December 29, 20159 yr . Walter Williams has observed that worse poverty and far more explicit racism never led to the sorts of crime we see today. The only thing remarkable about "the sorts of crime we see today" is how much less frequent they are than 10, 20, 30, even 40 years ago. I was just waiting for someone to chime in with that one....... As if the general attitudes, level of disrespect and disregard for other human beings along with dismal graduation rates and total lack of family were as bad 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago as they are today. Yet the "urbanists" (which I though I was) still grasp on to any statistics that support xxxxxxx... Do you really expect that these things are going to result in lower crime rates?
December 29, 20159 yr Unfortunately, as pew's analysis has shown, there seems to be a certain immutability to public hysteria, regardless of any improvements: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/04/17/despite-lower-crime-rates-support-for-gun-rights-increases/ EDIT: These are overall crime numbers, so there are of course individual neighborhoods and jurisdictions where crime has increased in recent years and others where it has sunk unusually low (like NYC). And even today's relatively low crime levels are a very serious problem. I'm just pushing back agains the general declinist narrative.
December 29, 20159 yr I’m not sure how a report about the national decrease in violent crime in the US has to do with general crime in various municipalities? You cannot make a valid argument using one aspect of crime to dispute and diminish general crime concerns, and then attempt to make a comparison about people’s perceptions vs another period in time…. Especially since many people’s perceptions are based on crimes that don’t necessarily include violent crime (I know in my suburb and most similar suburbs the increased crime concern is related to break-ins or similar crimes that do not fall into that category) . In addition, as general crimes had previously been more concentrated in the inner city, and as these places have emptied out (or gentrified) and the population spread, crime rates have subsequently decreased in these neighborhoods,. Yet general crime rates have increased in neighborhoods and suburbs which didn’t previously have crime concerns. These are the communities where most people live least until another generational cycle takes place. This is especially true in the past 10 years or so (since the crisis, and the parallel decrease in housing value has taken place). If you look at places like Lakewood, Parma, Shaker Heights and pretty much any east side suburb where most people live. All of these places have seen a general increase in crime over the past 10 years due in large part to this disbursement and diversification in population, yet these crimes are not necessarily going to be violent crimes. When I lived in DC… I was fortunate to move there during the Barry administration and experience how mindsets can affect a City (a period that that shares many parallels and qualities I see in the Jackson administration in Cleveland). So DC, once considered one of the most dangerous cities in the US, through mass gentrification and frankly developing higher standards with better and more competent leadership is now considered safer than Cleveland! Just don’t go to certain surrounding areas as the crime rates have simultaneously skyrocketed due to a shifting of the population. I could post numerous articles about how crime rates have decreased or increased to support whatever argument I want to make as it is easy to pick and choose or manipulate statistics (as I have had to do for years for various organizations I have worked for). The dangerous thing about doing that is that you are diminishing and minimizing something that you really shouldn’t be. I know I’m not proud of the fact that Cleveland has risen to be on the top of many of the dangerous city lists. Which should be a wakeup call, yet people here (including the mayor) seem to make every attempt to minimize this…. Ultimately I think Cleveland has been stuck due to its misfortunes and lack of leadership and therefore hasn’t made the overall “improvements” that other cities have been able to make, and ultimately crime goes hand in hand with all of the failings and bad trends that I previously mentioned, as then it becomes a culture to more and more people. This should be everyone’s concern.
December 29, 20159 yr ^Like I said in the edit to my previous post, I think crime continues to be a very real issue in some places, including Cleveland. I'm not dismissing that at all. But the declinist "crime today would never have been tolerated back in the day" is just pure revisionist bullshit. My post was a response specifically to what I quoted. There has no doubt been a relative shift in the geography of crime as the city of Cleveland has emptied out, and to people who feel increasingly threatened in their own neighborhood, the overall drop in crime is no comfort. I get that and I agree. Even there, though, I think the narrative is a little out of control. There was crime in Shaker Hts and Lakewood 20 years ago. Most of the change people think they see seems to be confirmation bias after every news report as much as a real trend.
