March 24, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said: The new construction btw in the Steelyard is a new CLEAN car wash. Opens in May I believe. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk I was just thinking how good of a spot for a car wash Steelyard is a few days ago! Probably one of the few places frequented by most vehicle owners in the urban core. Makes a lot of sense. 33 minutes ago, Whipjacka said: I hope whoever develops lots 4/5 does so with recognition of the towpath trail that runs right past. A restaurant with a small patio would be great, but even just a minimal amount of landscaping serving as a buffer to the inevitable parking lot would make a big difference. That stretch of the towpath is already pretty subpar, more parking lot adjacent riding won't do it any favors.
March 24, 20232 yr I'm surprised a place like sheetz doesn't build there. It'd have 71 visibility and also be one of the only 'nice' gas stations in the city. Filling in the old Best Buy will help get the daily traffic higher at Steelyard. Hope it helps drive future development down there
March 24, 20232 yr Nice!! The CLEAN Carwash on Carnegie is INSANELY crowded almost all the time. I can't tell you how many times I go there and turn away because of the line.
March 24, 20232 yr I'm surprised a place like sheetz doesn't build there. It'd have 71 visibility and also be one of the only 'nice' gas stations in the city. Filling in the old Best Buy will help get the daily traffic higher at Steelyard. Hope it helps drive future development down thereI believe I read that Steelyard gets 8 million annual shoppers. It's been insanely successful. I think including the Best Buy I can count on one hand (maybe a little on the second hand) how many stores have closed since it opened. I believe a gas station won't open down there because you have 3 directly on 14th and one around the corner on Clark. To respond to someone that spoke about the parking, I always wondered what it would look like to build residential with retail at least a long the edges, but having some built in the "emptier" section of Steelyard on those lots would be interesting to me. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
March 24, 20232 yr Nice!! The CLEAN Carwash on Carnegie is INSANELY crowded almost all the time. I can't tell you how many times I go there and turn away because of the line. Same feeling but I also don't want to go to Mayfield so I stick it out. That's actually how I found out about the Steelyard carwash opening, the guy running that one will be in charge of the Steelyard one. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
March 26, 20232 yr Author Blue Abyss may build $250m research center here By Ken Prendergast / March 26, 2023 A British company, Blue Abyss Diving Ltd., is pursuing the development of a new research center devoted to deep sea and space research in the Cleveland suburb of Brook Park on land next to NASA Glenn Research Center. The project, with a total estimated price tag of $250 million, could be one of the most significant business investments resulting from the presence of the NASA facility. It could also be nearly identical to a major research center Blue Abyss is building in the United Kingdom county of Cornwall. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2023/03/26/blue-abyss-to-build-250m-research-center-here/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 26, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: Blue Abyss may build $250m research center here By Ken Prendergast / March 26, 2023 A British company, Blue Abyss Diving Ltd., is pursuing the development of a new research center devoted to deep sea and space research in the Cleveland suburb of Brook Park on land next to NASA Glenn Research Center. The project, with a total estimated price tag of $250 million, could be one of the most significant business investments resulting from the presence of the NASA facility. It could also be nearly identical to a major research center Blue Abyss is building in the United Kingdom county of Cornwall. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2023/03/26/blue-abyss-to-build-250m-research-center-here/ It could be just as interesting ... What's going on the other five acres? Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
March 26, 20232 yr Author 9 minutes ago, Dougal said: It could be just as interesting ... What's going on the other five acres? I guess we'll wait and see... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 26, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, JB said: Wish it was in Cleveland proper. I assume it was before Mayor White's land swap with Brook Park.
March 26, 20232 yr At any rate it would seem this investment could lead to additional development as other companies look to benifit from proximity to this as well as NASA.
March 26, 20232 yr This seems exciting but what is the business model for blue abyss? How do they make money? I assume government contracts but $250 million is a big nut.
March 27, 20232 yr Have they actually started construction on the UK site? The most recent article I could find was from 2021 and they were still working out financing. The earliest articles were from 2015. Doesn't bode well for the business case. Hopefully NASA being next door gets this thing moving quicker.
