September 30, 20159 yr Not the least bit shocking. Dealers do walk around like that. They probably also stole drugs, but he didn't tell the police that. He won't cooperate because he intends to deal with it himself.
September 30, 20159 yr What's funny is the rappers who these guys idolize (or perhaps, that's reversed) often have to have their labels RENT them all the jewelry shown in videos...because they just can't afford it.... :mrgreen:
September 30, 20159 yr What's funny is the rappers who these guys idolize (or perhaps, that's reversed) often have to have their labels RENT them all the jewelry shown in videos...because they just can't afford it.... :mrgreen: Probably reversed. The dealers actually own that stuff, though on the other hand of all the ones I've known, only two stepped away clean legally and only one chemically. (Both married professional women who had no use or time for that stuff, and both ended up running equipment intensive businesses where they could set up with cash-bought gear.) The labels probably buy or rent the stuff (from their friends) and charge it off against sales. It's incredible the way the middlemen screw over the performers. No wonder they hate the 'net so much.
September 30, 20159 yr Not the least bit shocking. Dealers do walk around like that. They probably also stole drugs, but he didn't tell the police that. He won't cooperate because he intends to deal with it himself. You're the resident expert on gangs, gangbangers, and gangbangin', but I still have some very serious doubts that this guy is being truthful. I don't doubt he got robbed. But I don't take at their word, without verification, those who "don't snitch." All we know for sure is that he told the police over 100 shots were fired and the police could not find any evidence whatsoever of one shot being fired. We also know that this story is the best kind of click-bait for NEOMG.
September 30, 20159 yr Not the least bit shocking. Dealers do walk around like that. They probably also stole drugs, but he didn't tell the police that. He won't cooperate because he intends to deal with it himself. You're the resident expert on gangs, gangbangers, and gangbangin', but I still have some very serious doubts that this guy is being truthful. I don't doubt he got robbed. But I don't take at their word, without verification, those who "don't snitch." All we know for sure is that he told the police over 100 shots were fired and the police could not find any evidence whatsoever of one shot being fired. We also know that this story is the best kind of click-bait for NEOMG. He's maintaining his street credibility, the fact that he got robbed without any shots getting fired would give it a big hit. Of course he's not being truthful. I'm somewhat surprised he reported it at all. If the kids who robbed him are smart they would go right to the police, but they have already proven they are not.
September 30, 20159 yr Putting aside and not agreeing with your assumptions, it is possible he didn't report it to the police. Sometimes the hospital reports injuries like he had and the police show up to question the victim. It is weird that he provided all those details but refused to 'snitch', which plays more into my theory. Although most don't realize it, many homeowners insurance policies cover losses caused by theft or robbery outside of the home. Separate from that, gambling addicts who lose their 'nest egg' at the casino or to a bookie often concoct elaborate lies on what happened to the money and valuables to provide a cover up to their family members, such as a wife who has told him that she will leave the next time he gambles away their rent and grocery money. your theory is certainly plausible. I just wouldn't say that the facts are conclusive. By the way, if I read the story correctly, the shots he reported to the police were allegedly fired after he was robbed.
September 30, 20159 yr Putting aside and not agreeing with your assumptions, it is possible he didn't report it to the police. Sometimes the hospital reports injuries like he had and the police show up to question the victim. It is weird that he provided all those details but refused to 'snitch', which plays more into my theory. Although most don't realize it, many homeowners insurance policies cover losses caused by theft or robbery outside of the home. Separate from that, gambling addicts who lose their 'nest egg' at the casino or to a bookie often concoct elaborate lies on what happened to the money and valuables to provide a cover up to their family members, such as a wife who has told him that she will leave the next time he gambles away their rent and grocery money. your theory is certainly plausible. I just wouldn't say that the facts are conclusive. By the way, if I read the story correctly, the shots he reported to the police were allegedly fired after he was robbed. Good point about the hospital calling the police. Not "snitching" plays into both of our theories. Their claiming HF adds a different twist. If he's a member himself, either of HF or a different gang at peace with them, he'll be talking to some people. Those kids could be in a lot of trouble with their internal structure if they are indeed HF. If they are falsely claiming affiliation....it was a profoundly stupid and potentially fatal thing to do.
