http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/221577/45/Cleveland-Christmas-thieves-shot-by-homeowner

 

A few more of these might help.

 

As long as we're not looking at another Damon Wells situation, that is.  I mean the "community" reaction...

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/earlyedition/2007/05/one_night_three_shots_changed.html

Everything north of Lake is pretty safe.

I believe that w 117 and detroit/clifton is actually safer than about 10 years ago.  I run through there in the evening all the time.  i think the incident on Lake, which is currently investigation, will end up being a domestic dispute....they happen in cities.  People arent found in their apartment with stab wounds without any motive.  I think the more south on w 117 you go, the dicer, but i shop at target and giant eagle all the time and its great clientele.  time will tell where the neighborhood will be in the next 10 years, but i find it better than in past.

Aggravated Assaults in the Past 30 Days

 

 

Robberies in Past 30 Days

 

 

Simple Assaults in the Past 30 Days

 

 

Zoomed In: Simple Assaults in the Past 30 Days, West of River

 

 

Zoomed In: Simple Assaults in the Past 30 Days, Southeast

 

 

Zoomed In: Simple Assaults in the Past 30 Days, Northeast

 

 

Rape in the Past 30 Days

Wow, that is HORRIBLE. Can you expand that map? I'd be interested to see further W and S.

^ Thats everything. I added more maps though.

What site are you referencing? Can we look at cities beyond Cleveland proper?

^ Unfortunately no, its a Cleveland gis map.

How about a map of batteries?

That map is an eye opening. I think when I lived in Cleveland I minimized crime b/c I was never a victim despite my living and working in the city. I for the most part believed that it was people involved in crime that were mainly the victims...but over time I knew people not involved in a criminal lifestyle  that became victims to robbery and assault...and in broad daylight. Eventually when crimes get high enough,  it spills over to innocent people.

 

But it really hit me in when we were here in San Diego (we live in the city) and walking both downtown and the near city neighborhoods and could not believe people kept plants and unchained chairs and tables out on the front porches-but a year later they are still there...and I realized how desensitized to crime I had become . Besides all the violent crime or other disturbing crimes (ie home invasion) chronicled on OC neighborhood list I subscribe too ( I am still a near west property owner), people pretty much indicated they gave up having a chair or flower pot on their patio, b/c it would be gone. That is a sad state of affairs. Don't we buy homes with a front porch so we can sit out an enjoy the community?

How about a map of batteries?

 

The top I believe based on the way the city classifies it.

 

Also I added a new "Rape" map on the bottom.

I know some of you will say this is no big deal (nothing to be concerned about) and there are typically some of these that happen anyway, but here is yet another shooting on the west side.  Hope "Derone" is ok. 

 

Cleveland man shot at West 130th Street and Bellaire Road

Published: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 7:24 AM    Updated: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 7:57 AM

By Donna J. Miller, Plain Dealer reporter

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A 24-year-old man was shot Wednesday near West 130th Street and Bellaire Road.

Police and paramedics were called at 6:40 p.m. by employees of the Walgreens there.

The victim, Derone Robinson, of West 121st Street, ran into the store for help after he was shot in the legs.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/man_shot_at_west_130th_street.html

 

 

 

But it really hit me in when we were here in San Diego (we live in the city) and walking both downtown and the near city neighborhoods and could not believe people kept plants and unchained chairs and tables out on the front porches-but a year later they are still there...and I realized how desensitized to crime I had become . Besides all the violent crime or other disturbing crimes (ie home invasion) chronicled on OC neighborhood list I subscribe too ( I am still a near west property owner), people pretty much indicated they gave up having a chair or flower pot on their patio, b/c it would be gone.

 

I know what you mean.  Shortly after the new Detroit Avenue streetscape was installed, I saw some crackhead had pulled up a bunch of the plantings and was trying to sell them to people walking by....

It's not just in Cleveland either. My mom lives next door to a gay couple and they have really majorly beautified their home and the street, it has brought them grants and attention of the city, among other things, and they are just wonderful, wonderful neighbors. They are now moving to Las Vegas, in part because people keep coming and vandilizing the front of their home, taking decorations or breaking things or tearing up plants. This kind of shit is just awful. This is on the OTHER side of her house, the south side being the house that the stranger pulled up and tried to break into last week. I fear that incident is what's coming for her neighborhood, as the people who have money and are trying to make things nice are pulling up stakes and leaving.

