This is less likely to happen if he's staying at the Polo Club, you know.  :evil:

 

Seriously, this is on the "fan".  Remember Steffi Graff?  Everyone involved in celebrity personal security sure does. 

 

I doubt very much he threw punches.  If I'm in charge of his security detail I have already told him to never get personally involved and I am tearing him a new one later if he did.  A client who does that just made your job 10X harder.

What makes you think he has a security detail?  I know his parents had some people follow every now and again while he was at A&M, but I haven't heard anything about him walking around C-Town with a 'security detail'.  The whole idea of an NFL player having a security detail is kind of silly to me.

What makes you think he has a security detail?  I know his parents had some people follow every now and again while he was at A&M, but I haven't heard anything about him walking around C-Town with a 'security detail'.  The whole idea of an NFL player having a security detail is kind of silly to me.

 

Not if you can get hurt in a fight wrecking your ability to play and make money.  He's also a celebrity well beyond his achievements on the field, and personally controversial. 

 

As I said:  Steffi Graff.  She was stabbed by a crazed "fan". 

What makes you think he has a security detail?  I know his parents had some people follow every now and again while he was at A&M, but I haven't heard anything about him walking around C-Town with a 'security detail'.  The whole idea of an NFL player having a security detail is kind of silly to me.

 

Not if you can get hurt in a fight wrecking your ability to play and make money.  He's also a celebrity well beyond his achievements on the field, and personally controversial. 

 

As I said:  Steffi Graff.  She was stabbed by a crazed "fan". 

 

And remember what happened to Kenny Rogers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpKV2El2604#t=1063

http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/browns/report-accuses-johnny-manziels-entourage-of-assaulting-man-at-the-9

 

"Kirk stated Gonos “attempted to assault his client and he defended him,” according to the report."

What makes you think he has a security detail?  I know his parents had some people follow every now and again while he was at A&M, but I haven't heard anything about him walking around C-Town with a 'security detail'.  The whole idea of an NFL player having a security detail is kind of silly to me.

 

Dude, he's in the NFL but he's not really a big guy.  Like 6 foot, 200 lbs?

http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/browns/report-accuses-johnny-manziels-entourage-of-assaulting-man-at-the-9

 

"Kirk stated Gonos “attempted to assault his client and he defended him,” according to the report."

 

Dana Kirk is an attorney in Kerrsville Texas

 

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Dana+Kirk+Kerrsville+Texas

 

Maybe the Dana Kirk is his son, but even if that is the case, I would bet he is simply one of Johnny's college pals who now works 'security' as part of his 'entourage'

As I said:  Steffi Graff.  She was stabbed by a crazed "fan".  [/color]

 

I think you mean Monica Seles. Those foreign tennis stars all look alike.

Some guy on the Browns reddit page just found this:

 

 

If you scroll down, you'll see a poster named Chris Gonos talking smack about Manziel on facebook back in June... Makes his "I love you can I get a hug" story highly suspect.

 

EDIT: More dirt being dug up on this guy - http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article/dollars-diannas-deli/4780616

What's next for West Blvd/Cudell? This neighborhood has had two high profile negative national news stories in about a year's time frame. The gay bashing that occurred last summer put the neighborhood in a bad national light when a group of youth beat a man and it took 3 calls for the police to arrive and now this weekend's police shooting once again put a negative spotlight on the neighborhood.

 

There are a lot of underlying issues here regarding crime that need to be resolved, and unfortunately that just doesn't happen over night.

 

 

 

What's next for West Blvd/Cudell? This neighborhood has had two high profile negative national news stories in about a year's time frame. The gay bashing that occurred last summer put the neighborhood in a bad national light when a group of youth beat a man and it took 3 calls for the police to arrive and now this weekend's police shooting once again put a negative spotlight on the neighborhood.

 

There are a lot of underlying issues here regarding crime that need to be resolved, and unfortunately that just doesn't happen over night.

 

 

 

 

I had been wondering if the gay bashing was related to the Heartless Felons roundup of a couple weeks ago.

 

Ask Donna Brady what the city plans to do about crime?

 

I'm not quite sure what you are asking here.

 

 

 

 

What's next is we keep pushing the development in Detroit Shoreway closer and closer. I hate to say it, but the current residents (not all but enough) have proven that they cannot responsibly care for the place. Time to kick em out and replace them with responsible citizens. Detroit Shoreway is quickly filling up. It's only a matter of time before the re-development crosses the railroad tracks to Cudell

There's some kind of protest around Public Square. People are standing across Superior blocking traffic and there are cops everywhere.

2 seconds is not a lot of time to put any gun down.

2 seconds is not a lot of time to put any gun down.

 

and you know this how? ( 2 seconds)

^CPD released the video.

Before seeing the video, I was leaning towards thinking the police were in the right. After all, if I'm in a public place and somebody (regardless of age) is waving around what looks like a real gun, I'm running away and calling the police with the hope that they get the situation under control. If that means that a strong show of force is needed against an insubordinate suspect, I'm okay with that. However, after seeing the video, it's hard to see things clearly, but I'm no longer certain that the police behaved appropriately.