March 27, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, Mendo said: Have they actually started construction on the UK site? The most recent article I could find was from 2021 and they were still working out financing. The earliest articles were from 2015. Doesn't bode well for the business case. Hopefully NASA being next door gets this thing moving quicker. They posted an update in December on their website: Quote Newquay, Cornwall, UK On-site progress We move ever closer to commencing construction of the world’s first Blue Abyss centre in Cornwall following completion of ground investigations on the Aerohub site, adjacent to Newquay airport and Spaceport Cornwall. Soil Engineering Geoservices, a sister company to Blue Abyss’ ground construction partner Bachy Soletanche, started the initial inspection back in May. This was followed in June by the drilling of four 80m deep boreholes, from which core samples were collected, photographed, and sent to the laboratory for testing. Instrumentation within the boreholes provides ongoing groundwater monitoring and seasonal data, which will further inform construction design. This work provides meaningful insight into the geology and hydrogeology of the area, which is critical to constructing a large underground structure which includes significant excavated volume and a deep shaft. Ground Engineering https://www.geplus.co.uk/ has recently interviewed the team and will be publishing an in-depth summary of the findings early in the New Year. The next steps include submission of planning permission at the Aerohub Enterprise Zone which is subject to a local development order. I wouldn't expect construction on the Cleveland location to move much faster given the similar need for ground testing, but hopefully at least they have their financing in a better place this time around.
March 31, 20232 yr Author Board of Elections is moving out By Ken Prendergast / March 31, 2023 Cuyahoga County’s Department of Public Works this week issued a request for proposals from building owners and real estate brokers who can accommodate the requirements of a proposed consolidation of operations by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections (BOE) into a new location. For decades, the BOE’s main offices have been located at 2925 Euclid Ave. in Cleveland’s Midtown neighborhood. But it also has two other locations that, in total, equal the size of their main offices and could be consolidated into a new, accessible location by year's end, county officials said. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/03/31/board-of-elections-is-moving-out/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 31, 20232 yr Seems like the former PD building is a great place to consolidate. Hope it happens or that somebody leases what appears to be a great building in a great location.
April 2, 20232 yr With so many buildings emptying out for remote work (even if temporary), there's plenty of space in the core of the CBD. The BoE should move in there and rebuild our daytime worker population. And they'd probably get a great location at a great rate.
April 2, 20232 yr With so many buildings emptying out for remote work (even if temporary), there's plenty of space in the core of the CBD. The BoE should move in there and rebuild our daytime worker population. And they'd probably get a great location at a great rate.Parking is a priority and would be an issue unless they also purchase an already existing lot or garage. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
April 2, 20232 yr Wasn’t sure which thread to post this in.But serious question: why can’t we build more townhomes like this? I’m grateful and happy for everything being built but it all just seems so… idk, cookie cutter, rushed, lacking character or personality. Prefabricated. End of my little rant.For context: order of pics are NYC, Boston, Philly.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
April 2, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, GREGinPARMA said: But serious question: why can’t we build more townhomes like this? I’m grateful and happy for everything being built but it all just seems so… idk, cookie cutter, rushed, lacking character or personality. Prefabricated. I will say the lack of ornamentation now is more extreme than it has been in styles of previous generations, and there is certainly a level of quality concern these days, but "cookie cutter" and "pre-fabricated" have been the case since this country began building urban centers. Baltimore is an excellent example of mass home building in the 19th and 20th century. Yeah, gray exterior walls suck (in my opinion) and modern developers and architects need to learn that porches exist, but these aren't new complaints.
April 2, 20232 yr At some point we will have a design change. Right now there are two designs that are long in the tooth. Inside we have stainless steel appliances along with granite counters. Outside we have the mixed colored boxes. Those looks were really cool, clean and modern when they first came out. Now? Because they are so ubiquitous they are tired and boring. What's next? Good question. Maybe an even better question is WHEN will we see something new take over?
April 2, 20232 yr 39 minutes ago, cadmen said: At some point we will have a design change. Right now there are two designs that are long in the tooth. Inside we have stainless steel appliances along with granite counters. Outside we have the mixed colored boxes. Those looks were really cool, clean and modern when they first came out. Now? Because they are so ubiquitous they are tired and boring. What's next? Good question. Maybe an even better question is WHEN will we see something new take over? There's an emerging idea I've seen bandied about to escape this cyclical trend in the name of sustainability. It's wasteful to tear a building down merely because it isn't in style anymore. To that end, crafting a building that will still be considered appealing in 100 years is important. The only way to do that is to go deeper than current styles and trends. To do that, you have to analyze what aesthetics appeal to humans on a psychological level. I posted a video in Architecture: the good, the bad, and the ugly that talks about this and some of the findings.
