April 4, 201213 yr I'm almost positive that Steelyard falls into the Tremont SPA. Clark-Fulton is a little to the west ... roughly bound by Clark, Scranton, I-71 and W. 49th Street. Stockyards is the next SPA to the west of that ... roughly Clark to I-71, W. 49th to W. 73rd / Ridge Road. I believe you guys. LOL
April 6, 201213 yr 8ShadesofGray. Great posts. Thanks for the information. Cleveland does seem to be seeing a decrease in crime when compared to Cincinnati neighborhoods.
April 18, 201213 yr Hey all, I posted 2008 - 2010 numbers above ... Had an opportunity to look at a broader range, from 1990 - 2010; here's some high-end findings: - In the past 20 years, crime rates were the highest in 2001. There's been a pretty steady decline in crime rates since then ... Crime rates were 10.0% lower in 2010 than they were in 2001. - In fact, crime rates as of 2010 (15,776 crimes per 100,000 residents) are about the same they were in 1990. In the past 20-year span, 2010 ranked the sixth "safest" year, after 2009 (15,758), 1990 (15,689), 1992 (15,381), 1994 (15,177) and 1993 (15,069). - The fact that we've been shrinking in population during the same time period reduces the visibility of the fact that total crimes committed have decreased pretty remarkably over 20 years. In 2010, a total of 62,602 crimes were reported in the city of Cleveland. Compare that with 79,331 crimes reported in 1990 ... arguably one of the other "safe" years in Cleveland. That's a 21.1% decline in total crimes between 1990 and 2010 ... Unfortunately, we had a similiar percentage decline in population, so our per capita crime rates look about the same.
April 18, 201213 yr very interesting numbers, thanks for posting. Also interesting is that the total nubmer of police has probably declined over that period, just a hunch?
April 18, 201213 yr On the neighborhood front, here are the differences between 1990 and 2010 (same methodology as above ... just looking back to 1990 instead of stopping at 2008). First number in parentheses is their rank among the 36 neighborhoods (lower number = lower crime rate). Second number in parentheses is their rank in 1990. Third number is the percentage change in crime rates between 1990 and 2010. Just as a note, this is a very loooong time period ... Many of these neighborhoods have had pronounced change, either positive or negative, just in the last few years; I'd recommend cross-referencing with the 2008-2010 data above. "Safe" Neighborhood, Getting Safer Kamms Corners (1) (1), -15.3% Buckeye-Shaker (6) (15), -9.4% "Unsafe" Neighborhood, Getting Safer Downtown (36) (36), -72.0% Ohio City (28) (32), -25.8% Central (31) (33), -25.8% Goodrich-Kirtland Park (35) (34), -21.2% Previously "Unsafe" Neighborhood, Now "Safe" Industrial Valley (16) (35), -66.0% University (9) (28), -36.0% Tremont (15) (25), -15.5% "Unsafe" Neighborhood, Staying the Same Fairfax (32) (31), 0.0% "Safe" Neighborhood, Getting Less Safe Old Brooklyn (3) (2), 39.1% Mt. Pleasant (17) (14), 34.5% Union-Miles (18) (16), 27.6% Corlett (14) (9), 26.7% Puritas-Longmead (4) (4), 26.6% Lee-Miles (5) (5), 25.3% North Collinwood (10) (7), 22.6% Brooklyn Centre (13) (10), 21.2% Jefferson (7) (6), 15.9% Euclid-Green (12) (11), 12.9% Riverside (2) (3), 6.9% West Boulevard (8 ) (8 ), 6.4% Edgewater (11) (17), 1.4% "Unsafe" Neighborhood, Getting Less Safe North Broadway (33) (26), 34.4% South Collinwood (29) (21), 34.3% Glenville (27) (20), 25.8% Cudell (24) (19), 25.4% St. Clair-Superior (30) (27), 16.7% Woodland Hills (23) (23), 10.9% Stockyards (21) (22), 13.9% Hough (26) (29), 11.3% Kinsman (34) (30), 8.7% Detroit-Shoreway (22) (24), 7.3% Previously "Safe" Neighborhood, Now "Unsafe" Forest Hills (20) (13), 43.0% South Broadway (19) (12), 41.4% Clark-Fulton (25) (18), 34.8%
April 18, 201213 yr I find this pretty fascinating. While per capita crime rates are about the same in 2010 as they were in 1990, this has hardly been universal across the city. 9 neighborhoods have seen pretty extraordinary reductions in crime rates, while 27 neighborhoods have experienced crime rate increases that have offset these gains. Where we're gaining, we're really, really gaining ... and in pretty concentrated areas. Outside of Kamms Corner on the southwest border and University Circle/Shaker/Buckeye on the east border, all of the gains have been made downtown and every one of the 5 neighborhoods that border downtown (Ohio City, Tremont, Industrial Valley, Central and Goodrich-Kirtland aka Asiatown). Everywhere else, per capita crime has been increasing.
