<b>Cleveland: Argument leads to gunshots, 1 man dead</b>

CLEVELAND -- Police are investigating a shooting that happened early Sunday, killing a 21-year-old man.

 

Police took the call around 12:40 a.m. for a man who was shot in the chest around the <b>9900 block of Cuddell Avenue.</b> That's where police found a man with a gunshot wound to the chest.

 

 

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/218327/3/Cleveland-Argument-leads-to-gunshots-1-man-dead

Nothing like more motivation for the whiteys and middle class to move even further west in droves.  :-( 

 

Eventually they'll hit Lorain.  That'll teach em.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/browns-fan-cut-during-fight-in-the-restroom-at-the-stadium-during-the-game

 

Can Ray Lewis account for his whereabouts?

Disgusting.

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/education/article/219038/35/Cleveland-Special-needs-boy-beaten-unconscious

^ These cowards always act in groups. Spineless punks.  These guys think they are so tough...i hope they throw them in the slammer

^ These cowards always act in groups. Spineless punks.  These guys think they are so tough...i hope they throw them in the slammer

 

We don't have the jail space to throw every POS in.  Sometimes I think work/chain gangs are another solution.  It's politically incorrect, but it gets them the hell out of society while keeping them busy doing something other than preying on each other or learning how to be better criminals.

Based on recent crime, it appears that the west side is beginning to see more violent crime than the east side. Especially in neighborhoods such as Clark-Fulton, West Boulevard, and Cudell.

 

In the past 7 days Detroit Shoreway has seen far more violent crime than Hough.

Based on recent crime, it appears that the west side is beginning to see more violent crime than the east side. Especially in neighborhoods such as Clark-Fulton, West Boulevard, and Cudell.

 

In the past 7 days Detroit Shoreway has seen far more violent crime than Hough.

 

Where are you getting your stats?

Over the last 30 days here are a few crime maps. Shaker Square and Little Italy seem to have the least amount of problems.

 

Shaker Square - Criminal Damaging or Endangering

 

Little Italy - Domestic Violence and Identity Theft

 

Ohio City - Several Petty Thefts, Two Criminal Damaging or Endangering, Motor Vehicle Theft, and Passing Bad Checks

 

Kamms Corner - Simple Assault, Weapons Violation, a couple Criminal Damaging or Endangering, Robbery Strong Arms, and Theft.

 

 

Where are you getting your stats?

 

http://www.clevelandgis.org/pub/index.html?config=crime.xml

Based on recent crime, it appears that the west side is beginning to see more violent crime than the east side. Especially in neighborhoods such as Clark-Fulton, West Boulevard, and Cudell.

 

In the past 7 days Detroit Shoreway has seen far more violent crime than Hough.

 

Where are you getting your stats?

 

Unfortunately, the city doesn't publicly release the stats beyond what's released on these two websites, crimereports.com and clevelandgis.org - so there's no easy way to find out how many of X crime were unless you were to count each and every dot on the following maps :(  I would LOVE them to just give a raw text dump of all of the crimes, locations, time, so people can do more in-depth analysis than the following... [/end pet peeve).

 

Both sources claim to have data from the past 7 days but none of the incidents listed are more recent than Dec. 7th on CG and CR, dec. 8th . For , . So, in this case, we're only working with roughly 4-5 days of data which is an extremely small sample size... but:

 

For Detroit shoreway:

[crime reports]

 

[clevelandgis]

 

Hough [clevelandgis]:

 

Hough [crimereports]

 

 

As a side note, I'm not that surprised that there was not much crime in Hough as I had expected, due to the simple fact that the population there has decreased considerably over the past couple decades.

 

Ladies and Gentleman --

 

That's most likely the answer to historically high crime areas -- people are moving out.  We're even seeing the "black flight" phenomenon on much of the inner eastside.  I ride my bike around these areas a lot, and I can honestly say, Hough does not feel unsafe to me.  Euclid Ave feels like a normal street from UC to Downtown, which is my usual route.  Even Carnegie feels more safe recently. 

 

And on the flip side, the eastside hood of Asiatown is growing in population and crime remains some of the lowest in the city.

