one who found the body in the road, as it happened right outside of his office.

3. Drive-by shooting at E. 153/Bartlett (aforementioned) leaving 1 dead, 1 critical

4. Bar shooting on Miles Road

5. Body pulled up from Lake Erie at E. 55th.

 

#1 and #2 are both "big stories" in my opinion but got very little coverage, however, the school bus incident is currently being investigated as a possible accident that the driver was unaware of what they did. Another big story this week was the arrest of Mayor Frank Jackson's granddaughter along with her friend or boyfriend who was also arrested for having 3 guns and drugs on him at a gas station on Woodland/E. 55th.

Sunday 4/16/06.. reports of two more homicides in Cleveland this weekend:

 

The first one was a shooting outside of a Miles Road bar where two men were shot at, one of which died. He was a resident of Maple Heights. I can not get the address/location of the bar yet, all I know is that it was on Miles Road in the city of Cleveland. This is the second homicide this weekend involving people from Maple Heights. As reported on Friday night, two men were shot in the 15300 block of Bartlett leaving one dead and the other in critical condition. All five of the suspects taken into custody are from Maple Heights. The victim(s) however, were/are from Cleveland.

 

Second homicide to report for today (well, right now it's not listed as a homicide but I'm sure it will become one after the coroner performs an autopsy): a male body was pulled up from Lake Erie at E. 55th St. near the marina, very close to Quay 55.

 

That makes 5 homicides in one week in the city of Cleveland.

 

1. Local rapper who was killed outside Stonebridge

2. Hit-and-run at W. 118th/Lorain, the victim was hit by a school bus and Dennis Kucinich was the one who found the body in the road, as it happened right outside of his office.

3. Drive-by shooting at E. 153/Bartlett (aforementioned) leaving 1 dead, 1 critical

4. Bar shooting on Miles Road

5. Body pulled up from Lake Erie at E. 55th.

 

#1 and #2 are both "big stories" in my opinion but got very little coverage, however, the school bus incident is currently being investigated as a possible accident that the driver was unaware of what they did. Another big story this week was the arrest of Mayor Frank Jackson's granddaughter along with her friend or boyfriend who was also arrested for having 3 guns and drugs on him at a gas station on Woodland/E. 55th.

 

I'm not sure that they need more coverage, with exception to the are that they happened in.  Especially the stonebridge issue.  That alone would lead to more, "oh downtown isn't safe" bullshit!

A suspect was arrested....

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=51055

 

AKRON -- Police have arrested a suspect after a stabbing on board an RTA trolley.

 

He's 45-year-old Darrell Livingston of Cleveland.

 

Channel 3 first showed you the surveillance tape of the attack yesterday involving a fight between two passengers.

 

That tape generated leads for police and late Wednesday afternoon, the tips led Akron police to an address on Rhodes Avenue, where they say they took Livingston into custody.

 

He's being held in Akron, pending a charge of felonious assault.

Homicide in East Cleveland

 

Tack another murder to the city of East Cleveland on the city of Cleveland's borderline: Superior and E. 129th was the location of a beating outside of a popular local bar on 4-18-06. A male was beat to death with a brick on 4-18-06 in broad daylight. Two men were arrested shortly after the beating (this story appeared in the 4-20-06 Plain Dealer).

From the 4/21/06 PD:

 

 

90-plus gangs in Cleveland, task force says

Friday, April 21, 2006

Joe Guillen

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

More than 90 gangs are contributing to the rising street violence in Cleveland, authorities said.

 

"The city of Cleveland has experienced a resurgence of gang activity and gang violence," said Ted Wasky, special agent in charge at the FBI's Cleveland field office.

 

...

 

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1145608276106950.xml&coll=2

 

How about this one.....

 

Business Closes As Police Close In   

04-21-2006 9:23 AM

 

(Cleveland, OH) -- Cleveland police say the operators of a "disreputable" business somehow found out about a raid before it happened. Police officials and Mayor Frank Jackson were set to host a made-for-media shutdown of the business Thursday near Miles Avenue and East 131st Street. Instead, they found the undisclosed location closed for the day. The mayor says the raid will happen on another day. The business is reportedly associated with drugs, gambling, and prostitution.