Quit your belly-aching, folks.  It could be worse....

 

I know some of you will say this is no big deal (nothing to be concerned about) and there are typically some of these that happen anyway, but here is yet another shooting on the west side.  Hope "Derone" is ok. 

 

I don't think "see, I told you so!" is very productive in this discussion.

 

I want to know where the council people in these areas are, and why there isn't more speaking out.  Both Sweeney and Westbrook have been on Council for a very long time, and it's arguable that these neighborhoods have slipped under their watch.  Even though you can't prevent criminals from moving into a certain area, I still feel like there are things that could be done to discourage crime and retain the middle class residents that keep neighborhoods like Edgewater and West Park stable.

 

Edit:  Sorry, that came across as more accusatory than I meant it to be.

I feel the top map shows the direction Clark-Fulton is headed. Hopefully as this neighborhood continues to go downhill, it doesn't bring Ohio City and Tremont with it.  Tremont's isolation looks like it is helping a lot with keeping carryover crime away.

Its a shame because Clark Fulton has some good infrastructure.  In my opinion its already bottomed out...we just need to hope that will be the next westside neighborhood to be redeveloped.

 

On another note...once again, the thing that will help these neighborhoods is the critical mass of people.  It would eventually outweigh the crime.  Its about being more stubborn and "fighting the good fight".  I know crime exists, but i wont be deterred.  A vast majority just is too afraid to help the cause, its a shame because the resources are plentiful for great neighborhoods.  Most want to say its just getting worse, but arent interested in being a part of the solution.

I think without the proper # of jobs, people are not going to stay and fight the good fight. I see more and more couples where 1 person loses their job, and the other person can get their type of job "anywhere" so they relocate when the first person is able to find a job, wherever they can find one. I know that if I got laid off tomorrow, which is always a risk, I would have a very, very difficult time finding FT work in my field that would pay even close to what I'm maknig now, but there are lots of jobs I see advertised in other markets for what I do/what I make. We could take a small cut and survive, but if it was a choice between a crappier job AND a big pay cut or moving, we would move, as much as I love Cleveland.

But you cant expect people to move their families into neighborhoods like Clark-Fulton. The crime is too high, and the schools are not good. Also whats attractive about the neighborhood other than its proximity to downtown? Clark Avenue is no more urban than a run down suburban commercial street. Its housing stock is aging, and arent the beauties in Ohio City.

 

If people wanted to move into urban neighborhoods, they are more likely to choose Ohio City, Tremont, Downtown, Little Italy, University Circle, or Shaker Square.

Yeah I kinda think Clark Fulton has bottomed out.  That was pretty much a pit by the time I left, it has merely spread to much of the rest of the west side. 

 

R&R that was sortof my point earlier (that it has spread to Lakewood although not too late there); and that you know its gotten bad when even the gays are fleeing their fabulous homes (when they are typically considered the troopers and the ingredient needed for postive change).  I know of a number of people and couples in the Edgewater area that have left.  Either the region all together or to moved to Westlake (eeks). 

 

Clevelands comment, "North of Lake is pretty safe", which is somewhat true, but also pretty sad since there is only 1 street north of Lake (and this is an area on the Lake, which should retain its value and appeal), which is Edgewater (and out of reach of the majority of people). 

 

Going back to Peabody's comment, while Im sure San Diego must have some bad neighborhoods, the point is really that there are not many (any) in Cleveland any more that you can do any of these things.  I would have thought Edgewater certainly would be one of them, but there has been plenty going on on Edgewater (which includes a good amount of homes that have had all of the copper removed during the night, as well as some random hold ups).  So even the attitude there has been changing.   

Here's another.

 

Cleveland man in critical condition after shooting on W. 48th St.

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A 26-year-old man was shot last night on West 48th Street.

 

Police were called at 11:10 p.m. to the 3000 block of West 48th and found Robert Bailey with gunshot wounds. Paramedics took him to MetroHealth Medical Center, where he was in critical condition at 2:30 p.m.