 

The exact reasons for all this, I'm not too sure, but the inner eastside definitely "feels" more safe these past 2-3 years.

First, crime reports from the past 7 or 30 days do not necessarily indicate a new trend.  Long-term statistics are meaningful.

 

Second, a lot of crime goes unreported, especially in neighborhoods where the residents feel neglected or antagonized by the police.  A few weeks ago, there was a sticker that somebody put up in the University Circle rapid station saying something to the effect of "Police, stay out!  We can handle our own problems."

I put the yearly crime trending reports on previous pages, and they basically reflected what Skor and others are saying. 

 

Crime has generally spread overall (less concentrated in the east side neighborhoods and more as a reflection of the dispersement of the traditional east side black population).  This also accounts for the very noticable increases in crime in many of the west side neighborhoods such as Cuddel, Clark Fulton, and West Blvd areas.  Some of these areas were still rather stable when I left.   

A few weeks ago, there was a sticker that somebody put up in the University Circle rapid station saying something to the effect of "Police, stay out!  We can handle our own problems."

 

Lovely.

I worked on W. 110th between Western and Berea from 2005 until 2007.  You could see it beginning to brew then.

My sister had her car window smashed in in Tremont last weekend, and her garmin stolen.  Yeah, yeah...you shouldn't leave your garmin sitting out in the open.  She agreed - which is why it was in the glove box, where it was stolen from.

^Sincere question - did she have a visible spot on the dashboard for the garmin, like a cradle or docking station? From what I'm hearing lately, perps will scope for cars that have the visible signs that a GPS unit is in use and then do a 'smash and grab'. Not too long ago, they wouldn't risk it unless something was right there in plain view but nowadays  :-(

 

 

^Sincere question - did she have a visible spot on the dashboard for the garmin, like a cradle or docking station? From what I'm hearing lately, perps will scope for cars that have the visible signs that a GPS unit is in use and then do a 'smash and grab'.

 

Or even evidence that something was stuck there? Sometimes the suction cups for those things can leave a round mark on the dash.

My sister had her car window smashed in in Tremont last weekend, and her garmin stolen.  Yeah, yeah...you shouldn't leave your garmin sitting out in the open.  She agreed - which is why it was in the glove box, where it was stolen from.

^Sincere question - did she have a visible spot on the dashboard for the garmin, like a cradle or docking station? From what I'm hearing lately, perps will scope for cars that have the visible signs that a GPS unit is in use and then do a 'smash and grab'. Not too long ago, they wouldn't risk it unless something was right there in plain view but nowadays  :-(

 

 

 

This is what happened to a friend of mine.  He had a GPS unit stolen even though it was in the glove box.  They did the smash and grab because they saw some wires hanging on the rear view mirror I think, although he wires were actually for a set of ear buds and not the GPS.  He wasn't too upset though as he was looking for a new GPS anyway, I think that one was actually broken.  This happened on Chester between 9th and 12th about a year ago.  Obviously, not a lot of eyes on the street there.

So I have an update for this thread. My Mom, who lives in Lakewood, was taking care of my son on Monday and a guy drove up into the driveway of the long-abandoned, for sale (with sign in the yard) crap house next door to hers (nobody will buy it because the foundation is on a serious slant/slope), walked up to the door that opens into the garage and began trying in earnest to jimmy it or break off or pull off the doorknob so he could gain entry to the house. He damaged the doorknob pretty good but not enough to break in, so he just went back to his car and drove off. Mom called the police of course, but he was gone by the time she got there and all she got was a description of him and the car (no plate). This was broad daylight, like 11am. People are getting brazen.

Another shooting of a store clerk on the near west side.  Is it that the PD is just focusing more on that side of town or is it that violent crime seems to be surpassing the east side of the city proper?

^ Caribe. They have really good food there : (

Another shooting of a store clerk on the near west side.  Is it that the PD is just focusing more on that side of town or is it that violent crime seems to be surpassing the east side of the city proper?

 

The worst neighborhoods crime wise seem to be..

 

West of the river...

Clark-Fulton

Cudell

 

East if the river...

