^Yeah, I'm going to disagree that snatch and run robberies happening in different parts of the city "have to" be related in anyway, except [maybe] one group of teens heard that another group got some cold stuff doing it.  These things are as common as car thefts in other cities, even really safe cities.  The invention of the iPod has been credited with a measurable increase in crime on NYC subways, for example, because it's such an easy/tempting grab and go target.  Which isn't to say that these things don't make my blood boil.

Sooner or later, kids like that run into someone who 'keeps it realer'.... They'll get what's coming to them if they keep it up.

 

And I was really half-joking ClevelandOhio (bad humor I suppose from the whole Zimmerman mixed race debate).  For informational purposes (i.e. "be on the lookout").... their race is relevant.

^^These devices also make it much easier to organize.  And a group of 7-10 is by definition organized.  But I think your guess is right, tales of success spreads fast nowadays.  That makes it even scarier though... unrelated groups are all finding success in the field of roving banditry.  Not a good sign.

^Yeah, I'm going to disagree that snatch and run robberies happening in different parts of the city "have to" be related in anyway

 

I probably didn't make it clear, but I meant that the ones near CSU have to be related. I mentioned upthread that I doubt there is a connection to the Shaker Square ones, but there could be.

^Ahhh got it, sorry. Well the one thing about phones is that they increasingly have easy-to-locate GPS devices in them, and criminals are often dumb enough not to address this, so hopefully some police legwork can get the word out that there are risks in this type of enterprise.

Hopefully some police "legwork" will appear in the areas where this is happening!

Overcoming police indifference to these types of crimes is not always easy.  Here is a well known and infuriating story from NYC from a few years ago: http://www.evanwashere.com/StolenSidekick/

 

But, the good news is that it looks like the carriers are FINALLY getting it together to use technology to reduce cell phone theft:

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/09/att-cellphone-theft/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/cellphone-theft-stolen-phone-database_n_1413721.html

My car got ravaged through a year or two ago.  I called the police, not because I necessarily wanted the property back which was taken (a flashlight and some change), but rather to make them aware of the issue and to document any pattern in the neighborhood.  The cop shows up and just non-stop lobbies me about how there is little he can do to follow up..... not that I was asking him to do anything specific.  While speaking with him, the guy from up the street comes down and says same thing happened to his truck that same night.  The cop goes to look at his truck and then returns.  I told him I indicated in my written report he had me filling out about the truck up the street.  He got all huffy-puffy with me, saying that was none of my business and that the guy up the street didn't ask to report anything.  I told him that I was sorry if it created additional paperwork for him, but don't dictate to me how to fill out my report and what is and is not relevant in my neighborhood.  Total indifference to the petty crimes on that cop's part.

^ Wow, thats terrible. Good thing you didn't let him intimidate you.

This is the sort of crime that can be reduced 100% by having a beat cop standing nearby.  It's also the kind that keeps people out of urban commercial districts, although thankfully not the guy quoted above.

 

One thing I noticed when I was living near the Square was the large amount of police presence, some city some private.  Is that no longer the case?

 

Occasionally I'll see the random police officer walking around the Square and sometimes I'll see them hanging out in/around the Yours Truly.  I know that Dave's Supermarket also has security keeping on eye near their entrance, but as far as I can tell they're just as concerned about who's parking in their lot and not coming to the grocery store as they are about anything else. 

 

I hate to say it, but I have wondered in the past if Shaker Square (and Larchmere) would get more of a police presence if they were both fully a part of Shaker Heights and under the jurisdiction of their police department.  It almost seems like the CPD is stretched too thin to worry much about an area that is relatively low-crime.  Even though I realize that they know that if they want to keep attracting folks from the suburbs that they need to keep the neighborhood safe, I don't know that they have the resources to do so as well as the SHPD might.  Just a thought.

This is the sort of crime that can be reduced 100% by having a beat cop standing nearby.  It's also the kind that keeps people out of urban commercial districts, although thankfully not the guy quoted above.

 

One thing I noticed when I was living near the Square was the large amount of police presence, some city some private.  Is that no longer the case?