April 18, 201213 yr When you look at changes by total number of crimes, rather than by per capita rates, the picture is sunnier citywide. Only 7 neighborhoods saw an increase in number of crimes between 1990 and 2010 - Old Brooklyn, Clark-Fulton, Puritas-Longmead, South Broadway, Cudell, North Collinwood and Old Brooklyn. Meanwhile, 12 neighborhoods (Downtown, Industrial Valley, Fairfax, Hough, Kinsman, University, Ohio City, Tremont, Central, St. Clair Superior, Goodrich-Kirtland Park and Buckeye Shaker) saw at least a 30% decrease in the number of reported crimes between 1990 and 2010. That's some crazy movement! Downtown leads the pack with a 45.2% reduction in reported crime; when you consider that crime is about half of what it was in 1990 downtown, at the same time that the number of people living downtown has increased considerably, that's pretty staggering. Interesting that even when putting aside population increase/decrease, downtown and all 5 neighborhoods bordering it have been toward the front of the pack in terms of reduction of crime. I also find it fascinating that these dips in total crime around downtown have taken place not just in the Near West neighborhoods (a 36.3% drop in Ohio City and a 34.1% drop in Tremont) but also in the Near East neighborhoods (a 31.1% decline in Central and a 28.2% decline in Goodrich-Kirtland). This seems to point to something going on besides "more educated people with higher incomes are moving in".
April 18, 201213 yr Sorry, I know I'm gumming up this page, but I'm totally nerding out right now. Haha. Quick examination of downtown in particular: - In 1990, 4,954 crimes were reported downtown. This was 6.2% of all crimes reported in the city. In 1991, that number climbed to 4,974, representing the peak of downtown crime. - City crime reached its peak in 2001. Crime was already down a little downtown, with 4,230 reported crimes. At that point, downtown crime was 5.1% of all crime in the city. - Downtown crime was still high in 2005 at 4,585, representing a pretty crazy 20.9% increase in just one year (as a point of comparison, crime citywide increased only 2.5% from 2004 and 2005 ... Downtown's increase was eight-fold the city average!). - Then, in 2006, crime started dropping downtown. While citywide, we saw a 0.1% drop in crime that year, downtown saw a 13.2% drop. Followed by another 16.0% drop in 2007. Then another 1.8% in 2008. And another 9.1% in 2009. And another 9.0% in 2010. - All in all crime dropped 31.7% between 2006 and 2010. Much of the gains we made in crime reduction downtown have happened just since 2006. The city had a pretty substantial 16.9% drop in crime during the same period, but that means crime was falling almost twice as fast downtown as the city as a whole. In 2010, downtown crime represented only 4.3% of crime in Cleveland ... The lowest level in that entire 20-year period. So what do you guys think caused that? I would imagine that as population has increased, there's more foot traffic, which people always cite as one of the largest deterrents of crime. Moreover, the most recent Census shows that those gains have been all over downtown, with some of the biggest gains being made in the Campus District, Gateway and Flats West Bank. So not only do we have more foot traffic but we have more foot traffic universally throughout downtown, which could reduce the likelihood that some parts of downtown are havens for crime, while others are completely safe. It's also absolutely worth noting that the Downtown Cleveland Alliance's Special Improvement District came online in 2006. The Clean & Safe Ambassadors came online in April 2006. Aggressive panhandling enforcements were put into place in parts of downtown in early 2007. Regardless of what's leading to this, a) awesomesauce, b) What's really incredible is that it hasn't translated into higher crime in the surrounding neighborhoods; all those gains were made downtown at a time when serious gains were also made in all the adjacent nabes.
