Not sure if this has been posted anywhere...(not that it's much to post at the moment)....but I came across an interesting "friend" on Facebook recently. They call themselves Mansion Cleveland and I take it they're doing some early advertising for what is to come on the East Bank of the Flats.

I believe this is their Facebook link...

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mansion-Cleveland/1152035921

 

Hey theguv with that info you posted, that makes me only think about how much available space we have to constuct buildings businesses etc. to make us a bigger city. 

 

If only big company's stop having bias against us for whatever reason. As if we're a dead zone for there headquarters. If they only see that we are an up and coming thriving city with what we have going on and on the way. I Believe that whatever the construct will go along lovely with what we have already.

 

I always here from different sources that savy business people are pursuing property here. There can always be underground parking to new skyscrapers, so many ground level lots just frankly upsets me, so much potential. 

 

I am wondering why the plans Stark had got canceled? The little Stark building down the street from the Marriot is still there.

 

And hows that Huntington Bank transition from there building on e.9th to the old BP building?

 

Updates on the Terminal Tower restoration:

 

 

 

 

looks beautiful, very smooth

Soooo hot. 

Okay, if there was ever any question about whether my new camera was worth the investment... I had no idea there was THIS level of detailing (specifically the scrollwork behind the "ball"):

 

astonishing...

 

both your camera, and the job these guys are doing.

Forest City can do some things with class.

FYI - The Corlette Building on CSU's campus is apparently scheduled to be demolished soon.  The prebid meeting is Jan 21st and the bid opening is Feb 6th; I don't know when the actual demolition would begin. 

 

(Mods - this might be better/also posted in the CSU forum?)

MayDay, about how far away were you from that closeup shot?

I was in the same spot for all three shots (the Euclid entrance to the Arcade). According to the Google pedometer tool, it's .2133 of a mile.

Hey guys not to get away from the beautiful repairs so far, but can someone offer some information on the questions I had. They are about the huntington transition and the reason for the stark cancelation.

I am wondering why the plans Stark had got canceled? The little Stark building down the street from the Marriot is still there.

 

And hows that Huntington Bank transition from there building on e.9th to the old BP building?

Hey guys not to get away from the beautiful repairs so far, but can someone offer some information on the questions I had. They are about the huntington transition and the reason for the stark cancelation.

 

Welcome to the forum.  You can read more about the Stark project and why it isn't going forward here: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,2591.1950.html

 

The Huntington Bank transition hasn't happened and won't happen at least until 2010 according to the article posted in this thread:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,4266.msg344750.html#msg344750

 

 

Continue to explore the various threads on the boards.  You'll find a lot of good information.  And there's always the search function too. :wink:

If only the Stark plans start coming together that along with the East Bank plan, those two will launch us into national spotlight. Fortune 500 companies will start pondering ideas to start moving there businesses here. And maybe people like Dan Gilbert would decide to bring his Quiken Loans here as well.

FYI - The Corlette Building on CSU's campus is apparently scheduled to be demolished soon. The prebid meeting is Jan 21st and the bid opening is Feb 6th; I don't know when the actual demolition would begin.

 

(Mods - this might be better/also posted in the CSU forum?)

 

That's a shame.  I don't know the condition of the interior, but it's a handsome building on the outside, and just about the only building built up to the sidewalk on the north side of that part of Euclid.

One thing that nobody ever seems to notice or talk about, Cleveland has to be the number one city that does not have bad weather besides of course thunder storms and lake front snow, our winters are cold but so is Chicago, New York, Detroit etc. 

 

Furthermore on what I mean by that is if you watch shows like Mega Disasters on Discovery, you see that they talk about how Chicago is in serious peril if torandos run through there downtown. Another one they say that history shows every 200-300 years or so huge earthquakes occur in the mid-west. So cities like Kansas City, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Nashville, and even Cinncinnatti will have catastrophic damage given to them. Also they said if a hurricane ever managed to hit New York that that will be a major hit that city that is already to spoiled for there own good. 

 

People of business assume that if they go to these establisted cities that things will be so great, and more than likely they have no idea of these events ever happening. That is what I mean when I speak of Cleveland being immune to these types of weather anomalies.   

