April 15, 200619 yr I thought the tax credits stipulated the property must be a rental for 5 years. The pointe at gateway used historic tax credits and they converted to condos after 5 years, but maybe historic credits are different.
April 15, 200619 yr There is the market for both, Gateway is more "disney/touristy" then the WHD. As more and more people migrate to the WHD. I'm not sure I quite agree with this statement. I think I know what you mean, but there are still hardly any chains in either districts. To me a disney/tourist area would have a flagship McDonalds, Friday's, Planet Hollywood, or a Cheescake Factory. I guess the HOB is a little touristy and the lights on E.4th St. are a little disney, but considering the neighborhood has plenty of unique establishments Pickwick's, Flannery's, Lola's, Vivo's, View, and Corner Alley and Fantasy on the way in historic buildings... I wouldn't quite phrase the neighborhood that way. I think both Gateway and WHD are "destination" districts that are drawing people from all over the region, and perhaps the WHD even a little more so. A lot more people know about W.6th than E.4th. I think the Warehouse District capitalizes on the 20-30 age group, wheras Gateway offers a lot for a wide range of demographics.
April 16, 200619 yr Speaking of Districts ... what about the Theater District? That area is vibrant during the day (Mon - Fri) ... but at night, people walk in to the shows then immediately leave afterwards. There is no restaurants/bars to hang out at after the shows start.
April 16, 200619 yr Author ^ Worse, they enter and leave via the parking garage behind the theaters, resulting in significantly less sidewalk activity than there otherwise would be. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 16, 200619 yr Speaking of Districts ... what about the Theater District? That area is vibrant during the day (Mon - Fri) ... but at night, people walk in to the shows then immediately leave afterwards. There is no restaurants/bars to hang out at after the shows start. well people do go into teh Wyndham, but that is by default. I was so against them building that garage. People should be wandering about. The PHSD is a perfect area for some nice highrise condo's and there should be restuarants all over that place with the MILLIONS of people PHS draws a year!
April 16, 200619 yr On the topic of Playhouse Square Housing, I always thought that the corner of East 13th and Euclid would make for a great site for a high rise condo tower. It would replace a series of average two story buildings and would help the skyline to taper down heading east towards University Circle on Euclid. It'd be another interesting way to further the housing momentum that has begun from 12th and Euclid nearly down to Lakeside when the Avenue District is included.
April 18, 200619 yr Im just grateful to see all this development in downtown. I want to see more naturaly, but I am exited to see what we have coming up. the fantasy night club looks hot.
April 18, 200619 yr Speaking of Districts ... what about the Theater District? That area is vibrant during the day (Mon - Fri) ... but at night, people walk in to the shows then immediately leave afterwards. There is no restaurants/bars to hang out at after the shows start. There are a few, but it's really tough to make a go of it down there right now. I work part-time at Star, which is a good restaurant, but no one knows it's there, anytime I tell people I work there I just get a blank stare. No one goes there unless they are going to or coming from a show. If there aren't any shows, half the time the restaurants just close. The restaurants do a decent business lunch crowd though, and if there was some residential in that area, it would help round out the uses and activity.
April 19, 200619 yr I heard that a chain of Irish pubs is coming to the Playhouse Square area. There name is Molly Brannigan's. They're from Erie, PA. I've been there before and think it'll be a great addition to the neighborhood. Hopefully a new restaurant opening up will bring more people into the area.
April 19, 200619 yr There is a serious lack of Irish bars in Cleveland, nice to see that it is being addressed :)
April 19, 200619 yr Thanks for the links. Very cool interviews on downtown living. I also noticed a link on one of their pages to this: http://www.wcpn.org/mc/vault/radio_features/images/downtown/avenue.pdf It's an older, but very comprehensive packet of info on the Avenue District. The lower corner dates it from 2005.
April 19, 200619 yr There is a serious lack of Irish bars in Cleveland, nice to see that it is being addressed :) You really think so? Are you joking, because I can't tell. There are a number of Irish bars in the Flats, Flannery's downtown, and a lot in Lakewood, Kamm's, Fairview. How authentic you'd like these pubs are another story, but the west side of Cleveland is very Irish. I think we have more Irish pubs than most cities.