September 30, 20159 yr Putting aside and not agreeing with your assumptions, it is possible he didn't report it to the police. Sometimes the hospital reports injuries like he had and the police show up to question the victim. It is weird that he provided all those details but refused to 'snitch', which plays more into my theory. Although most don't realize it, many homeowners insurance policies cover losses caused by theft or robbery outside of the home. Separate from that, gambling addicts who lose their 'nest egg' at the casino or to a bookie often concoct elaborate lies on what happened to the money and valuables to provide a cover up to their family members, such as a wife who has told him that she will leave the next time he gambles away their rent and grocery money. your theory is certainly plausible. I just wouldn't say that the facts are conclusive. By the way, if I read the story correctly, the shots he reported to the police were allegedly fired after he was robbed. Good point about the hospital calling the police. Not "snitching" plays into both of our theories. Their claiming HF adds a different twist. If he's a member himself, either of HF or a different gang at peace with them, he'll be talking to some people. Those kids could be in a lot of trouble with their internal structure if they are indeed HF. If they are falsely claiming affiliation....it was a profoundly stupid and potentially fatal thing to do. They seemd a little eager to mention HF (at least in the guys story), so if that part of it was true, Im thinking they are wanna-be's
September 30, 20159 yr Putting aside and not agreeing with your assumptions, it is possible he didn't report it to the police. Sometimes the hospital reports injuries like he had and the police show up to question the victim. It is weird that he provided all those details but refused to 'snitch', which plays more into my theory. Although most don't realize it, many homeowners insurance policies cover losses caused by theft or robbery outside of the home. Separate from that, gambling addicts who lose their 'nest egg' at the casino or to a bookie often concoct elaborate lies on what happened to the money and valuables to provide a cover up to their family members, such as a wife who has told him that she will leave the next time he gambles away their rent and grocery money. your theory is certainly plausible. I just wouldn't say that the facts are conclusive. By the way, if I read the story correctly, the shots he reported to the police were allegedly fired after he was robbed. Good point about the hospital calling the police. Not "snitching" plays into both of our theories. Their claiming HF adds a different twist. If he's a member himself, either of HF or a different gang at peace with them, he'll be talking to some people. Those kids could be in a lot of trouble with their internal structure if they are indeed HF. If they are falsely claiming affiliation....it was a profoundly stupid and potentially fatal thing to do. They seemd a little eager to mention HF (at least in the guys story), so if that part of it was true, Im thinking they are wanna-be's Exactly, and most if not all gangs will quite literally kill those who falsely claim affiliation. On the other hand, this could be how the victim is setting up his revenge.
October 1, 20159 yr Go CPD! Two men arrested after nearly a dozen robberies in #Cleveland's West Park neighborhood. May be responsible for more. @WEWS "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 1, 20159 yr One of Cleveland's deadliest years in a decade: http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2015/09/rising_homicides_unplowed_runw.html 20 homicides in one month! Cleveland needs to get its act together.
October 1, 20159 yr One of Cleveland's deadliest years in a decade: http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2015/09/rising_homicides_unplowed_runw.html 20 homicides in one month! Cleveland needs to get its act together. I don't mean to pick on you. I'm always amazed when I hear statements like "Cleveland needs to get its act together" as if Cleveland is a monolithic entity that, in its entirety is even remotely capable of "getting its act together" or whatever that means. cities are loose collections of millions of people all doing different things. Within cities are people doing amazing things, people sitting on the couch doing nothing, and people blowing each others heads off. No city in a free society is an exception to that.
October 1, 20159 yr One of Cleveland's deadliest years in a decade: http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2015/09/rising_homicides_unplowed_runw.html 20 homicides in one month! Cleveland needs to get its act together. I don't mean to pick on you. I'm always amazed when I hear statements like "Cleveland needs to get its act together" as if Cleveland is a monolithic entity that, in its entirety is even remotely capable of "getting its act together" or whatever that means. cities are loose collections of millions of people all doing different things. Within cities are people doing amazing things, people sitting on the couch doing nothing, and people blowing each others heads off. No city in a free society is an exception to that. No, you're right. Everything is just fine in Cleveland.
