May 5, 20232 yr 16 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Lighting up downtown even more https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/05/destination-cleveland-plans-major-downtown-light-installation-script-cleveland-vending-machine-at-airport.html?utm_campaign=likeshopme&utm_medium=instagram&utm_source=dash%20hudson&utm_content=www.instagram.com/p/Cr0hI5Fqraw/ I love this initiative. Adding creative lighting from Public Square to Playhouse Square and north to the mall. I think it will work really well for Cleveland in that we have a lot of beautiful older buildings that will really shine with some lighting - also, as the article quotes, additional light will create a better sense of safety/well-being and hopefully, extend time that people are out and about at street level. Great stuff and a big thank you to Destination Cleveland for funding a big chunk of the 7.5 million dollars it will cost. Excited to see what they come up with. Edited May 5, 20232 yr by CleveFan
May 5, 20232 yr As part of this initiative,I would love to see the reactivation of the bridge lighting that occurred in The Flats.
May 5, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, dave2017 said: As part of this initiative,I would love to see the reactivation of the bridge lighting that occurred in The Flats. 1000% with you! I bet these would be the low hanging fruit. Most of em probably just burnt out and never got replaced. The infrastructure has to still be in place.
May 5, 20232 yr They should create a few full-time jobs whose main task is to repair and replace broken/burnt out lights. Architectural lighting is something I am huge on and it grinds my gears when I see this.
May 5, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said: They should create a few full-time jobs whose main task is to repair and replace broken/burnt out lights. Architectural lighting is something I am huge on and it grinds my gears when I see this. With the advent of LED's, this would be a temporary position leading to minimal maintenance once all incandescent lighting is replaced.
May 5, 20232 yr Cleveland plans major broadband internet expansion to narrow digital divide by Nick Castele "Mayor Justin Bibb’s administration is tapping a local nonprofit and a national telecom firm to expand high-speed internet in Cleveland. Bibb is asking City Council to slate $20 million in federal stimulus funds for Digital C, the nonprofit wireless internet provider. That money would help Digital C expand its reach to offer $18-per-month high-speed internet to all Clevelanders. The mayor is also proposing an agreement with the for-profit company SiFi Networks to build a citywide fiber-optic network. The company plans to spend $400 million on the project at no cost to the city, according to a news release from Bibb’s office." https://signalcleveland.org/cleveland-plans-major-broadband-internet-expansion-to-narrow-digital-divide/
May 5, 20232 yr Hopefully that fiber network can be leveraged down the road for home ISPs. The city should be investing in a wired municipal broadband network. Wireless is fine for the local access, like within people's homes, but it should be fiber to the house.
May 6, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, Mendo said: Hopefully that fiber network can be leveraged down the road for home ISPs. The city should be investing in a wired municipal broadband network. Wireless is fine for the local access, like within people's homes, but it should be fiber to the house. In the WFH era, it’s absolutely essential in order to compete.
May 31, 20232 yr Lighthouse to be auctioned in June. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/western-lighthouse-at-cleveland-harbor-to-be-auctioned-off-in-late-june
May 31, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, simplythis said: Lighthouse to be auctioned in June. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/western-lighthouse-at-cleveland-harbor-to-be-auctioned-off-in-late-june Anyone want to put together a UO ownership group? We can have a nice little mancave out there. Bring plenty of bug spray!
May 31, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Cleburger said: Anyone want to put together a UO ownership group? We can have a nice little mancave out there. Bring plenty of bug spray! Every Indians fan knows bug spray doesn't work on the midges. And most Yankees fans ;-)
May 31, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, surfohio said: Every Indians fan knows bug spray doesn't work on the midges. And most Yankees fans ;-) Just as all Cleveland boaters know about the biting flies out there. Especially bad on the crib!
May 31, 20232 yr Author Folks, if you're worried about downtown construction cranes fleeing without replacements after City Club and Sherwin-Williams are done, I don't think you should be worried. Unfortunately I won't be there at the Happy Hour tomorrow night to talk about it and, even so, I can't share some of this stuff -- yet. But suffice it say, even if half of the stuff I'm hearing about doesn't happen, there's going to be MORE construction cranes over downtown in the next 2-5 years then there are right now. Oh, and then there's Ohio City. And then there's University Circle... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 31, 20232 yr I was actually just thinking about that the other day since city club is about to be wrapped up. The cranes reflect what we follow everyday in these forums… the city developing. But is a beacon for the average people out there that the city’s developing and brings on conversations like what’s going on over there from everyone like nothing else really does. Happy to hear we won’t be crane-less for long Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
May 31, 20232 yr I'm a big believer in momentum and for decades Cleveland had very little of it. Now, each new development can make the idea of the next one even more attractive and so on.