April 19, 200619 yr ^that's a classic "punch"-line I'm interested to hear about this new venue, as I feel that there needs to be/should be much more activity in and around PHSq at night. It's a shame that none of the uses on Star Plaza are open late or encourage any interaction with the street level. Vinea is just a bit too far down the row to really affect the plaza. The furniture store is quite attractive, but that row right there just to the west of US Bank would be an ideal spot for some eateries with sidewalk seating... I can't remember if Otto Moser's has outdoor seating in the spring-fall. Anyone else?
April 19, 200619 yr This is actually a true Irish Pub. I heard about this as well. Everything they put in the place is imported from Ireland.
April 19, 200619 yr I'm not sure. I heard Playhouse Square, but I'm can't be positive. Fado' would have worked if it had a better location. Fado' was a victim of The Flats demise.
April 19, 200619 yr well, i can think of a few prime spots in PHSq that have been vacant for some time! Namely, the old Christian Science Reading Room, the old Oberlin Art Gallery and the space next to the vacant gallery... There's also that building over at Star Plaza that was supposed to be converted to condos a few years back. It now has a for-sale sign on it and some grubby-ass windows!
April 19, 200619 yr The Christian Science space and the old Oberlin Space need tenants. I guess that I would rather fill the Oberlin Space--it has so many large windows that would allow the energy from inside to spill out onto the street. As it is situated across from the hotel, it would reduce blight and draw some visitors out of their hotel rooms.
April 19, 200619 yr Given the number of downtown workers (yes, even these days there are a lot) I think there is a surprisingly small number of financial district pubs, Irish or otherwise....I guess the gateway sports bars help fill this need but not really the same atmosphere. I think Downtown bars went the way of the Downtown side-street... Seriously though, how many non-sportsy, non-lounge, non-WHD watering holes are left downtown? Guv'nor Pub in Huntington Building, Flannery's....others?
April 19, 200619 yr " I think Downtown bars went the way of the Downtown side-street..." It's called corporations cracking down on drinking during work hours. The three-martini lunch is a rarity nowadays, as most shareholders understandably don't want to see their investment spent on employees boozing it up. "How many non-sportsy, non-lounge, non-WHD watering holes are left downtown? Guv'nor Pub in Huntington Building," Guv'nor Pub has been closed for years - go figure, they never advertised, they were located in the basement of a fortress of a building, and had all the ambiance of a musty cellar (using forest green carpeting to decorate shelves? Ick!). I'm not saying every place needs plasma screens, recessed lighting, and fiber optically lit martini glasses, but the place was just really really reeeaalllly dated. There are still a few places that qualify as pubs - Tavern on the Mall, Flannerys, Winking Lizard, Moriaritys, Little Bar (though in the WHD) to name a few. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 19, 200619 yr ^Yow, Mayday the activist shareholder! I'm not advocating daytime binges (though there's nothing wrong with an after-work pint!), just wondering if my impression about the relative lack of old-line bars is accurate...and it appears so. And I think the city is worse for it. One step closer to sunbelt blandness, IMHO.
April 19, 200619 yr "there's nothing wrong with an after-work pint!" Absolutely! I'll definitely drink to THAT! I'm hardly an activist shareholder but let's face it, with all the recent corporate scandals (and the Sarbanes-Oxley act which really stepped up on accounting accuracy) and the excess of the dot-com days, corporations are reallllly reluctant to 1. permit consumption during working hours and 2. permit alcohol to show up on expense accounts - that is, if expense accounts haven't already been eliminated. A CEO is going to have a hard time explaining why his salespeople have large booze tabs if the company isn't performing. There are also some liability issues there but you get the point. Honestly though - there are still indeed some old-line places in the CBD, enough to provide for those who are looking for that sort of thing. Plus, think about how many old-line bars there are within the city limits - I don't think we'll be seeing "sunbelt blandness" anytime soon :-) clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
April 20, 200619 yr I had lunch with my dad downtown last summer at the Metropolitan. He said when he was working in downtown Chicago in the late 70s and then Cleveland in the early 80s, it was very common for business men to all be drinking martinis at lunch downtown. Now it would be extremely taboo to drink martinis at lunch. Too bad things have changed.
