Yeah this is right behind where I work. Not happy.

Prior to the Langston apartments being built, it would have just been a shootout around an abandoned parking lot at 240am and may have gone unreported. Unfortunately, E24th makes for a perfect and easy getaway spot. Hopefully there are cameras in that area now.

Prior to the Langston apartments being built, it would have just been a shootout around an abandoned parking lot at 240am and may have gone unreported. Unfortunately, E24th makes for a perfect and easy getaway spot. Hopefully there are cameras in that area now.

 

It would probably have been reported anyway for its proximity to Cleveland State.  Not good at all for those trying to make the campus more residential.

 

Aren't some  RNC staffers and support people supposed to stay at the CSU dorms during the convention?

Yeah this is right behind where I work. Not happy.

 

Obviously not rationalizing, but as long as you aren't out and about in the wee hours of the morning, you are safe. 

Yeah this is right behind where I work. Not happy.

 

Obviously not rationalizing, but as long as you aren't out and about in the wee hours of the morning, you are safe.

 

I don't want to live in a place in which I have to bunker down and not go outside after a certain time.

You can't really assume that, though. I mean, one would hope so. But I don't think there's a particular time slot of the day reserved for gang violence. It's only 5 hours before when I arrive at work. It just feels uncomfortable to me. I jog around this area, you know? Ugh. And the students must be freaking. I feel really bad for whomever lives in the Langston.

Not reported yet but there was a robbery at gun point yesterday right in Ohio City @ Carroll Ct. & W32nd... at 3:30 in the afternoon.  The perpetrator stole the woman's purse & car as soon as she parked.  This kind of crap is ridiculous - especially at that location in the middle of the afternoon!  The city needs to hire more policemen for foot patrols before we build any more stadiums, bridges to the rock halls, and any other large tax payer funded project that does not have a clear ROI to bring in more residents & density.  As much as I like those developments, they mean nothing if the residents are not protected. 

 

At the block club level, there also must be a concerted effort to increase densities in these neighborhoods - time for the block clubs to wake up and allow as much density as possible to increase safety. 

That's terrible.

I have zero confidence left in this administration to handle these issues

Not reported yet but there was a robbery at gun point yesterday right in Ohio City @ Carroll Ct. & W32nd... at 3:30 in the afternoon.  The perpetrator stole the woman's purse & car as soon as she parked.  This kind of crap is ridiculous - especially at that location in the middle of the afternoon!  The city needs to hire more policemen for foot patrols before we build any more stadiums, bridges to the rock halls, and any other large tax payer funded project that does not have a clear ROI to bring in more residents & density.  As much as I like those developments, they mean nothing if the residents are not protected. 

 

At the block club level, there also must be a concerted effort to increase densities in these neighborhoods - time for the block clubs to wake up and allow as much density as possible to increase safety. 

 

Despite all the positive things happening in town, Cleveland is increasingly growing an image of being out of control crime-wise  and this sh*t has got to stop... Zack Reed wants more cop boots on the ground in neighborhoods like Mt. Pleasant and has proposed Council increase police overtime to facilitate it.  While Zach's not the most popular kid on the block, he's right about this one imho.  But as we've seen in recent weeks -- this OC armed robbery plus the bike-mounted robbers in Tremont, murder at E. 4th, windows shot out at the Langston @ CSU, etc., etc -- this craziness is spilling over into Cleveland's jewel areas... not good.

Not reported yet but there was a robbery at gun point yesterday right in Ohio City @ Carroll Ct. & W32nd... at 3:30 in the afternoon.  The perpetrator stole the woman's purse & car as soon as she parked.  This kind of crap is ridiculous - especially at that location in the middle of the afternoon!  The city needs to hire more policemen for foot patrols before we build any more stadiums, bridges to the rock halls, and any other large tax payer funded project that does not have a clear ROI to bring in more residents & density.  As much as I like those developments, they mean nothing if the residents are not protected. 

 

At the block club level, there also must be a concerted effort to increase densities in these neighborhoods - time for the block clubs to wake up and allow as much density as possible to increase safety. 

 

Despite all the positive things happening in town, Cleveland is increasingly growing an image of being out of control crime-wise  and this sh*t has got to stop... Zack Reed wants more cop boots on the ground in neighborhoods like Mt. Pleasant and has proposed Council increase police overtime to facilitate it.  While Zach's not the most popular kid on the block, he's right about this one imho.  But as we've seen in recent weeks -- this OC armed robbery plus the bike-mounted robbers in Tremont, murder at E. 4th, windows shot out at the Langston @ CSU, etc., etc -- this craziness is spilling over into Cleveland's jewel areas... not good.