April 3, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Ethan said: There's an emerging idea I've seen bandied about. I posted a video in Architecture: the good, the bad, and the ugly that talks about this and some of the findings. Downtown Cleveland's beauty starts and ends with the lakefront and riverfront. End of story. Neither of these things were apparently big on the founding industrialists' minds. Oh, that and a few beautiful buildings with pedestrian connections and parks between said riverfront and lakefront. Everything being proposed is a step in the right direction. (Ha ha! I don't typically post these 'Captain Obvious' sentiments. I'll let you guys return to your regularly scheduled programming).
April 5, 20232 yr On 4/2/2023 at 1:21 PM, GREGinPARMA said: Wasn’t sure which thread to post this in. But serious question: why can’t we build more townhomes like this? I’m grateful and happy for everything being built but it all just seems so… idk, cookie cutter, rushed, lacking character or personality. Prefabricated. End of my little rant. For context: order of pics are NYC, Boston, Philly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I think a huge portion of what makes these photos attractive is the plants growing outside and the huge variation in colors that all of the vegetation has. The buildings themselves I do find attractive as well, but I wonder if we have a survivorship bias problem where the designs of old that we love are only attractive because only the best ones were kept. All the ugly and poor quality ones have been torn down by now.
April 6, 20232 yr https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/blue-abyss-aims-train-astronauts-divers-brook-park
April 7, 20232 yr 50 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said: I don’t know if I’ve ever seen this. Definitely like the one we got better… Yeah, that's ugly as sin.
April 7, 20232 yr I feel like they wanted to have continuity with 200 PS while still maintaining it's own look. Hence the 200 PS like set back, material and other cues Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
April 7, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: I feel like they wanted to have continuity with 200 PS while still maintaining it's own look. Hence the 200 PS like set back, material and other cues Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Interesting! I like the cathedral-like addressing of Public Square, and the idea that we would have had a signature building by the homegrown Philip Johnson to feature for posterity (Public Theater was NOT that). But if a zero sum game (like it was), definitely glad we got our Pelli masterpiece instead.
April 7, 20232 yr Interesting! I like the cathedral-like addressing of Public Square, and the idea that we would have had a signature building by the homegrown Philip Johnson to feature for posterity (Public Theater was NOT that). But if a zero sum game (like it was), definitely glad we got our Pelli masterpiece instead. My question is did this design still include the Marriott or was that added on later? Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
April 11, 20232 yr Not sure if anyone saw that the Cleveland Downtown Alliance put out their annual report here: https://downtowncleveland.com/research Thought one cool page was the residential page. It showed 9,641 units downtown now (2,633 units currently under construction) compared to last year's report showing 9,058 units total. Once those under construction units are finished that'll bump the total up over 25%. With the current population of downtown about 20k I think it is reasonable to assume the under construction units will add a similar 2.1 people per unit so we can hope we'll see another 5.5k people living downtown in the near future!
April 13, 20232 yr On 4/5/2023 at 9:18 PM, freethink said: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/blue-abyss-aims-train-astronauts-divers-brook-park I watched the recorded livestream of the presentation to Brook Park city council (here). A couple of quick notes: They expect to build future facilities in Houston, Japan, possibly the Middle East, and maybe somewhere else I'm forgetting. They do training for astronauts and sea exploration, but given Brook Park's location, this would be almost exclusively astronaut training. As an aside, I don't think NASA Glenn is ever involved directly with on-site astronaut training, so this would be a totally new capability for the area. They plan for astronauts to be able to train for 3-6 month periods in their facility as prep for long-duration missions. They expect that training for the first long-duration moon mission would take place in the Brook Park facility. They see astronaut training as a big gap in the recent push for privatized space exploration. The plan is for a 150-room boutique hotel to support guests of the training center, but also NASA Glenn, the airport, and the community. They expect multiple spinoff developments to want to locate close by. All in all, they definitely talk a big game, and if it all comes to fruition, this will be a really cool facility with capabilities basically unmatched anywhere else in the world. I don't know where they're getting the money to do this or how likely they are to succeed, but I really hope they can get it done.
