November 26, 20159 yr The media would jump all over any street crime on the Hill like stink on modell, because it's perceived as the Last Safe Neighborhood. I think those of us on the West Side would disagree. :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 27, 20159 yr The media would jump all over any street crime on the Hill like stink on modell, because it's perceived as the Last Safe Neighborhood. I think those of us on the West Side would disagree. :) I would too, but that's the perception in a lot of circles.
November 27, 20159 yr The media would jump all over any street crime on the Hill like stink on modell, because it's perceived as the Last Safe Neighborhood. I think those of us on the West Side would disagree. :) +1
December 3, 20159 yr Remember this robbery from this summer? Looks like they identified the guy and charged him. Teen charged as adult in Edgewater Beach armed robbery http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/12/teen_charged_as_adult_in_edgew.html#incart_river_index
December 6, 20159 yr Here we go again... sounds a bit like the Tremont carjackings. They get away with it once and now its full on... I really hope this is stopped immediately. Not good for Little Italy. "Priest pistol whipped, robbed in church parking lot in Little Italy" Four robberies tonight... http://fox8.com/2015/12/05/priest-pistol-whipped-robbed-in-church-parking-lot-in-little-italy/
December 6, 20159 yr Pistol-whipping a Holy Rosary priest? If there was still a Mafia in this town and the police figured out who these robbers are, certain cops would give the names to a capo. In a few days the bodies of the robbers would be found in the street with a certain appendage removed and stuffed in their mouths. That's how it was done back in the day when the mob kept Little Italy free of east-side blight. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 6, 20159 yr ^They themselves were their own form of blight. Good riddance. I miss them not at all. [EDIT: I gather you were just saying that descriptively, not necessarily romantically, so I didn't mean that argumentatively.]
December 6, 20159 yr More so, historically. Are there any other words we can add that end in -ly?? ;) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 6, 20159 yr Pistol-whipping a Holy Rosary priest? If there was still a Mafia in this town and the police figured out who these robbers are, certain cops would give the names to a capo. In a few days the bodies of the robbers would be found in the street with a certain appendage removed and stuffed in their mouths. That's how it was done back in the day when the mob kept Little Italy free of east-side blight. Yeah, that was my initial thought. Though I speculated on Facebook that they might end up in the lake. A few friends of mine with ties to the area speculated that this could still happen. I doubt this was anything more than particularly bold street criminals, but it's hard to imagine a minor street crime with more potential cultural and political impact. Of course, the multicultural tolerance of the neighborhood, which has improved dramatically over the decades, just got a huge setback.
December 6, 20159 yr ^They themselves were their own form of blight. Good riddance. I miss them not at all. They had a certain code of ethics. It didn't match up with the one we seek to have as a nation and people, but it came a lot closer than what we have now: with not only the urban street gangs but the Russians as well. A few weeks back Chicago street gangs intentionally targetted the young son of a rival gang member. That would be unthinkable to the Mafia.
December 6, 20159 yr ^Not at all unthinkable to the Italian mafia. Maybe to the American mafia. I don't really care about the twisted ethics of various shades of thuggery, to be honest. What's interesting here (maybe) is that even without the informal neighborhood enforcement, Little Italy is probably the wrong neighborhood to prey on. Like the Tremont crap, this is no doubt going to be a police priority and stands a much higher chance of leading to arrests and prosecution. Hopefully swiftly.
December 6, 20159 yr Never thought of the Mafia as "informal neighborhood enforcement" but that's what it is! :) "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 6, 20159 yr Pistol-whipping a Holy Rosary priest? If there was still a Mafia in this town and the police figured out who these robbers are, certain cops would give the names to a capo. In a few days the bodies of the robbers would be found in the street with a certain appendage removed and stuffed in their mouths. That's how it was done back in the day when the mob kept Little Italy free of east-side blight. Your scenario needs to indicate that if anyone white tried this in LI, they would be found as described but everyone knew not to mess around in LI. African-Americans were not allowed in LI at all and they knew that. No issue with that crime element. Now, in 2015, the ''enforcers'' in the area are most likely gone and LI's east side neighbors can go get priests, diners and other white people with money. Hope there is not a shooting or homicide resulting from this. A week or so ago there were armed robberies around Coltman near the edge of LI. Little Italy survived the 1960s through 2000s and everyone put it down as being racist. One of the few east side neighbors left intact thanks to the residents though. Now that reputation has subsided and there are armed robberies. Enjoy visiting this charming area while you can.