April 20, 200619 yr Playhouse Square Pubs: The Hanna Deli Restaurant has a bar (on the 14th St. side of the Hanna Building, Molly Brannigan's, mentioned above, is allegedly planned for the Euclid side of the Hanna) and several outside tables in the summer. Part of the front of the restaurant is a window-wall that can be folded back to open up the restaurant to the outside as well. Otto Moser's does have some outside seating during the summer. Star Restaurant also has a small bar and outside seating during the summer. There are a few other drinking establishments in the area. The problem doesn't seem to be a lack of pubs, but not enough other things happening in Playhouse Square night after night. The theatres don't generate much street traffic because of the garage and they're not open every night. Even when the theatres are open, most people will go for dinner beforehand and then the show, giving the restaurants just one seating. We need more people living in or near Playhouse Square. I suspect it's tough for the restaurants to survive on a lunch crowd and a sporadic one-seating dinner crowd. Between Playhouse Square (particularly the United Way building (just west of the newly renovated Ideastream building where E. 14th dead-ends into Playhouse Square) and E. 12th there's almost nothing on the north side of Euclid that would generate any street traffic (exceptions include Cleveland Trunk and a men's clothing store, both of which have door buzzers that prevent browsing).
April 20, 200619 yr This is actually a true Irish Pub. I heard about this as well. Everything they put in the place is imported from Ireland Funny story, a while ago when my brother just started running sales at Great Lakes and Fado was about to open, he took my Mom down to meet the GM with a small group for a tour just before the place opened. While they were waiting for him my Mom and brother looked at the menu. My Mom is from County Mayo (like 90% of Cleveland Irish) and this GM guy was all exited to show her everything they imported from Ireland. "this fireplace came from a convent in County Clare, and these chairs came from a school in County Kildare" This guy was beaming, he could not be happier or more proud. At about this time my Mom, who is nuts, asks my brother as loud as she wanted to be "Did they import everything from Ireland? That was daft, they make perfectly fine furniture in America! No wonder they have to overprice all of their food. This place won't last one year" My brother said the GM's face just melted. Moral of the story: These "authentic" Irish pubs, with all of the etched glass and expensive floors would only exist in Ireland to cater to the land barons such as Lord Sligo. If you want a real Irish pub experience, try Moriarty's on E. 6Th.
April 24, 200619 yr I've been trying to try Moriarty's on E. 6th for a few years now.. they're never open besides weekdays at lunchtime. No weekends, no evenings, no special events, no nothing. It looks fascinating inside but when will they extend the damn hours? As a matter of fact, Teahouse Noodles, Dave's Cosmic Subs, the sushi joint, and all the other small shops on E. 6th are only open weekdays at lunchtime with the exception of Domino's at the corner of E. 6th and Superior which is carryout and delivery only!! 1 block from the "oh so happening E. 4th St. Neighborhood" makes no sense to become a ghost town while E. 4th stays open.
April 24, 200619 yr Mort's is generally open until 8 or 9 most nights. Definitely open for happy hour
April 25, 200619 yr It's just a little bar with some TV's. Not very interesting. It does feel "chummy" because it is so small, though. No food.
April 26, 200619 yr I think I have only been there once since the new owners took over, it may have lost some charm. It had poured the absolute best pint of Guinness in town.