 

Occasionally I'll see the random police officer walking around the Square and sometimes I'll see them hanging out in/around the Yours Truly.  I know that Dave's Supermarket also has security keeping on eye near their entrance, but as far as I can tell they're just as concerned about who's parking in their lot and not coming to the grocery store as they are about anything else. 

 

I hate to say it, but I have wondered in the past if Shaker Square (and Larchmere) would get more of a police presence if they were both fully a part of Shaker Heights and under the jurisdiction of their police department.  It almost seems like the CPD is stretched too thin to worry much about an area that is relatively low-crime.  Even though I realize that they know that if they want to keep attracting folks from the suburbs that they need to keep the neighborhood safe, I don't know that they have the resources to do so as well as the SHPD might.  Just a thought.

 

Can they, legally, have their own police department as University Circle has for decades?  I tend to doubt Cleveland would be willing to give up the tax revenue in the SS area.

 

As for "keeping it realer" (every time I hear that phrase I snicker at what Chris Rock did to it), they are not going to target the black guy who looks like he could play for the Browns.  They may be uneducated, but aren't quite that dumb.  They will go after the white "yuppie" types.

 

This of course leads to some sting opportunities.  Too bad they probably can't stick a remotely triggered taser burst in a fake cell phone  (snicker).

A white yuppie type can 'keep it real' if they take their balls out of their wife's purse.

 

I had forgot about Chris Rock's bit..... but I actually had these Chappelle skits in mind when I made that comment earlier (WARNING - comedy central approved profanity included):

 

 

 

 

OK I might not have brought up their race, but this story raises legitimate concerns.  Encountering gangs of brigands is something from a D&D game.  You've been attacked-- roll initiative!  This shouldn't be happening in Cleveland, certainly not right by CSU.

 

Its more of a recent problem. Those are all in the last month. I think they have to be somewhat related.

 

Not a recent problem.  Last summer gangs of black youths on bicycles attacked and beat 3 victims within a weeks time.  One on Lake and West, one on West between Clifton and Baltic, and another on Detroit near W 115.

 

It's a trend and the race observation is correct and valuable if you want to be aware of possible trouble.

Can they, legally, have their own police department as University Circle has for decades?  I tend to doubt Cleveland would be willing to give up the tax revenue in the SS area.

 

I was thinking about that possibility, too.  I'm sure if the area merchants/residents/landlords wanted to have something like that, the city would likely work with them to legally arrange for it.

OK I might not have brought up their race, but this story raises legitimate concerns.  Encountering gangs of brigands is something from a D&D game.  You've been attacked-- roll initiative!  This shouldn't be happening in Cleveland, certainly not right by CSU.

 

Its more of a recent problem. Those are all in the last month. I think they have to be somewhat related.

 

Not a recent problem.  Last summer gangs of black youths on bicycles attacked and beat 3 victims within a weeks time.  One on Lake and West, one on West between Clifton and Baltic, and another on Detroit near W 115.

 

It's a trend and the race observation is correct and valuable if you want to be aware of possible trouble.

 

I just meant a recent problem around CSU.

OK I might not have brought up their race, but this story raises legitimate concerns.  Encountering gangs of brigands is something from a D&D game.  You've been attacked-- roll initiative!  This shouldn't be happening in Cleveland, certainly not right by CSU.

 

Its more of a recent problem. Those are all in the last month. I think they have to be somewhat related.

 

Not a recent problem.  Last summer gangs of black youths on bicycles attacked and beat 3 victims within a weeks time.  One on Lake and West, one on West between Clifton and Baltic, and another on Detroit near W 115.

 

It's a trend and the race observation is correct and valuable if you want to be aware of possible trouble.

 

There have been lots of break-ins in the last year according to people in the neighborhood of Lake Ave and West Blvd.  I did hear about the attacks at A Touch of Class last year as well.