 

I have always wondered if Cleveland was unique in that it seems every "good" neighborhood borders a "bad" one. Anyhow, yesterday I realized  the 101st murder victim was an eccentric, funny old guy that I used to talk to at the Root Cafe in Lakewood. 

Another reason why over-investment in freeways is a bad thing for the city. In Tremont, those criminals were able to get away so quickly because of the easy freeway access. They just had to drive over from their neighborhood, get off at Tremont, rob the first vulnerable person they saw, and flee back to their neighborhood. Same goes for this incident that happened outside of the Langston. This is another consequence of Cleveland's absurdly overbuilt freeway infrastructure. Since ODOT loves building freeways here so much, they should take responsibility for the negative consequences and agree to make every inner-city free way entrances/exits 1) very well-lit; and 2) equipped with cameras.

Another reason why over-investment in freeways is a bad thing for the city. In Tremont, those criminals were able to get away so quickly because of the easy freeway access. They just had to drive over from their neighborhood, get off at Tremont, rob the first vulnerable person they saw, and flee back to their neighborhood. Same goes for this incident that happened outside of the Langston. This is another consequence of Cleveland's absurdly overbuilt freeway infrastructure. Since ODOT loves building freeways here so much, they should take responsibility for the negative consequences and agree to make every inner-city free way entrances/exits 1) very well-lit; and 2) equipped with cameras.

 

Whoa!  That went from 0 to Certifiably Insane, real quick.

 

The vast majority of crime in Cleveland exists on the east side - which has little to no freeway access.  Highways are not the problem here.

Yeah this is right behind where I work. Not happy.

 

Obviously not rationalizing, but as long as you aren't out and about in the wee hours of the morning, you are safe.

 

I don't want to live in a place in which I have to bunker down and not go outside after a certain time.

 

Each their own.  After the productivity I put in from 6 Am to 10 P every day, theres no way im anywhere other than sleeping at 2:40 AM, even on a weekend

"A felonious assault was reported at approximately 2:40 a.m. today at E24th Street and Chester Avenue. Approximately 20 shots were fired from a vehicle at the Langston Apartments. The vehicle is described as a light colored, possibly white or silver, newer model Chevy Malibu. The vehicle then entered the highway heading westbound on interstate 90. The bullets struck the side of the building and windows. No injuries are reported at this time. It is unknown how many suspects were in the vehicle. Cleveland State University Police and Cleveland Police are on scene investigating. No further information is available."

 

 

Edit: WEWS story-

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/shooting-in-the-street-near-csu-campus-hits-an-apartment-building

 

CSU and the PD have reported a story very different than the one presented by WEWS.  CSU and the PD has made it sound like a gunman just fired on the Langston Building as the target.  The WEWS story claimed that it was a shootout between 2 cars that incidentally hit the Langston.

 

Both situations are bad but they have some different implications.

I have zero confidence left in this administration to handle these issues

 

I think residents have plenty of reason to be upset.  With the past two decades of crime, the city should put every dollar and resource to safety.  100% aggressive focus on it.  Instead they are celebrating just about everything else and putting a ton towards marketing to outsiders, which is great and all...but not sustainable in the long run if people are getting guns pointed in their face

It does amaze one how quickly and easily the city coud draw up revenue (straight from the taxpayer's pocket) for unnecessary shit like stadium renovations and not a penny for vastly increased foot patrols and other security measures.

Another reason why over-investment in freeways is a bad thing for the city. In Tremont, those criminals were able to get away so quickly because of the easy freeway access. They just had to drive over from their neighborhood, get off at Tremont, rob the first vulnerable person they saw, and flee back to their neighborhood. Same goes for this incident that happened outside of the Langston. This is another consequence of Cleveland's absurdly overbuilt freeway infrastructure. Since ODOT loves building freeways here so much, they should take responsibility for the negative consequences and agree to make every inner-city free way entrances/exits 1) very well-lit; and 2) equipped with cameras.

 

Whoa!  That went from 0 to Certifiably Insane, real quick.

 

The vast majority of crime in Cleveland exists on the east side - which has little to no freeway access.  Highways are not the problem here.

 

Lol pay attention. I never said that freeways are THE problem, just that this is another example of a negative consequence of overbuilding freeway infrastructure. Obviously the worst rate of violent crime is on the east side of Cleveland, but that's not what I was specifically talking about here. clvlndr was referring to the crimes spilling over into the "jewel areas" and I was simply stating a contributing factor to that, and why it's so easy for many of these criminals to get away.