April 30, 200619 yr Some small, random, and mostly suburban projects I ran across. Part one of two: Village Green plans unveiled: reviews mixed The Sun Scoop Journal, 3/16/06 It has a new name and soon the Green Lite Shopping Center will have a new look. Bridge could be beaming in summer '07 Lorain Morning Journal, 3/25/06 The lighting project for the Charles Berry Bascule Bridge is moving forward, but Lorain County officials say the drawbridge won't be any brighter until the summer 2007... Indian museum moves into new home Associated Press, 3/26/06 A museum that teaches schoolchildren about how American Indians lived generations ago and showcases prehistoric artifacts has found a new home... Links to be reduced to nine-hole course The News Sun, 3/30/06 The Eliza Jennings Senior Care Network has announced a restructuring for The Links public golf course effective in April... County approves expansion for CHP Elyria Chronicle-Telegram, 3/31/06 Community Health Partners plans to expand its cardiac catheterization unit and bring new technology to the Ireland Cancer Center facility with about $11 million of $450 million in revenue bonds approved Thursday by county commissioners... Lyndhurst not so sure rec center is right for city Cleveland Plain Dealer, 4/1/06 Supporters of a plan to build a recreation center for three cities want to press on even though one city might not play... Schools eye new complex Elyria Chronicle Telegram, 4/4/06 The North Ridgeville school board spent $1.4 million to buy 39 acres adjacent to the high school as the first step toward a new, centralized school complex to accommodate the district’s growing student population... Assisted living project possible Brooklyn Sun Journal, 4/6/06 A developer is once again eyeing land behind Ridge Park Square for housing that would include assisted living... Bell tower takes place back on historic church The Sun Herald, 4/6/06 The Olmsted Historical Society is keeping busy completing several renovation projects to keep the history of North Olmsted alive... Society volunteers and the Leimeister Tree and Crane Service of Berlin Heights placed the bell tower Dollar store stopped Garfield-Maple Sun, 4/6/06 A judge shut the door on a Dollar General store on Granger Road... Fire station plans head to Architectural Review Twinsburg Sun, 4/6/06 The satellite fire station plans are heading to the Architectural Review Board. The Planning Commission made that possible Monday night with a 4-0 approval of the preliminary and final site plans... Library marks new era Brunswick Sun Times, 4/6/06 Once a storefront in the Brunswick Plaza next to Dick Hoover Lanes, the Brunswick library has definitely come a long way over the years... Lyndhurst rec vote April 17 The Sun Messenger, 4/6/06 City Council could decide the city's future participation in a proposed regional recreation center at 7 p.m. April 17... Playground effort seeks "magic beans' The Sun Courier, 4/6/06 Like the fairy tale Jack and the Beanstalk, the Broadview Heights Boosters and Broadview Heights Department of Parks and Recreation need to raise some beans to allow a new community playground to grow on the Broadview Center grounds... Road stays narrow, for now The Sun Star, 4/6/06 The widening of south Pearl Road - seen as vital to the city's economic growth - isn't likely to start until 2010, a city official said... Senior housing situation returning as city issue The Sun Courier, 4/6/06 Senior housing is back as a citywide discussion topic... UHHS eyes a "major facility': Memo mentions 200 beds Solon Herald Sun, 4/6/06 University Hospitals Health Systems is talking to the city about opening a six-story major facility on Solon Road East between Sedlak Interiors and Erico Products Inc... Zoning in on big issue The Sun Herald, 4/6/06 A proposed cluster development on Bradley Road that was not approved by City Council is forcing the city to look at a larger zoning issue in this small triangle of land...