October 1, 20159 yr One of Cleveland's deadliest years in a decade: http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2015/09/rising_homicides_unplowed_runw.html 20 homicides in one month! Cleveland needs to get its act together. I don't mean to pick on you. I'm always amazed when I hear statements like "Cleveland needs to get its act together" as if Cleveland is a monolithic entity that, in its entirety is even remotely capable of "getting its act together" or whatever that means. cities are loose collections of millions of people all doing different things. Within cities are people doing amazing things, people sitting on the couch doing nothing, and people blowing each others heads off. No city in a free society is an exception to that. This is a great post. In many ways, Cleveland has gotten its act together tremendously. The Crime rate, while it will be increased this year doesn't tell a different story of the city. It has been a violent city for a very long time. You should go tell the people killing each other to "get their act together". These rest of us very much have our act together.
October 1, 20159 yr Go CPD! Two men arrested after nearly a dozen robberies in #Cleveland's West Park neighborhood. May be responsible for more. @WEWS Yeah not the neighborhood you want to go breaking into houses....every other one is a cop or a cop's neighbor!
October 1, 20159 yr Go CPD! Two men arrested after nearly a dozen robberies in #Cleveland's West Park neighborhood. May be responsible for more. @WEWS Yeah not the neighborhood you want to go breaking into houses....every other one is a cop or a cop's neighbor! Yeah that's not really true anymore. There are a ton of section 8 and regular rentals in west park
October 1, 20159 yr One of Cleveland's deadliest years in a decade: http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2015/09/rising_homicides_unplowed_runw.html 20 homicides in one month! Cleveland needs to get its act together. I don't mean to pick on you. I'm always amazed when I hear statements like "Cleveland needs to get its act together" as if Cleveland is a monolithic entity that, in its entirety is even remotely capable of "getting its act together" or whatever that means. cities are loose collections of millions of people all doing different things. Within cities are people doing amazing things, people sitting on the couch doing nothing, and people blowing each others heads off. No city in a free society is an exception to that. This is a great post. In many ways, Cleveland has gotten its act together tremendously. The Crime rate, while it will be increased this year doesn't tell a different story of the city. It has been a violent city for a very long time. You should go tell the people killing each other to "get their act together". These rest of us very much have our act together. I don't see anything wrong with calling out a community, particularly its elected leaders, for problems that arise within. Or problems that persist. It isn't enough for people to say "not me!" Part of being a member of a community is accepting responsibility that extends beyond ourselves, and understanding that a neighbor's problems are to a certain extent our problems too. A lot of people in greater Cleveland would like to wash their hands of all the poverty, all the violence that's happening in the rougher parts of town. But if we all start accepting those problems as our own, I think they'll improve a lot faster. If that crap is happening right down the road from me, then yes, I'm one of the people who needs to get their act together.
October 1, 20159 yr Oye....fine, I'll play. The middle class white family in Westpark who's parents both work full time and have 3 kids and play by all the rules of society. They are Cleveland aren't they? The upper middle class black family in Beachwood who have 2 kids and who's parents raise them with impeccable morals and duties. They're Cleveland too. The struggling single mother in Warrensville who is sucessfully raising her son to avoid the bad path his father took. She's Cleveland. The 70 year old retired couple in Lakewood who are peacefully living out their last couple decades after 50 years of work - he was an engineer and she was an elementary school teacher. They're about as Cleveland as they come. The folks I just mentioned are Cleveland as much as the gangsters in Hough. But you have bravely "called them out" and demanded they accept the region's crime as problems of their own. Now please, tell me what you would say to them so that they will buck up and take their fair share of responsibility. Tell them what exactly they need to do, how much of their time and money it will take to stop the gangs in Glenville from bangin' it out every night. Time to show these slackers how to "get their act together."
October 1, 20159 yr Yes, we all bear responsibility... you, me, those hypotheticals, everyone... or it isn't a community at all. Instead it's walls and borders, segregation and inequality, a collage of anti-social attitudes that invariably result in a violent underclass, throughout history and throughout the world. I'm not telling anyone what to do, other than to care, to accept some shared responsibility for the existence of the ghetto. I believe that's a threshold issue to finding any long term solution. The ghetto can no longer be someone else's tragedy to bear.
October 1, 20159 yr I'm not telling anyone what to do, other than to care, to accept some shared responsibility for the existence of the ghetto. I believe that's a threshold issue to finding any long term solution. The ghetto can no longer be someone else's tragedy to bear. But what does "accept some shared responsibility" and "the ghetto can no longer be some else's tragedy to bear" mean in practice? Are you looking for people to swear to a formal apology (for what?), pay reparations, self-flagellate, move to the ghetto? Until you can actually articulate what those vacuous statements mean in action of which we can then debate the merits and practicality, they will remain.....meaningless self-righteous non-statements.
