June 18, 20195 yr Retail OMG! No IKEA, but something... https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2019/06/dgx-dollar-generals-hipper-smaller-concept-store-opens-in-downtown-cleveland.html
June 19, 20195 yr 6 hours ago, RE Developer In Training said: Retail OMG! No IKEA, but something... https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2019/06/dgx-dollar-generals-hipper-smaller-concept-store-opens-in-downtown-cleveland.html I was coming to post this ?. It's the first step to an urban target/IKEA, hahahaha.
June 19, 20195 yr 7 hours ago, RE Developer In Training said: Retail OMG! No IKEA, but something... https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2019/06/dgx-dollar-generals-hipper-smaller-concept-store-opens-in-downtown-cleveland.html I went in and looked around and was surprised to the prices inside. The basic households/groceries were not expensive at all, the cheapest I've seen downtown. They have fresh produce, milk, eggs, frozen. It's nice seeing a concept store like this come downtown, but I hope it doesn't take away business from smaller mom n pop convenience stores downtown(I think it will, but that's just my opinion) I've seen many videos and read many articles about the trouble DG and other dollar chains have caused to small retail outlets in rural communities https://www.fastcompany.com/90278384/why-dollar-stores-are-bad-business-for-the-neighborhoods-they-open-in Would it be unwise to say they could possibly cause similar havoc disruption in a downtown environment? Edited June 19, 20195 yr by CLEGenZ
June 19, 20195 yr There used to be a full grocery in the Reserve complex---it was small, but had produce, meats, non-perishables. Is that still operational? I haven't been there in a few years--but it was certainly there in 2012 or 2013 when I was there last. Maybe it closed and if so, DGX is simply filling a void that was created in terms of groceries--within the building---for the people who lived in the buildings and nearby by Chesterfield.
June 19, 20195 yr 5 minutes ago, Pugu said: There used to be a full grocery in the Reserve complex---it was small, but had produce, meats, non-perishables. Is that still operational? I haven't been there in a few years--but it was certainly there in 2012 or 2013 when I was there last. Maybe it closed and if so, DGX is simply filling a void that was created in terms of groceries--within the building---for the people who lived in the buildings and nearby by Chesterfield. That is still there. They also expanded and opened another location across the street at 1810 E 12th St, Cleveland, OH 44114.
June 19, 20195 yr Author What is the grocery store called? Do they have signs on the outside of the building(s)? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20195 yr 8 hours ago, KJP said: What is the grocery store called? Do they have signs on the outside of the building(s)? Simply Food
June 19, 20195 yr 10 hours ago, downtownjoe said: They also expanded and opened another location across the street at 1810 E 12th St, Cleveland So they have two locations on E. 12 or they moved? If they have two, that means we have now have--with DGX--three places to buy groceries on E.12 and Chester/Superior. Edited June 19, 20195 yr by Pugu
June 19, 20195 yr 31 minutes ago, Pugu said: So they have two locations on E. 12 or they moved? If they have two, that means we have now have--with DGX--three places to buy groceries on E.12 and Chester/Superior. The Simply Food inside of Reserve Square was there the last time I visited a friend at Reserve Square in January. The Simply Food on East 12th has been there since the summer.
June 19, 20195 yr The City of Cleveland, in cooperation with Woodland Cemetery Foundation, is rebuilding the historic Woodland Cemetery Gate House. The gate house was deconstructed block by block in the early 1990’s because of safety concerns. http://www.wcfcle.org/ Hopefully it can be reconstructed close to original. pulled from Wikipedia: Construction began in April 1870, during which time the south gate closed and a new west gate opened. The new gatehouse opened on November 8, 1870. The 80-foot (24 m) long structure was built of quarry-faced stone obtained near Independence, Ohio. James D. Copperfield provided the stone, and A.J. Piper provided carpentry work. The structure was Gothic Revival in style. The arch contained a central carriageway, with pedestrian gates on either side. The carriageway was 16 feet (4.9 m) wide and 22 feet (6.7 m) high. It was surmounted by a belfry, whose tip reached 42 feet (13 m) into the air. The roof of the arch was wood. Side buildings, each 18 by 22 feet (5.5 by 6.7 m), were attached to the arch. Each was accessed by a door under the arch, and each building had windows in the north and south facades. The western side-building was used as a waiting room, while the cemetery office occupied the east side-building. The structure's cost was reported as either $7,000 ($138,692 in 2018 dollars) or $8,000 ($158,505 in 2018 dollars). A small addition was made to the east side-building in 1876. Designed by architect Alexander Koehler and built by contractor A.J. Piper at a cost of $636.37 ($14,519 in 2018 dollars), this addition contained a coal room (a room for storing heating coal) and bathroom. Edited June 19, 20195 yr by WhatUp
June 19, 20195 yr Author I'm also hearing that the FBI may relocate from its site on Lakeside Avenue, possibly bound for the suburbs. The site I've heard is Fairmount Properties mixed-use development in Seven Hills, off Rockside Road, across the street from the Longhorn's Steakhouse.... Strike Force could land at Jennings Industrial Park https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/strike-force-could-land-jennings-industrial-park "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 19, 20195 yr ^I would be in favor; Lakeside remains the most underutilized street downtown east of E. 9th St. with the most potential.
