February 8, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, willyboy said: Odd about Macy’s though. Its not like they wouldn't also benefit from the reconfiguration and redo. I was thinking the same. Why wouldn't they want the increased residential foot traffic? Must be a negotiation tactic to get something more from the deal.
February 8, 20223 yr I would imagine that this issue is not even a blimp on the radar in New York with all the other problems the company has so Joe on the 10th floor is not devoting a lot of time to this.
February 8, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Whipjacka said: seems like misuse of eminent domain While use of eminent domain has been restricted, if they do find unpaid taxes that exceed the appraised value, a long-term vacant building, and a failing (and hazardous) parking garage, then eminent domain may very well be in order here to address those problems. Who is responsible for maintaining the parking garage? I don't know what Macy's objections might be, maybe they are just not paying any attention to this property as Htsguy said. It would be interesting to see what the "construction, operation and reciprocal easement agreement" says, maybe that would give us some clue about what Macy's is aiming for if not just neglect.
February 9, 20223 yr A 75% empty shopping center with a dilapidated parking garage really makes me want to go visit and spend money at Macy's! Maybe they know their customers and know that is the type of environment their customers want... /s
February 9, 20223 yr It's the last Macy's on the east side. Edited February 9, 20223 yr by urb-a-saurus Typo
February 9, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said: It's the last Macy's on the east side. exactly. many east siders had expected this one to be on the closure list the past few times, but surprised when Mentor happened and not this one. Unless things get worse for Macy’s, one would think they would want to keep an east side presence.
February 9, 20223 yr Looks like an announcement regarding TMUD awards will not happen until March at the earliest. According to Michelle Jarboe's article in Crains Cleveland regarding the Tower at Erieview, the 5 member Ohio Tax Credit Authority must meet to review all the applications and apparently the body only meets once a month, on the last Monday of the month, which is Feb. 28. Hopefully they actually take care of the applications at this upcoming meeting. If not, we would be looking at April for award announcements, which is starting to get ridiculous, especially since development companies should be gearing up for the new construction season right now. As a side note-I am always amazed how Michelle's articles are always so jam packed with information. What a great reporter.
February 9, 20223 yr You would think awarding $100M and leveraging $1B or so in development might warrant a special meeting- but I guess not. Whatever the cost is to clear this committee's schedule for a week so they can get this done would gladly be paid by the applicants. Call it an admin fee or whatever- it would be pocket change to the recipients.
February 10, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, cadmen said: Government moves at a glacial pace. They sure moved quick to land Intel and Peloton (RIP). When they want to move they move.
February 10, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, MrR said: The biggest categories are 1. tax collection 2. job creation 3. financial commitments out of the 9 proposed in cleveland i would guess that cross country mortgage is the best fit for this scoring chart, and mixed use developments will float up higher than just apartments. I think they have a decent chance if they did a nice job promoting the galleria as a potential spin off project that would eventually include more retail/restaurants and detailing how much cash they have on hand. My understanding is that the scoring is in absolute numbers as opposed to bang for the buck, so to speak. That makes me think Centennial is the most likely project to win because of its massive size.
February 10, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: That makes me think Centennial is the most likely project to win because of its massive size. hope you're right, I hope the selection committee also favor historical remodel over new construction.
February 12, 20223 yr On 1/10/2022 at 9:00 PM, tykaps said: Article about the State's Brownfield Program. It touches on a lot of projects from senior apartments by MetroHealth to The Foundry over in Fairfax to plans for former schools. https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/01/state-brownfield-program-could-spur-development-of-many-contaminated-sites-across-cuyahoga-county.html?outputType=amp New article on this program from Crains with some more projects mentioned: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/applicants-seek-262-million-ohio-brownfield-funds
February 12, 20223 yr 59 minutes ago, tykaps said: New article on this program from Crains with some more projects mentioned: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/applicants-seek-262-million-ohio-brownfield-funds Lots of interesting stuff and again a wonderfully detailed job of reporting by Michelle.
February 12, 20223 yr On 2/9/2022 at 3:53 PM, cadmen said: Government moves at a glacial pace. The joke/complaint in the private sector is "this entire meeting could have been an e-mail". Even twenty years ago I was using the phrase "virtual meeting" to describe an e-mail list being used for discussion. This mindset is beginning to gain traction in smaller, more agile companies. Larger ones still cling to the physically getting together (Zoom qualifies as such) mindset. Government, of course, takes this to the next level.