May 1, 200619 yr Part two of two: Commissioners OK paying architects $33,000 for EMA renovations Elyria Chronicle Telegram, 4/7/06 County commissioners on Thursday approved paying Collins, Gordon, Bostwick Architects $33,000 for additional work on the $1.2 million project to renovate a portion of the building housing the Emergency Management Agency/9-1-1 into a records center... City to keep Shore afloat: $150,000 a year for five years Euclid Sun Journal, 4/13/06 The resolve by Mayor Bill Cervenik to fund improvements at city-owned Shore Cultural Center is music to the ears of those who want to keep the building viable. PACE: Put rec center on ballot The Sun Messenger, 4/13/06 A citizens group that seeks to form a joint recreation district is not ready to throw in the towel.. Rezoning being sought for new housing units The Sun Courier, 4/13/06 Residents will have one issue on the ballot May 2. Issue 11 would rezone about 102 acres from office/laboratory to residential designation. Ziss plan eyed Pros, cons being aired The Sun Courier, 4/13/06 Ziss Brothers Development Group has a plan to build 10 single-family houses behind existing homes at the first bend of Stone Road. Euclid nonprofit set to rehab vacant houses Cleveland Plain Dealer, 4/19/06 A nonprofit Euclid group has taken a cue from Cleveland groups and started renovating a vacant house to get it ready for sale, but to take on more homes, the group will need a helping hand. A rough night for Ruffing: City stalls plans for property The Sun Press, 4/20/06 Ruffing Montessori School's plan to buy an adjacent property and redevelop part of it into green space for play and study is in limbo. Care facility eyes center The News Sun, 4/20/06 A long-term care facility has its eye on the Ford Family Learning Center. Design students learn on the storefront lines Lakewood Sun Post, 4/20/06 Creative vision and marketing ingenuity are uniting this spring to give several Lakewood businesses a fresh, new look. Nienal's gets a business makeover Bedford Sun Banner, 4/20/06 A vacant store in downtown Bedford will be transformed into a business center, a project spearheaded by Robert Carson, a local attorney for the last 30 years. Twin Creeks still raises concerns The Sun Courier, 4/20/06 Granite Development wants to build 11 single-family homes, called Twin Creeks, on land owned by Mary Savioli behind existing homes on Hillside Road in Independence. Company's plans may get crushed Euclid Sun Journal, 4/20/06 City leaders and residents believe cement company owner John Calabrese did not keep his word on a sales deal. Rec center vote tabled; YMCA a partner? The Sun Messenger, 4/20/06 About 75 people packed Council Chambers Monday, expecting City Council to make a decision about the city's future in a proposed regional recreation center. Changes on the way for Sheffield Lake waterfront Lorain Morning Journal, 4/21/06 Teenagers rode skateboards through the parking lot of Shoreway Shopping Center on US 6 one recent sunny day, as Lake Erie sparkled across the road. They could do so because so few cars were passing through -- more than half of Shoreway's stores are vacant, and graffiti defaces boarded-up windows. Historic Stearns carriage house moves to new home West Life, 4/26/06 A classic piece of North Olmsted history has moved into a rapidly developing new neighborhood. Judge may order Berea to build justice center Cleveland Plain Dealer, 4/27/06 Municipal Judge Mark Comstock said he may issue a court order to force Berea to build a long-debated justice center on its own in the wake of the failure to secure regional financing. Other partners for regional rec project? The Sun Messenger, 4/27/06 Officials from South Euclid, Richmond Heights and University Heights are still interested in trying to build a regional recreation center, even if Lyndhurst opts out. Volunteers help change a house into a home The Sun Press, 4/27/06 Volunteers are the fuel that keeps the Cleveland Heights-based Home Repair Resource Center going. Walkway would link lake to parks Euclid Sun Journal, 4/27/06 Within a couple of years, a walkway could connect the Euclid Creek Reservation and Wildwood State Park.
May 2, 200619 yr Author You've been a busy guy, Grasscat! Thanks for the compilation. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 4, 200619 yr Village Green plans unveiled: reviews mixed The Sun Scoop Journal, 3/16/06 It has a new name and soon the Green Lite Shopping Center will have a new look. It's time for a change and a change for the better, Mark Jablonski, principal of Great Lakes Resources, said. His company bought the plaza last November and renamed it Village Green Shopping Center. The rear 21,000 square feet of the center has already been torn down. It was too far back and aimed the wrong way, Jablonski said. A proposed 32-unit, single-family housing development called Duggan Place will take its place. I believe this is a Rysar project
May 6, 200619 yr Buying Downtown Condos Becoming Popular Condos Offer 15-Year Tax Abatement UPDATED: 12:51 pm EDT May 5, 2006 CLEVELAND -- There's an appeal of condominium living that is growing in popularity among northeast Ohioans. Because of this, there are more condominiums being built. NewsChannel5's Adam Shapiro sought information about why this type of living is becoming so popular in downtown Cleveland... Copyright 2006 by NewsNet5. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. FULL ARTICLE: http://www.newsnet5.com/news/9159775/detail.html
May 7, 200619 yr i saw the news bit on this last night too, they had some interesting shots of downtown cleveland
May 15, 200619 yr I didn't get to catch this news clip. What projects did they talk about in the pipeline? Avenue District, Battery Park?