 

We don't have to fear torando's because I can never remember in my 20 years of existence in Cleveland of having one. The huge earthquakes they said talked about happening in the mid-west won't occur here because we are a little bit to North East if you pardon the pun. And I laugh at the thought of a hurricane coming here, because of couse we are not near any ocean. 

 

Look at places like New Orelans and parts of Texas including Houston. They get hit by huge hurricanes and vital things for our economy suffer because of where they decided to put it, like the dedicated area of the fuel storage. Things like that got choosen there just because of dumb circumstances.

 

 

In conclusion I hope I opened up this whole new truth to the viewers here. If so called "savy business people" find out about this I am willing to bet that there idea about making Cleveland there headquarters in business.

 

Don't get me wrong I don't want these tragedies to happen. I really don't want any of those people to get hurt, but everyone needs to get to the realization that the Forrest City is the biggest major city safe zone. I do predict though that God forbid those anomalies occur Cleveland will have a drastic change. Dare I say a new Capitol of media and business, maybe that is a little too far off but something close to that wouldn't that crazy of an idea.

"In conclusion I hope I opened up this whole new truth to the viewers here."

 

Riiiight.

 

Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out the settings on my camera but here's an evening shot of the Terminal Tower - wish I'd had my tripod with me:

SuperKidSpliff, there's plenty of cities in the U.S. that aren't affected by Mother Nature's disasters. Chicago, Detroit, Denver, Cleveland, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh and so many more haven't been hit by tornadoes in the last 20 years, faced catastrophic flooding, seen earthquakes, etc. Even most of St. Louis was untouched by the Great Flood of 1993. The west side of Cleveland was heavily damaged by a tornado in 1958, and hit previously in 1925 which also affected the East Side. Our biggest threat which is capable of paralyzing this city and killing many is a deadly blizzard with extreme cold. These have hit Cleveland with regularity -- 1978, 1950, 1913 that I can think of.

 

The simple fact is that truly catastrophic natural disasters occur so seldom ANYWHERE that most natural disasters are actually irritants more than anything. Most people who lived in L.A. or the Bay Area have only been inconvenienced by earthquakes in the last 40 years, which weren't strong enough to cause more than localized damage. Same with most hurricanes, where truly catastrophic damage is generally limited to the coastlines. Ike, Katrina and Andrew were exceptions, yet the total land area they affected was small and most businesses and people's daily lives were back to normal in a matter of days.

 

 

is there a thread on stormwater in NEO?  if so, please move this piece on over....

 

Northeast Ohio Regional Sewer District wants to add fee to handle storm water

Sewer district says money would go to prevent flooding

Sunday, February 01, 2009

Joan Mazzolini

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

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As the country and region grapple with the worst economic crisis in generations, a local government agency wants to send people a new bill and charge them more money for a problem that some say needs a new, regional approach.

 

The Northeast Ohio Regional Sewer District wants to add another bill, this one to deal with storm water, that would cost the average homeowner an additional $57 a year. The money would be used to maintain the region's streams, culverts and storm sewers to keep storm water from flooding homes and polluting waterways.

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1233480737279090.xml&coll=2

According to this site theres quite a bit of work on the books around town. Does anyone know any other place to get this info without having a membership?

 

http://www.bidclerk.com/projects/results.jsp?query=&sortField=null&perPage=10&start=0

A 10 million dollar bid went out january 29th for Cuyahoga Community College Center for Innovation in the Arts. Anyone know anything about this project?

 

http://plansscope.construction.com/Cuyahoga_Comm_College_Ctr_for_Innovation_in_the_Arts-DR_2_200000642648.aspx

^rock hall library?

^Nope, its not the rock library. I've heard about this project, but only some vague details.

According to this it is the Rock Hall Library....... or the building that the library is located in.

 

The new Library and Archives will open at the Cuyahoga Community College’s Metro campus in downtown Cleveland.  The 18,000-square-foot facility will be housed within the college’s new Center for Innovation in the Arts.