Central(Worst in the city)

North Broadway

South Broadway

 

 

As I continue to look at crime stats and maps, I believe that the two safest neighborhoods are Little Italy and Shaker Square(Not Buckeye-Shaker as a whole), which both happen to be on the east side.

 

I would think that Central's crime rates are somewhat skewed due to low population and high vacancy of both residential and industrial buildings.  The environment invites crime and then those crimes are put on a per (fill in the blank) ratio to the population of the neighborhood.

^ Central has a decently dense residential population with all of the public housing developments. When looking at the location of the crimes, they for the most part, all occur within those developments. The vacant areas are where the crimes aren't happening, or at least not being reported.

This time in Edgewater...

 

Police in Cleveland and East Cleveland seek suspects in Thursday evening homicides

CLEVELAND -- Police in Cleveland and East Cleveland were involved Thursday night in two unrelated homicide cases.

Cleveland police were notified at 5:38 p.m. of a 49-year-old male stabbed numerous times in the neck and back. When police arrived at an apartment on Lake Avenue near West 101st Street, police spokesman Sgt. Sammy Morris said the man was already dead.

 

Morris said a neighbor called police after attempting to contact the victim. The neighbor entered the apartment and found him stabbed.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/police_in_cleveland_and_east_c.html

Four separate shootings on the East Side on Friday night.

 

Four shootings overnight in Cleveland

Published: Saturday, December 24, 2011, 9:30 AM    Updated: Saturday, December 24, 2011, 2:59 PM

Tonya Sams, The Plain Dealer By Tonya Sams, The Plain Dealer

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Police responded to four shootings in about four hours overnight, according to the Cleveland Police Department.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/five_shootings_overnight_in_cl.html

^ Thank god none were fatal. They did seem to all have a connection with the shooter though.

How many murders has Cleveland has this year?  Seems high....

 

How many murders has Cleveland has this year?  Seems high....

 

 

Actually it is probably somewhere around what it was last year, what is way lower than years prior.

This year it simply seems they've been oddly spaced out (or is this typical?) so that we're seeing a spike towards the end of the year. Things were very quiet for much of the year in terms of murders. But I've seen more safety alerts from CWRU/CSU and far more shootings in the news this past month than in much of the previous 3-5.

I agree I think it's about the same as last year, and way lower than 2009.

Crime always goes up big time during the holidays

This year it simply seems they've been oddly spaced out (or is this typical?) so that we're seeing a spike towards the end of the year. Things were very quiet for much of the year in terms of murders. But I've seen more safety alerts from CWRU/CSU and far more shootings in the news this past month than in much of the previous 3-5.

 

I guess that is where I am thinking things seem like they have got out of control lately.  I recieve a bunch of alerts from CSU as of late about people being robbed at gunpoint, laptops being stolen, etc and I never remember it being that bad when I was there my freshmen year. 

Although this is only one stat...here are the homicides for Cleveland city:

 

2007: 134 homicides

2008: 104 homicides

2009: 120 homicides

2010: 77 homicides

2011: ??

 

http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m151/Smoker_03/Misc/City/2010yearEnd.jpg

 

Anyone know where we stand this year?  Like I said before, I think it's about the same as 2010.

I think we are at 66 currently.

I believe this is near the site of the St. Luke's Hospital redevelopment.

 

Cleveland police find gunshot victim's body on East Side

Published: Sunday, December 25, 2011, 12:23 PM    Updated: Monday, December 26, 2011, 12:27 PM

By Stan Donaldson, The Plain Dealer

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - Police discovered the body of an unidentified man Saturday night on the city's East Side.

 

The man, who had been shot in the head, was found in an abandoned home in the 10900 block of Hulda Avenue shortly after 9 p.m. Police officers in the Fourth District were flagged down by witnesses who told them they found a man bleeding in the house.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/cleveland_police_find_gunshot.html

The continued spread of crime on the West side.  I guess if there was a bright side, with the shifting demographics, the east side should be getting safer. 