October 1, 20159 yr The "upscale, VIP, exclusive" experience strikes again! Shut down The Bank, and another sh-thole will open up to draw in the trash within a few months, and be shut down within a year for the same thing. "Xclusive". In a way, it's a backhanded compliment to downtown's recent success, that these sorts of places aren't moving into cheaper quarters further out. And yes, full pat down security only means they leave their weapons in their cars. The "urban" clientele can be lucrative for clubs as long as they know it's a short term deal. To call them "problem customers" is an understatement. Unfortunately, in a case like this downtown faces the same issues as changing suburbs: how do you keep the problems out with being perceived as up to something else? Any information as to whether The Bank nightclub can/will be shut down? I'm sure Cimperman is being pressured by businesses/residents in the vicinity. My friends in other parts of downtown and I are talking about avoiding that area past 11pm on weekends as long as that club is open.
October 1, 20159 yr ^okkkk, so then next question. What do you do to get your act together? We each decide that for ourselves. Depends on where you are, what you can offer. I provide free and discounted legal services to the poor. Later this month I'm taking unpaid days off and doing a whole trial for free. Trust me, I need that pay. But I'm not the only one who needs things. Again the threshold issue, for each of us individually, is deciding that it is our problem and we do need to help. Where you go from there is up to you.
October 1, 20159 yr OK, so for example, the neighborhood live in, we have a very tight community. Exceptional. When I moved here four years ago, there was a lot of petty but annoying crime. Frustrating, would deter people from moving here. We focused on quality of life issues. We came together, engaged people of different races, colors, ethnicities, socioeconomic levels, etc. and crime is gone essentially. We clean up litter, trash, green space, make it usable. Get grant money and do project that beautify our neighborhood that would never get complete without my and my neighbors proactivity. Its truly an exceptional subsection of an even cooler neighborhood. Quality of life is extremely high and higher than 4 years ago. That being said, the neighborhood less than a mile from our house has drive by shootings, drug activity, violence. Is it your expectation that my neighbors and I just pick up the show, take it over to the next neighborhood and try to elevate and inspire people to give themselves a better life? There is still plenty of work in our area to be done, but there are real problems in a different are not far away. Im interested to hear your solutions. Ive almost taken on volunteer work in our neighborhood as a second full-time job, as have many others. We have seen progress, but for starters,our neighborhood has engaged people. There are parts of the city where frankly I really don't know what the heck I can do to help. Large amounts of peoples days revolve around drug use and drug income, and the violence that comes with it.
October 1, 20159 yr Volunteering your time is the most effective impact most of us can have. If you are a professional, perhaps your services are needed but can't be afforded at normal rates. Recognizing that a lot of the current criminals are beyond reach, it is most effective in my opinion to try to change the future for the youth. Volunteer to coach a youth sports team, or to be a 'big brother', or something like that. Be a role model and show these kids there are other paths than what they see glorified in the streets. Keep things local. Keep your money local. Keep your volunteer time local. Most importantly, have hope and express hope. For a lot of these kids, that is exactly what is lacking.
October 1, 20159 yr So there appear to be 2 distinct yet often muddled concepts here. First, there is an affirmative general duty to do good unto society. This can fulfilled by volunteering and giving back your community as 327, Hts121, and BelievelandD1 provided examples of. This is commendable. I would guess that 99.99% of society agrees this is a good thing and people should be encouraged to do this. But the second concept that gave rise to this initial discussion is the false charge of generalized guilt. This conversation started by people claiming that "Cleveland (us) needs to get its act together," that we must "accept shared responsibility," that this is an issue that requires us to be "called out," because we are "washing our hands" of "our tragedy." That language of the statements above cannot be interpreted any other way but to imply "we" (undefined) not only owe a general duty to do good but "we" are responsible/culpable for the existence of the bad itself. But this is a false charge. "We" as individuals did not create or will the bad. If I or anyone else on this board is responsible for the creation of the ghetto and violence within - I would like someone to level the charge. In short, the general duty to do good (volunteer, etc.) is a very distinct concept from "accepting responsibility" for the existence of the ghetto and societal dysfunction. The former encourages one to do good where he may and the latter is flimsy accusation of an affirmative harm. The former is a necessary element of a healthy society while the latter is a naked moral power play.