December 7, 20159 yr ^Oh please. While these crimes are obviously terrible and a shock to a neighborhood that isn't used to this type of thing, they don't mark the beginning of a decline of this neighborhood. Crimes like these sometimes come along with living in urban neighborhoods. How the community as well as the police react to crimes like these, particularly if they keep happening, will determine the fate of the neighborhood.
December 7, 20159 yr ^Oh please. While these crimes are obviously terrible and a shock to a neighborhood that isn't used to this type of thing, they don't mark the beginning of a decline of this neighborhood. Crimes like these sometimes come along with living in urban neighborhoods. How the community as well as the police react to crimes like these, particularly if they keep happening, will determine the fate of the neighborhood. You obviously don't know Cleveland's Little Italy neighborhood and its history if you think it doesn't know about urban neighborhood issues.
December 7, 20159 yr You obviously don't know Cleveland's Little Italy neighborhood and its history if you think it doesn't know about urban neighborhood issues. I do know that neighborhood and its history, and I also know what's happening today to it and the neighborhoods next to it, which is incredible investment and development. So if you want to succumb to fear and hyperbole, that's your call. But sh!t happens sometimes, everywhere. And one blip does not destroy a neighborhood. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 7, 20159 yr Serious question, are you Mike Trivisonno? If you think I'm Triv, then may a pox be on your house! You obviously don't know Cleveland's Little Italy neighborhood and its history if you think it doesn't know about urban neighborhood issues. I do know that neighborhood and its history, and I also know what's happening today to it and the neighborhoods next to it, which is incredible investment and development. So if you want to succumb to fear and hyperbole, that's your call. But sh!t happens sometimes, everywhere. And one blip does not destroy a neighborhood. But this sh!t never happened in Little Italy before let alone have a priest at Holy Rosary pistol whipped on Mayfield at 8:30pm-ish on a Saturday night. Wonder how many investors thought this could never happen in Little Italy? The money, development and easy to hit white people is the attraction for these 'hood thugs. The Italians are pretty much gone so now its a quaint charming old neighborhood that remains intact for some reason while the other nearby neighborhoods were destroyed. Wonder how many know that LI was armed-up in the 1960sPeople with high paying jobs are moving in as are 'hood rats with rifles One blip does not destroy a neighborhood but this is a huge blip for Little Italy in less than 2 weeks with the doctor and spouse on Coltman being the 2nd since that story references another armed robbery up Coltman. But this blip is in the heart of LI and the Case med student mentioned a robbery on Overlook.
December 7, 20159 yr Serious question, are you Mike Trivisonno? If you think I'm Triv, then may a pox be on your house! You obviously don't know Cleveland's Little Italy neighborhood and its history if you think it doesn't know about urban neighborhood issues. I do know that neighborhood and its history, and I also know what's happening today to it and the neighborhoods next to it, which is incredible investment and development. So if you want to succumb to fear and hyperbole, that's your call. But sh!t happens sometimes, everywhere. And one blip does not destroy a neighborhood. There were four incidents Saturday night. That said.... If my Facebook feed is any indicator (I know), people with roots in the area aren't all like "time to get/stay out" (as happened with Slavic Village and others) they are peed and ready to kick some donkey. While this could go any number of unfortunate places, it's a reflection of what kept LI in good shape for so long.
December 7, 20159 yr African-Americans were not allowed in LI at all and they knew that. No issue with that crime element. And that attitude, which took decades to moderate, has just come back strong, at least as far as younger black men are concerned. It amazes me sometimes how fringe members of the black community sometimes do things that play right into racist attitudes. Stereotypes that are reinforced don't go away.
December 7, 20159 yr ^^thats what racists do. They use fringe members of the race they hate as a whole to justify their hate. Sort of the very essence of racism
December 7, 20159 yr Bad: All ______ people are ______. Good: Judge one at a time. The former is easier to do, the latter tougher to do with in a sprawling, heavily segregated metro area like Greater Cleveland because some groups of people don't have any personal contact with anyone in another group of people. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 7, 20159 yr Serious question, are you Mike Trivisonno? If you think I'm Triv, then may a pox be on your house! I thought surfohio was addressing PHS14, not you. Correct. No pox upon me or my house required lol.