 

http://www.rockhall.com/support/capital-support/

 

or this gives a good rundown:

 

http://www.indexc.com/News/Story/Tri-C-Metro-Campus-Center-for-Innovation-in-the-Arts

Theater renovations for the 3 campuses perhaps?

[i thought this was a very insightful, well-written article. I agree with pretty much everything he says. I wish there were more Ned Hills in Cleveland.]

 

Urban Developments

A New Urban Landscape - Artfully Done

By Dr. Edward "Ned" Hill and Fran Stewart

http://urban.csuohio.edu/news/economic_news/urban_developments/ud_column_02_01_08.html

 

President Barack Obama has signaled a new emphasis on the nation’s urban core, going so far as to create a Cabinet-level Office of Urban Policy. Armond Budish, the first Cleveland-area Ohio House Speaker since the 1930s, also seems determined to make urban revitalization a top priority. Given that Ohio is the sole state in which two of its major cities – Cleveland and Cincinnati – repeatedly appear among the nation’s 10 poorest, a serious effort to transform the state’s urban landscape is welcomed news.

 

However, in their push to tackle the ugly urban issues of poverty, unemployment, crime and foreclosure, political leaders shouldn’t overlook the beauty. What we need today is a New City Beautiful – a model of development that emphasizes urban design and the importance of public spaces as a way of creating and holding value in private places. At Cleveland State University, we have been exploring the important intersection of business, art and culture, particularly as an attraction and neighborhood-building strategy. With this new monthly column, we hope to highlight a broad range of CSU research and activities, as well as draw on the extensive expertise of faculty members at the Levin College of Urban Affairs to frame some of the major issues that the state and region must face. Our first column is dedicated to the vital but too long neglected task of rebuilding downtown.

 

As fuel prices resume their upward push at the end of this nasty recession and concerns over global warming increasingly influence location choices, people will become more and more open to returning to urban areas. The cities that will emerge as winners will be those that offer a rich, diverse environment in which to work, live, play, and build community. People are poised to accept the New City Beautiful.

 

The New City Beautiful has to be less elitist than its century-old predecessor. The New City Beautiful has to be less about grand buildings in grand settings and more about public spaces that work for people. The New City Beautiful should be about building neighborhoods, especially every region’s most important neighborhood – its downtown. Downtowns need to be revitalized as premier live-work neighborhoods of regions. The development community today is focused on the role of anchor institutions in securing the future of cities. In Cleveland, we are stumbling on a different formula: blending anchor institutions, mainly employers, with anchor amenities to create neighborhoods of distinction. University Circle is more than a cluster of employers and cultural institutions; it is also Wade Oval and the green of Case Western Reserve University’s campus, coupled with the museums. Cleveland’s downtown can revolve around its anchor amenities as well – the lake, river, Playhouse Square and, most importantly, a revitalized streetscape that integrates these amenities with existing anchor institutions to produce a neighborhood that moves from the current population of 10,000 to Mayor Frank Jackson’s goal of 25,000 to an eventual population of nearly 40,000 residents.

 

The New City Beautiful embraces the power of competition, choice and individual decision-making. In other words, the success of neighborhoods is about the value proposition that they and their cities offer to both potential residents and businesses.

 

Building dense, walkable neighborhoods is all about weaving many small but essential details into a rich urban fabric. What holds the campuses of the University of Cincinnati and Youngstown State University together? What makes Georgetown, Beacon Hill or the new waterfront of Malmo, Sweden, work? In all cases, it is the quality of urban design and, surprisingly, the use of green space as an anchor amenity. UC has its football stadium, which is open to all; Georgetown has its canal; and Beacon Hill has the Charles River and the Esplanade. Malmo attempted to replace its failed shipyard with an auto plant, which also failed. The city then found success in transfiguring industrial rubble into the striking Turning Torso, a sculpture-like skyscraper that integrates with a magnificent waterfront. Malmo exhibits the elements of the New City Beautiful: anchoring green space, a striking signature building that integrates with the street at a human scale, enticing urban design, and varying land uses – mainly residential, mixed with offices and retail.