October 1, 20159 yr Cleveland 19 News @cleveland19news 19h19 hours ago .@CleCityCouncil committee unanimously approves adding 3 horses to city's Mounted Police unit. http://shout.lt/bdXVP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 1, 20159 yr Things are so bad that LeBron is even commenting on it: @KingJames 41 seconds ago Like seriously man!!!! A baby shot in the chest in Cleveland. It's been out of control but it's really OOC. Ya'll need to chill the F out.
October 2, 20159 yr Just sickening... LIVE VIDEO UPDATE: 6-month-old baby dies after being shot in chest on Cleveland's east side http://t.co/g4ozmxyYhb via @fox8news "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 2, 20159 yr Is there any sort of map showing where criminals live, not where crimes are committed? I would be curious to see what sort of distribution all the murderers make on a map of greater Cleveland.
October 2, 20159 yr Is there any sort of map showing where criminals live, not where crimes are committed? I would be curious to see what sort of distribution all the murderers make on a map of greater Cleveland. All seriousness, no, there's not a map of that at the moment, but I could help you with the tech. The biggest hurdle would be finding the address of the perp at time of the crime. People's addresses and living situations are generally more transient than you'd expect, particularly the poor and recently incarcerated.
October 2, 20159 yr Hey data points-- settle down already, you're causing us difficulty. Do you have any idea how much paperwork your rodent-like existence is creating?
October 3, 20159 yr Crazy... "@ScottTaylor19: I have seen these types of post for a week. Police are aware of the posts & have not sounded any alarm 2 me. https://t.co/qbmetBDO3a" "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 3, 20159 yr ^heard the same thing about the protests. Coming to kill cops and trash Ohio city, Tremont and downtown. Never happened. There are some paranoid sensationalists out there in my opinion. I don't quite know how that would go, a bunch of gang members just clean up their act for a few hours and hop on a commercial jet from LAX to CLe?
October 6, 20159 yr Bad things happening everywhere... Monday night's fatal shooting is Indy's 3rd in less than 24 hrs, bumping murder total to 106 http://t.co/pQtzEFWiRp "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 20159 yr Bad things happening everywhere... Monday night's fatal shooting is Indy's 3rd in less than 24 hrs, bumping murder total to 106 http://t.co/pQtzEFWiRp Cleveland hit 100 last night.
October 6, 20159 yr I honestly can not think of any other reason for this increase in gun violence other than putting more guns on the street.
October 6, 20159 yr I honestly can not think of any other reason for this increase in gun violence other than putting more guns on the street. The guns may be making the indiscriminate use of violence easier to carry out. But there's a bigger causative factor here for the perpertrators. Every U.S. city is facing a huge increase in heroin trafficking, usage, thefts to pay for addiction, overdoses and wars among urban gangs to control the heroin trade. A friend of mine is a police officer in exuburban Cincinnati and says the heroin-related crimes I just noted in the suburbs and city have risen exponentially. Follow the Cincinnati crime thread here too and you'll see many murders there as well. This is NATIONWIDE. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 6, 20159 yr I have a buddy with a legit bad back...like 6 blown disks and 3 surgeries to date. he is 4 inches shorter than he used to be. He is on a pretty regular regime of narcotics. It has become an absolute nightmare for him to get and fill scrips. No re-fills, no mail order, a dr visit every time, has to take a drug test to prove he is taking them. You can thank the increase in street heroin to the absolute shutting down of Dr's writing scrips for pain meds et al and pharmacies having to monitor and report any/all scrips. To almost everyone for everything. Including sleeping pills, valium, xanax...etc. This is one of those unintended consequences. And a huge reason for it blowing up in the burbs.... your family doc or dentist used to give you what you needed/wanted. Now they can go to jail, so you turn to the street. The poor folk without health care never had that option and just always went for the H it was cheaper anyway. This is going to get far worse before it gets better.