^ I'm a little more nihilistic about the City's role in stopping this kind of stuff.  Random and gang related crime is actually really east to get away with.  Even cops on the beat can't stop most of that stuff and when you have a city as big and as unruly as Cleveland it becomes very hard.

 

I think there are two options.  1. The City goes full military mode and installs cameras and vastly increases police presence (think in multiples more).  This is likely a pipe dream because there just isn't the resources to do so.  or 2. We disaggregate information collection to help catch criminals.  On the latter point, I think car cameras, lo-jack systems, security/surveillance cameras on homes and businesses give us the best chance to gather information on people committing crimes.  For the first time in human history, nearly everybody has the ability to capture images/video of people and use GPS to track things - I think this can go a far way in preventing/arresting criminals and you don't have to directly rely on a overworked and/or disinterested police force to do much of the legwork.

Lol pay attention. I never said that freeways are THE problem, just that this is another example of a negative consequence of overbuilding freeway infrastructure. Obviously the worst rate of violent crime is on the east side of Cleveland, but that's not what I was specifically talking about here. clvlndr was referring to the crimes spilling over into the "jewel areas" and I was simply stating a contributing factor to that, and why it's so easy for many of these criminals to get away.

 

I guess I really doubt the crime rate in Tremont would be any different if robbers had to take City streets as opposed to freeways.

^ A significant drop in the crime rate? Not sure, maybe not. But it does seem that the recent spike in Tremont's crime rate is from criminals who took the 490 bridge to W. 7, and then back. It's a very easy getaway route. If the freeway was never built there, I think it would be significantly harder for a quick getaway in that part of Tremont. City streets are not so easy to maneuver - remember that guy who crashed and died on W. 14th trying to flee from the cops? It would be ideal if we could reduce the freeway infrastructure (pipe dream), create more density, and have more police on patrol. We can at least possibly achieve the latter two. As for my suggestion of well-lit freeway exits/entrances with cameras... I'm not sure why you think that's crazy since you seem to be very much for the idea of increased surveillance.

https://www.facebook.com/clevelandcom?fref=nf

 

Of course, the Cleveland.com Facebook page asks "Do the recent downtown shootings have you on edge?" with a link to the Langston shooting article.

 

Has the PD/NEOMG officially reached tabloid level journalism yet?

Not reported yet but there was a robbery at gun point yesterday right in Ohio City @ Carroll Ct. & W32nd... at 3:30 in the afternoon.  The perpetrator stole the woman's purse & car as soon as she parked.  This kind of crap is ridiculous - especially at that location in the middle of the afternoon!  The city needs to hire more policemen for foot patrols before we build any more stadiums, bridges to the rock halls, and any other large tax payer funded project that does not have a clear ROI to bring in more residents & density.  As much as I like those developments, they mean nothing if the residents are not protected. 

 

At the block club level, there also must be a concerted effort to increase densities in these neighborhoods - time for the block clubs to wake up and allow as much density as possible to increase safety. 

 

Despite all the positive things happening in town, Cleveland is increasingly growing an image of being out of control crime-wise  and this sh*t has got to stop... Zack Reed wants more cop boots on the ground in neighborhoods like Mt. Pleasant and has proposed Council increase police overtime to facilitate it.  While Zach's not the most popular kid on the block, he's right about this one imho.  But as we've seen in recent weeks -- this OC armed robbery plus the bike-mounted robbers in Tremont, murder at E. 4th, windows shot out at the Langston @ CSU, etc., etc -- this craziness is spilling over into Cleveland's jewel areas... not good.

 

Zack's right about this and sometimes even seems to get that some cultural issues other than poverty or "racism" are a big part of the problem.  Someone, possibly him, needs to fully get it and start pushing back.  The Damon Wells situation happened in his area, while he was in office, and absolutely no leaders of what is considered the black community seemed to be willing to stick up for Wells and tell those bemoaning Buford's fate that he brought it on himself.  A community that mourns a wannabe armed robber and attacks his intended victim has issues that can only be suppressed by policing, or any other external influence for that matter.

A sad reality is that there are a lot of communities within Cleveland proper where certain hours of the night it is unsafe to venture out for a jog, walk to the store or be out on your front porch. There are shootings in some of these neighborhoods routinely. It's sad and a direct result of not enough police. The neighbors don't bother to call the cops because its so routine.