February 12, 20223 yr On 2/9/2022 at 7:35 PM, GISguy said: They sure moved quick to land Intel and Peloton (RIP). When they want to move they move. When they are being pushed by outside factors they move. Government often approaches the private sector with closed end projects, especially those that involve competition with the private sector or foreign entities. Apollo versus the ongoing space programs. Building highways rather than maintaining them. Wars, of course. Edited February 12, 20223 yr by E Rocc
February 14, 20223 yr Indianapolis is starting a BRT, similar to the Euclid Ave BRT completed in Cleveland, which is also referenced in the article as a successful approach to spurring development. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/indianapolis-looks-mass-transit-project-spur-development-low-income-ar-rcna14933
February 21, 20223 yr Author NASA Glenn’s buildings land in 21st century By Ken Prendergast / February 21, 2022 Until 2014, the newest office building constructed at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) Glenn Research Center pre-dated Ohioan Neil Armstrong making his giant leap for mankind on the surface of the Moon. Into the early 2010s, buildings at the 325-acre campus looked like they belonged to a school district that hadn’t passed a levy in a long time. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2022/02/21/nasa-glenns-buildings-land-in-21st-century/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 21, 20223 yr Nice! I owe my existence to NASA- my grandfather came to Cleveland after WWII to work at the Lewis Research Center.
February 22, 20223 yr I interned there 8 years ago and the buildings were extremely outdated then. Glad many are getting replaced.
February 22, 20223 yr I’ve been employed at NASA GRC since August 2020 and still have never set foot on campus! Looking forward to (hopefully) seeing the new buildings sometime this decade. 😆
February 23, 20223 yr government funded projects are rarely expedient, if anyone here is a veteran you should know something about contractors taking their sweet time on projects that should be done in weeks.
February 23, 20223 yr ^Sort of like when the federal government had the glass installed on the federal building on E.9th? I used to joke that at least one of the Great Pyramids was built in a quicker fashion than it took the United States federal government to have contractors put glass on that building.
February 23, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Oldmanladyluck said: ^Sort of like when the federal government had the glass installed on the federal building on E.9th? I used to joke that at least one of the Great Pyramids was built in a quicker fashion than it took the United States federal government to have contractors put glass on that building. I remember that lol. I think the Hilton started at the same time and was finished before it.
February 23, 20223 yr Yes and as far as I'm concerned the Federal Building is still not finished on two sides. I'll never understand how anyone with a eye for design would sign off on leaving the top corner of two sides unfinished but that ship has sailed.
February 23, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, cadmen said: Yes and as far as I'm concerned the Federal Building is still not finished on two sides. I'll never understand how anyone with a eye for design would sign off on leaving the top corner of two sides unfinished but that ship has sailed. Only thing I could think of is it may be related to clearance issues with the intake and exhaust louvers at the very top of the building and the interior positioning of air handlers. That said, they could've proposed a decorative panel to create a finished look there, not the literal half assed look we're stuck with.
February 23, 20223 yr thats how it goes, lazy work never gets finished. but if one thing has taught me and anyone here on the federal building, military grade is just lowest bidder. Don't fall for those infomercials folks!
February 23, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, tastybunns said: thats how it goes, lazy work never gets finished. but if one thing has taught me and anyone here on the federal building, military grade is just lowest bidder. Don't fall for those infomercials folks! Yeah, the vets I know always laugh when someone tries to hype something as "military grade".
February 23, 20223 yr A long time ago someone on this forum said the original plan for the new glass skin on the Federal Building included NOT completing the wrap around the entire building. If that is correct it may LOOK unfinished but its not. It IS finished. The idea has something to do with heating/ac and weather patterns in NEO. The explanation never made sense to me but since I'm not an expert on heating/ac nor am I an expert on how the government decides what a building should look like. But it does frustrate the hell out of me when a building in a prominent location looks like that AFTER a multi-million upgrade. Just seems like the lowest standards to me but I'm just one guy so who cares what I think?
February 23, 20223 yr That is funny @cadmen... I was just think about this yesterday. It is truly frustrating at how BAD this looks. The building looked so much better before. I cannot believe this is actually the final design but if you look very closely at the original renderings it does in fact show that the glass doesn't go all the way to the top on the south and east sides. I also really dislike the brown gradient they used only on the west and north sides. The whole thing is a jumbled mess. Unfortunately I think we are stuck with this now... :(
February 24, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, LibertyBlvd said: I thought it had something to do with bomb-proofing the 2 vulnerable sides. The Cleveland federal building was the guinea pig for other federal buildings around the country concerning increasing energy efficiency. The cost of the original estimate for the AJC almost doubled once completed so consider the AJC a one and done as far as trying to creating energy efficiency in older federal structures. The additional glass facade was never about additional security.
February 24, 20223 yr 10 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said: Only thing I could think of is it may be related to clearance issues with the intake and exhaust louvers at the very top of the building and the interior positioning of air handlers. That said, they could've proposed a decorative panel to create a finished look there, not the literal half assed look we're stuck with. This is from the Plain Dealer in 2011: A. J. Celebrezze tower renovation in Cleveland is a national test case on balancing preservation and energy conservation Experts say the upcoming $121 million renovation of the A.J. Celebrezze Federal Building in downtown Cleveland could be the first time a high-rise tower in the United States is wrapped with a new glass facade on all four sides, leaving the original facade intact and visible. The second skin will create an insulating cushion of air in the 2.5-foot gap between the old and new facades. https://www.cleveland.com/arts/2011/01/celebrezze_tower_renovation_in.html Edited February 24, 20223 yr by Larry1962 More details
February 24, 20223 yr Some more info. And yes @stpats44113 it was also about additional security. https://interactivedesignarchitects.com/project/a-j-celebrezze-federal-building-facade-recladding/ Edited February 24, 20223 yr by LibertyBlvd
February 25, 20223 yr Per Michelle, looks like we will find out whos getting the TMUD credit next week. March 2!