May 31, 20232 yr 54 minutes ago, KJP said: Folks, if you're worried about downtown construction cranes fleeing without replacements after City Club and Sherwin-Williams are done, I don't think you should be worried. Unfortunately I won't be there at the Happy Hour tomorrow night to talk about it and, even so, I can't share some of this stuff -- yet. But suffice it say, even if half of the stuff I'm hearing about doesn't happen, there's going to be MORE construction cranes over downtown in the next 2-5 years then there are right now. Oh, and then there's Ohio City. And then there's University Circle... That is good to hear. Without jeopardizing a development, at what progress point development wise can you throw us a bone.
May 31, 20232 yr Author 31 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: I hope one of those cranes will be at the nuCLEus site. Not that I've heard of. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 31, 20232 yr There are projects that you guys haven't even heard of yet, wish i could touch more on this, and sorry to keep everyone hanging. I promise you'll be in awwwwwwww in the not so distant future.
May 31, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, zbaris87 said: There are projects that you guys haven't even heard of yet, wish i could touch more on this, and sorry to keep everyone hanging. I promise you'll be in awwwwwwww in the not so distant future. Is more development for the ballpark village a safe guess? 😉
May 31, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, zbaris87 said: There are projects that you guys haven't even heard of yet, wish i could touch more on this, and sorry to keep everyone hanging. I promise you'll be in awwwwwwww in the not so distant future. I hope many of these mystery projects are being kept under wraps because they want to secure all the necessary financing before announcing and getting us all excited. It seems like time and time again a project is trumpeted, pretty renderings are flashed before us and they might even get the necessary city approvals. In our eager and uneducated minds this means the developer is going to break ground in the next couple of months. Then it is 2-3 years later and we are still wringing our hands over why ground has not been broken and learn that financing is still up in the air and they are in search of one or more tax credits or public subsidies. Please stop doing this to us. Edited May 31, 20232 yr by Htsguy
May 31, 20232 yr Author 2 hours ago, simplythis said: That is good to hear. Without jeopardizing a development, at what progress point development wise can you throw us a bone. Most of these have at least been alluded to in past articles (not all by me). Regarding one I just learned about today, I Googled the subject and found an article where a future development was referred to in that article which I totally missed when the news came out. But some of them are pretty obvious, like lakefront and riverfront. And the really cool part is some of the details that are starting to leak out, which I hope to be able to start writing about in the coming days. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 31, 20232 yr 25 minutes ago, Htsguy said: I hope many of these mystery projects are being kept under wraps because they want to secure all the necessary financing before announcing and getting us all excited. It seems like time and time again a project is trumpeted, pretty renderings are flashed before us and they might even get the necessary city approvals. In our eager and uneducated minds this means the developer is going to break ground in the next couple of months. Then it is 2-3 years later and we are still wringing our hands over why ground has not been broken and learn that financing is still up in the air and they are in search of one or more tax credits or public subsidies. Please stop doing this to us. This is so true. We need to have these projects announced further along in their capital stack rather than earlier. We do get overly excited and most of the time we get disappointed.
May 31, 20232 yr Author Many of the projects I drop bombs about aren't announced. Just because they may or may not happen doesn't make them any less interesting to what ideas different developers have. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 1, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, originaljbw said: City Target in the greyhound station with a Lumen on either side. Heard. The Greyhound station is way too cool a building to waste on a City Target.
June 1, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Ineffable_Matt said: The Greyhound station is way too cool a building to waste on a City Target. Agreed. Euclid Ave or Tower City would be a better location.
June 1, 20232 yr I do think Greyhound would make an amazing entrance lobby/restaurant space to a high rise.
June 1, 20232 yr Agreed. Euclid Ave or Tower City would be a better location.What about our shiny new parking garage opened with over 600 readily available parking spots? It sits on the corner of a busy intersection (prospect and Ontario), is across from the casino, surrounded by new apartments and has ample available retail space. I'm tired of Euclid being the defacto street for things. That street has stabilized and grown, it's time for the rest of downtown. Plus it doesn't really have the space for a city target, I doubt Centennial is a realistic option. Also while I think Tower City is an amazing idea (I think small format big box stores on the first floor with local retail on the second floor would be a smash hit) I think it's treated as an after thought too much right now for it to be successful there. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
June 1, 20232 yr Yes, I agree the rest of downtown needs to grow. However, I think retail should be concentrated in a specific area instead of scattered.