May 19, 200619 yr Author A couple of interesting items that were put on city council's agenda.... C A L E N D A R Community and Economic Development Committee Meeting TUESDAY, May 23, 2006 9:30 a.m. MERCEDES COTNER COMMITTEE ROOM 217 CITY HALL Ord. No. 786-06 By Council Members Zone, Pierce Scott, Cimperman, Sweeney (by departmental request) Authorizing the Director of Economic Development to enter into contract with Congeni Investments, LLC, to provide economic development assistance to partially finance the acquisition of real property located at 2034 West 65th Street [just south of Madison Avenue) and all other associated costs necessary to redevelop the property. Estimated Cost: $80,000 Remarks by Director of Economic Development Department: See Legislation. Ord. No. 787-06 By Council Members Pierce Scott, Lewis, Sweeney (by departmental request) Authorizing the Director of Economic Development to enter into a Seventh Amendment to the lease with the Rockwell Company LLP to lease property for the Downtown One-Stop facility at 1701 East 13th Street for a two-month period; authorizing a month-to-month interim extension of the Seventh Amendment with Rockwell Company LLP, until such time as the facility relocates to 1020 Bolivar Road; and authorizing the Director of Economic Development to lease certain property located at 1020 Bolivar Road for USA Parking Systems Inc., for a term of ten years, for the public purpose of operating a comprehensive workforce service center to job seekers and employers. Estimated Cost: $723,511 Remarks by Director of Economic Development Department: See Legislation. C A L E N D A R Finance Committee Meeting MONDAY, May 22, 2006 2:00 p.m. MERCEDES COTNER COMMITTEE ROOM 217 CITY HALL Ord. No. 578-06 By Mayor Jackson Authorizing the Mayor to enter an agreement with the City of Independence for the purpose of sharing the income tax revenue to be paid by players and relocated administrators of the Cleveland Cavaliers as a result of the relocation of the team’s practice facilities to a new complex to be located in Independence, Ohio. Remarks by Director of Finance Department: See Legislation. Remarks by Director of Law Department: There is no legal objection to the passage of this legislation if amended. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 19, 200619 yr surfohio 0'-Surface Lot Online Posts: 12 Re: CLEVELAND - Euclid/East 4th update! « Reply #14 on: Today at 09:00:45 am » Quote Modify -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does anybody know what happened to the Negro League baseball jerseys that were in the window display above the jewelry store? I thought they were a fine historical tribute that fit in well with atmosphere of the block. Re: CLEVELAND - Euclid/East 4th update! « Reply #16 on: Today at 09:41:26 am » Quote Modify -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mystery solved! The owner of the jewlry store, Bob Zimmer, is opening The Baseball Heritage Museum in the Colonial Marketplace. 4,800 square feet of space with all kinds of authentic memorabilia!!! The grand opening is tomorrow, coinciding with the Indians-Pirates game. As a salute to the Negro Leagues, the Tribe will be wearing throwback Cleveland Buckeye jerseys and Pirates will be wearing the colors of the Homestead Grays. Get out of the suburbs, downtown is the place to be. Scott
May 19, 200619 yr I didn't think I would ever say it, but downtown Cleveland just seems to be "electrified" lately.
May 21, 200619 yr Author ^ I agree, and I've wanted to display all that's pending, planned and possible on a single map. I started working on the map about two months ago and it's still not finished. But it's far enough along that I don't mind sharing it here. It still needs numbers posted within the dots to correspond to identifications for each project, plan or proposal. But the sheer number of dots already conveys a message (scroll right to view entire image)... And I'm sure I'm leaving out a few dots, too! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 22, 200619 yr http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060522/FREE/60519023/1004&Profile=1004 By STAN BULLARD 6:00 am, May 22, 2006 Landmark Management has decided to convert Water Street Apartments, 1111 W. Ninth St., to condos...