 

Unfortunately, as I had been warning, some of these west side neighborhoods were really the last remaining stable neighborhoods of Cleveland.  Otherwise its just the pockets of up and coming areas that we talk so much about on here.   

 

Lakewood man fatally shot at West 145th St. and Puritas Ave.

Published: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:11 AM    Updated: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 11:27 AM

By Donna J. Miller, Plain Dealer reporter The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A 32-year-old Lakewood man was gunned down today in a parking lot at West 145th Street and Puritas Avenue.

 

Police were called at 1:20 a.m. about gunfire. Officers and paramedics found Richard Peyton with a gunshot wound to the left buttocks.

 

He was pronounced dead within an hour at Fairview Hospital.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/lakwood_man_fatally_shot_at_we.html

 

 

I'm not the best with geography. What neighborhood is this? West park?

 

I believe so.

 

Though what is Puritas-Longmead then? A subneighborhood?

The continued spread of crime on the West side.  I guess if there was a bright side, with the shifting demographics, the east side should be getting safer. 

 

Unfortunately, as I had been warning, some of these west side neighborhoods were really the last remaining stable neighborhoods of Cleveland.  Otherwise its just the pockets of up and coming areas that we talk so much about on here.   

 

Lakewood man fatally shot at West 145th St. and Puritas Ave.

Published: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:11 AM    Updated: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 11:27 AM

By Donna J. Miller, Plain Dealer reporter The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A 32-year-old Lakewood man was gunned down today in a parking lot at West 145th Street and Puritas Avenue.

 

Police were called at 1:20 a.m. about gunfire. Officers and paramedics found Richard Peyton with a gunshot wound to the left buttocks.

 

He was pronounced dead within an hour at Fairview Hospital.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/lakwood_man_fatally_shot_at_we.html

 

 

 

As a westsider I would say this area is good for one or two of these per year.  I would still not compare the west side to the east side.  Just read the metro section...i would say 4 to 1 east side to west side violent crimes.

The continued spread of crime on the West side.  I guess if there was a bright side, with the shifting demographics, the east side should be getting safer. 

 

Unfortunately, as I had been warning, some of these west side neighborhoods were really the last remaining stable neighborhoods of Cleveland.  Otherwise its just the pockets of up and coming areas that we talk so much about on here.   

 

Lakewood man fatally shot at West 145th St. and Puritas Ave.

Published: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:11 AM    Updated: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 11:27 AM

By Donna J. Miller, Plain Dealer reporter The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A 32-year-old Lakewood man was gunned down today in a parking lot at West 145th Street and Puritas Avenue.

 

Police were called at 1:20 a.m. about gunfire. Officers and paramedics found Richard Peyton with a gunshot wound to the left buttocks.

 

He was pronounced dead within an hour at Fairview Hospital.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/lakwood_man_fatally_shot_at_we.html

 

 

 

As a westsider I would say this area is good for one or two of these per year.  I would still not compare the west side to the east side.  Just read the metro section...i would say 4 to 1 east side to west side violent crimes.

 

Im not comparing the west side to the east side... Im saying the spread of crime on the west side is to an extent the result of a shift of some of the population from the east side to the west side ((since I do this sort of tracking for a living) and with many of these crimes and murders, it has been a result of the influx of east side blacks to the traditionally non black neighborhoods of the West side) in some cases just a spreading of the population that was just more confined previously. 

Thus the increase in murders in the traditional-"safe" west side neighborhoods and the decrease in some of the traditional "non-safe east side neighborhoods.   

 

I previously gave all the stats showing these increases. 

The west side is going to face some obstacles in the years to come. Its not on the right track overall. The city really needs to hope Detroit Shoreway, Ohio City, and Tremont keep progressing, which I believe they will. One thing that will make it somewhat harder is if the surrounding neighborhoods continue to get worse. Also the city needs to see continual gains/steadiness in Edgewater, Little Italy, University Circle, and Shaker Square.

The west side is going to face some obstacles in the years to come. Its not on the right track overall. The city really needs to hope Detroit Shoreway, Ohio City, and Tremont keep progressing, which I believe they will. One thing that will make it somewhat harder is if the surrounding neighborhoods continue to get worse. Also the city needs to see continual gains/steadiness in Edgewater, Little Italy, University Circle, and Shaker Square.