June 19, 20195 yr I hate the FBI compound on Lakeside as its set back and gated from the street. But I hope the FBI stays Downtown where it belongs. Secret Service has been at the 77-Rockside area for decades.....They both should be downtown somewhere.
June 19, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, Pugu said: I hate the FBI compound on Lakeside as its set back and gated from the street. But I hope the FBI stays Downtown where it belongs. Secret Service has been at the 77-Rockside area for decades.....They both should be downtown somewhere. Unfortunately, if they stay downtown it will probably have to be in a similar type facility. I believe they were in the federal building before they moved and the GAO was keen to put them in a very secure location due to fears of terrorist bombing. Thus they had to be in a building off the street with gates and the like. Not a very urban friendly set up. If I recall correctly (although I could be wrong) the government at the time wanted them to stay downtown so that the agents were somewhat close to federal court. Edited June 19, 20195 yr by Htsguy
June 19, 20195 yr I wonder how difficult it would be repurpose their office/fortress if they decided to leave. It's only 15 or so years old.
June 20, 20195 yr Author There's a possibility that the city could take it over for the new police headquarters. But I would prefer that it be demolished or included in a vertical residential development. I'm always dismayed at our unimpressive lakefront east of downtown. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 20, 20195 yr ^Interesting concept about CPD taking over the site--I'm sure they'd love that. But how sure is your source re the FBI moving? as they own the building its not a rent issue---why would they move?
June 20, 20195 yr 11 hours ago, Pugu said: ^Interesting concept about CPD taking over the site--I'm sure they'd love that. But how sure is your source re the FBI moving? as they own the building its not a rent issue---why would they move? With certain post 9/11 safety features required in their buildings I doubt they'll be part of a mixed use development. For example the windows facing the lake aren't windows at all. You can't even see out of them. They require a security gate around the complex a certain distance away. There's a ton of stuff that new buildings have to comply with that just make them absurdly suburban in nature. I asked around at the Bureau and no one has heard anything. So if they are looking it hasn't trickled down from the top. Edited June 20, 20195 yr by KFM44107
June 20, 20195 yr Author Worth reading (and understanding why projects like Weston's Superblock and others don't get built)..... June 09, 2019 04:00 AM How Daniel Walsh, and his investors, are making money JEREMY NOBILE What about Cleveland? Walsh is essentially re-creating an investment business he built at KeyBank 20 years ago. He worked at Key for 13 years before joining Huntington Bank in 2010 as Cleveland market president, a position he left in 2015 to start Citymark. Walsh said he'd love to do some kind of deal in Cleveland, but the market simply doesn't fit his investment criteria right now. There isn't $1 billion in apartment sales in Cleveland (though Columbus recently hit that mark) and there aren't many large, institutional buyers for what Citymark would be selling. That could eventually change as the apartment supply builds up. Walsh pointed to projects such as The Lumen at Playhouse Square — which has been described as the largest residential project in downtown Cleveland in four decades — and the mixed-use high rise at One University Circle as examples of that. He did indicate he has eyes on the Opportunity Corridor, but it's much too early to evaluate what might play out there. "I'm excited for Cleveland, and I do think there is opportunity there that could accelerate (that path to $1 billion in annual apartment sales)," Walsh said. "It's a more long-term investment because you can't sell it if you want the full tax benefit. But it could seed the apartment stock for the next generation to get Cleveland to an institutional level." MORE: https://www.crainscleveland.com/finance/how-daniel-walsh-and-his-investors-are-making-money "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 20, 20195 yr 14 hours ago, KJP said: Worth reading (and understanding why projects like Weston's Superblock and others don't get built)..... June 09, 2019 