December 30, 20159 yr Noah and Ann (a lawyer and a doctor) are good friends of mine. Noah put up quite a fight. You can see the driveway for the UCPD from where the attempted robbery happened. The CPD hung up on Ann as well, so it took three calls and more than 20 minutes to get a response... Not good. tell your friend there isn't anything "masculine" or admirable about getting into a fight with someone who has a gun. he's incredibly lucky he's still alive, this is exactly how people get shot. just give them your stuff. it's just stuff.
December 30, 20159 yr Noah and Ann (a lawyer and a doctor) are good friends of mine. Noah put up quite a fight. You can see the driveway for the UCPD from where the attempted robbery happened. The CPD hung up on Ann as well, so it took three calls and more than 20 minutes to get a response... Not good. tell your friend there isn't anything "masculine" or admirable about getting into a fight with someone who has a gun. he's incredibly lucky he's still alive, this is exactly how people get shot. just give them your stuff. it's just stuff. I don't think it's a "masculinist" thing, I think it's an "F you you useless parasite you're not taking my stuff" thing. I'd probably do it too.
December 31, 20159 yr Anyone care to take a crack at explaining this one to me? The guy didn't spend a minute in jail, has repeatedly violated his probation, and is out free. Furthermore where is his standing to sue? You can assault a police officer with a vehicle but the officer may not shoot? Section 2.1.01 (Use of Deadly Force) Intentionally firing at a moving vehicle is prohibited unless there is imminent danger of death or serious injury to officers and/or other persons, where other means are not available to avert or eliminate the threat, and, where feasible, some warning has been given. Officers shall NOT fire at a vehicle that is no longer an imminent threat. http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2015/12/cleveland_man_shot_while_drivi.html#incart_river_home_pop
January 7, 20169 yr #BREAKING: 35 cars burn, multiple explosions at junkyard on Cleveland's west side https://t.co/QFNMmnpxD5 https://t.co/I05x4Xs5wj "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 7, 20169 yr #BREAKING: 35 cars burn, multiple explosions at junkyard on Cleveland's west side https://t.co/QFNMmnpxD5 https://t.co/I05x4Xs5wj More evidence that with a Democrat in the White House the terrorists have become even more emboldened.
January 7, 20169 yr Wow... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 7, 20169 yr Between that and seeing 4 car fires on the interstates in Cleveland in the past month... including one last night on I-90! Car was roasting.
January 7, 20169 yr Gotcha! Sorry I didnt pick up on that one lol It's okay. I shoulda did one of these things "/s" the international sarcasm indicator !! :-)
January 7, 20169 yr Between that and seeing 4 car fires on the interstates in Cleveland in the past month... including one last night on I-90! Car was roasting. Last night on Interstates near downtown was rough. There was a 12-car crash on I-90 near West 25th with a fire and injuries followed less than an hour later by an 8-car crash with injuries on I-71 near I-90. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 12, 20169 yr Here we go again... sounds a bit like the Tremont carjackings. They get away with it once and now its full on... I really hope this is stopped immediately. Not good for Little Italy. "Priest pistol whipped, robbed in church parking lot in Little Italy" Four robberies tonight... http://fox8.com/2015/12/05/priest-pistol-whipped-robbed-in-church-parking-lot-in-little-italy/ Cleveland 19 News @cleveland19news 25m25 minutes ago Suspect arrested in pistol-whipping of priest http://shout.lt/bpwPS "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 13, 20169 yr That degenerate looks very similar to one of the idiots from the Tremont carjackings, minus the neck tats...
January 13, 20169 yr And... Suspect arrested in Cleveland drive-by that killed 3-year-old Major Howard http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/01/suspect_arrested_in_cleveland.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 13, 20169 yr Another click-bait cleveland.com headline! If it said "Man shot dead near Metro Health Hospital," it wouldn't nearly generate as many clicks... http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/01/man_shot_dead_in_clevelands_tr.html
January 13, 20169 yr Another click-bait cleveland.com headline! If it said "Man shot dead near Metro Health Hospital," it wouldn't nearly generate as many clicks... http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/01/man_shot_dead_in_clevelands_tr.html At least the argument over whether or not it's Tremont keeps the children occupied.