June 1, 20232 yr Yes, I agree the rest of downtown needs to grow. However, I think retail should be concentrated in a specific area instead of scattered. I feel like having "anchor" retail like City Target reactivates other streets and brings them back to life. I feel like each major downtown street deserves retail attention. Euclid has retail and the foot traffic, St.Clair, Superior and other streets are dead zones.If retail (Food, shopping etc.) Should only be concentrated on Euclid in your opinion how would you reactivate the other major streets? Solely relying on apartments aren't effective if they have nowhere to go.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
June 1, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said: I feel like having "anchor" retail like City Target reactivates other streets and brings them back to life. Not necessarily. Even the two-story Target in University Heights did absolutely nothing for the street. It's a complete car-centered hell for anyone unlucky enough to be a pedestrian anywhere near the Cedar-Warrensville intersection.
June 1, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Foraker said: Not necessarily. Even the two-story Target in University Heights did absolutely nothing for the street. It's a complete car-centered hell for anyone unlucky enough to be a pedestrian anywhere near the Cedar-Warrensville intersection. The reason for all of that is the design of the UH development. The whole complex is anti pedestrian and has been from day one. It is almost like a fortress with a huge dark unused parking garage as its center piece. You practically have to be airlifted to access that store. Has nothing to do with Target itself which is a great anchor in most cases. I will say that from day one the standard Target has not been that different than most big box retailers. A warehouse surrounded by a sea of surface parking. City Targets are based on a different business model but they are of course smaller for the most part. I don't have great confidence in downtown retail these days, except in very large cities (and ever those instaances it is challenge in the US), but I do believe a City Target, say on Euclid, would attract a little more companion retail. Would like to see it.
June 2, 20232 yr 21 hours ago, Htsguy said: The reason for all of that is the design of the UH development. The whole complex is anti pedestrian and has been from day one. It is almost like a fortress with a huge dark unused parking garage as its center piece. You practically have to be airlifted to access that store. Has nothing to do with Target itself which is a great anchor in most cases. I will say that from day one the standard Target has not been that different than most big box retailers. A warehouse surrounded by a sea of surface parking. City Targets are based on a different business model but they are of course smaller for the most part. I don't have great confidence in downtown retail these days, except in very large cities (and ever those instaances it is challenge in the US), but I do believe a City Target, say on Euclid, would attract a little more companion retail. Would like to see it. I agree 100% -- but even so I don't know that a City Target would necessarily "activate" any other streets, which is what MyPhoneDead suggested. It would help the street it is on, such as Euclid, become more of a retail destination -- but probably only in a block or two at most. IMHO
June 2, 20232 yr Author On 5/31/2023 at 2:04 PM, KJP said: Folks, if you're worried about downtown construction cranes fleeing without replacements after City Club and Sherwin-Williams are done, I don't think you should be worried. Unfortunately I won't be there at the Happy Hour tomorrow night to talk about it and, even so, I can't share some of this stuff -- yet. But suffice it say, even if half of the stuff I'm hearing about doesn't happen, there's going to be MORE construction cranes over downtown in the next 2-5 years then there are right now. Oh, and then there's Ohio City. And then there's University Circle... So today's article included three high-rises in it. On 6/1/2023 at 1:46 AM, originaljbw said: City Target in the greyhound station with a Lumen on either side. Heard. I'd heard about the high-rises but not the City Target. That's another high-rise development in the works. Those are just two of six "areas" of high rises being considered for downtown. There's one that's in the works but I don't know where it's planned. I can tell you a couple more -- lakefront and former Magellan site. And there's a few others but revealing them would burn sources. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 2, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: So today's article included three high-rises in it. I'd heard about the high-rises but not the City Target. That's another high-rise development in the works. Those are just two of six "areas" of high rises being considered for downtown. There's one that's in the works but I don't know where it's planned. I can tell you a couple more -- lakefront and former Magellan site. And there's a few others but revealing them would burn sources. Ken, more often than not your words are beautiful music to my ears. Now please refresh my memory on where the former Magellan site is.. @KJP
June 2, 20232 yr On 5/31/2023 at 2:04 PM, KJP said: Folks, if you're worried about downtown construction cranes fleeing without replacements after City Club and Sherwin-Williams are done, I don't think you should be worried. Unfortunately I won't be there at the Happy Hour tomorrow night to talk about it and, even so, I can't share some of this stuff -- yet. But suffice it say, even if half of the stuff I'm hearing about doesn't happen, there's going to be MORE construction cranes over downtown in the next 2-5 years then there are right now. Oh, and then there's Ohio City. And then there's University Circle... I’m hoping some of these cranes end up in the Detroit Shoreway area. Off the top of my head, here’s what I’ve heard about over there that isn’t Welleon, Westinghouse, or the Shoreway Tower: - West 70th apartments (what happened after design review?) - Watterson Lake (RFPs closed Weds of this week) - Burger King site - Stockyard Meats site - Another project zbaris alluded to that doesn’t seem to be on any of these parcels based on their description And then there’s always HKM, which would be great to have developed but doesn’t seem to be going anywhere anytime soon. Anything I’m missing?
