August 12, 20213 yr I think these “City within a city” projects will prosper as we go further into the 21st century - particularly in larger markets where commuting is even more of a difficulty than it is in Cleveland, but here as well. The conveniences offered by such self-contained live/work buildings will surely appeal to a busy professional who loves the idea of saving an hour or two of commuting time every day - especially in a post pandemic society. It will be great to see residents and new energy in the Ohio Bell tower.
August 12, 20213 yr Author Might see that in the old Sherwin Williams headquarters too. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 13, 20213 yr Hi y'all, it's not perfect and I'll probably tweak this a bit with some sleep but here's the Population Trends from 2020-2010 and 2020-2000 in Cuyahoga County by Census Tract. I know it's not 'random development' but I figure for those of you not floating in the Population Trends discussion on the other side of the forum this could be helpful. https://cuyahoga.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=6b2e8f72c8124f9a8ad3239b9c8c45dd I'm basing this off of the data that was released today and a join to the older data on the backend, so it's not perfect but it should give a general idea of what's going on. Once Census releases their full gamut of data in September I'll be a lot more confident in the overall data.
August 20, 20213 yr On 2/3/2021 at 11:28 PM, KJP said: Any site(s) picked yet? I thought you did an article on this
August 20, 20213 yr Author 4 minutes ago, MrR said: I thought you did an article on this If I did, it was just a blurb in Seeds & Sprouts. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 25, 20213 yr This is where the CashStop used to be at 655 Prospect. They've been working on the interior for a while now.
August 25, 20213 yr 7 minutes ago, GISguy said: This is where the CashStop used to be at 655 Prospect. They've been working on the interior for a while now. OK I'll ask. Is this just a small branch office to service all downtown projects (since they are headquartered in Mentor) or is this a site office for a specific project (aren't they the CM for Nucleus)?
August 25, 20213 yr Probably more connected to the upcoming City Club Apartment building than nucleus. Edited August 25, 20213 yr by Clefan98
August 25, 20213 yr Based on the signage (world class?) I would guess this is a permanent office, and not just a temporary field office. Can't imagine they would go through all that permitting and spend money on that signage if it was just going to be a temp place.
August 26, 20213 yr Author Turns out the new field office is for more than just the City Club Apartments, so I'm putting this in both that thread and this..... THURSDAY, AUGUST 26, 2021 Cleveland Construction Inc. fields a good sign for downtown Sometimes a sign about the future prospects of downtown construction is just that -- a sign. And what better place to put that sign about future prospects than on Prospect Avenue? Crews this week were working inside and out while renovating a 3,160-square-foot storefront at 645 Prospect Ave. for Cleveland Construction Inc. which signed a three-year lease in June for a ground-floor space in the parking deck for K&D Group's Residences at 668 on Euclid Ave. Among the renovations is a sign for the Mentor-based construction firm, affixed above the storefront. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/08/cleveland-construction-inc-fields-good.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 26, 20213 yr The best development site near Progressive Field is the parking lot at the north-west corner of E. 9th & Bolivar. Much bigger than Geis site and a new mid-rise would look directly into the baseball field.
August 26, 20213 yr 7 hours ago, sky said: The best development site near Progressive Field is the parking lot at the north-west corner of E. 9th & Bolivar. Much bigger than Geis site and a new mid-rise would look directly into the baseball field. I could swear there was a hotel proposed for that spot 15-20 years ago.
August 27, 20213 yr 38 minutes ago, marty15 said: I could swear there was a hotel proposed for that spot 15-20 years ago. There was a hotel proposed, but I believe it was at the southwest corner of 9th & Bolivar.