 

The New City Beautiful recognizes the power of green space for both passive and active recreation as a way of increasing property values and decreasing risk. The New City Beautiful emphasizes quality, well-integrated public space. The New City Beautiful underscores the importance of function and how streets and buildings relate to a greener future. The New City Beautiful understands the importance of beauty in its overarching design. Art and culture play a direct role in building urban neighborhoods that work. They serve as magnets to attract and hold in place the individuals needed to sustain businesses and the businesses that employ and serve individuals. The urban experience is increasingly amenity-driven, not retail-driven.

 

The experience of shopping is now spread along a continuum from armchair convenience at one end (where the Internet and clicks are winning over cars and bricks) and entertainment at the other, with the traditional view of shopping landing somewhere in the middle. The notion that destination retail will rebuild neighborhoods is laughable and certainly not bankable. To be a destination, a neighborhood – even a commercial neighborhood – has to be authentic and offer unique value. Unique urban neighborhoods cannot be built around national chain stores and restaurants. Cleveland should have learned this lesson with the failure of the Galleria.

 

What drove this point home to me was a rootless night I spent in Virginia Beach’s new downtown after giving a speech. It is also a lesson I relearn every time I spend a night in Columbus’ Easton Town Center. Both are retail-driven malls that are prospering simply by killing off their predecessor malls. Both of these developments will do well as long as their retail mix is unique in the region, but their growth will slow when the stores are knocked off in competing properties. Although both of these include hotels, what is missing in these developments is a neighborhood; a unique, local experience; and a local anchor amenity. You can have the same experience at any exit ramp in any major metropolitan area. These so-called distinctive “upscale lifestyle centers” all have American Eagle, P.F. Chang’s and California Pizza Kitchen. Give me Boo Long in Cleveland, Tony Packo’s in Toledo, or Old Forge Pizza in Scranton, Pennsylvania. For retail, I’ll take Geiger’s in Lakewood, the Banyan Tree in Tremont, or the localness of Austin.

 

Every city serves four distinct populations: a work population, a residential population, a regional population that consumes available entertainment options – think of them as day-tourists ¬– and a tourist population that rents hotel rooms. Thriving, inviting urban centers are those that manage to serve the needs of all four of those populations well. Good urban centers have distinctive recreation amenities: Chicago has its shoreline bike path; Reno, Nevada, has its downtown whitewater park and kayak slalom. Cities are now driven by muscle-powered sports. Thinking “green” should go beyond efforts such as the City of Cleveland’s new green building codes. Cities need to be setting aside green space for the active and passive enjoyment of the different populations they serve. Safe, well-maintained city parks add to the attractiveness – and the attraction strategy – of cities.

 

Good urban centers also have unique cultural amenities. Chicago has the Lincoln Park Zoo and the Art Museum in terms of formal culture. But what is most impressive is how many successful downtown neighborhoods have active green space. I mentioned Reno’s active green space earlier, but Portland, Oregon, provides a “deconstructive” example of remaking its cityscape with its move to tear down a highway to free up its riverfront. St. Louis and University City share an anchor institution in Washington University, but the area also has an anchor amenity in Forest Park. What works in New Orleans is not the French Quarter, but the Riverwalk on the Mississippi and Uptown, where the river, local retail and the zoo come together on the fringes of Tulane. Included among cultural amenities are distinct, street-level retail options. In addition to serving the needs of residents and providing the connective tissue among urban neighborhoods, these retail establishments must be unique enough to attract shoppers from throughout the region. It’s not enough to plop suburban mall shopping options in an urban retail setting. The goal must be to entice shoppers, diners and culture consumers to a true urban experience. As mall retail collapses across the state, downtowns must seize the opportunity to turn migration patterns back inward. Street-level urban activities, enhanced by art-driven displays and experiences, are a starting point.

 

The consequence of failing to truly transform the state’s urban landscape is clear: People tend to start businesses where they live. If no one lives downtown, no one will start new businesses there. Businesses also spring up near unique talent pools. Until cities begin to focus more on the kinds of experiences and opportunities that attract these pools of talent, other business attraction efforts will likely fail. If downtown Cleveland isn’t resuscitated as the fundamental core for the surrounding neighborhoods and communities, the entire region is doomed to collapse upon itself.