 

Copyright 2006 Metro Networks Communications Inc., A Westwood One Company

Hey, let's not forget about the fire truck that was caught in the cross fire in the middle of the night a few days ago.....luckily the only casualty was the fire engine...from what I understand, the two groups of people that were having the beef, jumped into their cars and shot at each other as they were headed down the street.  The firefighters were busy fighting a fire, but had to take cover as the cars were going by....the fire engine stopped a few rounds. 

Tack another homicide for the 4/22-23 weekend.. it was another "hit-and-run", this time on E. 65th near Woodland I believe. It wasn't even in the Law & Order section of the PD..

4 separate homicides in 2 days in the city of Cleveland (5-2 and 5-3):

 

27 yr old female in the 600 block of E. 107th St.

22 yr old male in 12000 block of Griffing Ave.

22 yr old male in 2300 block of Community College Ave.

17 yr old male in 3200 block of E. 135th St.

3 more homicides in 2 days:

 

e. 65 @ fleet - robber shot and killed (5-5-06)

e. 102 @ buckeye - hit-and-run, 15 yr old in stolen car dies

e. 34 @ broadway - industrial valley - bar brawl (5-6-06)

 

plus a fire at e. 65 and woodland claims 2 lives, is under investigation, may become homicide later on.

 

Thru May 7, Cleveland has 38 homicides.

I wish I was keeping track of all the homicides in Akron this year. There were 2 more on 5-7-06 and 2-3 others earlier in the week. I am guessing Akron is between 25-30 this year, maybe even more, which would already be more than the total number of homicides in all of 2005. And they aren't like Cleveland's homicides, which seem to be mostly hit-and-run, house fires, and robberies; the majority of homicides I hear about in Akron are bodies found in cars, fields, and in the street. I'm going to try and research this a little bit, but I have a feeling the Crystal Meth. problem in lower Akron (Summit Lake-Kenmore) is part of the problem.

Meth has yet, IMO, not even begun to get big here yet.  It seemed to have started on the Western edge of the Midwest and has been working it's way to the East.  It is popular because it has an intense high that seems to last longer than crack(NOT from personal use experience,I just work in the Fire/EMS service) it is fairly cheap to buy AND make, and pretty much everything you need to make it can be found in the local hardware store.  These labs are not hard to make, and they can be a permanent set up in a house or set up in the back of a van.  The drug itself is very addictive and dangerous, but from a work standpoint, these "labs" can be very dangerous as well.  They are very volatile and have a high incidence of explosion if the "technician" doesn't know what they are doing.  I am sure I missed a few things, this was just off the top of my head...

I saw a Frontline special about Meth a couple weeks back and the most fascinating part about it is how quickly it seems this epidemic could be stopped. They interviewed the guy who helped stop quaaludes by stopping phamaceutical companies from producing drugs with the active ingredient used to make quaaludes-a ingredient so complex, it could only be created in a porfessional pharmaceutical factory.

 

For anyone who doesn't know, ephedrine (active ingredient in Sudafed) is another type of very complex chemical compound that can only be produced in nine parmaceutical labs in the world. The Frontline special showed peaks in Meth use when large shipments of ephedrine were re-routed, stolen or simply just sold to drug cartels. This same guy who worked to stop quaaludes wants to do the same thing for ephedrine, except (surprise! surprise!) there is resistance from the pharmaceutical companies, who feel it would put an undue burden on the public to suffer without their popular medication until they can come up with another.

 

Now, I know having a cold sucks and everyone wants to get rid of it ASAP, but if this keeps some dirtball living next to me from playing Beakman's World in his basement and blowing up my neighborhood, I'll buy more kleenex. :-D

 

Anyway, you can watch the entire episode online if you have an hour to kill:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/view/

 

 

Well, Crystal Meth has almost no presence in Cleveland. However, in Akron we have a major problem! Summit County's city of Barberton and the Kenmore neighborhood accounts for more Crystal Meth labs than anywhere else in Ohio. The problem is serious and I read about labs being found at least once a week in the Akron police blotter reports. Barberton is right next to Kenmore (a neighborhood in the city of Akron). Both areas are right along I-277 and I-76. Everytime I'm in Kenmore (and I've been there a lot lately), I see some young person walking down the street totally strung out. It's a rough neighborhood as it is, so I guess a lot of stuff slips by the police; but how a drugged out person can roam the streets and not get raked in is beyond me. When I say "strung out", I am referring to a staggering walk, bloodshot eyes, red face, etc.. When I was there last weekend, I saw three people, two white guys and a white girl walking up and down Kenmore Ave. back and forth over and over. I was moving supplies from a building to my van and I kept seeing them walking back and forth, at least 4 times. They were totally on something, whether it was alcohol, meth, or some other drugs, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if they were Meth users!

from cleveland.com

 

RTA police shoot man

 

5:11 p.m.