January 18, 20169 yr Reallly???? http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/shots-fired-at-home-of-slain-3-year-old-major-howards-grandmother I'll be pleasantly surprised if this case gets mentioned at the rally dowtown today?
January 18, 20169 yr What rally? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 18, 20169 yr What rally? Supposed to be one downtown, commemorating MLK and Tamir Rice. I walked by it on Ontario St about an hour ago. The group was less than 20 people
January 18, 20169 yr What rally? Supposed to be one downtown, commemorating MLK and Tamir Rice. I walked by it on Ontario St about an hour ago. The group was less than 20 people How many of which were reporters?
January 18, 20169 yr What rally? Supposed to be one downtown, commemorating MLK and Tamir Rice. I walked by it on Ontario St about an hour ago. The group was less than 20 people How many of which were reporters? I didn't notice any, I'm sure there were a couple. Props to them though, no way I'd spend more than 5 minutes outside today.
January 18, 20169 yr Props to them though, no way I'd spend more than 5 minutes outside today. Damnstraight. Not setting outside today after being out last night. I'm just sitting in my toasty warm condo waiting for the Cavs game to start! BTW, I saw on Saturday night/early Sunday AM just after midnight that there were four CPD cars at Twist on Clifton at West 117th. When I went into CVS on the opposite corner, no one in there even knew that something had happened at Twist. Still curious to know what attracted four CPD cars on a Saturday night. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 19, 20169 yr Props to them though, no way I'd spend more than 5 minutes outside today. Damnstraight. Not setting outside today after being out last night. I'm just sitting in my toasty warm condo waiting for the Cavs game to start! BTW, I saw on Saturday night/early Sunday AM just after midnight that there were four CPD cars at Twist on Clifton at West 117th. When I went into CVS on the opposite corner, no one in there even knew that something had happened at Twist. Still curious to know what attracted four CPD cars on a Saturday night. Probably just a fight or other disturbance. We've had that many show in Bedford for not much. If nothing else is going on everyone shows up.
January 19, 20169 yr WEWS NewsChannel5 @WEWS 2m2 minutes ago Cleveland police sergeant accused of driving drunk http://bit.ly/1KplzPq "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 19, 20169 yr WEWS NewsChannel5 @WEWS 2m2 minutes ago Cleveland police sergeant accused of driving drunk http://bit.ly/1KplzPq Used to be basically a police perogative. Bedford had a chief prone to it.
January 21, 20169 yr SAY WHAT??? The Grand Jury in the Tamir Rice Case Did Not Take a Vote on Charges The grand jury that opted not to indict Cleveland police officers Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback in the shooting death of Tamir Rice never actually took a vote on the matter, according to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office. What actually happened in the most significant grand jury hearing in county history isn't quite clear, and the mechanism by which the grand jury "declined to indict" — in Prosecutor Timothy McGinty's own words — is equally unclear. More here: http://m.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2016/01/20/the-grand-jury-in-the-tamir-rice-case-did-not-take-a-vote-on-charges#CommentsMobile
January 21, 20169 yr SAY WHAT??? The Grand Jury in the Tamir Rice Case Did Not Take a Vote on Charges The grand jury that opted not to indict Cleveland police officers Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback in the shooting death of Tamir Rice never actually took a vote on the matter, according to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office. What actually happened in the most significant grand jury hearing in county history isn't quite clear, and the mechanism by which the grand jury "declined to indict" — in Prosecutor Timothy McGinty's own words — is equally unclear. More here: http://m.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2016/01/20/the-grand-jury-in-the-tamir-rice-case-did-not-take-a-vote-on-charges#CommentsMobile Great explanation here: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/grand-jury-in-tamir-rice-case-did-vote-that-shooting-was-justified-didnt-vote-on-criminal-charges Scene does some very good work but they got schooled on diligence on this one. As they more or less confirm on update III
January 21, 20169 yr Too bad they misinformed their readers on their Facebook post (which I let them know about) - again. They should stick to their core - restaurant / event happenings. They are lousy and clearly biased in their coverage of crime.
January 21, 20169 yr Odd distinction there though. Is that the same process they would follow if you or I had been the shooter? Or would they skip straight to an up or down vote on the crime itself, without stopping first to ask if we were "justified?"
January 21, 20169 yr Odd distinction there though. Is that the same process they would follow if you or I had been the shooter? Or would they skip straight to an up or down vote on the crime itself, without stopping first to ask if we were "justified?" Justification pretty much eliminates any possible criminal charges, so I would think that's the first thing that would be considered.
January 21, 20169 yr Too bad they misinformed their readers on their Facebook post (which I let them know about) - again. They should stick to their core - restaurant / event happenings. They are lousy and clearly biased in their coverage of crime. They've been inconsistent ever since they absorbed, and tried to become, the "Free Times". In this area they are doing the bidding of the alliance between Bill Mason and the black identity politicians. Willfully? Who knows.
January 21, 20169 yr That's not generally how homicide laws work. The statue is quite simple, kill a person = guilty. If we're drilling down into issues of case law, it's hard to imagine why that wouldn't be dealt with in open court-- with the prosecutor actively seeking conviction, according to his duty. This isn't an issue of whether the officer was justified, this is an issue of whether that question is worth talking about in court. Cutting off inquiry at the secretive grand jury level, suggesting there's not even evidence of a homicide here, does not seem appropriate. It is hard to imagine any random Cleveland citizen shooting someone on camera and not getting indicted.
January 21, 20169 yr That's not generally how homicide laws work. The statue is quite simple, kill a person = guilty. No, it's not. One can be not guilty due to justification, or for that matter reason of insanity.
January 21, 20169 yr Read the statute yourself. Those deeper issues you raise are matters of common law (case law), not statute. My take is that if we're going to get into those issues, it should be done in open court. If there's no evidence the accused actually killed someone... fine OK don't indict. http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2903
January 21, 20169 yr Read the statute yourself. Those deeper issues you raise are matters of common law (case law), not statute. My take is that if we're going to get into those issues, it should be done in open court. If there's no evidence the accused actually killed someone... fine OK don't indict. http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2903 The grand jury is supposed to consider if a conviction is likely, IIRC.
January 21, 20169 yr No, they're supposed to decide if there's enough evidence to take it to trial. Likelihood of conviction involves issues that can't be fully explored in a grand jury proceeding. That's what regular court is for.
January 21, 20169 yr Yeah, Grand Jury's are used to determine whether there is probable cause to issue an indictment. But I don't agree that kill a person = guilty. There are many other places within the ORC that detail this. It may not be apart of 2903, but other sections (like 2901). http://www.cleveland.com/akron/index.ssf/2015/08/when_does_ohio_law_allow_resid.html
January 21, 20169 yr Affirmative defenses are secondary issues to whether the homicide statute was violated. They are also very fact-intensive issues and more appropriately dealt with by a trial court-- on the record.
January 22, 20169 yr @HilaryWKYC 9:06 PM - 21 Jan 2016 JUST IN: 2 men shot at a downtown apartment complex at W. Lakeside and 9th Street, One dead, one in critical. @wkyc
January 22, 20169 yr @HilaryWKYC 9:06 PM - 21 Jan 2016 JUST IN: 2 men shot at a downtown apartment complex at W. Lakeside and 9th Street, One dead, one in critical. @wkyc https://twitter.com/HomaBash/status/690370908939223041 @HomaBash "Police source says both men inside Archer on w9th have died, good amount of drugs reportedly found in apartment #cle #breaking" Renovations were recently completed at Archer raising rent and evicting 30 percent of the building composed of Section 8 tenants. Obviously, drug dealers don't need housing subsidies. Prior to renovations, Archer hallways literally smelled like weed. I was just there NYE and noted how clean the building now is. In addition, you can't even open the door on the W9th side without a key card. My building in the Warehouse District asks for employer, occupation, and annual income as part of rental application. I don't know how strict other apartment buildings are in checking tenants. I went to a private high school that had a major problem with drug dealers in my class, so it's not something that's linked to socioeconomic status. EDIT: @HomaBush "UPDATE: Police say initial investigation finds officers responded to robbery &found victims--suspects fled. #downtowncle" Definitely a drug deal gone bad...
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