 

Agree, but also in the process reel in the traditional stable neighborhoods that have been seeing this decline. 

 

Edgewater is a prime example. 

 

I know everyone cheers the new residents that the "Up and coming" areas are getting, but if you saw the concurrent declines and loss of the important middle class population in neighborhoods like Edgewater (mostly to Westlake), it would still indicate a net loss of middle class population.

 

Yes the city has to do everything in its power to reverse this negative progression, since, again, once you get to a certain threshold, it is extremely difficult to reverse. 

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1. What are "they" supposed to do to stop this negative progression? Really, what can you to do stop it? You can't prevent people from moving in who have the money to do so, and you can't police every mile of every area at all times.

2. Why do the people, black or otherwise, who are moving the crime further westward just randomly shoot people? I don't get it. Why are people just shooting strangers?

Well they talked about concentrating law enforcment, patrols and even cameras in trouble areas and newly troubled areas that you dont want to become troubled areas in hopes of nipping it in the bud.  But ultimately with budget cuts and such wasnt followed through with. 

 

For example the robberies that were happening along Detroit in Cleveland, east of 117th (not too far back a result of a rough population residing south of Detroit), ended up being/pretty much left unabated and spread over to Clifton, Lake and even Edgewater (not to mention Lakewood), which would have been unheard of when I lived there.   

 

The shooting issue has alot to do with the terrible and destructive "culture" that has become so prevalent, but also many of these west side areas have a huge drug culture (thus the lack of rational behavior), and that is much what some of the more crazy crimes along areas such as Lake Avenue have bee a result of. 

 

I guess I'd have to see some stats on how it has increased. At one time, my (then-future) husband, my Mom and me all lived in 3 separate apartments very near W 117th and Edgewater, me and Mom in apts on the Lakewood side, him on the Cleveland side. He was held up for money when he lived there. My apartment was robbed/burgled, and I was a victim of repeated mail fraud (stolen outgoing checks). My mother's car was broken into twice. And these are just 3 people as a sample, from 15 years ago. I remember going to the citizens police academy classes in Lakewood and they basically said the closer you are to the Cleveland side, the more crime, so I moved further west and south and so did my Mom. I'm not sure I can gauge if it's really progressing or if tracking and reporting of crime is just progressing so much more.

I live on the west side of Cleveland and I think crime is on the increase.  Many of these areas are seing a bit of reinvestment like Tremont, Ohio City, Detroit Shoreway, etc and are becoming targets now.  Unfortunately looking at the map of the 2nd District for Cleveland Police, http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/clnd_images/Police/district2.pdf  you see how large the area is and how few officers are usually patrolling at night.  That's not going to change anytime soon.  People and neighborhoods are going to have to find more ways to fight crime themselves, with either private patrols, added cameras, neighborhood watches, ccw permits, whatever it takes.

R@R I remember you mentioning some of those things previously. 

That is about when I left Cleveland and I know Lakewood has seen a semi-considerable increase in crime since that time (although still reletively safe as a whole), and by all accounts crimes on the Cleveland side have become more common and brazen.  When I lived there I only remember needing to be cautious around Detroit (with only things like car breakins happening further north as well as an occasional robbery).  But with the recent murder on Lake and some of the crazy stuff Ive been hearing from long time business owners as well as friends and family still in the area, there is reason for concern and an increase in uneasiness compared to 15 years ago.   

 

I know that the business owners all say it is become considerably more dangerous around Clifton at night, and the homeowners I know all say the same thing.  Even family members on Edgewater all indicate this (they say several of their neighbors have moved west as a result).

 

Certainly demographics have been changing, so I just hope with its proximity to the lake that the area doesnt fall any further.           

 

 

Yes the city has to do everything in its power to reverse this negative progression, since, again, once you get to a certain threshold, it is extremely difficult to reverse. 

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We need the West Shoreway Boulevard Conversion!  This will help keep Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway growing, while helping to stabilize Clifton/Baltic (which has seen some decline).