December 7, 20159 yr I've just pray we don't find out that these jokers came and/or left via the new LI Red Line Rapid stop. For years, close-minded LI'ers quietly fought the relocation of the Rapid stop to Mayfield because of their fears that criminals (wink-wink) would invade and terrorize their little neighborhood. This feeling isn't totally dead as one LI resident (woman) poster on the LI facebook page pretty much said as much in expressing her unhappiness when the new station opened last August. The last thing we need is for 3 punks and 1 stupid incident to inflame irrationality and bigotry toward this much-needed transit upgrade.
December 7, 20159 yr ^ I would expect not. I assume even the most unsophisticated criminals would be aware that a new Red Line station would be camera-ed up to the hilt. But then again....these guys probably aren't in this line of work due to their intelligence...
December 7, 20159 yr ^ I would expect not. I assume even the most unsophisticated criminals would be aware that a new Red Line station would be camera-ed up to the hilt. But then again....these guys probably aren't in this line of work due to their intelligence... Tell me about it!
December 8, 20159 yr I've just pray we don't find out that these jokers came and/or left via the new LI Red Line Rapid stop. For years, close-minded LI'ers quietly fought the relocation of the Rapid stop to Mayfield because of their fears that criminals (wink-wink) would invade and terrorize their little neighborhood. This feeling isn't totally dead as one LI resident (woman) poster on the LI facebook page pretty much said as much in expressing her unhappiness when the new station opened last August. The last thing we need is for 3 punks and 1 stupid incident to inflame irrationality and bigotry toward this much-needed transit upgrade. The arrest was made at 84th and Chester, so probably not.
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December 9, 20159 yr ^ I would expect not. I assume even the most unsophisticated criminals would be aware that a new Red Line station would be camera-ed up to the hilt. But then again....these guys probably aren't in this line of work due to their intelligence... Why is there there a fear of crime related to transit (esp the rapid) being extended into the suburbs or in this case Little Italy?
December 9, 20159 yr ^Huh? The rapid was built with the express purpose of shuttling people from the suburbs to the city and vice-versa.
December 18, 20159 yr One down..... Man gets 25 years in prison for string of robberies, including Tremont attacks http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/12/man_gets_25_years_in_prison_fo.html#incart_river_index
December 22, 20159 yr http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/surveillance-video-shows-moments-after-shooting-at-odeon-concert-club-in-flats-east-bank Hip hop show. Stop reinforcing stereotypes. Please.
December 22, 20159 yr http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/surveillance-video-shows-moments-after-shooting-at-odeon-concert-club-in-flats-east-bank Hip hop show. Stop reinforcing stereotypes. Please. Yeah first thing I thought too. When it wasnt know or only speculation, it would have been considered stereotyping and racist to imply as much... I love how the owner of the Odean was all "we're shocked that this happened". Damn those Hip hop shows.
December 22, 20159 yr http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/surveillance-video-shows-moments-after-shooting-at-odeon-concert-club-in-flats-east-bank Hip hop show. Stop reinforcing stereotypes. Please. Yeah first thing I thought too. When it wasnt know or only speculation, it would have been considered stereotyping and racist to imply as much... I love how the owner of the Odean was all "we're shocked that this happened". Damn those Hip hop shows. I've been out of the loop, but I'm pretty sure the Odeon and Roc Bar have the same ownership. I have not heard anything positive about either venue. These could very well be trouble spots for the time being.
December 25, 20159 yr http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/surveillance-video-shows-moments-after-shooting-at-odeon-concert-club-in-flats-east-bank Hip hop show. Stop reinforcing stereotypes. Please. Stop believing stereotypes. Not everyone who is in "Hip-Hop" whether producing or performing or a fan is "bad" or some sort of "thug" or "gangsta". Just like everyone who is involved in Rock or classic rock fan is a junkie.
December 28, 20159 yr http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/surveillance-video-shows-moments-after-shooting-at-odeon-concert-club-in-flats-east-bank Hip hop show. Stop reinforcing stereotypes. Please. Yeah first thing I thought too. When it wasnt know or only speculation, it would have been considered stereotyping and racist to imply as much... I love how the owner of the Odean was all "we're shocked that this happened". Damn those Hip hop shows. I've been out of the loop, but I'm pretty sure the Odeon and Roc Bar have the same ownership. I have not heard anything positive about either venue. These could very well be trouble spots for the time being. Confirmed: http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/03/storied_cleveland_flats_music.html Funny how the initial story does not mention R&B/hip-hop. FWIW the Roc Bar has posted on their Facebook page that they are moving next year. Other than the gang fight in Lakewood, I haven't heard of any shootings at a rock or country venue, and I would have. Stuff happens everywhere, but in some places more than others.
