August 3, 20195 yr I agree with everything youre saying above....except for the K&D hate.....I just havent experienced bad service or management. They do a fantastic job at the Halle building
August 3, 20195 yr 2 hours ago, Clevecane said: Preface—please PM me if you know how to quote something between threads, because I wanted to quote this but move to FEB thread. Now that that’s out of the way: In my personal, and possibly humble, opinion, the issue bigger than micro-apartments is lack of neighborhood character. I’d be happy to move into a small apartment if the community around me were desirable. I’d be happy to shell out more for a bigger place for the same reason. FEB is missing fundamental components needed for a happy community. It’s a bunch of bars and clubs with no neighborhood amenities. The office tower has an overpriced, limited-selection, always closed “grocery store.” The office tower also has an incredibly subpar—and almost always closed—coffee shop. If I’m moving somewhere, I’d want a coffee shop, a dessert place, a pharmacy, a bookstore, etc. The things that add variety and convenience to an otherwise mundane and hectic life. FEB has the same businesses in 30 different varieties (i.e., weekend watering holes), but nothing else. It’s just far enough away from CVS and Heinen’s—especially because of the psychological effect of the hill and WHD parking lots—that it feels like an island of futility. Increasing frequency of the waterfront line won’t help. For years, I traveled between my office in Terminal Tower, meetings at EY, and my apartment at Reserve Square. Grant you, I would walk from TT to EY most of the time since the waterfront didn’t line up with my meeting schedule, but even so, that walk isn’t bad. It’s more that the waterfront line doesn’t get you anywhere from FEB. Once you get to TT, you still have to walk to CVS or Heinen’s and then all the way back (with groceries). You could also take the trolley (which I often did), but even that doesn’t get you up/down the hill—and you’re stuck going around public square and around all of downtown, to get home. It often leaves walking as the most expeditious, albeit still inconvenient, option. If I have the option of settling in the Flats and adding the walks to my chaotic life—or saving some money to be at a less nice and shottily managed apartment (here’s to you, K&D) closer to the weekly needs rather than the weekend wants—I’ll take shitty K&D every time... (or follow my GF to Cleveland Heights against my will ?). I did see the free trolley down at the round about by Lindsey's Lakehouse. Don't know if that was a one off thing or part of the normal schedule.
August 3, 20195 yr 20 minutes ago, mack34 said: I agree with everything youre saying above....except for the K&D hate.....I just havent experienced bad service or management. They do a fantastic job at the Halle building Good to hear! They’ve done an awful job of maintaining TT—we hear horror stories of broken stuff and lack of resolution from many of our co-tenants. And the elevators at RS we’re habitually broken. Hopefully they’re O&M budget can mature with their square footage. 4 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said: I did see the free trolley down at the round about by Lindsey's Lakehouse. Don't know if that was a one off thing or part of the normal schedule. Interesting—looks like they’ve added FEB to the C-line since I moved out of downtown. Unfortunately, that line only runs evenings and weekends. Fortunately, I suppose that’s when most urbanites are doing their shopping! ?
August 5, 20195 yr On 8/3/2019 at 2:42 PM, mack34 said: I agree with everything youre saying above....except for the K&D hate.....I just havent experienced bad service or management. They do a fantastic job at the Halle building The general trend with K&D is they give a lot of love to their newest properties and neglect their older ones. Ask Reserve Square/668 residents and you might get a different opinion. I tried to get an apartment at 668 five years ago and the leasing office was incompetent, didn't return calls, wasn't at the desk half the time, etc.
August 8, 20195 yr Years of development news and investigating Italian mafias in Cleveland, has he finally gone insane!?! on Westinghouse Redevelopment: 35 minutes ago, KJP said: Sniffles....? on City Club Apartments: 37 minutes ago, KJP said: Yay! ? WHAT COULD THIS MEAN!?!
August 8, 20195 yr Author LOL! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 8, 20195 yr On 7/31/2019 at 10:49 PM, Boomerang_Brian said: Obviously financing is the main factor, but I’m with you on your frustrations on the Waterfront Line. How infuriating is it to hear both Wolstein and FEB visitors complaining about traffic in and out of the Flats while simultaneously getting proposals from RTA that involve eliminating Waterfront Line service? It’s just mind numbing. Run frequent WL service to the Muni lots (and Tower City) Thurs-Sat evenings. Promote the hell out of it. Flats traffic problem solved. Agreed. Friday and Saturday evenings--especially during the summer? Seems to me that would be peak time for service.