I see the news today has a story that Cleveland Metro Hospital has it's own police force now, able to write tickets, arrest & detain people.  By my count, this is a half dozen quasi-police forces operating within Cleveland city limits, doing essentially the same thing as Cleveland police: Cleveland Metro, Cleveland State University, UCI, CMHA....  does Case Western have it's own police too?  I'm curious how the rest of Cleveland police feels about this and how it impacts their patrols and staff budgets.  Is the City essentially trying to focus the Cleveland Police into just the neighborhoods?

OK I might not have brought up their race, but this story raises legitimate concerns.  Encountering gangs of brigands is something from a D&D game.  You've been attacked-- roll initiative!  This shouldn't be happening in Cleveland, certainly not right by CSU.

 

Its more of a recent problem. Those are all in the last month. I think they have to be somewhat related.

 

Not a recent problem.  Last summer gangs of black youths on bicycles attacked and beat 3 victims within a weeks time.  One on Lake and West, one on West between Clifton and Baltic, and another on Detroit near W 115.

 

It's a trend and the race observation is correct and valuable if you want to be aware of possible trouble.

 

There have been lots of break-ins in the last year according to people in the neighborhood of Lake Ave and West Blvd.  I did hear about the attacks at A Touch of Class last year as well.

 

As well as plenty of problems on Edgewater.  I saw it coming years ago...

The Cleveland Clinic also has its own legal police department and I'm fairly certain that CWRU does, too.  What about GCRTA?

 

I've always been curious about just how much authority these departments have...particularly I'm wondering if, for instance, the Cleveland Clinic PD could start doing things like setting up speed traps or even making routine traffic stops along Chester or Carnegie? 

Anyone and everyone can make an arrest for a felony..... including citizens if they witness it.  These special police forces are empowered with the ability to issue misdemeanor tickets, which makes them different from a mall cop.  They also follow through, via court appearances, etc, on all MD tickets they issue.  But if they arrest for a felony, then Cleveland PD steps in and takes over the case

I see the news today has a story that Cleveland Metro Hospital has it's own police force now, able to write tickets, arrest & detain people.  By my count, this is a half dozen quasi-police forces operating within Cleveland city limits, doing essentially the same thing as Cleveland police: Cleveland Metro, Cleveland State University, UCI, CMHA....  does Case Western have it's own police too?  I'm curious how the rest of Cleveland police feels about this and how it impacts their patrols and staff budgets.  Is the City essentially trying to focus the Cleveland Police into just the neighborhoods?

 

Im not sure if its good for the cleveland police, but its GREAT for the city.

My car got ravaged through a year or two ago.  I called the police, not because I necessarily wanted the property back which was taken (a flashlight and some change), but rather to make them aware of the issue and to document any pattern in the neighborhood.  The cop shows up and just non-stop lobbies me about how there is little he can do to follow up..... not that I was asking him to do anything specific.  While speaking with him, the guy from up the street comes down and says same thing happened to his truck that same night.  The cop goes to look at his truck and then returns.  I told him I indicated in my written report he had me filling out about the truck up the street.  He got all huffy-puffy with me, saying that was none of my business and that the guy up the street didn't ask to report anything.  I told him that I was sorry if it created additional paperwork for him, but don't dictate to me how to fill out my report and what is and is not relevant in my neighborhood.  Total indifference to the petty crimes on that cop's part.

 

I hate stories like this. I have to say when my car was broken into the Lakewood Police were very supportive and polite. I often think of a guy I know in a band had his guitar stolen. This happened literally a block east of Lakewood border, in Cudell. So he went to Cleveland Police and told Police exactly WHO stole it, and WHERE it could be found. The officer basically stated that they were way too busy with much more serious crimes for it to be a concern.  And that he was probably better off using "street justice" to get his guitar back.

 

 

There have been two murders in North Collinwood in the past two months.

I wonder if this guy was an example of "street justice"?

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/07/man_found_dead_along_morning_r.html

^^ define "north collinwood"

^^ define "north collinwood"

 

Everything between East 140th and like Nottingham, north of the highway.

I only asked because there are some who limit that term to the residential streets north of Lakeshore.  I agree with your definition.... although I would stretch it east passed Nottingham all the way to the Euclid border and maybe make the csx tracks the southern border  Did the murders occur west or east of 156?