December 28, 20159 yr ^Huh? The rapid was built with the express purpose of shuttling people from the suburbs to the city and vice-versa. The Red Line barely leaves the city except for East Cleveland and possibly brief crossings of the Lakewood and maybe Brook Park borders. It was designed mainly to shuttle people back and forth between the residential, industrial, and downtown areas of the city proper. At a time when the demographics were different, but not drastically so, not along the East Side portion of the Red Line at least. What truly is different now is that the kinds of lawlessness that are now routine were not tolerated back then. Not within the Black community, not in Little Italy, not anywhere.
December 28, 20159 yr ^Huh? The rapid was built with the express purpose of shuttling people from the suburbs to the city and vice-versa. The Red Line barely leaves the city except for East Cleveland and possibly brief crossings of the Lakewood and maybe Brook Park borders. It was designed mainly to shuttle people back and forth between the residential, industrial, and downtown areas of the city proper. At a time when the demographics were different, but not drastically so, not along the East Side portion of the Red Line at least. What truly is different now is that the kinds of lawlessness that are now routine were not tolerated back then. Not within the Black community, not in Little Italy, not anywhere. I agree, except that what's different is the economy, and no amount of "lawfulness" will fix that. Most people living in those areas today are perfectly lawful.
December 28, 20159 yr ^Huh? The rapid was built with the express purpose of shuttling people from the suburbs to the city and vice-versa. The Red Line barely leaves the city except for East Cleveland and possibly brief crossings of the Lakewood and maybe Brook Park borders. It was designed mainly to shuttle people back and forth between the residential, industrial, and downtown areas of the city proper. At a time when the demographics were different, but not drastically so, not along the East Side portion of the Red Line at least. What truly is different now is that the kinds of lawlessness that are now routine were not tolerated back then. Not within the Black community, not in Little Italy, not anywhere. I agree, except that what's different is the economy, and no amount of "lawfulness" will fix that. Most people living in those areas today are perfectly lawful. . Walter Williams has observed that worse poverty and far more explicit racism never led to the sorts of crime we see today.
December 28, 20159 yr Not sure what sorts of crime he's referring to. Mankind's history is not a pretty one, especially in areas/periods of rapid decline.
December 28, 20159 yr ^Huh? The rapid was built with the express purpose of shuttling people from the suburbs to the city and vice-versa. The Red Line barely leaves the city except for East Cleveland and possibly brief crossings of the Lakewood and maybe Brook Park borders. It was designed mainly to shuttle people back and forth between the residential, industrial, and downtown areas of the city proper. At a time when the demographics were different, but not drastically so, not along the East Side portion of the Red Line at least. What truly is different now is that the kinds of lawlessness that are now routine were not tolerated back then. Not within the Black community, not in Little Italy, not anywhere. I agree, except that what's different is the economy, and no amount of "lawfulness" will fix that. Most people living in those areas today are perfectly lawful. . Walter Williams has observed that worse poverty and far more explicit racism never led to the sorts of crime we see today. I've bolded some key words for you.... and Walter
December 28, 20159 yr I just saw something interesting. I was riding Red Line west to 117th. Three teens were getting off at W 98th and suddenly a big fight started. It looked like someone was waiting at the station and attacked as soon as the door opened. But it started where I couldn't see and I'm not sure who jumped whom. The fight ended up back on the train, which closed up and started moving, to everyone's dismay. Things settled down a bit but started up again as soon as the doors opened at 117th. Luckily there were about 12 police there, who took control quickly. Several of them ran right past me with guns drawn. I'm curious to see if a) this makes the news at all, and b) whether there's some bigger story to it.
December 29, 20159 yr Not surprised: Cleveland.com closes comment section on Tamir Rice stories as commentary became too hateful: http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/11/why_we_turned_off_comments_on.html
December 29, 20159 yr So much hate out there. Sometimes I wonder how human beings have made it this far. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 29, 20159 yr Not surprised: Cleveland.com closes comment section on Tamir Rice stories as commentary became too hateful: http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/11/why_we_turned_off_comments_on.html Where the hell have they been the last 15 years when every article pretty much spews hate? They want the clicks. Honestly, I don't know how much worse the comments on that article could be from previous articles. Now they are trying to act like they have a level of integrity
December 29, 20159 yr . Walter Williams has observed that worse poverty and far more explicit racism never led to the sorts of crime we see today. The only thing remarkable about "the sorts of crime we see today" is how much less frequent they are than 10, 20, 30, even 40 years ago.
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