August 8, 20195 yr 11 minutes ago, PaxtonMarley said: Agreed. Friday and Saturday evenings--especially during the summer? Seems to me that would be peak time for service. What happened to the Cleveland corporate community? Progressive should be sponsoring this as a way to encourage not driving after partying in the flats.
August 8, 20195 yr Author 19 minutes ago, Cleburger said: What happened to the Cleveland corporate community? Progressive should be sponsoring this as a way to encourage not driving after partying in the flats. They won't contribute if they aren't asked. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 8, 20195 yr I know there is a hyperloop thread out there in the transportation but i could not find it so i will post this here. Hopefully someone can place it where it belongs. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/chicago-cleveland-hyperloop-concept-expanded-to-pittsburgh/95-53059cdd-3f5c-40cd-b95d-42ca03e596bd
August 8, 20195 yr Author Try the transportation section...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 9, 20195 yr Author AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! About damn time!! http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3290&CASE=DF 2019-065 DOWNTOWN PLAYGROUND Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Downtown/Flats Case # DF 2019-065 Address:Great Lakes Science Center Company:Downtown Cleveland Alliance Architect:NA Description: The proposed construction of a new playground on vacant land. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 9, 20195 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! About damn time!! http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3290&CASE=DF 2019-065 DOWNTOWN PLAYGROUND Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Downtown/Flats Case # DF 2019-065 Address:Great Lakes Science Center Company:Downtown Cleveland Alliance Architect:NA Description: The proposed construction of a new playground on vacant land. What an odd place for it--completely disconnected from downtown residents and clearly designed for suburban weekend visitors. But, it's a start....
August 9, 20195 yr Curious @KJP if you're thinking about taking up a protégé who will take your place on this forum after you ascend into urban heaven, where not a single surface lot can be found downtown and the skyline stretches from as far west as Westlake to as far east as Mayfield Heights ?
August 9, 20195 yr ^ True. My kids would already be exhausted by the time we walked there! Maybe they could add a surface lot, so people can drive to it ? I agree though - it is a good start. My hovercraft is full of eels
August 9, 20195 yr Maybe they could just turn the Galleria into a giant indoor playground (only half kidding)
August 9, 20195 yr Author 7 minutes ago, Stormtrek said: Curious @KJP if you're thinking about taking up a protégé who will take your place on this forum after you ascend into urban heaven, where not a single surface lot can be found downtown and the skyline stretches from as far west as Westlake to as far east as Mayfield Heights ? Don't worry. I'm not planning on moving to Copenhagen anytime soon. And I want someone to take my place someday, not for me to hand it to them. But first you have to be partially retired, have lots of free time, or just nothing better to do. ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 10, 20195 yr 21 hours ago, Cleburger said: What an odd place for it--completely disconnected from downtown residents and clearly designed for suburban weekend visitors. But, it's a start.... Thats what I said on DCA’s Facebook. I was told there was supposed to be a second one, but I guess that’s not coming to fruition now.
August 12, 20195 yr On 8/9/2019 at 3:44 PM, gg707 said: Maybe they could just turn the Galleria into a giant indoor playground (only half kidding) honestly this is not a bad idea. maybe not the whole thing, but it would be a great location for a year-round playground.
August 14, 20195 yr Promising. https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2019/08/13/federal-infrastructure-bills-introduce-highways-boulevards-pilots
August 14, 20195 yr Author 1 hour ago, marty15 said: Promising. https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2019/08/13/federal-infrastructure-bills-introduce-highways-boulevards-pilots Ahem... Or... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 14, 20195 yr I'm definitely a proponent. I used to live in Lakewood and commuted to CCF. How's the West Shoreway conversion project going? Is it achieving its objectives? Has it opened up the lakefront?
August 14, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said: I'm definitely a proponent. I used to live in Lakewood and commuted to CCF. How's the West Shoreway conversion project going? Is it achieving its objectives? Has it opened up the lakefront? The West Shoreway project has definitely made an impact, but I would stop short of calling it "opening up the lakefront." It's still a "lite freeway" with a 35 mph speed limit that is mostly ignored. On weekends and busy nights at Edgewater the traffic backs up for miles getting in and out of there.