 

More at:

 

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/cleveland_man_in_critical_cond.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Right in the middle of one of the rougher zones (according to the maps) we have Brooklyn, with a crime rate only slightly higher than the US average:

 

http://www.city-data.com/city/Brooklyn-Ohio.html

 

A lot of it's political will,  city officials who don't cut offenders any slack.  We need to start locking up acute and chronic offenders for longer periods as well.  It's amazing how bold some of these parasites can be.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland-police-investigating-homicide-on-w73rd

 

Right in the area I was discussing....

Yup

But you cant expect people to move their families into neighborhoods like Clark-Fulton. The crime is too high, and the schools are not good. Also whats attractive about the neighborhood other than its proximity to downtown? Clark Avenue is no more urban than a run down suburban commercial street. Its housing stock is aging, and arent the beauties in Ohio City.

 

If people wanted to move into urban neighborhoods, they are more likely to choose Ohio City, Tremont, Downtown, Little Italy, University Circle, or Shaker Square.

 

I would never tell someone to move to clark-fulton.  This is how it needs to be done because it has shown to be successful in Chicago.  Buildup neighborhoods that are safe with a critical mass of people.  When the prices begin to increase in these neighborhoods, then the hipsters, artists, musicians begin to move to other neighborhoods that are more affordable...more grungy but then the rebuilding starts. 

 

Bucktown/Wicker Park in Chicago is a perfect example.  It was a dangerous place 10 years ago, but now i lamost like it better than Lincoln Park. 

 

For the time being, there are actually plenty of neighborhoods people can live and be safe in.  Always use street smarts, but you can live a good life in the city of Cleveland.  Build up the strong neighborhoods now and others will follow.

 

As far as the westside crime, it seems to have a common theme south of I-90.  I dont think it will get any better anytime soon, but the good neighborhoods of Cleveland need to continue to grow.  People cant be deterred to move to Ohio City or Detroit Shoreway because there are shootings at w 130 and bellaire.

The Cleve.bomb version of the article E Rocc posted...

 

This is infuriating... Is the City paying attention? What happened to the Crime Task Force that the City brought in? Are they stuck on the East Side?

 

Man killed, another wounded on Cleveland's West Side

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- One man died and a second man was wounded Thursday night after being attacked on West 73rd Street.

Police said the men were injured around 8:30 p.m. in the 3200 block of West 73rd Street.

When police arrived at the scene, they found two men wounded. A 26-year-old man died enroute to MetroHealth Medical Center and was pronounced dead on arrival. Police believe he was shot in the side.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/man_killed_on_clevelands_west.html

 

 

Why not some more....

 

 

Man robs Key Bank on West 25th Street

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A man claiming to be armed robbed the Key Bank on West 25th Street around 9  this morning.

Police said the man approached the teller in the Key Bank at 2047 W. 25th St. and demanded cash. He claimed he had a gun, though no weapon was seen. He escaped with about $2,200.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/man_robs_key_bank_on_west_25th.html

 

That map is an eye opening. I think when I lived in Cleveland I minimized crime b/c I was never a victim despite my living and working in the city. I for the most part believed that it was people involved in crime that were mainly the victims...but over time I knew people not involved in a criminal lifestyle  that became victims to robbery and assault...and in broad daylight. Eventually when crimes get high enough,  it spills over to innocent people.

 

But it really hit me in when we were here in San Diego (we live in the city) and walking both downtown and the near city neighborhoods and could not believe people kept plants and unchained chairs and tables out on the front porches-but a year later they are still there...and I realized how desensitized to crime I had become . Besides all the violent crime or other disturbing crimes (ie home invasion) chronicled on OC neighborhood list I subscribe too ( I am still a near west property owner), people pretty much indicated they gave up having a chair or flower pot on their patio, b/c it would be gone. That is a sad state of affairs. Don't we buy homes with a front porch so we can sit out an enjoy the community?

 

I think we need some context.  How do those maps compare to maps from other periods of 30 days?  When I look at those maps I see a lot of crimes being committed, but is this out of the norm?  How does it compare to other major US cities of roughly the same size?  Not saying it should be acceptable, but is all of this outrage really warranted?

Perhaps you should just look at the news posting from recent days.  Is this acceptable to you?

 

Otherwise, the stats were already given showing various years for comparison previously in the thread, and talked about in detail (well for thoose that wanted to acknowledge). 

Yeah, increasess everywhere (on the West side) except Ohio City and Tremont.  Detroit Shoreway stabilized.  About the same to only slightly worse in Clark Fulton.     