August 27, 20213 yr 16 hours ago, marty15 said: I could swear there was a hotel proposed for that spot 15-20 years ago. @LibertyBlvd & @marty15 There was! The Cavs and Indians wanted to purchase land at East 9th & Bolivar in 1998, but the city refused to sell them the property. "JACOBS PLANS GATEWAY HOTEL LIMITED-SERVICE COURTYARD BY MARRIOTT OVERLOOKING RIGHT-CENTER FIELD WILL HAVE 252 ROOMS ON 14 FLOORS" There was an accompanying photo in the paper that I remember well, but am unable to dig up online. Anyone here with a Cleveland Public Library Card might be better able to pull it up from records you have access to locally via the always amazing CPL. The project architect was the late G.R. Portman Architects of Atlanta. Article from Gale General one File (DC Public Library) January 9, 1998 | Plain Dealer, The (Cleveland, OH) Author/Byline: BILL LUBINGER PLAIN DEALER REPORTER | Page: 1C | Section: BUSINESS - Later that year - "CITY BLOCKS GATEWAY HOTEL DEAL TRUSTEES CANCEL SALE OF LAND NEXT TO JACOBS FIELD" Article from Gale General One File: December 19, 1998 | Plain Dealer, The (Cleveland, OH) Author/Byline: JAMES F. SWEENEY PLAIN DEALER REPORTER | Page: 1B | Section: METRO Apparently, Mayor Michael R. White didn't want to lose any of the elegant "green space" on East 9th street for a hotel - LOL, gag! Seems more like a sweet deal wasn't offered to Hizzoner, so he pushed back on the deal through the words of his nasty toady-sidekick Ken Silliman. "Plans to build a Marriott hotel next to Jacobs Field collapsed because the city blocked the sale of the land by Gateway Economic Development Corp, and Gateway trustees voted to cancel the sale of the parcel the joint venture of the Indians & Cavs for $2.5 million. 'It's certainly distressing, if only because of all the work we put in on it," said Martin J. Cleary, president of the Richard E. Jacobs Group, which was to build the hotel. Richard E. Jacobs owns the Indians." Edited August 27, 20213 yr by ExPatClevGuy
August 27, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, ExPatClevGuy said: There was an accompanying photo in the paper that I remember well, but am unable to dig up online. You talkin' 'bout deez?
August 28, 20213 yr On 8/25/2021 at 4:20 PM, Htsguy said: OK I'll ask. Is this just a small branch office to service all downtown projects (since they are headquartered in Mentor) or is this a site office for a specific project (aren't they the CM for Nucleus)? Actually ran into a Cleveland Construction project manager at dinner tonight and he said they have ten years of projects scheduled between downtown and midtown. That location and signage is here to stay.
August 28, 20213 yr 11 minutes ago, stpats44113 said: Actually ran into a Cleveland Construction project manager at dinner tonight and he said they have ten years of projects scheduled between downtown and midtown. That location and signage is here to stay. Cleveland is on the rise in every way… and in all areas! So looking forward to what’s next… because obviously there’s more coming!
September 8, 20213 yr https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/cleveland-city-council-releases-administrations-parking-meter-proposal Welcome to the 21st century folks!
September 9, 20213 yr 18 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/cleveland-city-council-releases-administrations-parking-meter-proposal Welcome to the 21st century folks! Could you give a synopsis for us non-subscribers?
September 9, 20213 yr 4 hours ago, Cleburger said: Could you give a synopsis for us non-subscribers? https://clevelandcitycouncil.org/news-resources/current-news/2021/cleveland-s-plan-for-new-parking-meters
September 9, 20213 yr Kerry McCormack Had to Threaten Jackson Admin with Lawsuit to Get Parking Meter Study He Pushed For Sam Allard - Scene - Sep. 9, 2021 "But the plan, which was created in 2019 by the firm Desman Design Management, was kept under wraps by Mayor Frank Jackson's administration. Ward 3 Councilman Kerry McCormack has long been council's most vocal advocate for modernized parking meters. He told WEWS Channel 5 that he had to file a public records request to obtain the plan from the city. And in comments to Scene, he said that city council's lawyers were hours away from filing a lawsuit against the administration in the Cuyahoga County Court of Common Pleas to force their hand."
September 9, 20213 yr This is so pathetic. It seems that everyone in the city, including the current mayor, is just waiting for a new mayor before anything can happen.
September 9, 20213 yr 6 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: This is so pathetic. It seems that everyone in the city, including the current mayor, is just waiting for a new mayor before anything can happen. What Frank Jackson lacks in leadership, he makes up for in malaise.
September 9, 20213 yr Author 8 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: This is so pathetic. It seems that everyone in the city, including the current mayor, is just waiting for a new mayor before anything can happen. Correct. If it isn't already a program, project or city function, it's not going to start happening until at least January. BTW, we have a thread for this..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 9, 20213 yr 15 minutes ago, surfohio said: What Frank Jackson lacks in leadership, he makes up for in malaise. Sigh.... None of this would have happened if Frank Jackson was still alive
September 9, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, mrclifton88 said: This is so pathetic. It seems that everyone in the city, including the current mayor, is just waiting for a new mayor before anything can happen. This started long before the mayoral election. City government is currently dysfunctional. No one wants to do their regular jobs, let alone some sort of long term infrastructure planning like parking meters. My bet is the I-Team could run a daily story on every department in the City of Cleveland if they had the time.