 

It's interesting though how many more posts there are when things like this happen to escape the “hood" and into some of our better areas. Even though no one was hurt this is a tragedy. I hope city hall has a game plan for reducing the amount of violent crime going on here for the law abiding residents sake.

 

Imagine if this were to happen next year at an RNC venue. I can imagine a lot of national discussions arising from a situation like that, one about gun control another about staying away from Cleveland.

I have zero confidence left in this administration to handle these issues

 

I'm glad others are starting to realize this.  I know I was saying it from the start as I recognized it living in DC when Barry was Mayor and then saw the same disfunction and inability coming from Cleves Mayor.  Its just too bad it had to come to this kind off stuff. 

Although, I guess that is what it takes for people to open their eyes and stop saying things like "this can happen anywhere......."  Which is totally the WRONG attitude!  As well as things like "But Frank is a nice guy" from people that work for the City.         

I have zero confidence left in this administration to handle these issues

 

I'm glad others are starting to realize this.  I know I was saying it from the start as I recognized it living in DC when Barry was Mayor and then saw the same disfunction and inability coming from Cleves Mayor.  Its just too bad it had to come to this kind off stuff. 

Although, I guess that is what it takes for people to open their eyes and stop saying things like "this can happen anywhere......."  Which is totally the WRONG attitude!  As well as things like "But Frank is a nice guy" from people that work for the City.         

 

He's a solid enough administrator, but the city needs a leader right now.  That's not what he is.

^ He's not even that good of an administrator. He did a good job with brining in the right people to take care of the city's fincances, but outside of that, he hasn't done a great job.

 

I obviously know the mayor doesn't have complete control over crime in the city. But I'd just at least be happy to see him communicate with the community about the problem and steps the administration has been taking to help rectify it. Communication is always key and Frank does a terrible job with that.

I have zero confidence left in this administration to handle these issues

 

I think residents have plenty of reason to be upset.  With the past two decades of crime, the city should put every dollar and resource to safety.  100% aggressive focus on it.  Instead they are celebrating just about everything else and putting a ton towards marketing to outsiders, which is great and all...but not sustainable in the long run if people are getting guns pointed in their face

 

Obviously, there has been a recent spike in crime, but isn't it true that the past two decades have actually seen a decrease in crime?

Obviously, there has been a recent spike in crime, but isn't it true that the past two decades have actually seen a decrease in crime?

 

I believe so, both locally and nationally, but I'm not sure how that helps anything.  We currently have a gang war that is spilling over into downtown, and we can't just call the 1990s and ask for assistance. 

 

The last few mayoral administrations have presided over better times for a few areas and worse times for most of the city.  A lot what's being developed with local tax money is so high-end and exclusive that residents of 93rd and Union can't even get in the door.  Other than nudging up the tax base, there's little benefit for them.  These people can't buy $50 steaks or rent apartments for $50k a year.  I realize we need those things to be available, but we also need things that make life better at 93rd and Union.

^ But a lot of that assumes that the City of Cleveland (government) has much ability to make life better at 93rd and Union (and all similar areas).  I for one don't believe believe they do.  I think every administration would like to make life better for the 93rd and Unions of the City if they could.

Why would we want to "call" the 1990's?  Wasn't that when crime hit its peak?

 

^I agree.  I think step one is to realize there is no quick fix and not to overextend the City's resources looking for a quick return.  The City (and County) needs to play the long-game here.  However long it took the inner city to rot, it will take twice as long to repair.  Increasing the tax base is critical.  No tax base, no money.  No money, no resources.  No resources, no possible fixes.

If the city continues to promote job growth and retention, and we see results, I am confident that these issues will fix themselves. In the meantime, the police just need to continue having a strong presence in these areas that are prone to crime.  Honestly, not much else you can do other than give folks an opportunity to make legitimate money to support their families.  In turn, they raise their children to do the same. 

 

It's great that we have seen an influx of college educated millenials scooping up available jobs in healthcare, software and consulting amongst other fields.  The influx of millenials have done a fantastic job at helping to rejuvenate Cleveland's downtown, along with a select couple other hoods, but done very little to rejuvenate the remaining 85% of the city. We have a large amount of folks in the city with GED's that can not perform at college degreed level jobs.  We need to make things in Cleveland again, like we did in the past, which made this town great.  It offered great jobs to new immigrants (who barely spoke English) and locals, and gave them a sense of pride in themselves, and in their communities. 

The longer the fix, the more important it is that we get plans underway quickly. 