 

Transit police shot a man this afternoon near a bus shelter at West 140th Street and Puritas Avenue in Cleveland.

 

 

does anyone know the last time a Transit police officer fired a shot?

yesterday! .......was that a trick question?    :-D

yesterday! .......was that a trick question?    :-D

 

you know what i meant, last time before yesterday

^Yeah, but that was pretty funny...

from cleveland.com

 

RTA police shoot man

 

5:11 p.m.

 

Transit police shot a man this afternoon near a bus shelter at West 140th Street and Puritas Avenue in Cleveland.

 

...

 

That is 2 streets from where I grew up. I waited at the bus stop across the street to take the 70 into lakewood to go to high school.

 

Who among us does not slip out every once and a while to have a drink in a bus shelter in the afternoon?

Looks like the police helicopters are coming back....

_________________

 

C A L E N D A R

Public Safety Committee Meeting

WEDNESDAY, May 24, 2006

10:00 a.m.

MERCEDES COTNER COMMITTEE ROOM

217 CITY HALL

 

Ord. No. 737-06

By Council Members Conwell, Sweeney (by departmental request)

Authorizing the purchase by one or more requirement contracts of fuel, maintenance and aviation insurance for two helicopters and their equipment, for the Division of Police, Department of Public Safety, for a period of one year with an option to renew for one additional year.

Remarks by Director of Public Safety Department: See Legislation.

when did we lose them?

A couple of years ago when Campbell did her big budget cuts.

Should this thread maybe be renamed like the "Cleveland Police Blotter" or "Cleveland Crime" or "Cleveland Neighborhood Watch" or something? Doesn't seem like were really "comparing" crime to any other Ohio city any more so much as reporting about crime and different rough neighborhoods around town-which is cool, but the title is a little misleading.

REP4Cleveland or an administrator can change it. Contact either.

weren't there 2 more murders over the weekend? 

 

E.93/kinsman and W.25/franklin? 

 

any info on these?

i saw something on the news that not only disturbed me but shocked me ,  I was watchin channel 3 and carl monday had a report on crimes inside cuyahoga county libraries , I kept watching and sure enough a kid i got into a fight with a few years back was beatin off in the berea library right next to the kids section , I mean come on if your gonna do that at least have the courtesy to go into the bathroom not right in the open , Man people are dumb these days

wow.  from today's PD.  what's up with Lorain / Fulton area?  this area seems to have quite a few problems.  is it just the easy access to the neighborhood?  the residents? 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/114940999598790.xml&coll=2

 

Law and Order

Sunday, June 04, 2006

Donna J. Miller and Steve Luttner

In less than 48 hours, four men and a teenage boy were killed in unrelated homicides in Cleveland.

 

A 48-year-old man died at Huron Hospital on Saturday after he was shot in a driveway in the 1900 block of East 89th Street. Police did not disclose the man's name because relatives had not yet been contacted. [email protected], 216-999-4852 [email protected], 1-800-628-6689

 

 

"what's up with Lorain / Fulton area?"

 

Look at any area that's gentrified in the past 10-15 years. The problems (poverty and crime which seem to go hand in hand) those areas faced have now moved to adjacent neighborhoods. Lorain/Fulton is adjacent to what? Ohio City proper (Market Square, West 25th). The potential continuation of the outward migration has raised a lot of concerns in outer-neighborhoods and inner-ring 'burbs.

So what does that bring the grand total of murders to for this year?  A detective friend of mine told me that Cleveland is on pace to surpass last year...WTF is going on in this city?

another murder on E86 or E89. 

 

6 murders in 5 days.  wtf? 

 

when is the police department going to start publishing real time maps so residents can monitor what is going in on their neighborhoods- not just murders, but other safety or quality of life issues? 

 

onecommunity?  digital city?  oh wait, that was marketing and press releases.  we shouldn't expect real applications based on this platform, or should we?

 

if baltimore can do it, why can't we? 

http://141.157.54.34/bpdmaps/police.htm