April 19, 201213 yr So what do you guys think caused that? I would imagine that as population has increased, there's more foot traffic, which people always cite as one of the largest deterrents of crime. Moreover, the most recent Census shows that those gains have been all over downtown, with some of the biggest gains being made in the Campus District, Gateway and Flats West Bank. So not only do we have more foot traffic but we have more foot traffic universally throughout downtown, which could reduce the likelihood that some parts of downtown are havens for crime, while others are completely safe. It's also absolutely worth noting that the Downtown Cleveland Alliance's Special Improvement District came online in 2006. The Clean & Safe Ambassadors came online in April 2006. Aggressive panhandling enforcements were put into place in parts of downtown in early 2007. Also the decline of sports teams. As Browns (well perpetual decline), Indians and Post Lebron Cavs attendance figures fall there will be fare less reports of crimes like car break ins, etc.
April 19, 201213 yr You can see a decrease in all categories of crime for CSU as well. The largest drops being in Motor Vehicle Theft, probably due to the construction of Garages. In 2005 they had 25 Motor Vehicle Theft. In 2010, they only had 5. A large drop was from 2007(19) to 2008(2).
April 23, 201213 yr Awesome pic posted on Cleveland Police Department's new Facebook page... https://www.facebook.com/ClevelandPoliceDept This happened Friday (4/20) night on West 117th Street just below the RTA station, at the border with Lakewood. And I mean this car is balanced ON the border with Lakewood! I wonder if LPD and CPD had a flip a coin to figure out which department would call for the tow truck.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 19, 201213 yr EDIT: I just added another column for population density. Thanks! For Tremont I used the north triangle part.(Lincoln Park) Ohio City I used West 44th, Lorain, Franklin, and West 25th. Asiatown I used St Clair, Payne, East 30th, and the railroad tracks. And then Little Italy is obvious.
May 22, 201213 yr ^Interesting, thanks. What did you use for neighborhood boundaries? Just took some time and put this together. I think it is quite interesting. I'm guessing some of the assaults in Tremont and Ohio City are bar related. The reason for Little Italy's numbers is obvious. The "residents association" may have lost its reach, but not its bite.
May 26, 201213 yr Bars, quite likely, but also through traffic in Ohio City and AsiaTown. Most of the assaults in Ohio City happen around Fulton and on Lorain.
May 27, 201213 yr Thanks again, ClevelandOhio, this is really cool stuff. What would be really fantastic would be for the PD or someone else with some resources to look at the police reports for a meaningful sample of crimes in various neighborhoods to see what share are "random." As many people have mentioned over the years, domestic violence, crimes among criminals and the like don't really say much about the danger-level of the geography.
May 27, 201213 yr I could work on removing domestic violence ones. I often wish domestic violence crimes were listed under their own separate category.
June 11, 201213 yr Officer assault and a shooting on a Sunday night in the WHD: http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2012/06/11/off-duty-police-officer-assaulted-another-man-shot-in-warehouse-district
June 11, 201213 yr Downtown Chicago got hit very hard by mob violence this weekend too. Officer assault and a shooting on a Sunday night in the WHD: http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2012/06/11/off-duty-police-officer-assaulted-another-man-shot-in-warehouse-district People amaze me sometimes. Someone posted on Cleveland.com, wondering what the cop did to provoke the guys who assaulted him. I’d say the women asked to be walked to their car for a reason, and the d-bags in the car were the reason. Some guys are mortally insulted when a woman doesn’t talk to them. Sometimes when they behave badly enough, they get kicked out of the club. The officer merely added to the “diss”.
June 11, 201213 yr Downtown Chicago got hit very hard by mob violence this weekend too. Officer assault and a shooting on a Sunday night in the WHD: http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2012/06/11/off-duty-police-officer-assaulted-another-man-shot-in-warehouse-district People amaze me sometimes. Someone posted on Cleveland.com, wondering what the cop did to provoke the guys who assaulted him. Id say the women asked to be walked to their car for a reason, and the d-bags in the car were the reason. Some guys are mortally insulted when a woman doesnt talk to them. Sometimes when they behave badly enough, they get kicked out of the club. The officer merely added to the diss. Yeah, its amazing either how much mankind has reverted (or how little progress has been made in this regard). Undoubtely, adding in the thug element likely didnt help any in this case, which would account for the disregard for authority.