04:00 AM How Daniel Walsh, and his investors, are making money JEREMY NOBILE What about Cleveland? Walsh is essentially re-creating an investment business he built at KeyBank 20 years ago. He worked at Key for 13 years before joining Huntington Bank in 2010 as Cleveland market president, a position he left in 2015 to start Citymark. Walsh said he'd love to do some kind of deal in Cleveland, but the market simply doesn't fit his investment criteria right now. There isn't $1 billion in apartment sales in Cleveland (though Columbus recently hit that mark) and there aren't many large, institutional buyers for what Citymark would be selling. That could eventually change as the apartment supply builds up. Walsh pointed to projects such as The Lumen at Playhouse Square — which has been described as the largest residential project in downtown Cleveland in four decades — and the mixed-use high rise at One University Circle as examples of that. He did indicate he has eyes on the Opportunity Corridor, but it's much too early to evaluate what might play out there. "I'm excited for Cleveland, and I do think there is opportunity there that could accelerate (that path to $1 billion in annual apartment sales)," Walsh said. "It's a more long-term investment because you can't sell it if you want the full tax benefit. But it could seed the apartment stock for the next generation to get Cleveland to an institutional level." MORE: https://www.crainscleveland.com/finance/how-daniel-walsh-and-his-investors-are-making-money A few times in this article there is reference to Columbus hitting $1B in apartment sales. Stupid question, but what is meant by "apartment sales"? Does this mean the total value of for-sale units sold annually? Or $1B in rent revenue from rented apartments? I assume this is referring to the city as a whole, not just downtown.
June 20, 20195 yr I think it means apartment building sales. A vast majority of market rate apartment developers will design and build (or value add redevelop), lease it up then turn around and sell for big multiples less than 5 years from deal commencement. Citymark for example, does value add re-positioning, and looks to be in and out within 3-5 years.
June 20, 20195 yr ^I don't know if it's really a vast majority of developers who sell within five years, but certainly these value-add investor buyers do. No surprise Cleveland doesn't have much sales volume of the types of buildings institutional investors would eye. Very little recent construction and so much of the legacy rental stock is smaller/older buildings, or held in long term local portfolios.
June 21, 20195 yr It's not as much as Cleveland fitting Citymark's investment strategy than Citymark fitting Cleveland's strategy. I am elated that these folks have a local HQ, but basically they flip multifamily projects the same way a small-time investor may flip houses. The properties are larger and the finances are more complex, but basically it's the same thing. And not to knock IRR as a business's key indicator, but in-and-out investors are much more likely to toss the keys and walk when times get tough, leaving empty shells, angry tenants, and a worse community.
June 23, 20195 yr Is this even worth spending the time or money on a study? This seems relatively obvious given no city outside of Cleveland still have meters like this. https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/cleveland-study-may-lead-end-mechanical-parking-meters?CSAuthResp=1%3A%3A91854%3A13%3A24%3Asuccess%3A6DC1911F5E84C1C6610A6965BEE1E521
June 23, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, newyorker said: Is this even worth spending the time or money on a study? This seems relatively obvious given no city outside of Cleveland still have meters like this. https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/cleveland-study-may-lead-end-mechanical-parking-meters?CSAuthResp=1%3A%3A91854%3A13%3A24%3Asuccess%3A6DC1911F5E84C1C6610A6965BEE1E521 I can't read it due to paywall, but I can only imagine.... The Jackson administration is incapable of their own thought..... Edited June 23, 20195 yr by Cleburger
June 23, 20195 yr IMHO, it’s actually a great study. It looks at what areas actually need parking regulation as well as how to transition to new payment methods. Should we just add an app? Cut off the tops of meters and add credit card payments (like Columbus) or do payment boxes for multiple spaces (like Pittsburgh).