February 25, 20223 yr I hope "reviewing" also means "announcing". If not on March 2 then shortly thereafter.
March 1, 20223 yr I'm pulling for the Bridgeworks project. The anticipation is killing me lol. Would love to see Hingetown area continue to be built up.
March 1, 20223 yr Author On 2/24/2022 at 11:30 PM, mrclifton88 said: @HtsguyMichelle said she believes they will be announced March 2. This is the agenda for tomorrow. They sent it to me last Thursday.... For Immediate Release: Date: February 24, 2022 Contact: Lisa Colbert [email protected] Meeting of the Ohio Tax Authority What: Meeting of the Ohio Tax Credit Authority See Agenda Below When: Wednesday, March 2, 2022 11:00 a.m. Where: 77 S. High Street 19th Floor, Room 1960 Columbus, Ohio 43215 Details: The Ohio Tax Credit Authority is a five-member, independent board consisting of taxation and economic development professionals throughout the state who are responsible for reviewing and approving applications for tax credit assistance. The Authority also has oversight responsibilities that include monitoring and reporting the progress of approved tax credit projects. Agenda I. Call to Order II. Minutes from the January 31, 2022, meeting III. New Projects Alexander Mann Solutions Corporation (AMS), Cleveland/Cuyahoga Brennan-Eberly Team Sports Inc., Swanton Township and village of Holland/Lucas ECS Tuning LLC, Wadsworth/Medina The Kroger Co., village of Oakwood/Cuyahoga Total Quality Logistics LLC (TQL), Union Township and Milford/Clermont Co., West Chester Township/Butler, Cincinnati/Hamilton Walgreen Co., Canal Winchester/Franklin IV. Other Business V. Transformational Mixed-Use Development Tax Credit Projects VI. Adjourn VII. Next Meeting: Monday, March 28, 2022 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 2, 20223 yr Personally I would like to see Bridgeworks and Erieview/W tower get the TMUD. I love, love the Centennial project but I think he is taking on too much. But much like Stark he needs to scale it down in phases, clean and restore the exterior, activate the lobby, start with about 300 apartments and less office space for now. Knock off about 200m from that crazy 450m estimate.
March 2, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, freethink said: Personally I would like to see Bridgeworks and Erieview/W tower get the TMUD. I love, love the Centennial project but I think he is taking on too much. But much like Stark he needs to scale it down in phases, clean and restore the exterior, activate the lobby, start with about 300 apartments and less office space for now. Knock off about 200m from that crazy 450m estimate. I like Bridgeworks a lot and the Erieview / W would be good to see, but neither is remotely as transformative for downtown as Centennial. The beauty of using TMUD and getting the whole project all at once is that it dumps a huge number of new residents right in the middle of the hottest stretch of downtown, an easy walk from both Playhouse Square and Public Square. I feel like that project is much more than the sum of small projects it could be broken into. And Sinito is a good landlord with great downtown projects under their belt - their work with Key Tower and Marble Room are clear signs of a commitment to quality work. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
March 2, 20223 yr 53 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: I like Bridgeworks a lot and the Erieview / W would be good to see, but neither is remotely as transformative for downtown as Centennial. The beauty of using TMUD and getting the whole project all at once is that it dumps a huge number of new residents right in the middle of the hottest stretch of downtown, an easy walk from both Playhouse Square and Public Square. I feel like that project is much more than the sum of small projects it could be broken into. And Sinito is a good landlord with great downtown projects under their belt - their work with Key Tower and Marble Room are clear signs of a commitment to quality work. My thinking on this is Sinato can do a Garfield sized project without the TMUD, remember he already has the Historic Tax credit. Also Bridgeworks is new construction and will activate the lower part of the bridge. Erieview which is so prominent on the skyline as a dark building with be much more visible in the skyline. And both of these properties will bring much needed new hotel space. We need to upgrade our hotel stock immediately. 925 is about 5 years away for full capacity, 2 years construction and 2-3 years to fill 800 doors.
March 2, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said: I like Bridgeworks a lot and the Erieview / W would be good to see, but neither is remotely as transformative for downtown as Centennial. The beauty of using TMUD and getting the whole project all at once is that it dumps a huge number of new residents right in the middle of the hottest stretch of downtown, an easy walk from both Playhouse Square and Public Square. I feel like that project is much more than the sum of small projects it could be broken into. And Sinito is a good landlord with great downtown projects under their belt - their work with Key Tower and Marble Room are clear signs of a commitment to quality work. I agree wholeheartedly!
March 2, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: Will there be any way to watch this live? I'm actually surprised that there doesn't seem to be a YouTube stream for this. Even Cleveland and Cuyahoga County have live streams for public meetings.
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