Perhaps you should just look at the news posting from recent days.  Is this acceptable to you?

 

Otherwise, the stats were already given showing various years for comparison previously in the thread, and talked about in detail (well for thoose that wanted to acknowledge). 

Yeah, increasess everywhere (on the West side) except Ohio City and Tremont.  Detroit Shoreway stabilized.  About the same to only slightly worse in Clark Fulton.     

 

Fair enough.  I just like to see context for the graphs and figures.  I tend to shy away from making judgments based on police blotters/news stories because again those usually don't offer much context or paint a complete picture of things.

it is in no way acceptable.  But we cant control what we cant control  It unrealistic to think that all of our neighborhoods can be safe at this point.  THere is so much work to be done.  My theory is to build up our good neighborhoods so much that they are safe and heavily populated...then the spill over will begin.  Its all about focusing on our neighborhoods that have a good foundation and a reason to visit.  While I am sad that Clark-Fulton is struggling right now, im not surprised.  There is no reason to go there, and the quiet darkness promotes this type of activity. 

Why not some more....

 

 

Man robs Key Bank on West 25th Street

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A man claiming to be armed robbed the Key Bank on West 25th Street around 9  this morning.

Police said the man approached the teller in the Key Bank at 2047 W. 25th St. and demanded cash. He claimed he had a gun, though no weapon was seen. He escaped with about $2,200.

 

I thought they had dye packs which went off in cases like that...

it is in no way acceptable.  But we cant control what we cant control  It unrealistic to think that all of our neighborhoods can be safe at this point.  THere is so much work to be done.  My theory is to build up our good neighborhoods so much that they are safe and heavily populated...then the spill over will begin.  Its all about focusing on our neighborhoods that have a good foundation and a reason to visit.  While I am sad that Clark-Fulton is struggling right now, im not surprised.  There is no reason to go there, and the quiet darkness promotes this type of activity. 

 

Well yes, but my point that I have been trying to get across and the reason for my concern the last few years and even more recently is that things have been spreading so quickly and far that the previous and very recent stable neighborhoods of the west side are quickly becoming unstable, and the people there know it, and have been in varying degrees fleeing (we have even seen the examples in Lakewood).  Once this happens and negative momentum builds it is extremely difficult to reverse.  Forget Clark Fulton, thats been crappy for quite a long time now, Im talking about everyting else.     

 

These areas are pretty large in comparison to the positive pockets that we have, so it really ends up being a net loss. 

 

There just really needs to be more at least perceived action on the part of the city.  This daily murder stuff should at least be requiring a press conference or something?     

i have to say.  Is is REALLY that much worse in Cleveland than anywhere else?  My MSNBC.com account is set to DC as its location, and every time i go there, i see the local news...it talks about DC murders, DC folks stabbed outside club.  I feel like our problems get magnified because A.) we live here B.) all we hear nationally is how terrible our crime is. C.) the people of this city harp on every crime as to why the city is so awful.  In reality, i have to believe that cities all over our country experience crime, violent crime and its a problem that is hard to solve.

There just really needs to be more at least perceived action on the part of the city.  This daily murder stuff should at least be requiring a press conference or something?     

 

Great point.  I wonder if Jackson & his administration are more afraid of publicizing the violence & murders and feel a better approach is to keep it low key?  Or maybe if they publicize it and vow to end it, they will be open to criticism for failing to make any progress in rounding up any suspects or stopping the violence?

It makes no sense politically to address it if you have no means of preventing it

It makes no sense politically to address it if you have no means of preventing it

 

You have to have the will to do something that counts.  In this case, that means putting people in prison for a long time.

 

There's at least a perception that there's a constituency in the city of Cleveland that opposes this.  Maybe that perception's wrong....but when we see situations like what happened to Damon Wells (harrassed out of his home while some of the neighbors built a makeshift shrine to the wannabe armed robber he ventilated), there's reason to believe it is not.

 

As I said, Brooklyn manages to keep crime to only slightly above the national average.  Shaker Heights and Cleveland Heights seem to at least keep it contained. 