June 12, 201213 yr Don't think organized crime still exists in Greater Cleveland and throughout NE Ohio? It does, and its more multi-cultural, multi-ethnic than ever. Note that this traces back to New Jersey, North Carolina and then to Ukraine, with all manner of people involved. I love the PR headline tho, as if this spate of indictments has cause the demand for illegal gambling and other vices to go away..... FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE May 30, 2012 Illegal Internet Café’s Will No Longer Exist In Cuyahoga County 10 Defendants and 7 Companies Indicted CLEVELAND- Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Bill Mason, along with the Ohio Investigative Unit of the Ohio Department of Public Safety, the Parma Heights Police Department, the Ohio Attorney General’s Office, the Bureau of Criminal Investigation and Identification, U.S. Secret Service, U.S. Marshal Service, and U.S. Postal Inspector’s Office announced the indictment of ten defendants and seven companies involved in illegal Internet Sweepstakes Cafes in Cuyahoga County. The individuals and companies named in today’s indictment are operating, or working in close cooperation with the owners of an intricate internet gambling system known as “VS2” that is controlled by a computer server in the New Jersey headquarters of VS2 Worldwide Communications, LLC. The Ohio Investigative Unit of the Ohio Department of Public Safety, working with the U.S. Secret Service, have identified the principal operators and account holders of the VS2 gaming system as Phillip Cornick, Edward Kaba, and Richard Upchurch. Over the last four years, these individuals have perpetuated the expansion of their VS2 gaming system into Ohio with the assistance of Ohio-based distributors and marketers of the system: George Georgekopoulos, Pete Georgekopoulos, Christos Karasarides, and Christopher Maggiore. These individuals have convinced many small business owners in Cuyahoga County that VS2 internet café gaming system operates as “sweepstakes,” which are not illegal and unregulated in Ohio. In addition, the distributors and marketers of the VS2 gaming system have benefitted from the assistance of local opportunists. Martin and Neil Sarcyk, owners of Union Vending, which already had a significant number of Cuyahoga County’s bars and restaurants as existing customers for their vending machines, jukeboxes and arcade games, acquired many VS2 gaming system terminals from VS2 Worldwide Communications, LLC and VS2’s partner company, P&E Technologies, Inc. The Sarcyk’s, through their business, Union Vending, convinced several of their clients to add the VS2 gaming system terminals to their bars and restaurants. Two of these establishments were: Good Time Charlies II and Mr. B’s, both operating in Parma Heights. VS2’s expansion practices indicate how determined they were to control the Internet sweepstakes cafe business wherever it went. When the owner of “Good Times Charlies II” rejected suggestions that she get rid of her restaurant/bar altogether and dramatically expand her number of VS2 gaming terminals, another local opportunist, James Watson, opened the Sweepnet Internet Café just a few business storefronts away. Unlike the majority of the cafes in Cuyahoga County, Sweepnet never registered with the Secretary of State, meaning it does not pay state taxes and is not a legal entity that can be held accountable in any way, except by Parma Heights. With records acquired by the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor’s Office, the Ohio Investigative Unit and the U.S. Secret Service identified numerous company and individual bank accounts being used to “launder” the vast amounts of cash being generated by the network. The revenue is funneled to New Jersey to VS2 Worldwide Communications, LLC in the form of checks and money orders from the individual café owners, such