October 6, 20159 yr I found the reporting on the original bill. It has been in the last year or so where they got the DB's up and running and the enforcement has been kicking in. http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2011/05/battle_against_prescription_dr.html
October 6, 20159 yr I have a buddy with a legit bad back...like 6 blown disks and 3 surgeries to date. he is 4 inches shorter than he used to be. He is on a pretty regular regime of narcotics. It has become an absolute nightmare for him to get and fill scrips. No re-fills, no mail order, a dr visit every time, has to take a drug test to prove he is taking them. You can thank the increase in street heroin to the absolute shutting down of Dr's writing scrips for pain meds et al and pharmacies having to monitor and report any/all scrips. To almost everyone for everything. Including sleeping pills, valium, xanax...etc. This is one of those unintended consequences. And a huge reason for it blowing up in the burbs.... your family doc or dentist used to give you what you needed/wanted. Now they can go to jail, so you turn to the street. The poor folk without health care never had that option and just always went for the H it was cheaper anyway. This is going to get far worse before it gets better. Oh A-bleeping-men to this. The Drug Warriors have gotten ridiculous in their efforts to limit even legitimate medical uses of drugs that "might" be abused. The impact is pain is severely undermedicated. And no, pain does not "build character". In fact, it inhibits recovery. For their own empire building reasons they are impacting medicine just as strongly as the right fears "Obamacare" might. And just try finding a suboxone or similar program that isn't laden with a bunch of "group meetings". Which of course are a great way for addicts to meet other addicts. So of course people find other alternatives. Which have unpredictable results.
October 6, 20159 yr This will also make the "medical" marijuana market explode. I think people will be shocked and how much support that gets. Much like the casino(s) I am not happy about writing a monopoly into the constitution. But I feel the people will take this only path around our neanderthal legislature.
October 6, 20159 yr A friend of mine recently died from "alternatives" after his prescriptions were cut off. And I've had defense clients who ask for jail time over rehab/probation, because jail time will get them back to heroin quicker. To the extent that the drug trade fuels gang wars, it is insane to continue with prohibition. Just hand out some heroin and be done with it. But I think there will still be gang violence so long as there is concentrated poverty. Drugs are only a small factor in that.
October 6, 20159 yr A friend of mine recently died from "alternatives" after his prescriptions were cut off. And I've had defense clients who ask for jail time over rehab/probation, because jail time will get them back to heroin quicker. To the extent that the drug trade fuels gang wars, it is insane to continue with prohibition. Just hand out some heroin and be done with it. But I think there will still be gang violence so long as there is concentrated poverty. Drugs are only a small factor in that. My ex girlfriend only quit when her best friend ODed and my current girlfriend (and daughter's mom) had very serious issues with anti-anxiety medications. But if the three alternatives are strictly enforced Prohibition, the current half-assed enforcement with maximum corruption opportunities, and decriminalization leading to legalization, the latter seems to have the fewest drawbacks. The current system only takes a lucrative market and drops it squarely in the lap of the most ruthless and unscrupulous people around, making them richer and more powerful. We've been there before....
October 6, 20159 yr I honestly can not think of any other reason for this increase in gun violence other than putting more guns on the street. The guns may be making the indiscriminate use of violence easier to carry out. But there's a bigger causative factor here for the perpertrators. Every U.S. city is facing a huge increase in heroin trafficking, usage, thefts to pay for addiction, overdoses and wars among urban gangs to control the heroin trade. A friend of mine is a police officer in exuburban Cincinnati and says the heroin-related crimes I just noted in the suburbs and city have risen exponentially. Follow the Cincinnati crime thread here too and you'll see many murders there as well. This is NATIONWIDE. Not to nit-pick, but Cincinnati is actually down 5 murders this year compared to last. We are sitting at 49 as of the end of September, though admittedly, overall shootings have been up this year. 49 in Cin compared to 100 in Cle and both cities are almost the exact same size in area, though Cle does have the larger population. Following the riots in '01, Cincy's murder rate spiked pretty badly, but for the past ~5 years or so, we've been averaging about 75 homicides a year.
October 7, 20159 yr Cleveland 19 News @cleveland19news 1m1 minute ago BREAKING NEWS: CPD officer indicted on sex charges http://shout.lt/bfn9z #cle19 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 8, 20159 yr "A felonious assault was reported at approximately 2:40 a.m. today at E24th Street and Chester Avenue. Approximately 20 shots were fired from a vehicle at the Langston Apartments. The vehicle is described as a light colored, possibly white or silver, newer model Chevy Malibu. The vehicle then entered the highway heading westbound on interstate 90. The bullets struck the side of the building and windows. No injuries are reported at this time. It is unknown how many suspects were in the vehicle. Cleveland State University Police and Cleveland Police are on scene investigating. No further information is available." Edit: WEWS story- http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/shooting-in-the-street-near-csu-campus-hits-an-apartment-building
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