Yeah technically it extends out to East 200th at points, but I decided to just cut it off at Euclid Creek to make it simple.  And to answer your question there is one east of it, and one west of it.

West of 156 doesn't surprise me at all..... the one east of 156 is a bit disheartening as that area has promise

There has also been one in Lakeview Terrace, another reason for why those have got to go.

 

In all, there have been 14 in the past 3 months, five of which were decently close to the East Cleveland border. You also have one in Central, one it Asiatown, one in Brooklyn-Centre, and three in southeast Cleveland.

 

 

Also just wondering, why does Lorain and Detroit Avenue, in Detroit Shoreway see such a large amount of Prostitution? Its clearly more than the rest of the city. The next problem area after those is Euclid Avenue in the Euclid Green area, once you pass East Cleveland.

the one east of 156 is a bit disheartening as that area has promise

 

On top of the 34 residential burglaries that have happened in the past 3 months between East 156th, Lakeshore, Nottingham, and the Highway

Also just wondering, why does Lorain and Detroit Avenue, in Detroit Shoreway see such a large amount of Prostitution? Its clearly more than the rest of the city. The next problem area after those is Euclid Avenue in the Euclid Green area, once you pass East Cleveland.

 

The City put some effort into cleaning up Prospect in the eighties, and all the hookers moved to Detroit and Lorain around then.  Not sure why, though.

West of 156 doesn't surprise me at all..... the one east of 156 is a bit disheartening as that area has promise

 

My brother lives on 156, in that little area north of Lakeshore (Beulah Park?).  It's not bad, and of course the Waterloo area is doing well.  In between.....lock your doors.

 

Using those two points as catalysts, you might be able to develop some positive vibe.

^It really varies street to street (for the "in between" area), depending on the housing stock.  There are some stark contrasts in that area.  But, anywhere in the vicinity, including where your brother lives, is a "lock-your-door" neighborhood.

^It really varies street to street (for the "in between" area), depending on the housing stock.  There are some stark contrasts in that area.  But, anywhere in the vicinity, including where your brother lives, is a "lock-your-door" neighborhood.

 

I meant in the car.  Getting old means leaving out words sometimes.... :-o

Nah.  I ride my bike through there on occasion (obviously without my 'door' unlocked).  Do people still do 'car-jackings' these days anyway?  I thought that went out of style after the 90's ended

When I go to crimereports.com I no longer can get data for the City of Cleveland. I can get recent crime data for Lakewood, though. Does anyone know if the Cleveland police no longer report on this website?

^ Yeah I believe they stopped awhile ago.

When I go to crimereports.com I no longer can get data for the City of Cleveland. I can get recent crime data for Lakewood, though. Does anyone know if the Cleveland police no longer report on this website?

 

there seem to be only 2 locations to get the crime data now:

 

http://spotcrime.com/oh/cleveland

and

http://www.clevelandgis.org/pub/index.html?config=crime.xml  (and it appears that the City's site defaults everything to an 8pm incident time, which isn't very helpful)

 

Also just wondering, why does Lorain and Detroit Avenue, in Detroit Shoreway see such a large amount of Prostitution? Its clearly more than the rest of the city. The next problem area after those is Euclid Avenue in the Euclid Green area, once you pass East Cleveland.

 

The City put some effort into cleaning up Prospect in the eighties, and all the hookers moved to Detroit and Lorain around then.  Not sure why, though.

 

Street prostitution exists where there are drug houses and street dealers. Those side streets off Lorain, and the side streets throughout the near west side, have many drug houses. The street hookers are on all-out, around the clock binges on crack, smack, or whatever. 100% of them. If someone wanted to be a prostitute and wasn't an all-out drug addict they obviously would be escorts instead. And these all-out drug addicts  never want to be far from the dopeboys they buy from, the drug houses they crash in, and the other drug addicts they are bingeing with. They are doing drugs 24 hours a day and constantly need to be able to get quick cash and quick fixes. Once a neighborhood is established as a place where drug houses can be set up and people can get quick cash and quick fixes to support doing drugs around the clock, it's very hard to root that out. (As for Euclid and Green, add to the drug houses the fact that there are multiple cheap motels for hookers to work out of.)