April 22, 20232 yr IKEA is planning to open 8 new US stores. Cities unannounced so far. Maybe we’ll get one this time.
April 22, 20232 yr Linking this here to get some more eyes on it. Edit: basically, it may be time to move this out of abandoned projects!
April 22, 20232 yr Can somebody share a picture of the plaza this is talking about? I obviously know the building, but never actually been on its "property" so to say
April 22, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: Can somebody share a picture of the plaza this is talking about? I obviously know the building, but never actually been on its "property" so to say Go to the courthouse plaza thread two posts up.
April 29, 20232 yr LOL talk about cosmic justice. Roundstone blows up the Lakewood project by backing out in favor of a more car-focused and exurban location. And now the Rocky River NIMBYs are threatening to blow up their project. BUT it gets better because (although you have classic traffic, and similar concerns) what some Rocky River residents want instead of the Roundstone HQ is a mixed use development similar to the one in Lakewood that Roundstone spurned. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/planned-roundstone-insurance-hq-panned-rocky-river
April 29, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said: LOL talk about cosmic justice. Roundstone blows up the Lakewood project by backing out in favor of a more car-focused and exurban location. And now the Rocky River NIMBYs are threatening to blow up their project. BUT it gets better because (although you have classic traffic, and similar concerns) what some Rocky River residents want instead of the Roundstone HQ is a mixed use development similar to the one in Lakewood that Roundstone spurned. https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/planned-roundstone-insurance-hq-panned-rocky-river It is a little ironic, although I wouldn't call Rocky River, especially the old part near their little downtown, exurban. It's an inner ring suburb as well, just not quite as inner as Lakewood.
April 29, 20232 yr 37 minutes ago, X said: It is a little ironic, although I wouldn't call Rocky River, especially the old part near their little downtown, exurban. It's an inner ring suburb as well, just not quite as inner as Lakewood. Fair enough . I’ve got the reverse problem of where west siders point at everything east of Asiatown like “is this East Cleveland?” To me everything west of Lakewood is an amorphous blob of Bay Rocky River Village of North Olmstead Falls.
April 29, 20232 yr I just moved from the Old Detroit neighborhood of RR across the river into Lakewood's far west side right next to the Detroit Rd. bridge. It's really the same neighborhood, just a different city and zip code. It's similar to Cleveland Hts. Old, walkable with a nice mix of retail. It's nothing like suburban Bay or Olmsted Falls.
May 4, 20232 yr Lighting up downtown even more https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/05/destination-cleveland-plans-major-downtown-light-installation-script-cleveland-vending-machine-at-airport.html?utm_campaign=likeshopme&utm_medium=instagram&utm_source=dash%20hudson&utm_content=www.instagram.com/p/Cr0hI5Fqraw/
May 4, 20232 yr Yeah man! Lighting (especially today with LED advancement) is the quickest, easiest and now cheapest way to improve visuals. Can't wait to see what they come up with. And sure, lighting up high-profile areas downtown is great, but don't overlook those Flats bridges. They need some love too. Finally, I've often wondered why we can't keep Christmas lights up through our long dark winters? Just re-brand them as winter lights. Easy.
May 4, 20232 yr Author 3 hours ago, cadmen said: Finally, I've often wondered why we can't keep Christmas lights up through our long dark winters? Just re-brand them as winter lights. Easy. They did. Thankfully, we don't have long dark winters anymore. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 4, 20232 yr Love the sound of it but we all know how maintenance of lighting goes in Cleveland. So many buildings have lights out / totally off etc. within just a few months of install and nobody bothers to fix them.
May 4, 20232 yr If they do Christmas lights in the trees at Public Square all year around, I hope they're done where they're strung tightly around the branches rather than loosely hanging from branch to branch. Always thought that looked lazy when they do that at Christmas.
May 4, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, ASPhotoman said: If they do Christmas lights in the trees at Public Square all year around, I hope they're done where they're strung tightly around the branches rather than loosely hanging from branch to branch. Always thought that looked lazy when they do that at Christmas. That looks good, but it kills the tree if they’re not removed in the spring. Crocker killed all their trees doing that. Had to replant most of em.
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