June 23, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, CbusTransit said: IMHO, it’s actually a great study. It looks at what areas actually need parking regulation as well as how to transition to new payment methods. Should we just add an app? Cut off the tops of meters and add credit card payments (like Columbus) or do payment boxes for multiple spaces (like Pittsburgh). Pricing is also a calculation. Is the goal to ration parking (turnover ensuring availability) or to raise revenue? What price point will maximize revenue without killing demand? Should pricing be time-of-day variable? Lots to think about, really. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
June 23, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, CbusTransit said: IMHO, it’s actually a great study. It looks at what areas actually need parking regulation as well as how to transition to new payment methods. Should we just add an app? Cut off the tops of meters and add credit card payments (like Columbus) or do payment boxes for multiple spaces (like Pittsburgh). I think electronic meters in individual spaces is the way to (with an app too, of course). 1) Individual meters are much more convenient for people parking and 2) There is technology in meters where a sensor can tell if a car is parked there, which alerts parking enforcement if a car has overstayed its payment period and it also allows to reset the meter back to zero if the car left the space with unexpired time.
June 24, 20195 yr 16 hours ago, CbusTransit said: IMHO, it’s actually a great study. It looks at what areas actually need parking regulation as well as how to transition to new payment methods. Should we just add an app? Cut off the tops of meters and add credit card payments (like Columbus) or do payment boxes for multiple spaces (like Pittsburgh). As long as they don't hire the same company that designed the RTA fare machines please. I don't like having to conduct a transaction on my knees.....??
June 24, 20195 yr Interesting the article talks about the ability to surge/increases rates at meters with the new technology for special events. What this tells me is the only reason they cover the meters during special events now is to make more money from increased parking rates. It has little to do with traffic. As for Frank Jackson, he probably would need to conduct a $330K study to find out if beepers should be replaced with smart phones!
June 25, 20195 yr The biggest fear I had when Public Square was redesigned was the bad track record Cleveland has for upkeep and maintenance of their public spaces. Public Square has been done for years now yet those concrete barriers are still an eyesore. For Cleveland's main and major public space it looks terrible for it to not have proper barriers that don't look thrown together.
June 25, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, MyPhoneDead said: The biggest fear I had when Public Square was redesigned was the bad track record Cleveland has for upkeep and maintenance of their public spaces. Public Square has been done for years now yet those concrete barriers are still an eyesore. For Cleveland's main and major public space it looks terrible for it to not have proper barriers that don't look thrown together. No barriers are even needed. The square should operate the way it was designed.
June 25, 20195 yr 15 minutes ago, freefourur said: No barriers are even needed. The square should operate the way it was designed. Agreed but I feel like I read that the city had the concrete barriers up for "security reasons" and were going to replace them once they found a proper replacement. Three years later and nothing. Does anyone know if the city has ANY plans for a replacement, it's ugly and doesn't look good with all of these major events coming up.
June 25, 20195 yr 17 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: Agreed but I feel like I read that the city had the concrete barriers up for "security reasons" and were going to replace them once they found a proper replacement. Three years later and nothing. Does anyone know if the city has ANY plans for a replacement, it's ugly and doesn't look good with all of these major events coming up. The City does have a plan. It is to cost $2 million dollars. I still find this solution problematic. The curb bump outs, to shorten the crosswalk, leaves pedestrians in the direct path of oncoming traffic. The bollards are set back. Not sure how this is acceptable. There is no funding yet to implement this design. I also agree that Public Square wasn't thought through on maintenance and upkeep issues since the City has had to appropriate an additional $400,000 for upkeep. Lastly, this plan doesn't address the lack of bicycle use along bus only lanes. https://www.cleveland.com/architecture/2018/06/ugly_public_square_barriers_co.html
June 25, 20195 yr Honestly all of this is just putting bandages over the real problem. It was an awful, awful idea to "sort of" recombine Public Square, yet still run busses through the middle. Cleveland's biggest problem is all these half a loaf planning ideas. Either Public Square should have been recombined entirely, or they should just have given up and left it an open air bus depot.
June 25, 20195 yr Author Sorry, I don't see having transit running through a public space to be a problem. I see public transit and public spaces as the same thing. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 25, 20195 yr There are all sorts of public spaces. Public transit ROW's certainly are one, so is a ballfield, or an urban plaza. They can't all exist in the same space. Running busses through the middle of a public plaza that is busy with people was a dumb idea.
June 25, 20195 yr Public Square should have been designed as it's main purpose which is a transportation hub. Many, if not all, elements of the redesign should have been implemented into Malls A-B-C.