More kids with guns in Cudell, this time across the street, and now with robbery.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/four_juveniles_in_custody_in_c.html#incart_river

The cops failed by driving up onto the grass right to the suspect. That can't be protocol, but I'm no cop. Cop cars have loud speakers to shout orders and if they gave 50-100 feet they could have had so much more time to handle the situation. It sounds like Cleveland Police leadership feels the same way as they r doing everything in their power to minimize the outcry. I give them credit for the transparency and staring this awful situation in the eye and addressing.

If you don't know, why say it?

 

Do you think talking on a loudspeaker to a suspect with a gun, is wise? 

you think pulling up next to a man with a gun and having to get out of the car while he could shoot at you from two feet is wise?

I think they are professionals and they are expected to handle it the right way, driving up next to the suspect leaves alt of questions to be answered. Just ask Chief Williams, who when asked why the cop drive up on the grass responded " I dont know why they did that"... That says a lot.

I think part of the explanation for the proximity of their approach was that the suspect was originally under the pagoda and started walking closer as they rolled up

I just read that the rookie cop who did the shooting did his police academy and a short stint with the Independence PD.  This could explain a lot as I believe the chief there is gung ho and mainly hires ex-Marines. 

 

Still no excuse for a lapse in training....

Has anyone said there was a lapse in training?

Has anyone said there was a lapse in training?

 

There have been lots of questions surrounding a lapse in training.  For instance, from 3 posts above: 

 

Just ask Chief Williams, who when asked why the cop drive up on the grass responded " I dont know why they did that"... That says a lot.

 

 

 

Has anyone said there was a lapse in training?

 

There have been lots of questions surrounding a lapse in training.  For instance, from 3 posts above: 

 

Just ask Chief Williams, who when asked why the cop drive up on the grass responded " I dont know why they did that"... That says a lot.

 

Without hearing the actual response, I can't tell what he meant by that.  Simply hearing the words, doesn't mean he thought it was wrong, just that he didn't know why they did that.  Maybe they decided they needed to ride right up to the situation.

 

 

 

What is the procedure?

I haven't heard of any lapse in training either. he's only considered a 'rookie' because he transferred to the city, and they require you to re-do some of your training. He'd been a working police officer for several years from what I have read. it's not like he just got out of the academy last week.

Who are the worst criminals in Cleveland? Those who assassinate characters for profit...

 

Cleveland.com's journalistc fail: Judging Tamir Rice by his parents' past

http://alldigitocracy.org/cleveland-coms-journalistic-fail-judging-tamir-rice-by-his-parents-past/

I have a lot of feels on this whole thing. And white-hetero-cis-capitalist-patriarchy (ANGRY NOUN MASHUPS, YEAH!) in general.

 

Anyway, that NEOMG article was just AWFUL. Like, how does that make it past ANY editor? Uuuugghhhh.

Thats Twlight ZOne material there.

 

I see the kids family life as being relevant to the story.

 

 

 

 

 

There's good cops and bad cops. But the problem is the bad cops are being protected/going unpunished.....

 

Here's How Cleveland Police Handled a BB Gun Incident in May

Spoiler: It Ended Very Differently Than In Tamir Rice's Case

Posted By Eric Sandy on Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:11 PM

 

On May 21 of this year, Patrolman Aaron Reese responded to reports of a man pointing a rifle at cars on Superior Avenue near 86th Street, according to a news story published today. When he arrived and apprehended the suspect, he realized he was dealing with a child and that the weapon was just a BB gun.

 

Fox 8 ran this story today, reminding their audience of an incident that began with a response resembling the Nov. 22 call about 12-year-old Tamir Rice waving a gun around at Cudell Rec Center. The latter ended in tragedy; the former ended differently.

 

MORE:

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/11/28/heres-how-cleveland-police-handled-a-bb-gun-incident-in-may

Cops are now suing the city, even after they killed two people that had no weapon. wow

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/us/cleveland-police-lawsuit/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Cops are now suing the city, even after they killed two people that had no weapon. wow

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/30/us/cleveland-police-lawsuit/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

The car was a weapon. 

 

And discrimination cuts both ways. 

from The Guardian: White police officers involved in black couple's death sue Cleveland for racial discrimination http://t.co/nxV6FRFliF

Cleveland police: Officer Loehmann’s file from Independence police not reviewed before hiring

POSTED 12:01 PM, DECEMBER 3, 2014, BY DARCIE LORENO, PEGGY GALLEK AND KARA SUTYAK, UPDATED AT 06:16PM, DECEMBER 3, 2014

 

...The City of Independence released Loehmann’s file today.

 

Loehmann resigned from Independence Police Department, but his personnel file shows he turned in that resignation after being told the department was beginning a disciplinary process for his separation from the force.