 

CSU anchors the eastern end of downtown Cleveland, making engaged learning accessible to students and area businesses, providing thousands of jobs and maintaining the physical infrastructure of an 85-acre metropolitan campus. CSU can contribute even more to neighborhood development by focusing on improving access to art, art education and display of art on campus. Economic development opportunities also exist in partnering with neighboring Playhouse Square, the nation’s second-largest theater complex.

 

CSU has already begun a partnership with Playhouse Square and the Cleveland Institute of Art to develop the District of Design. The goal of the collaboration is to draw on Northeast Ohio’s deep talent and rich history in product design to create a one-of-a-kind street-level presence to improve the work experience for wholesale buyers. The District of Design would provide a street-level showplace for some of the area’s top manufacturers to display and develop their new products for commercial buyers and casual shoppers. This envisioned commercial center would be flanked by consumer product enterprises attracted to an exciting, new downtown residential neighborhood, and it would link to the city’s existing cultural and dining options nearby.

 

We’ll go into greater detail on the vision for and progress of the District of Design in a later column. And we will develop the principles that underpin the New City Beautiful in future columns. Look for another installment of Urban Developments next month as part of CSU’s weekly roundup of Ohio Economic News.

 

As this column makes clear, government, university and business leaders will need to work together toward artfully designing a New City Beautiful, a new urban landscape that is green, diverse – in terms of race, income, age, activity – and is authentic. Let’s discover it together.

 

Hill is Vice President for Economic Development and Interim Dean of the Levin College of Urban Affairs at Cleveland State University.

 

Stewart is a Fellow of CSU’s Urban Center.

Very informative jpop. Not to get away from what your discussing but, does anybody notice that the Public Square Tower Jacobs is proposing for in 2011 looks too much like the One Cleveland Center building? I mean it's the same exact looking model but about 6 stories shorter. Do we really want a minature version of One Cleveland Center on probaly the best space we have into making an incredible looking tower? If you wanted to really build that tower the only reasonable thing to do with would be to build it taller and right next to One Cleveland Center to give it that twin brother tower look. I think Jacobs has other plans for the parking lot area hopefully a 500 footer the would desperately fill in our skyline.

Very informative jpop. Not to get away from what your discussing but, does anybody notice that the Public Square Tower Jacobs is proposing for in 2011 looks too much like the One Cleveland Center building? I mean it's the same exact looking model but about 6 stories shorter. Do we really want a minature version of One Cleveland Center on probaly the best space we have into making an incredible looking tower? If you wanted to really build that tower the only reasonable thing to do with would be to build it taller and right next to One Cleveland Center to give it that twin brother tower look. I think Jacobs has other plans for the parking lot area hopefully a 500 footer the would desperately fill in our skyline.

The search feature is your friend.  :wink:

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,14285.0.html

I liked the Ned Hill article.  It would have been nice if he distinguished the urban green spaces that he was talking about from the driveway next to 668 that is being called "greenspace"

I definitely agree with Hill's argument about the retail component.  We have seen too many times that the metro pop will not shop downtown at the same stores that can be found at Beachwood mall.  Uniqueness is the key to bringing retail back. 

 

Same school of thought goes for entertainment and dining, but the business owner's downtown seem to understand that.  East 4th is a success because you won't find any of those spots out in the suburbs.  Besides the food courts, I really can't think of many restaurants or entertainment spots downtown that you will also find at Legacy or Eaton or Crocker.

 

Perhaps once downtown's population booms, then the chain retail (such as department stores) can return.

 

Although it is often criticized on this board, I also agree with his argument about green space.

At the same time, people living downtown should not be forced to drive to Beachwood if all they need is socks, or a non-gangsta shirt for their kid.  Being cut off from major retail detracts from downtown's promise of car-free living.  The unique retail will draw people in, but there won't be a solid sustainable population downtown without a full range of retail.  That includes recognizable chains.

Here-ye, here-ye.  This thread is NOT going to go down the retail brawl avenue.  Retail is what it is here, until there is either a large jump in population or some "national / departmental" retailer is willing to operate at a significant (and I mean significant) loss.  We can now continue with discussion of random Cleveland Developments... of which I've actually got a bit to share when I have some more time a little later.