June 25, 20195 yr Author 7 hours ago, X said: There are all sorts of public spaces. Public transit ROW's certainly are one, so is a ballfield, or an urban plaza. They can't all exist in the same space. Running busses through the middle of a public plaza that is busy with people was a dumb idea. I disagree. It's a common marriage. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 26, 20195 yr 20 hours ago, X said: Honestly all of this is just putting bandages over the real problem. It was an awful, awful idea to "sort of" recombine Public Square, yet still run busses through the middle. Cleveland's biggest problem is all these half a loaf planning ideas. Either Public Square should have been recombined entirely, or they should just have given up and left it an open air bus depot. There's nothing conceptually wrong with the busway. Still leaves two large contiguous areas separated from vehicles, and fairly easy to push buses out the periphery for special events on weekends. But the implementation has been embarrassing. I find more and more to annoy me with the intended design and the city's ignorance of the transit zone funding requirements and post hoc discovery of pedestrian protection were embarrassingly stupid.
June 26, 20195 yr On 6/25/2019 at 1:12 AM, X said: There are all sorts of public spaces. Public transit ROW's certainly are one, so is a ballfield, or an urban plaza. They can't all exist in the same space. Running busses through the middle of a public plaza that is busy with people was a dumb idea. Yeah...this must have been horrible. Or any one of the multitudes of public gathering places around the world where people go to board public transit!
June 26, 20195 yr 11 hours ago, StapHanger said: There's nothing conceptually wrong with the busway. Still leaves two large contiguous areas separated from vehicles, and fairly easy to push buses out the periphery for special events on weekends. But the implementation has been embarrassing. I find more and more to annoy me with the intended design and the city's ignorance of the transit zone funding requirements and post hoc discovery of pedestrian protection were embarrassingly stupid. Literally nothing about their haphazard design is better or safer. Obviously it’s ugly, but I’m not sure why making busses pull over, then change lanes to drive thru again makes anything safer. One of my biggest peeves tho are the lime green painted planters, placed in the most inconvenient places, which makes it really difficult to walk around when there are more than a couple people around.
June 26, 20195 yr I agree that the Jersey walls and haphazard planters are very ugly and don't necessarily make the Square safer. However, I also get the need for buses to serve and then flow through the Square and not be bottlenecked. Clearly the Square's peripheral roads were not designed for that much bus traffic. Absent undergrounding the busway like in Seattle or Washington's DuPont Circle, the best we can hope for are some aesthetic changes and better design for what we have.
June 26, 20195 yr 4 hours ago, Cleburger said: Yeah...this must have been horrible. Or any one of the multitudes of public gathering places around the world where people go to board public transit! Yeah, looks like a perfectly pleasant place to spend a nice summer day! ?
June 26, 20195 yr Author I think that's what the malls were supposed to be for. I want greenspaces/placemaking downtown, but there's only so much you can do with Public Square. After Public Square became the city's transit hub 170 years ago, downtown, and indeed the city, morphed around that. Now, if we had more of a street grid downtown with more north-south streets and a rail system that had more than one dominant downtown station, we might be able to dispense with Public Square being the city's main transit hub. But, we don't. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 26, 20195 yr Author Some temporary "developments"...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 26, 20195 yr 53 minutes ago, KJP said: Some temporary "developments"...... Related, ASG stuff is going up around town, here's a few photos from yesterday. I've been wondering about investment based on major events- do y'all think the RNC, multiple national sports finals, and now the ASG have affected outside development in the city? Maybe it's a stupid question but what effects do you think these events have had on development?
June 26, 20195 yr Author Some of the developer sources I talk say they've noticed more foreign money coming into the city -- and when I mean foreign, I'm talking Europe, Asia, Middle East, etc. Edited June 26, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 27, 20195 yr 6 hours ago, KJP said: Some of the developer sources I talk say they've noticed more foreign money coming into the city -- and when I mean foreign, I'm talking Europe, Asia, Middle East, etc. "and when I mean foreign, I'm talking Europe, Asia, Middle East, etc." Huh? by "foreign" what else would you mean? In any event, that's good to hear.
June 27, 20195 yr Author The initial question was on outsider development. I've probably been hanging out too much on the Ohio Secretary of State's website where "foreign corporation" means Delaware, New York, California, etc etc. ? But some of the money is coming in from Ukraine, Turkey and, especially lately, Israel. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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