September 10, 20213 yr So this might not be the correct thread but walking to the bus I looked up above winking lizard and city year looks all but abandoned in their office space. I don't know the ins and outs of this building but could it be a sign of some development? I'm probably reading too far into this. Up until now I assumed that WL kept their lease on the space in anticipation of a better business climate. Edited September 10, 20213 yr by GISguy
September 21, 20213 yr Author 2 minutes ago, Htsguy said: You know people keep saying this but I can only think of 4 Cleveland projects that are realistically in a position to seek a TMUD credit currently. 1. Nucleus 2. Centennial 3. Bridgeworks 4. 45 Erieview (maybe according to a Ken blog post) Maybe Circle Square which is already under construction. All others seem too conceptual at this point to be considered by the state at this point. There is probably a better thread for this discussion. Redirecting from the FEB thread.... @Htsguy I don't see 45 Erieview as being the subject of a TMUD application. The buyers claim to have the financing but I have my doubts. They are big-time talkers but also seem to get things done despite themselves. 45 Erieview would certainly qualify. Erieview Tower is another matter. Here's my list of likely project applications this year or next: 1. nuCLEus 2. Centennial 3. Bridgeworks 4. Erieview Tower 5. Magellan Tower 6. Unidentified downtown apartment building 7. Bedrock/Rocket Mortgage office building/possibly a residential companion 8. Circle Square office tower "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 21, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Here's my list of likely project applications this year or next: 1. nuCLEus 2. Centennial 3. Bridgeworks 4. Erieview Tower 5. Magellan Tower 6. Unidentified downtown apartment building 7. Bedrock/Rocket Mortgage office building/possibly a residential companion 8. Circle Square office tower I'm speculating number 6 on the list refers to Lumen phase 2?? 👀
September 21, 20213 yr Author 2 hours ago, clandman1123 said: I'm speculating number 6 on the list refers to Lumen phase 2?? 👀 No, it's actually referring to two projects but I'm not sure which one may be submitted. Who knows, maybe both will! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 21, 20213 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: Redirecting from the FEB thread.... @Htsguy I don't see 45 Erieview as being the subject of a TMUD application. The buyers claim to have the financing but I have my doubts. They are big-time talkers but also seem to get things done despite themselves. 45 Erieview would certainly qualify. Erieview Tower is another matter. Here's my list of likely project applications this year or next: 1. nuCLEus 2. Centennial 3. Bridgeworks 4. Erieview Tower 5. Magellan Tower 6. Unidentified downtown apartment building 7. Bedrock/Rocket Mortgage office building/possibly a residential companion 8. Circle Square office tower I'd add to the list Westinghouse unless that is dead and I didn't realize it. See, this is a lot of stuff. These could eat up nearly all of the TMUD credits for cities for the next four years, and these are just the projects we know about, just the projects in Cleveland, and just the projects dreamt up already. That's why I breathe a sigh of relief every time I see a project that's NOT seeking a TMUD, because some of the projects on that list are really, really exciting and important projects, and every additional TMUD applicant just makes it more likely the above will fail.
September 21, 20213 yr Author Yes, I forgot. Westinghouse should be in there. Might throw Richman Brothers in there at some point too (maybe not this year or next). I've just not heard anything about interested parties pursuing it. But there are always surprises. EDIT: just thought of another one.....Intro phase 2. So, we have: 1. nuCLEus 2. Centennial 3. Bridgeworks 4. Erieview Tower 5. Magellan Tower 6. Unidentified downtown apartment building 7. Bedrock/Rocket Mortgage office building/possibly a residential companion 8. Circle Square office tower 9. Westinghouse 10. Intro/Market Square phase 2 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 21, 20213 yr I'm guessing "Unidentified downtown apartment building" is the Geis project on East 9th and Bolivar.
September 21, 20213 yr Author 17 minutes ago, X said: I'm guessing "Unidentified downtown apartment building" is the Geis project on East 9th and Bolivar. Is their for-sale sign still up? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 21, 20213 yr Speak of the devil. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/ohio-rolls-out-long-awaited-tax-credit-application-transformational-projects First round is open. Deadline is October 29 at 5 PM. Deadline for deciding who wins is unknown.