as James Watson, and vendors such as Union Vending, which collect cash from its local collaborators. Watson and Union Vending would then only send checks to VS2. Since February 2008, VS2 has profited from illegal gambling to the tune of over $48 million. Their profit of over $48 million represents only 25% of the proceeds from the illegal Internet gambling cafés in our County. The money is then distributed from the business account of VS2 Worldwide Communications LLC to various individual accounts owned by Phillip Cornick, Edward Kaba, Richard Upchurch, and a mysterious bank account in the Ukraine, as well as back to Ohio to the business account of Elite Entertainment DBA VS2 Marketing Group, an account controlled by Christos Karasarides, Jr., George Georgekopoulos and Pete Georgekopoulos. The ten defendants and seven companies were indicted on counts of engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity, a first degree felony; conspiracy, a second degree felony; gambling, a misdemeanor of the first degree; gambling, a fifth degree felony; operating a gambling house, a fifth degree felony; and money laundering, a third degree felony. The defendants are: 1) Phillip Cornick, 47, of Jackson, New Jersey 2) Edward Kaba, 45, of Toms River, New Jersey 3) Richard Upchurch, 56, of Ramseur, North Carolina 4) George Georgekopoulos, 37, of Hinckley 5) Pete Georgekopoulos, 39, of Stow 6) Christos Karasarides, Jr, 46, of Canton 7) Christopher Maggiore, 46, of Canton 8) James Watson, 61, of Canton 9) Martin Sarcyk, 61, of North Royalton 10) Neil Sarcyk, 25, of Parma Heights 11) VS2 Worldwide Communications, LLC. 12) P&E Technologies, Inc. 13) Elite Entertainment, Inc. DBA VS2 Marketing Group 14) Cyber Cov, LLC 15) CKare Corp 16) CMKare LLC 17) Union Vending “We are working hard with partners like Prosecutor Mason to crack down on illegal internet cafes in Ohio,” said Attorney General DeWine. “These businesses, hundreds across Ohio, are totally unregulated and can be a real consumer rip-off.” Prosecutor Mason said, “The end result is exactly what the members of the criminal enterprise intended – a complicated and elaborate, layered web of related companies dispersing and distributing money to each other with hopes of never being caught. The days of gambling with the law have come to a screeching halt.” Contact: Maria (Pinzone) Russo, Public Information Officer, (216) 698-2819, cell (216) 299-9326 or [email protected] http://prosecutor.cuyahogacounty.us "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 12, 201213 yr Wow, that is an atrocious press release. VS2’s expansion practices indicate how determined they were to control the Internet sweepstakes cafe business wherever it went. When the owner of “Good Times Charlies II” rejected suggestions that she get rid of her restaurant/bar altogether and dramatically expand her number of VS2 gaming terminals, another local opportunist, James Watson, [what, what, did he order a hit?? break a knee cap?? Light the place on fire??] ...opened the Sweepnet Internet Café just a few business storefronts away. Those monsters!
June 12, 201213 yr Interesting but ultimately a silly and infuriating use of law enforcement, akin to Coventry cops ticketing college kids rather than focusing their attentions on nearby high crime areas barely a mile or two away. But still a very interesting article all together.
June 12, 201213 yr Everything illegal (or inept) traces back to Jersey. Don't think organized crime still exists in Greater Cleveland and throughout NE Ohio? It does, and its more multi-cultural, multi-ethnic than ever. Note that this traces back to New Jersey, North Carolina and then to Ukraine, with all manner of people involved. Is it me, or is Mason channeling McGruff the Crime Dog with this gem: Prosecutor Mason said, “The days of gambling with the law have come to a screeching halt.”