August 14, 20195 yr Author 1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said: I'm definitely a proponent. I used to live in Lakewood and commuted to CCF. How's the West Shoreway conversion project going? Is it achieving its objectives? Has it opened up the lakefront? @Frmr CLEder I responded here........ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20195 yr Author Here's an article to read just in case you haven't already read my NEOtrans blog. ? To his credit, Stan has more details in this three-subject article.... https://www.crainscleveland.com/stan-bullard-blog/westinghouse-remake-stalls Edited August 21, 20195 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 22, 20195 yr The issues they have with reuse of the smaller building complex (Westinghouse) could be solved by simply demolishing them, EXCEPT for the facades. Those facades have loads of bricked in windows that’d make great balconies if you stepped back 10 feet and constructed a building behind them. You could also incorporate an inner courtyard/public space that way. That’s my fix anyhow. They have a pretty limited use in their current form. Edited August 22, 20195 yr by marty15
August 22, 20195 yr Author Construction, growing traffic block RTA buses and intersections on a path to bigger buildings https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/construction-growing-traffic-block-rta-buses-and-intersections-on-a-path-to-bigger-buildings "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 23, 20195 yr 13 hours ago, KJP said: Construction, growing traffic block RTA buses and intersections on a path to bigger buildings https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/construction-growing-traffic-block-rta-buses-and-intersections-on-a-path-to-bigger-buildings This is great- we need more traffic jams to get people out of their Single Occupancy Vehicles and into public transit. Our legislature will probably just build more highway/widen roads though ?
August 23, 20195 yr Author Just now, GISguy said: This is great- we need more traffic jams to get people out of their Single Occupancy Vehicles and into public transit. Our legislature will probably just build more highway/widen roads though ? What's mind-numbing is that larger cities don't block off lanes and sidewalks to build big buildings. What secret sauce have they discovered that eludes Cleveland? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 23, 20195 yr 6 minutes ago, KJP said: What's mind-numbing is that larger cities don't block off lanes and sidewalks to build big buildings. What secret sauce have they discovered that eludes Cleveland? That's an interesting question. When I was living in D.C., there were many scaffolding-covered sidewalks. When big crane lifts were needed, contractors would wait until Saturday and block off the whole street. It was a PITA on weekends, but it was a logical solution.
August 23, 20195 yr 8 minutes ago, KJP said: What's mind-numbing is that larger cities don't block off lanes and sidewalks to build big buildings. What secret sauce have they discovered that eludes Cleveland? Totally, didn't mean to glance over that point. It was nice when JHB actually had a sidewalk lane going on, same with Athalon (albiet it took a year). I don't understand why it isn't written into city code or something, for instance, I was amazed at the pedestrian lanes on N High St. last year - arguably one of Columbus' busiest streets, and while it created traffic, it kept peds safe.
August 23, 20195 yr 12 minutes ago, KJP said: What's mind-numbing is that larger cities don't block off lanes and sidewalks to build big buildings. What secret sauce have they discovered that eludes Cleveland? My guess is the contractors know the City is going to say yes when they ask...so they do.
August 23, 20195 yr Just got back from NYC last week.....With all the massive amounts of construction on 1000' buildings, no lanes are closed and all sidewalks are open.
August 23, 20195 yr Usually its up to city code, OSHA, and company policy. It's safer for the workers that way, and if there's a dropped object nobody just walking down the street is in peril
August 23, 20195 yr 10 hours ago, GISguy said: This is great- we need more traffic jams to get people out of their Single Occupancy Vehicles and into public transit. Our legislature will probably just build more highway/widen roads though ? Yep, because that's what the people paying the bills (taxes) want.
August 23, 20195 yr 17 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Yep, because that's what the people paying the bills (taxes) want. Only people in cars pay taxes?