September 21, 20213 yr 4 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: Speak of the devil. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/ohio-rolls-out-long-awaited-tax-credit-application-transformational-projects First round is open. Deadline is October 29 at 5 PM. Deadline for deciding who wins is unknown. Thanks for that deadline information. I was wondering when it was and was hoping it was sooner rather than later. And going back to my response to your post earlier today re: not that many project are CURRENTLY fighting for the credit this round in Cleveland (4 or less), Yes all the other projects suggested by Ken are possible application candidates but I doubt they are right now as they are very conceptual (some not even really announced even though we talk about them on the forum) so that was my original point. And unfortunately history has shown that one or more could simply disappear credit or no credit.
September 21, 20213 yr As a follow up....Given the limited amount of credits per round/year I think a project has to be practically shovel ready in order to get any serious consideration (and have their financing ducks in order) for an urban credit. I don't really study the Cincy and Columbus threads in detail but I cannot think of that many projects that fit this definition right now in those cities (although again I could be wrong). Given I think only 3 Cleveland projects are going to get serous consideration this first round (Nucleus, Centennial and Bridgeworks) my best guess is that there are only 7-8 urban projects in the whole state that fit my shovel ready definition. Unfortunately that still might mean some are going to be out of luck.
September 21, 20213 yr 39 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Thanks for that deadline information. I was wondering when it was and was hoping it was sooner rather than later. And going back to my response to your post earlier today re: not that many project are CURRENTLY fighting for the credit this round in Cleveland (4 or less), Yes all the other projects suggested by Ken are possible application candidates but I doubt they are right now as they are very conceptual (some not even really announced even though we talk about them on the forum) so that was my original point. And unfortunately history has shown that one or more could simply disappear credit or no credit. Edit: I replied before I saw your more recent comment and you hit all the points I wanted to make. Edited September 21, 20213 yr by LlamaLawyer
September 21, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Is their for-sale sign still up? It definitely was last night. I’m at the ballpark again tonight, so will take a look after the game. My hovercraft is full of eels
September 21, 20213 yr Here are some excerpts from the instructions on things the tax credit authority wants to know about. Looks like projects that are close to public transit and contain larger retail, office, and hotel components will score better. Stark should be happy.
September 22, 20213 yr Author 4 hours ago, CleveFan said: If not, then we’ve got a mystery project pending… Yes "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 22, 20213 yr 2 minutes ago, KJP said: Yes Size wise, would this be on the low end of the 15 story, 350k minimum for TMUD, or bigger?
September 22, 20213 yr Author 10 minutes ago, scg80 said: Size wise, would this be on the low end of the 15 story, 350k minimum for TMUD, or bigger? Not sure yet. Possibly on the low end. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 22, 20213 yr 14 hours ago, KJP said: Is their for-sale sign still up? Got carried away enjoying the win last night and forgot to post! Yes, sign is still up. Is it no longer for sale? My hovercraft is full of eels
September 22, 20213 yr Author 38 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: Got carried away enjoying the win last night and forgot to post! Yes, sign is still up. Is it no longer for sale? They never listed it among their available properties, even though they said they would. Not sure what to think. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 22, 20213 yr @KJP noticed you posts in the Central and Southwest threads. With those in mind do you know how much in credits are available this round and whether the state actually has to award the full amount available?
September 22, 20213 yr Here is another thing to munch on. @LlamaLawyerposted some of the criteria the tax credit authority is considering when reviewing applications. I know we all think Nucleus is a strong candidate but I wonder if they are not shooting themselves in the foot keeping their current plans under wraps and not having gone to the various boards for approval of current plans. This seems to be a big point with the agency and it apparently wants a detailed explanation of status (something as small as discussions with planning staff but full approval or a timeline for full approval would seems to be more impressive). I know they have been to planning commission on some level before (was it schematic?) but that was ages ago with a different idea. I am sure they can impress upon the authority that they can move quickly in this regard but given the competition it might be a concern or tipping point in favor of other projects.
September 22, 20213 yr Author Didn't Stark already get city approval for the larger version of nuCLEus? I can't remember if they did. If so, and they seek a similar or slightly smaller version, then they need only to get a site plan approved for the version they will submit to the state. Same city approval scenario is happening with Flats East Bank phase 3B.... “Having already received entitlements (from the city) for a larger iteration of the project on the same site, we understand the city design parameters,” Ng wrote in an e-mail to NEOtrans. “We have ongoing communications with the city to make them familiar with the current design. Other than building permits, land use is subject only to Site Plan Review, which we expect to complete by January 2022.” https://neo-trans.blog/2021/09/20/flats-east-bank-plans-reveal-84-million-project/ I would think the same thing would apply with nuCLEus, yes? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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