May 22, 200619 yr http://www.crainscleveland.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060522/FREE/60519023/1004&Profile=1004 By STAN BULLARD 6:00 am, May 22, 2006 Landmark Management has decided to convert Water Street Apartments, 1111 W. Ninth St., to condos. Robert Rains, a Landmark partner, said prices at the 100-suite building range from $89,000 for a one-bedroom city view to $340,000 for a three-bedroom lake view. Landmark is putting $1 million into updates, from granite countertops to wood floors, to adapt it to the for-sale market. Realty One Real Living has the listing. I knew it! As more developments happend downtown, those "rental buildings" will start to flip to condo's..cause new building to be built to "house" those that do not want to own or are not in the position to purchase at this time. I remember someone stating that many of the building in the HWD cannot go condo for a certain amount of time(IRRC 15 yrs.), based on historic tax credits, loans, etc. It would be nice to see which buildings have that stipulation and when they are clause ends.
May 23, 200619 yr I also saw a thing on progressive urban/realty one that walker weeks building is starting to go condo. I think alot of the recent conversions have to do with when tax credit restrictions expiring. I just wonder if/when we will see more new rentals construction, it needs a mix so people can move up the housing chain downtown.
May 23, 200619 yr Author ^ Interesting thought. In a perfect urban world, "moving up" no longer would mean moving out to new "designer" homes in the exurbs to convey a sense of loftier status. Rather, moving up would mean exactly that -- to a larger condo on a higher floor in a taller building downtown. That way, those who need to convey status with a loftier address would be able to do just that. Don't get me wrong, I get that whole status, self-actualizing thing. I'd feel even better about my position in life if I had a kick-ass condo on the 30th floor with a stunning view of downtown and the lake. As some of the high-rise downtown developments emerge, like the Avenue District, Lighthouse Landing and the others, I suspect this aspect will be played upon by the developers' marketing staff. It can be a powerful message by the seller, and ultimately by the buyer. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 23, 200619 yr I also saw a thing on progressive urban/realty one that walker weeks building is starting to go condo. I think alot of the recent conversions have to do with when tax credit restrictions expiring. I just wonder if/when we will see more new rentals construction, it needs a mix so people can move up the housing chain downtown. Walker and weeks has some awesome units...I would consider moving there if they go condo, especially with the work being done at Cleveland State and being able to look out onto historic Prospect.
May 25, 200619 yr Aqua faded blue color represents recent development (e.g. < 2 years) or upcoming development. I see a hotbed in University Circle (especially UH/CC/CWRU), E. 4th St., CSU, and all over the north side of downtown from the flats, to warehouse district to convention center to avenue district. This map doesn't even include the west side which is also under development fire near West 25th, all over Tremont, OC, and Detroit Shoreway! Here's downtown east of PS and the near east side up to UC/LI:: <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/bizbizjohn/developments1.gif"> OK, let's zoom in on a particular segment of the city. E. 4th St.: <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/bizbizjohn/developments2.gif"> And a look at University Circle is also experiencing some development unforseen in years past: <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/bizbizjohn/developments3.gif"> The UC map doesn't even include the institutions being expanded in Wade Oval (Aviation, History museums) nor does it include much of CWRU and CC's projects throughout. So I'd say at least 5-10 new developments are absent in that pic. I guess it's a very good thing when there is SO much development, you can't keep up with it all.
May 25, 200619 yr Intersting thought KJP about living status. It's transpired and works in other cities, I'm sure it'll happen here with the right amount of development and options for folks.
May 25, 200619 yr OK, let's zoom in on a particular segment of the city. E. 4th St.: <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/bizbizjohn/developments2.gif"> I have a question about the E4 map. On East Ninth it has a listing for the new "federal" building. Don't you mean new "county" adminstration offices, or have I missed something?
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