August 23, 20195 yr 37 minutes ago, E Rocc said: Yep, because that's what the people paying the bills (taxes) want. Theres nothing wrong with encouraging mass transit and other alternative transportation options. Frankly, if you're commuting in from Chardon, Avon, or Bainbridge, residents of Cuyahoga ARE paying the bills around the city. This will probably be deleted along with most of this thread, but I'm going go disagree with you on this one https://www.planetizen.com/blogs/105877-war-cars-bad-joke Edit: not to mention most bicyclists are car owners and gas taxes only pay for a fraction of infrastructure projects. Edit2: What major us cities dont have traffic? Our rush hour is a joke and same with traffic on our major corridors. There's absolutely no reason why 271 needs to be widened, or 480 expanded. We need a better transit system that can supplant cars, not more lanes that do nothing for traffic or make things faster. Edited August 24, 20195 yr by GISguy
August 25, 20195 yr Since there is little to no more "affordable" apartments downtown, those who service the new development have to be able to get to work.
August 25, 20195 yr Cleveland was one of the first major cities to build a mass transit system; before BART in SFO, before MARTA in ATL, etc. It remains one of NEOs greatest assets. Unfortunately, the city, county and state never had (and still don't) the foresight to see the value that a reliable mass transit system could mean for regional development. The street car tracks that were on every major thoroughfare in the city were removed. The trackless trolleys that supplanted them were removed. Today they rave about BRT, when they had it and got rid of it! Replacement costs are now prohibitive and leadership doesn't have the guts nor resources to move anything forward. What a shame?
August 25, 20195 yr Author This is the kind of industrial development that is in demand -- "high cube" (buildings with overhead clearances of 30+ feet and few if any columns). There are very few buildings like this in the city of Cleveland, and few singular, fee-simple parcels large enough to accommodate their construction... Developers ramp up action in industrial realty https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/developers-ramp-action-industrial-realty "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 25, 20195 yr On 8/23/2019 at 7:23 PM, E Rocc said: Yep, because that's what the people paying the bills (taxes) want. Yes, because cities and the people who live in them in Ohio are absolutely fairly represented in the state and national legislatures. And the representatives are never swayed by lobbyists and special corporate interests. I agree it’s a perfect system and nobody ever wants to ride the subway. Edited August 25, 20195 yr by bumsquare
August 26, 20195 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 26, 20195 yr 22 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said: Cleveland was one of the first major cities to build a mass transit system; before BART in SFO, before MARTA in ATL, etc. It remains one of NEOs greatest assets. Unfortunately, the city, county and state never had (and still don't) the foresight to see the value that a reliable mass transit system could mean for regional development. The street car tracks that were on every major thoroughfare in the city were removed. The trackless trolleys that supplanted them were removed. Today they rave about BRT, when they had it and got rid of it! Replacement costs are now prohibitive and leadership doesn't have the guts nor resources to move anything forward. What a shame? Today, Cleveland is being surpassed by almost every other major city in the development of urban mass transit (San Diego, DC, Portland, Houston, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Cincinnati; even believe it or not, LA; the city that allowed GM to buy the rights to light rail to Santa Monica so that they could shut it down) Edited August 26, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder
August 26, 20195 yr 13 hours ago, KJP said: YESYESYES!!!!! That stretch from Lake to 85th has so much potential. This will be an incredible addition to the neighborhood.
August 27, 20195 yr I went to a meeting moderated by the Green Building Coalition today and @KJP's name came up with his All Aboard Ohio work (praise for some sort of plan you've proposed). They were talking about landbridge vs. footbridge. Is there a discussion thread about this? I admit I am brand new to this group, issue, the architect panelists, etc so I apologize if this is old hat.
August 27, 20195 yr Author 16 minutes ago, rockandroller said: I went to a meeting moderated by the Green Building Coalition today and @KJP's name came up with his All Aboard Ohio work (praise for some sort of plan you've proposed). They were talking about landbridge vs. footbridge. Is there a discussion thread about this? I admit I am brand new to this group, issue, the architect panelists, etc so I apologize if this is old hat. Interesting. I wonder which plan?? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 27, 20195 yr 21 minutes ago, rockandroller said: I went to a meeting moderated by the Green Building Coalition today and @KJP's name came up with his All Aboard Ohio work (praise for some sort of plan you've proposed). They were talking about landbridge vs. footbridge. Is there a discussion thread about this? I admit I am brand new to this group, issue, the architect panelists, etc so I apologize if this is old hat. Hi @rockandroller! Discussion of the bridge to the lakefront has been happening in our general lakefront thread:
August 30, 20195 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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