All of the violent crime in Central is annoying. Its worse then any other part of the city and its near downtown, and its in the public housing complexes. You are given a place to live and you cant refrain yourself from committing violent crimes? How can we combat crime in public housing neighborhoods?

wkyc.com reporting 104 homicides for 2011 with 48 hours to go. cleveland has 88 so far this year compared to 75 last year. doubt that the homicide above was known prior to this report, and with 36 nye/weekend hours to go, im betting on at least 1 more, so id say 15 more in 2011 than 2010 come 1/1.

wkyc.com reporting 104 homicides for 2011 with 48 hours to go. cleveland has 88 so far this year compared to 75 last year. doubt that the homicide above was known prior to this report, and with 36 nye/weekend hours to go, im betting on at least 1 more, so id say 15 more in 2011 than 2010 come 1/1.

 

We were on pace for less than last year even in November if I remember correctly. We had a terrible end of year though. Maybe the lack of snow/cold weather allowed for more people roaming the streets than staying indoors.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/cleveland-police-chase-involving-bank-robbery-suspect-and-child-in-car-ends-in-crash

 

A less distinctive getaway car might have been a good idea.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/cleveland-police-chase-involving-bank-robbery-suspect-and-child-in-car-ends-in-crash

 

A less distinctive getaway car might have been a good idea.

 

Lake Avenue keeps making the news

Residential Burglary in the past 90 days

 

Little Italy

 

 

Shaker Square

 

 

Tremont

 

 

Ohio City

 

 

AND Central...

 

Edgewater(By request)

So what's different about Little Italy?  :snicker:

^Cosa Nostra, of course  :angel:

 

It makes no sense politically to address it if you have no means of preventing it

 

You have to have the will to do something that counts.  In this case, that means putting people in prison for a long time.

 

There's at least a perception that there's a constituency in the city of Cleveland that opposes this.  Maybe that perception's wrong....but when we see situations like what happened to Damon Wells (harrassed out of his home while some of the neighbors built a makeshift shrine to the wannabe armed robber he ventilated), there's reason to believe it is not.

 

As I said, Brooklyn manages to keep crime to only slightly above the national average.  Shaker Heights and Cleveland Heights seem to at least keep it contained. 

 

The "City" (i.e. anyone at City Hall) can not put anybody in jail for a long time.  City prosecutors don't handle felonies.  City lawmakers don't write laws which address your concerns.  The State of Ohio sets the criminal laws and penalties and the County court system processes all felonies.  Mayor Jackson has no control over Bill Mason and certainly has no control over Bill Batchelder.

 

Cleveland Heights maintains the order it does through HEAVY police presence.  That requires massive government expenditures.  For example, CH reasoned a long time ago that a residential street is safer if a cop car is parked on it.  Therefore, if the cop lives in CH, he gets to take his squad car home so he can park it in front of his house.  In spirit, it is a good idea..... but it also forces the City to buy more squad cars for the other shifts that would not be needed if the cops from the earlier shifts did not leave with their cars.

 

NYC used similar tactics with Guiliani's order maintenance policing back in the 90's when cops were taken out of cars and put on the street the way it used to be.  Again, such efforts required massive expenditures for new hires, overtime, etc.

 

I'm personally all for the City of Cleveland flooding the streets with cops.  But that is kind of hard to do with the hatchet job Kasich and Co. are doing to local budgets and I don't think your TP pals would be all that enthused (unless Kasich proposed it.... then it would be above reproach)

 

 

Lake Avenue keeps making the news

 

That's not really fair--the chase started at 76th and ended at 110th and Lake.  The getaway driver could have driven anywhere! 

 

Clifton/Lake Edgewater are still reasonably safe, though I haven't seen a map as the other neighborhoods above with specifics.  From living in the area I know that once you cross to the proverbial "other side of the tracks"  (south of Baltic) things go downhill...

^ Earlier I said that north of Lake, although not that large of an area, seems to still be fine.

 

I added an edgewater map to the bottom of that post.

Homicides have been up since May. Just because you don't read about a homicide in the morning news doesn't mean it didn't happen last night. I really think the reason you hear more westside than eastside crime is that the local media and its constituents have given up on the eastside, unless its a really good story. Quite frankly, eastside crime has lost its sensationlism due to its frequency.

^ Thats not true according to channel 5. On september 19th, we had 4 less murders than in 2010.

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/Murders-in-Cleveland-down-this-year-more-violence-among-young-people

 

And tons of eastside crime has been reported. Its undeniable though that crime on the westside is increasing.