 

The file states Loehmann, who was hired in Independence in July of 2012, became distracted and weepy during a state range qualification course, he could not communicate clear thoughts and his handgun performance was dismal.

 

In a letter in his personnel file, a deputy chief states that he did not believe Loehmann showed the maturity to work at their department. The letter stressed his “dangerous loss of composure during live range training and his inability to manage personal stress.”

 

MORE:

http://fox8.com/2014/12/03/independence-police-officer-in-tamir-rice-shooting-lacked-maturity-to-work-on-force/

just goes to show you that anyone with a pulse is qualified to be a cleveland cop.

^The hiring process is flawed, as I said above.  The job pool is effectively limited to City residents and military veterans.  Much more qualified candidates, as demonstrated on competitive civil service examinations minus the bonus points which residency and veteran status get you, are not even considered.  On the last Firefighter exam, which is scored essentially the same as the police exam, the only guy who got a 100% on the test itself, was ranked in the 300's when all the bonus points were factored and was never considered for employment because his ranking was too far down the list of candidates who were certified to the appointing authority.

^Interesting and disturbing to hear how the city is apparently working around the lack of a formal residency requirement.

Justice Department finds Cleveland police uses excessive force

 

From NPR:

 

After a long investigation, the Department of Justice has found that the Cleveland Police Department has "engaged in a pattern and practice of using excessive force," because of inadequate training and a lack of accountability, Attorney General Eric Holder said on Thursday.

 

In a press conference in Cleveland, Holder added that the city and the federal government had reached some understanding on ways they could curb the deficiencies.

I was wondering when we were going to talk about the press conference. I can't believe what a big, black eye we just got. It's embarrassing. I hope this means there will really be change happening going forward.

I was wondering when we were going to talk about the press conference. I can't believe what a big, black eye we just got. It's embarrassing. I hope this means there will really be change happening going forward.

 

It's Holder.  He has very little credibility on this issue.  Or any other, for that matter.

 

The "report" bears this out.  A hodgepodge of politically correct doublespeak, laden with racial allusions.  But not even the most oblique reference to the Ficker case.

^Interesting and disturbing to hear how the city is apparently working around the lack of a formal residency requirement.

 

It's complicated.  Once hired, the City has no means to force the employee to maintain his/her residency.  All the application calls for is proof of bona fide residency in the City for the one year leading up to submission of the application, which happens usually months before the actual exam and sometimes a year or more before the actual hiring.  The applicant can move out of the City one day after submitting his/her application and still get the 10 points.  On the other hand, an applicant can be living within the City for 8 months prior with full intent to stay and not get the points.  Further, an applicant could have lived in the City for 20 years prior to application but if he/she moved out of the City within the year prior to application, no points.  It's arbitrary.  Exactly why the latest charter provision attempting to do the same thing on promotional exams was ruled unconstitutional and in violation of the statutory prohibition on residency requirements.  I do not believe that anyone has ever challenged the legality of the residency points on entrance exams.

I was wondering when we were going to talk about the press conference. I can't believe what a big, black eye we just got. It's embarrassing. I hope this means there will really be change happening going forward.

 

If you guys get reforms without riots, consider it a good black eye (as far as black eyes go). This will be overshadowed by Ferguson and NYC. Hopefully this puts Cleveland ahead of the curve, as I don't believe this problem is confined to one, three, or just a handful of cities.

I was wondering when we were going to talk about the press conference. I can't believe what a big, black eye we just got. It's embarrassing. I hope this means there will really be change happening going forward.

 

It's Holder.  He has very little credibility on this issue.  Or any other, for that matter.

 

The "report" bears this out.  A hodgepodge of politically correct doublespeak, laden with racial allusions.  But not even the most oblique reference to the Ficker case.

 

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

It's Holder.  He has very little credibility on this issue.  Or any other, for that matter.

 

The "report" bears this out.  A hodgepodge of politically correct doublespeak, laden with racial allusions.  But not even the most oblique reference to the Ficker case.

 

I'm honestly wondering if you read the right report.

 

For those who are interested, here's a link to a PDF of a scan of the report that was provided in a Cleveland.com article: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1375209/u-s-department-of-justices-investigation-into.pdf (really, DOJ/Cleveland.com, an optical scan?)

 

It's pretty dry legal stuff, citing current law (usually Circuit Court or SCOTUS rulings) or best practices and examples how the department's policies or specific incidents of conduct violated them.

I'm honestly wondering if you read the right report.

 

He read the one distributed by Fox News (and thus probably written by them, too!).

 

But seriously, the same thing happened with New Orleans police which was put under the oversight of a federal consent decree and ultimately resulted in lots of resignations and firings.

 

Didn't Kasich (via DeWine) essentially reach the same conclusion last year?

^Yes, and the DOJ report refers back to it.

Didn't Kasich (via DeWine) essentially reach the same conclusion last year?

 

Everyone knows they are just puppets of Eric Holder. /s

 

E Rocc should probably turn in his "libertarian" card at this juncture.