 

There are other factors that make Lorain Ave. a prostitution area. It is somewhat safer than the east side prostitution areas (not TOO safe, though -- a prostitute was shot at West 73rd and Lorain a few weeks ago...although she's right back out there now). It's a poor neighborhood but it has a steady flow of Johns with cash passing through. Some of the businesses in the area sell drug paraphernalia. I don't want to name business names here because I don't want to be accused of defaming anyone, but there are certain gas stations in the area that sell, for example, "kits". A drug addict will ask for a kit and from behind the counter they are handed a paper bag containing a glass tube (for a pipe), a lighter, and Chore Boy (used as a filter for crack pipes). When they need clothes on the cheap, they walk to the big thrift store. They have everything they need in that neighborhood to survive without thinking about anything else but drugs and getting money for drugs (that's why they are drawn to the lifestyle when running away from the problems in their lives). The whole neighborhood is well suited for a drug addict to binge in, and because it's gone on so long it has become tolerated to an extent (by the police and the residents).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^ Wow, thanks for that indepth response. And welcome to UrbanOhio! That was a great piece of information.

 

Cleveland police warn of downtown carjackings

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Police warn downtown workers and visitors to be extra cautious after some carjackings within a few blocks of the Justice Center.

 

Police said four cars were stolen at gunpoint between June 22 and July 30. In three of the cases, the victims were young women. The fourth victim was a young man. Three of the cars have been recovered.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/08/cleveland_police_warn_of_downt.html

That's terrible. I like the idea of a dummy wallet though. Maybe I will get one of those.

That's terrible. I like the idea of a dummy wallet though. Maybe I will get one of those.

 

With a RFID chip and/or a paint pack....lol

 

Looks like my comment about using undercover cops to smoke these types out and shoot a couple "resisting arrest" got deleted.    :evil:

How dumb doyou have to be to commit a crime where they don't even have to put you in the back of a squad car..... they can just walk you accross the street

How dumb doyou have to be to commit a crime where they don't even have to put you in the back of a squad car..... they can just walk you accross the street

 

And yet its been happening and they have been getting away with it. 

 

You'd think that considering the proximity to the justice center, that maybe they could park some cop cars around the neighborhood instead of the garage as a deterant...

They do........ and I bet the justice center area is relatively low crime when taking into account that it is frequented by the worst elements that visit downtown.  These incident sound like the work of one nutjob who will indeed get busted if he keeps it up

So we have two armed robberies downtown this week.  One near Progressive field and one near the Casino.

 

With the much publicized new security measures at Browns Stadium I'm wondering how many people with Browns jerseys on are going to get held up this year since the criminals know they wont be armed due to the new mandatory metal detectors?

 

Note the use of bikes in the Prog Field incident.  Two guys, two bikes, a gun and twenty dollars.

 

Progressive Field: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/08/man_robbed_after_leaving_job_a.html

 

Casino: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/08/casino_robbery_suspect_arreste.html

I don't think any of the idiots who do armed robberies in broad daylight and public care to think much about whether the person they are robbing might be armed.  You are giving them too much credit.  The incident around the stadium sounds rather random.  The one involving the casino patrol should serve as a word to the wise if you ever have the fortune to cash out big winnings there.

Cleveland: Downtown crime stats show decrease

CLEVELAND -- With hundreds of thousands of people expected in downtown Cleveland for the Cleveland National Air Show, the city wants to restore its reputation for safety.

 

Recently released crime statistics show significant decreases in the number of reported property crimes in the last eight months.

 

There were 48 percent fewer car break-ins since January 2012 than last year during that same time frame.

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/258764/3/Cleveland-Downtown-crimes-stats-show-decrease

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/09/1_man_killed_another_wounded_i.html#incart_river_default

 

No shock that it was south of Lakeshore, which is like the Green Line over there.