At the same time, people living downtown should not be forced to drive to Beachwood if all they need is socks, or a non-gangsta shirt for their kid.  Being cut off from major retail detracts from downtown's promise of car-free living.  The unique retail will draw people in, but there won't be a solid sustainable population downtown without a full range of retail.  That includes recognizable chains.

 

Dude, I say this will love and respect, I understand where you're coming from and I know you only want whats best for our region, or you wouldn't be here.  But the reality is, you can't snap your fingers and have change.  Period.

 

Tower city is not coming back, nor would I want those things inside a mall at this time and place. Retail is hurting and retailers are not opening new stores.  Even stores in High volume dense cities like NYC are suffering.  When Prada, Barney's, Saks had 70% off signs on relatively new merchandise and instore traffic is grinding to a halt, you can't believe they will expand into a borderline (tier1 (restaurants)/tier2 (size)/tier3 (lodging & leisure)) market like Cleveland.

 

Other tier 1, Houston, San Fran, Chicago, Philly and Tier 2 markets like Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, San Diego are hurting badly because of over building and "anticipated" growth which will not come to fruition.

 

We have a marketing problem and the GCP is not in sync or intouch with what young, urban, diverse people want.  We can build all the housing we want but until they pull their collective heads out of their @sses and realize they need to fill store fronts not TC, we'll be chasing our tails.

 

We're not going to get a department store anytime soon, individual mass market stores is what we need to sell ourselves too.  This discussion has been had quite a few times and we have a dedicated thread, why start this here.

 

 

aht!

 

NO MORE RETAIL TALK (unless it's of the random development kind).

Kind of old didn't know where to put it. I searched for Parma....

 

New VA Hospital planned for Parma

Monday, November 10, 2008 

 

$7 million facility could open in spring of 2010.

 

Listen to the press conference.

 

(Parma) - The Veteran’s Administration has officially announced the new Outpatient Health Clinic in Parma be located at 8701 Brookpark Road, creating nearly 300 jobs while providing health services for veterans across much of Greater Cleveland. VA officials say they plan to open the clinic as early as spring 2010 following approximately 18 months of construction. Announcement of the new $7 million complex was made today at a joint news conference with Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Parma Mayor Dean DePiero...

 

 

http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/mlib/1263/11/1263_1226337045.jpg

 

Artist rendering of new Parma VA Hospital

 

http://wtam.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=122520&article=4556586#

Looks like the dentil work is coming along nicely (get it? dentil work? nyuk nyuk)

 

No Comprendo. I was about to correct you with "Dental."

:-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dentil

Ah, gracias.

punch, beaten

I understood what you meant by Dentil, but didn't get the joke. Or was that bad a joke that I can't even see it?

How about something new, how bout it?

I've heard through some development folks that TRI-C is going to open a home for its culinary arts program and that it will be located in the Higbee Building?  Anyone else heard anything similar?

I've heard through some development folks that TRI-C is going to open a home for its culinary arts program and that it will be located in the Higbee Building? Anyone else heard anything similar?

 

I have heard the same thing, but in a different location.  And the location I've heard makes a hell of a lot more sense...

I saw that a sale is pending on the La Salle theater on E 185th Street.  (That's the theater that wasn't demolished, wasn't it?)  It's on the market for $400,000 by the bank.

 

https://www.parkviewfederal.com/reo2.asp?path=search&property=156

I dont have the capital to go after this building, though by posting it here maybe a fellow UO'er would seize this opportunity. Check this thing out. Right in the heart of beautiful Old Brooklyn. 199,000. 11,300sqf

 

MLS Number: 2413055  Progressive is the company listing it.

I didn't see anything in Old Brooklyn in that link.

^^ Gavster, you mean this?

^^ Gavster, you mean this?

 

Yes! thank you.

THERE IS PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO ALMOST ANYTHING WITH THIS PROPERTY AND BUILDING-CONSTRUCT YOUR OWN BOWLING ALLEY,SKATING RINK, OR DISCO IN YOUR PALATIAL RESIDENCE.  :wtf: