There is normally a strike method used.  A listing of arbitrators is given to both parties and/or contained in the CBA.  The parties then take turns striking the names until a final selection is made.

 

I also would warn people against making judgments based solely on the facts as reported by the PD.  Unless you have read the transcripts and seen the exhibits used at the hearing, you don't have a full picture and can't possibly make a determination on whether sufficient cause was presented to warrant termination as opposed to some other significant form of discipline.

a student was also mugged around noon this past Monday at the corner of Overlook and N. Park by four guys who got out of an SVU.

 

Before that (last week sometime?) a similar thing happened to another student around E123 & Euclid which is right by the UCPD.

 

There was also one at Murray Hill and Edgehill (by Valentino's).  All three of these were called "peripheries", but this last one is mid campus, possibly even on the Case Quad itself.

#JudicialRacesMatter Cop who sexted crime victims should get job back, court rules  https://t.co/QzzunxICl2

 

Completely and utterly amazing. This is one of those magic articles that conjures up every human emotion imaginable for the reader....it's funny, it's terrifying but it's mostly sad.

 

This sentence is my favorite:

In a blistering dissent, Judge Timothy McCormack blasted the arbitrator's decision as "a stagnant pool of rancid, stenchful waste."

 

#JudicialRacesMatter Cop who sexted crime victims should get job back, court rules  https://t.co/QzzunxICl2

 

#JudicialEndorsementsMatter.

 

Ugh.  You all are completely wrong on this one.  Both the common pleas court's and the court of appeals' decisions were correct and the rationale of McCormack's dissent is contrary to law.  If one of the other appellate judges had joined with him, the Ohio Supreme Court would have almost certainly reversed that ruling. 

 

The DECISION to return this cop to work was rendered by the arbitrator in a FINAL and BINDING arbitration.  Arbitration is a form of alternative dispute resolution, which is highly encouraged in our legal system.  It is not intended to be an exhibition game.  You don't get to "appeal" an arbitration decision.  What you can do is file an application to vacate the decision.  To grant such an application, which is exceedingly rare, the judges can't simply determine that they would've reached a different result.  The arbitrator could even misapply the law and, in Ohio, the courts can't vacate the decision.  Only when the arbitrator is found to have clearly exceeded his authority under the contract can the courts vacate the decision.

 

So knock the arbitrator and his decision all you want.  But don't pretend that these judges were allowed to conduct a de novo review of the decision and supplant it with one of their own.  If that were the case, people would never agree to arbitrate disputes and the court dockets would be even more crowded than they are now.

 

Thank you.

^You're welcome.  And I would add that if any of the judges were pandering for votes/endorsements, it was the one writing the dissent.  Politicians do this all the time when they vote no only after they know they measure will pass.  It's a convenient way to get political cover.

#JudicialRacesMatter Cop who sexted crime victims should get job back, court rules  https://t.co/QzzunxICl2

 

Completely and utterly amazing. This is one of those magic articles that conjures up every human emotion imaginable for the reader....it's funny, it's terrifying but it's mostly sad.

 

This sentence is my favorite:

In a blistering dissent, Judge Timothy McCormack blasted the arbitrator's decision as "a stagnant pool of rancid, stenchful waste."

 

#JudicialRacesMatter Cop who sexted crime victims should get job back, court rules  https://t.co/QzzunxICl2

 

#JudicialEndorsementsMatter.

 

Ugh.  You all are completely wrong on this one.  Both the common pleas court's and the court of appeals' decisions were correct and the rationale of McCormack's dissent is contrary to law.  If one of the other appellate judges had joined with him, the Ohio Supreme Court would have almost certainly reversed that ruling. 

 

The DECISION to return this cop to work was rendered by the arbitrator in a FINAL and BINDING arbitration.  Arbitration is a form of alternative dispute resolution, which is highly encouraged in our legal system.  It is not intended to be an exhibition game.  You don't get to "appeal" an arbitration decision.  What you can do is file an application to vacate the decision.  To grant such an application, which is exceedingly rare, the judges can't simply determine that they would've reached a different result.  The arbitrator could even misapply the law and, in Ohio, the courts can't vacate the decision.  Only when the arbitrator is found to have clearly exceeded his authority under the contract can the courts vacate the decision.

 

So knock the arbitrator and his decision all you want.  But don't pretend that these judges were allowed to conduct a de novo review of the decision and supplant it with one of their own.  If that were the case, people would never agree to arbitrate disputes and the court dockets would be even more crowded than they are now.

 

Why am I wrong? All I gave was my opinion on how reading the story made me feel.

 

 

^My bad

^You're welcome.  And I would add that if any of the judges were pandering for votes/endorsements, it was the one writing the dissent.  Politicians do this all the time when they vote no only after they know they measure will pass.  It's a convenient way to get political cover.

 

Yep.  Some judges are true politicians.  I think many people forget this.

No such thing as unbiased reporting. We all turn to articles that we find comfortable and agreeable with our own biases.

No such thing as unbiased reporting. We all turn to articles that we find comfortable and agreeable with our own biases.

 

Reporters and journalists are not supposed to bring their own biases into things but today the media in the U.S. is an embarrassment.  Digging up Slate.com though to prove a point is just pathetic.

 

Reporters and journalists are not supposed to bring their own biases into things but today the media in the U.S. is an embarrassment.  Digging up Slate.com though to prove a point is just pathetic.

 

Unless someone was born the day before they were hired as a reporter, their experiences will ALWAYS shape their reporting. No one is a robot. A reporter's biggest barrier to getting the most accurate story is themselves.

 

 

Unless someone was born the day before they were hired as a reporter, their experiences will ALWAYS shape their reporting. No one is a robot. A reporter's biggest barrier to getting the most accurate story is themselves.

 

Which is why ''journalism'' is a joke.  The media is a joke.  Everyone points to whatever their agenda is in the media for validation.  Pointing out Rachel Maddow's Trump snippets...please.  Stop.  Or using Slate.com to validate a point. 

 

Journalism is a fallen profession like most others today; it's all about schools taking money and churning out unskilled and immature graduates...and, oh yeah, there really aren't that many jobs for any of these people.  Enjoy your student loan debt in the meantime.

I've responded here so that we can keep this thread on topic.....

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,18571.msg794528.html#msg794528

Five men shot in Cleveland in six-hour span overnight

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/03/five_men_shot_in_cleveland_in.html

Out of curiosity - is it standard protocol with the PD to not list race in the description of either the suspect or the victim? Other news stations report it more accurately. It was an issue when CWRU issued some bulletins with accurate descriptions of the suspects - including race, which the PD omitted. It makes it hard to find suspects when you can't even get an accurate picture of who you are even looking for.

I believe they do not report it as they were accused repeatedly of being biased against black people in the comments.

^^Pretty much yes. The Plain Dealer/Cleveland.com won't publish an unidentified (and un-apprehended)* suspect's race unless an editor believes there is enough of a description to actually be useful for identifying him or her. There is all sorts of outrage about the policy, and it is a little heavy-handed, but the idea that adding race and nothing else to a blotter item will be of practical use is sort of ridiculous.

 

*This is a nuance many of the morons who comment on the Cle.com website miss. If an un-apprehended suspect's identity is known, the PD does publish information about him or her, and often even a photo, if available.

 

EDIT: here's some discussion about the policy from the paper's former "reader rep": http://www.cleveland.com/readers/index.ssf/2014/07/the_complex_issue_of_identifyi.html

 

[Edited for further clarification]

Thank you! I know with the CWRU case, it was a group of four in a SUV that was pulling up, robbing people and driving off. As it has happened with some frequency, there are good descriptions of the suspects - which struck me as odd that it wasn't being reported.

^^Pretty much yes. The Plain Dealer/Cleveland.com won't publish an unidentified (and un-apprehended)* suspect's race unless an editor believes there is enough of a description to actually be useful for identifying him or her. There is all sorts of outrage about the policy, and it is a little heavy-handed, but the idea that adding race and nothing else to a blotter item will be of practical use is sort of ridiculous.

 

*This is a nuance many of the morons who comment on the Cle.com website miss. If an un-apprehended suspect's identity is known, the PD does publish information about him or her, and often even a photo, if available.

 

EDIT: here's some discussion about the policy from the paper's former "reader rep": http://www.cleveland.com/readers/index.ssf/2014/07/the_complex_issue_of_identifyi.html

 

[Edited for further clarification]

 

It never failed to amaze me that the PeeDee had as a "reader rep" someone who was once held liable for libel (try saying that fast) by the United States Supreme Court.

Police response to alarm at U.S. Senator’s home takes 2 hours

 

http://fox8.com/2016/04/05/police-response-to-alarm-at-u-s-senators-home-takes-2-hours/

 

This article is interesting for multiple reasons. One thing I think is pertinent that was left out...was whether or not the alarm did end up being false. Also the differences between Zack Reed and Sherrod Brown (local vs seasoned politician).

 

Reed: Senators needs special treatment

Brown: I shouldn't be treated different than anyone else, just trying to help.

 

Also, unless I read it wrong it was almost an hour, not two hours. Still completely horrible.

I believe they do not report it as they were accused repeatedly of being biased against black people in the comments.

 

I have never seen that, but I do notice that every single comments section on crime is littered with quite the opposite..... that being, people rushing to comment and point out that race is NOT mentioned.  As Strap said, the PD/NEOMG made a decision (much like many other media outlets) that vague descriptions of someone's race which will in no way help nab the suspects will not be given.  How does it help to say they are looking for a black man on Cleveland's east side, medium size, medium build?  Or, for that matter, a white guy in Parma?  If they have a picture, security cam footage, or something more substantive, they usually publish it.  If all they have is a general description, they won't.  There have also been plenty of incidents in which race was misreported.

Where do Sen Brown & his wife live in Cleveland?  For some reason I thought they lived in Avon

No idea, but I would guess the same area Mayor Campbell lived..... that little area just southwest of Coventry and Shaker.

Where do Sen Brown & his wife live in Cleveland?  For some reason I thought they lived in Avon

 

AVON, Ohio -- U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown and his wife, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Connie Schultz, are planning to move this fall from their home in suburban Avon to the Mill Creek neighborhood of Cleveland.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/tipoff/index.ssf/2013/07/us_senator_sherrod_browns_move.html

Yes they moved to the Mill Creek neighborhood a couple of years ago.  It was mostly a "putting there money where there mouth is" kind of thing...  I know Connie was getting a lot of flack for preaching this and that while living in Bay Village/Avon (even on this board).

Yes they moved to the Mill Creek neighborhood a couple of years ago.  It was mostly a "putting there money where there mouth is" kind of thing...  I know Connie was getting a lot of flack for preaching this and that while living in Bay Village/Avon (even on this board).

As long as he was in Congress he had to live in his district which was all suburban.

 

But Mill Creek is the development that went in when Turney Tech got torn down.  Some here have objected to "suburbs in the city", well if there ever was such a thing....

In Canada, death by drug overdose is considered murder...

 

Cuyahoga County heroin, fentanyl overdoses kill 12 in six days

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/04/cuyahoga_county_heroin_fentany.html

Awww s***....

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/serial-pooper-on-the-loose-in-ohio-city

it seems like Cleveland, east side especially, is going through a really rough stretch.  Multiple shootings is becoming the norm for the weekend. 

 

Councilman Zach Reed witnessed a shootout right in front of him.  http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/05/cleveland_councilman_zack_reed_8.html#incart_m-rpt-1

 

And a Cleveland RTA bus was hit by a stray bullet on the west side.  WTF!!!

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/cleveland/stray-bullet-hits-cleveland-rta-bus/182461019

IMO this is what happens when we cut bait on bad neighborhoods.  There comes a point where it doesn't matter how nice downtown is.  These neighborhoods require urban development triage because they've been allowed to fall so far into misery.  No one should have to live like that, not in Cleveland.

IMO this is what happens when we cut bait on bad neighborhoods.  There comes a point where it doesn't matter how nice downtown is.  These neighborhoods require urban development triage because they've been allowed to fall so far into misery.  No one should have to live like that, not in Cleveland.

 

Might as well pile on. A friend who lives in Detroit Shoreway witnessed several individuals with guns chasing another individual through the neighborhood. No shots fired. The guy got away after getting rid of everything in his pockets and climbing over bared wire fence. Afterward there were guys looking all around with flashilights, presumably for whatever the fleeing guy got rid of. This all happened just south of Detroit Ave near 58th.

IMO this is what happens when we cut bait on bad neighborhoods.  There comes a point where it doesn't matter how nice downtown is.  These neighborhoods require urban development triage because they've been allowed to fall so far into misery.  No one should have to live like that, not in Cleveland.

 

Might as well pile on. A friend who lives in Detroit Shoreway witnessed several individuals with guns chasing another individual through the neighborhood. No shots fired. The guy got away after getting rid of everything in his pockets and climbing over bared wire fence. Afterward there were guys looking all around with flashilights, presumably for whatever the fleeing guy got rid of. This all happened just south of Detroit Ave near 58th.

 

Geesh.  When was this?

IMO this is what happens when we cut bait on bad neighborhoods.  There comes a point where it doesn't matter how nice downtown is.  These neighborhoods require urban development triage because they've been allowed to fall so far into misery.  No one should have to live like that, not in Cleveland.

 

Might as well pile on. A friend who lives in Detroit Shoreway witnessed several individuals with guns chasing another individual through the neighborhood. No shots fired. The guy got away after getting rid of everything in his pockets and climbing over bared wire fence. Afterward there were guys looking all around with flashilights, presumably for whatever the fleeing guy got rid of. This all happened just south of Detroit Ave near 58th.

 

Geesh.  When was this?

 

Thursday.

^ really bizarre how the heart of Gordon Square (65+Detroit) feels untouchable to me, and the lack of crime would support it ...but there has been a few issues now over at 58th and Detroit and Happy Dog always has a ton of people.  That abandoned house just south of it doesn't help and the other corner parking lot is pretty dark.  Would like to see more energy over there when Astoria opens

^ really bizarre how the heart of Gordon Square (65+Detroit) feels untouchable to me, and the lack of crime would support it ...but there has been a few issues now over at 58th and Detroit and Happy Dog always has a ton of people.  That abandoned house just south of it doesn't help and the other corner parking lot is pretty dark.  Would like to see more energy over there when Astoria opens

 

Agreed. Astoria is another bright spot. I don't think the vacant, trouble-attracting houses will be vacant for much longer.

it seems like Cleveland, east side especially, is going through a really rough stretch.  Multiple shootings is becoming the norm for the weekend. 

 

Councilman Zach Reed witnessed a shootout right in front of him.  http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/05/cleveland_councilman_zack_reed_8.html#incart_m-rpt-1

 

And a Cleveland RTA bus was hit by a stray bullet on the west side.  WTF!!!

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/cleveland/stray-bullet-hits-cleveland-rta-bus/182461019

 

The weather is getting nicer, and that always increases misbehavior.  Plus, there's one major (HF-LA) and several satellite gang wars still going on.

I guess I can add that the trend of carrying realistic BB guns (powered by CO2 cartridges) is only increasing. I have a friend who is a Cleveland PO who is now afraid to pursue any report of any underage teenager/kid with a gun/BB gun out of fear of repeating a Tamir Rice incident. Knowing that, these gangs are going around, sticking up people or hijacking cars with BB guns. (They busted one gang doing just that in Cleveland and many suburbs the other day.)

 

Having seen these BB guns and actual guns - you cannot tell the difference.

 

Heck, the police can't even pursue ATV/dirtbike gangs roaming the city. I witnessed two go down Euclid at a high rate of speed the other afternoon while walking to my car near CWRU. They were speeding between cars, in the bike lane and on sidewalks at well over 35 MPH without regard for anyone.

How many dirtbikes are registered in the city?  I saw one doing what you describe, can't remember if it was Lee Rd or 131st.  It was very Mad Max.

I've never seen any licensed, and at any rate, they are classified as off-road motorcycles and ATV's which are not allowed on these types of highways. I've seen a few by CWRU, plenty in East Cleveland, a few over by Superior and some down in Buckeye-Shaker, but none in downtown, Shaker Square or in Ohio City.

I'm thinking they shouldn't be that hard to track down if you can't legitimately have one.  Drugs are easy to hide, motorcycles not so much.  I realize the city has an abundance of secret lairs available.  But these kids aren't supervillains and Cleveland has quite a lot of police per capita.  Just take their bikes away.

I agree on that - but I wonder if BLM or some other group would come out of the woodwork with the stance of profiling. Since it's easy to stash a dirt bike or ATV behind a house - and they are legal to own, there isn't much that can be done to remove it from the premises. Chasing them down isn't feasible in today's political climate (for now). Some states, like West Virginia, allow dirt bikes and ATV's on rural routes and only for short distances, in response to a high number of users and to a political reality that taking away these cheap(er) modes of transport would be a dark mark in an area that can barely afford cars and more expensive insurance. The legalization of those types of vehicles also opens up a can of worms - how do you gauge how far someone has driven on a public roadway? And what if they injure themselves or others?

I guess I can add that the trend of carrying realistic BB guns (powered by CO2 cartridges) is only increasing. I have a friend who is a Cleveland PO who is now afraid to pursue any report of any underage teenager/kid with a gun/BB gun out of fear of repeating a Tamir Rice incident. Knowing that, these gangs are going around, sticking up people or hijacking cars with BB guns. (They busted one gang doing just that in Cleveland and many suburbs the other day.)

 

Having seen these BB guns and actual guns - you cannot tell the difference.

 

Heck, the police can't even pursue ATV/dirtbike gangs roaming the city. I witnessed two go down Euclid at a high rate of speed the other afternoon while walking to my car near CWRU. They were speeding between cars, in the bike lane and on sidewalks at well over 35 MPH without regard for anyone.