 

I do believe it is possible to come up with workable plans, not just for the current war zone area but for the city as a whole.  And I agree more tax base is needed, although I don't believe current municipal development policies are ideal in that regard.  The key right now is to (notably and visibly) focus more available resources on improving the city's worst neighborhoods.  Huge strides have been made downtown, uptown, and on the near west side-- huge enough strides that the discrepancy has gotten out of hand.     

^ Can you elaborate on what those plans may be?

^ Can you elaborate on what those plans may be?

 

Seems like a good topic for a new thread.  I bet a lot of people on this forum have ideas that could help.

^ He's not even that good of an administrator. He did a good job with brining in the right people to take care of the city's fincances, but outside of that, he hasn't done a great job.

 

I obviously know the mayor doesn't have complete control over crime in the city. But I'd just at least be happy to see him communicate with the community about the problem and steps the administration has been taking to help rectify it. Communication is always key and Frank does a terrible job with that.

 

Spine may be more important.  Being blunt with key people instead of weasel wording.

 

All too often, some of the community leaders get bamboozled.  Not by the thugs themselves, they truly "don't give a f" unless they are forced to.  By their families, who insist that they are "good boys, just misunderstood".  That phrase has become a cliche that the intellectually challenged have picked up on, but it didn't get that way for no reason.

Why would we want to "call" the 1990's?  Wasn't that when crime hit its peak?

 

 

I think the peak was actually in the 1970s. In at least one year that decade, the number of murders in the city was over 300.

Why would we want to "call" the 1990's?  Wasn't that when crime hit its peak?

 

 

I think the peak was actually in the 1970s. In at least one year that decade, the number of murders in the city was over 300.

 

In the City of Cleveland, yes, the murder rate peaked in the 1970s.  But that declined soon after because of the population loss that followed.  For the Country, the per capita homicide and violent crime rate peaked in 1995 (pretty sure about that).  The Country's per capita murder rate rose from the 70s through the 90s before beginning to fall to its current levels.

Power was out on Friday night. I thought it was jsut the neighborhood, but looks like it took down 12,000 customers.

 

 

  Apparently some guy stole a front loader, drove it across the RR tracks and took out the power lines.  Snapped the pole in half.

 

We saw the sparks on Friday, but being this neighborhood I figured some guy was shooting fireworks. :)

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/10/over_12000_customers_without_p.html#incart_river

Power was out on Friday night. I thought it was jsut the neighborhood, but looks like it took down 12,000 customers.

 

 

  Apparently some guy stole a front loader, drove it across the RR tracks and took out the power lines.  Snapped the pole in half.

 

We saw the sparks on Friday, but being this neighborhood I figured some guy was shooting fireworks. :)

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/10/over_12000_customers_without_p.html#incart_river

 

My brother's band played out there, I facebooked him wondering if their sound equipment was the culprit.

Cleveland 19 News ‏@cleveland19news  2h2 hours ago

BREAKING NEWS: Indictments against a man accused of killing four people, including his own cousin.

http://shout.lt/bfPZV

Cleveland 19 News ‏@cleveland19news  2h2 hours ago

BREAKING NEWS: Indictments against a man accused of killing four people, including his own cousin.

http://shout.lt/bfPZV

 

Not sure why they are calling this guy a "serial killer".  Technically that's true, but it doesn't sound he was anything like what that phrase has come to mean.

I believe if you kill more than 3 people you can be considered a serial killer.

If you kill three different times (not just three people, but three times), I would say you're a serial killer.

Such a violent country...

 

Five arrested in CLE 101st homicide; 3 charged with murder

http://www.cleveland19.com/story/30211345/five-arrested-in-cle-101st-homicide-3-charged-with-murder

@WEWS Woman shot, killed while driving in Garden Valley neighborhood

https://t.co/dBfiViqeAL

SOURCE: Man stabs mother to death on west side, suspect possibly heading to Florida

https://t.co/ZiD3IzjBsd

#breaking Cle PD looking for green Ford 500 license #GGU9923. Source: Burley Blankenship stabbed, killed mom on w119 https://t.co/QTNu6g8YdT

@Veronimac: 15-year-old boy dies after being shot on Wade Park on Cleveland's east side https://t.co/QET8lVdTAb

 

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/10/boy_15_shot_and_killed_in_driv.html

Such a violent country...

 

Five arrested in CLE 101st homicide; 3 charged with murder

http://www.cleveland19.com/story/30211345/five-arrested-in-cle-101st-homicide-3-charged-with-murder

 

The victim was a very likable guy. I'm going to miss seeing him around. 

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/windows-smashed-at-several-downtown-businesses-including-cleveland-clothing-co