June 13, 201213 yr Kind of hard to believe that we are talking 'organized crime' in this thread and focusing on internet sweepstakes cafes and not the 70+ arrests that were made yesterday breaking up a massive criminal ring
June 13, 201213 yr Sad. These sound like quality people, the kind you need to turn this place around. Thieves gut Lorain Avenue building in Cleveland, but owners remain steadfast in their commitment to the neighborhood By Michael K. McIntyre CLEVELAND, Ohio — It's not a cliche to say that the rundown building that once housed a precious stones store on Lorain Avenue, near the west end of Cleveland's Antique Row, was, for Aaron Pearl and his wife, Lisa Anne Carlini, a diamond in the rough. But the cop cars were not a good sign. The Cleveland couple exited the highway Saturday night to see the place -- which they'd been working to turn into a coffee shop and local foods mecca -- surrounded by cops. Everything of value had been extracted by scrappers. Two furnaces, one brand new. Most of the new electrical wiring. Copper pipes, even those hidden in the walls. Broken plaster and lath boards testified to the thieves' muscular determination. They even took the kitchen sink – two actually – from the apartments upstairs. Bathtubs, too. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/06/thieves_gut_lorain_avenue_buil.html
June 13, 201213 yr This is huge, and related to a smaller bust from January. Federal and Northeast Ohio agents bust huge coke-trafficking gang; 72 indicted for drug-related charges Published: Tuesday, June 12, 2012, 6:18 PM Updated: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 2:48 AM By James F. McCarty, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Federal agents and city police officers conducted a synchronized, predawn sweep of suspected drug dens and hideouts throughout East Side Cleveland neighborhoods Tuesday, arresting more than 60 members of what officials called a violent, multi-state cocaine-trafficking gang. A 122-page, 97-count indictment filed later in the morning showed that federal and local investigators had been tracking the suspected drug dealers for two years, and recorded more than 37,000 cell phone calls with secret FBI wiretaps since September 2011. U.S. Attorney Steven Dettelbach said the investigation, dubbed "Operation Northwest Express," netted 86 suspects, which was believed to be the largest number of defendants ever charged in a single drug-trafficking indictment in the Northern District of Ohio. The federal indictment charges 72 suspects with drug-related crimes, such as conspiracy to distribute cocaine, money-laundering, and possession with intent to distribute cocaine. Another 14 suspects were indicted in Cuyahoga County. Sixteen suspects remain free. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/06/post_28.html
June 13, 201213 yr Should be interesting to see which of your friends and co-workers are a wee-bit more irritable next week...
June 14, 201213 yr This is huge, and related to a smaller bust from January. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/06/post_28.html Serious story for sure, but at least this allowed me to laugh for a second: Drug amounts were called "six piece," "ballie," "higgity" and "bizzel."
June 21, 201212 yr Hanna Theater Break In http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/break-in-at-hanna-theatre-in-clevelands-playhousesquare
July 16, 201212 yr http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/07/youth_robbers_plague_shaker_sq.html
July 16, 201212 yr This was nice, balanced coverage, so hard to do with crime stories. Love this quote from a victim of one of the thefts: "Let me make it clear that I love Shaker Square," Soltis said. "I thought it was great as a kid, and I love the way the Coral Co. has done a great job in developing the square. "When something happens like this, you feel violated. I'll come back to Shaker Square, but security needs beefing up here. A lot of people told us petty thefts have been happening here."
July 16, 201212 yr This is the sort of crime that can be reduced 100% by having a beat cop standing nearby. It's also the kind that keeps people out of urban commercial districts, although thankfully not the guy quoted above. One thing I noticed when I was living near the Square was the large amount of police presence, some city some private. Is that no longer the case?
July 16, 201212 yr Purse snatchers? I haven't heard of that since the 80s. Maybe they can do one of those dress an undercover up as an old lady bits... Or send Kyrie as Uncle Drew
July 16, 201212 yr I doubt there is a connection, but recently there have been black teens on bikes taking peoples phones and backpacks north of Cleveland State.
July 16, 201212 yr ^ Why? "The suspects were described as three African American teenagers, one in a white tank top shirt and another wearing a blue FUBU tee shirt." and a different one... "The suspects were described as a group of five to six African American teenaged males on bicycles" And another... " A group of seven to 10 African American juvenile males on bicycles passed near her. One of the boys, with dark shorts and no shirt, took her cell phone. The group then left the area on their bikes. " And another... "The suspects were described as African Americans in their mid teens. One individual was described as bald, or wearing short hair, another was described as having dreadlocks. All three were wearing plain black and white shirts."
July 16, 201212 yr Since the race of the suspects is somehow relevant for the purposes of this thread, we may as well be as specific as possible.
July 16, 201212 yr OK I might not have brought up their race, but this story raises legitimate concerns. Encountering gangs of brigands is something from a D&D game. You've been attacked-- roll initiative! This shouldn't be happening in Cleveland, certainly not right by CSU.
July 16, 201212 yr OK I might not have brought up their race, but this story raises legitimate concerns. Encountering gangs of brigands is something from a D&D game. You've been attacked-- roll initiative! This shouldn't be happening in Cleveland, certainly not right by CSU. Its more of a recent problem. Those are all in the last month. I think they have to be somewhat related.
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