 

I suspect anyone who's spent any significant time in the inner city will concur that regular bicycles are the vehicles of choice for street level pharmaceutical distributors.  Though I suppose that may have changed if the pursuit rules have changed.

^These kids are likely just joyriding on their toys.  I did the same thing when I was a teenager only I lived in the country so it was through fields and country roads.  I HIGHLY doubt there is any drug distribution taking place on these vehicles.  They're too visible.

I agree on that - but I wonder if BLM or some other group would come out of the woodwork with the stance of profiling. Since it's easy to stash a dirt bike or ATV behind a house - and they are legal to own, there isn't much that can be done to remove it from the premises. Chasing them down isn't feasible in today's political climate (for now). Some states, like West Virginia, allow dirt bikes and ATV's on rural routes and only for short distances, in response to a high number of users and to a political reality that taking away these cheap(er) modes of transport would be a dark mark in an area that can barely afford cars and more expensive insurance. The legalization of those types of vehicles also opens up a can of worms - how do you gauge how far someone has driven on a public roadway? And what if they injure themselves or others?

 

If there's a dirtbike and no trailer, certain inferences can be made, like you have no intention of taking it out in the hills somewhere to ride it.  If that's the claim, grill them about details and maybe they slip up.  I wonder how many of these kids have solid cover stories about preparing for a run at professional MX.

 

Chasing them down shouldn't be necessary.  I'm still confused how a fleet of Interceptors couldn't get in front of a 1979 Malibu, so yeah I'd rule that out.  And this has nothing to do with using the bikes to sell drugs... you can't ride them in the city regardless.  Bicycles you can.

I agree on that - but I wonder if BLM or some other group would come out of the woodwork with the stance of profiling. Since it's easy to stash a dirt bike or ATV behind a house - and they are legal to own, there isn't much that can be done to remove it from the premises. Chasing them down isn't feasible in today's political climate (for now). Some states, like West Virginia, allow dirt bikes and ATV's on rural routes and only for short distances, in response to a high number of users and to a political reality that taking away these cheap(er) modes of transport would be a dark mark in an area that can barely afford cars and more expensive insurance. The legalization of those types of vehicles also opens up a can of worms - how do you gauge how far someone has driven on a public roadway? And what if they injure themselves or others?

 

If there's a dirtbike and no trailer, certain inferences can be made, like you have no intention of taking it out in the hills somewhere to ride it.  If that's the claim, grill them about details and maybe they slip up.  I wonder how many of these kids have solid cover stories about preparing for a run at professional MX.

 

Chasing them down shouldn't be necessary.  I'm still confused how a fleet of Interceptors couldn't get in front of a 1979 Malibu, so yeah I'd rule that out.  And this has nothing to do with using the bikes to sell drugs... you can't ride them in the city regardless.  Bicycles you can.

 

My friend who is an avid rider tells me that the chances of a patrol car catching a fleeing dirt bike are close to zero.

 

Now the atv guys I'm guessing are sitting ducks.

There is a ton of misinformation going around about pursuit rules and the rules of engagement.  Some of it, I'm sure, is blowback from the police to what they perceive as being demonized in the infamous pursuit case and the Tamir Rice incident.  It's a tough situation, for sure.  Police work always is.  But I'm still shocked by what comes out of some cops mouths on this issue..... or what someone's 'roommates brother' who is a cop supposedly said.  It is either a bad game of telephone or the Department of Public Safety is not properly educating their employees (no surprise there).  Both the pursuit case and the Rice incident were examples of the police not following existing SOPs/SOGs.  While nothing criminal may have occurred, no one who is even slightly educated on the issue would suggest that there was a sound adherence to policy.

Okay, in the City of Cleveland, how much difference does a neighborhood watch make when dealing with issues such as a strong increase in non-resident loiterers with open containers.

 

I'm talking Beulah Park area, specifically the northern end of E. 156th where it dead ends at the lake. 

Not sure - there is a lot of newer folks in Shaker Square that have been proactive and watching like a hawk of any activity (myself included). A few of us have banded together to pick up any trash we see on our walks. I take a bag to work so that when I come home, I can pick up any garbage from my car/bus to my building. Most days I can fill up a plastic bag. A little bit helps.

Multiple RTA bus stops come under gunfire in Cleveland

 

Cynthia Holmberg

9:21 AM, Jun 10, 2016

 

CLEVELAND - Multiple bus stops have been shot at in Cleveland over the last several days.

 

Some stops are on Detroit Avenue west of West 25th Street, according to the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority.

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/multiple-rta-bus-stops-come-under-gunfire-in-cleveland

Fare hikes, man.