June 2, 20232 yr This is a fun game. By my guess 5 of the "6 Areas" Downtown would be as follows: Lakefront Riverfront Magellan site (WHD) Playhouse Square / Greyhound area? Gateway (in the area near the Bolivar apartments?)
June 2, 20232 yr 47 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: Ken, more often than not your words are beautiful music to my ears. Now please refresh my memory on where the former Magellan site is.. @KJP Looks like it’s at West 3rd and St Clair https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/10/chicago-developer-considers-downtown.html?m=1
June 2, 20232 yr Author 13 minutes ago, Henke said: Looks like it’s at West 3rd and St Clair https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/10/chicago-developer-considers-downtown.html?m=1 Correct "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 2, 20232 yr I suppose it's safe to assume these are mostly residential developments. There is no demand for office space other than Rocket Mortgage, unless Cliffs is planning to surprise us. Edited June 2, 20232 yr by LibertyBlvd
June 2, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: So today's article included three high-rises in it. I'd heard about the high-rises but not the City Target. That's another high-rise development in the works. Those are just two of six "areas" of high rises being considered for downtown. There's one that's in the works but I don't know where it's planned. I can tell you a couple more -- lakefront and former Magellan site. And there's a few others but revealing them would burn sources. Am I reading this right? Two high rises on each side of the Greyhound station?
June 2, 20232 yr I agree 100% -- but even so I don't know that a City Target would necessarily "activate" any other streets, which is what MyPhoneDead suggested. It would help the street it is on, such as Euclid, become more of a retail destination -- but probably only in a block or two at most. IMHONo lol what I was saying was stores like city Targets activate streets as in the street it sits on and allows it to grow. My point was we can use impactful retail like City Target on our other main streets to create a robust and active downtown as they serve as an anchor, creating a spinoff of diverse retail on the streets they sit on. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
June 2, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: No lol what I was saying was stores like city Targets activate streets as in the street it sits on and allows it to grow. My point was we can use impactful retail like City Target on our other main streets to create a robust and active downtown as they serve as an anchor, creating a spinoff of diverse retail on the streets they sit on. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk It's another reason I wish US restaurants would go to the tableside EPOS machines like the rest of the civilized world! No way the server can fudge the tip when you enter it on the machine. I'm seeing more of them, but still the vast majority of bars and restaurants are still the paper, hand-written tips.
June 3, 20232 yr On 6/1/2023 at 3:37 PM, Htsguy said: The reason for all of that is the design of the UH development. The whole complex is anti pedestrian and has been from day one. It is almost like a fortress with a huge dark unused parking garage as its center piece. You practically have to be airlifted to access that store. Totally agree — I've tried getting to that Target without a car and there's not even a single entrance from Cedar (you have to walk around the opposite side of the building to get to the main entrance, which you'll find behind the parking garage). So of course it's not going to activate the street. But a City Target downtown would have the potential to generate activity if it's easily accessible by walking for thousands of people, because it's almost certainly easier to walk than worry about parking. Edited June 3, 20232 yr by sonisharri
June 3, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, sonisharri said: Totally agree — I've tried getting to that Target without a car and there's not even a single entrance from Cedar (you have to walk around the opposite side of the building to get to the main entrance, which you'll find behind the parking garage). So of course it's not going to activate the street. But a City Target downtown would have the potential to generate activity if it's easily accessible by walking for thousands of people, because it's almost certainly easier to walk than worry about parking. Even with a car it’s a demoralizing experience
June 3, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, Henke said: Even with a car it’s a demoralizing experience Except for the moment when you get to hook your shopping cart to the escalator and watch it ride up or down with you as you go. Whee!
June 10, 20232 yr Author A dozen high-rises in the works downtown By Ken Prendergast / June 10, 2023 Last week, NEOtrans wrote about three high-rises in a single development — the first phase of Bedrock’s riverfront site — that could see construction start by this time next year. But that is by no means the only downtown high-rise development in the works. NEOtrans is aware of a dozen potential high-rise projects of 10 stories or more in various stages of development, not including those already under construction downtown. This inventory includes only potential new-construction high-rises that could see a groundbreaking in the next couple of years, not major renovation projects like The Centennial, redevelopment of the Rose Building and others. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/06/10/a-dozen-high-rises-in-the-works-downtown/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 10, 20232 yr Sounds good. Let's hope it happens We are all excited about SHW and CC currently going up, but Cleveland has been lagging behind many other cities as far as new construction downtown. I realize there has been an abundance of vacant office space which is one of the reasons. Let's first develop those parking lots in the downtown core, specifically 4th & Prospect (nuCLEus site), 8th & Prospect, 9th & Bolivar and surrounding SHW complex before building towers on the perimeter of downtown. Edited June 11, 20232 yr by LibertyBlvd
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