August 21, 20204 yr Author I would have thought that re-revised nuCLEus plan would have moved forward by now considering the lease situation of its largest tenant. The fact that it hasn't moved forward concerns me. EDIT: but considering that Benesch hasn't extended its lease at 200 PS suggest that nuCLEus is still alive. Edited August 21, 20204 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20204 yr Author 2 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: Thanks as ever for the tease/ update @KJP! There’s a lot of great stuff there. Was the Geis condo tower one you overlooked, or is that in limbo? Limbo "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20204 yr Some Possibly good news - Downtown Heinen's to re-open in the Fall. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/heinens-in-downtown-cleveland-remains-closed-announces-it-will-reopen-in-the-fall
August 21, 20204 yr 3 minutes ago, KJP said: Limbo That's disappointing. @KJP Can you tell us specifically where this approx 30 story office tower was to be built or least the general area?
August 21, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, Larry1962 said: Thanks KJP for the update! Which development projects have been canceled? On one of my favorite projects I have not heard anything in a long time---its the Park Lane Condos (second on this list: https://www.centerforcleveland.org/current-cle-projects#University Circle). Do you know if that's still moving forward? It seemed delayed well before covid. Or is it one of the projects that is officially cancelled?
August 21, 20204 yr 30 minutes ago, simplythis said: Some Possibly good news - Downtown Heinen's to re-open in the Fall. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/heinens-in-downtown-cleveland-remains-closed-announces-it-will-reopen-in-the-fall Some inside info ---- the salad bar will be digital. 100% robotic salad construction in the Covid era
August 21, 20204 yr Author 40 minutes ago, Clvlndr in LV said: That's disappointing. @KJP Can you tell us specifically where this approx 30 story office tower was to be built or least the general area? There's two office towers that got delayed/canceled by COVID. One was to be taller than 30 stories and the other was to be in the 20s. I can't ID the sites because I don't know if they are actually dead or delayed. But they both would have built on small parking lots on the west and south sides of downtown. 22 minutes ago, Pugu said: On one of my favorite projects I have not heard anything in a long time---its the Park Lane Condos (second on this list: https://www.centerforcleveland.org/current-cle-projects#University Circle). Do you know if that's still moving forward? It seemed delayed well before covid. Or is it one of the projects that is officially cancelled? I hear Finch is still interested developing in that part of UC but it may be over in the Quad area across East 105th. Edited August 21, 20204 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20204 yr 58 minutes ago, KJP said: Limbo Dang! Thanks. What’s a guy gotta do to buy a high-rise condo in this city?? My hovercraft is full of eels
August 21, 20204 yr 11 minutes ago, KJP said: I hear Finch is still interested developing in that part of UC but it may be over in the Quad area across East 105th. What's the Quad area? the original site was already on the east side of 105--on Park Lane between 105 and 107.
August 21, 20204 yr Author 5 minutes ago, Pugu said: What's the Quad area? the original site was already on the east side of 105--on Park Lane between 105 and 107. "Across" East 105th means it might be on the west side of East 105th. Thus the Quad is the area along Ansel south of Hough. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20204 yr ^Thank you for telling me what "across" means. But "across" E. 105, that is, the west side of E. 105, would be Hough, not University Circle.
August 21, 20204 yr Author 7 minutes ago, Pugu said: ^Thank you for telling me what "across" means. But "across" E. 105, that is, the west side of E. 105, would be Hough, not University Circle. Yep "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20204 yr At least we never knew what the cancelled more than 30 story high skyscraper was - maybe we are more surprised and curious than disappointed at this moment!
August 21, 20204 yr Other than SHW, I didn't think there was anyone else in need of that much office space.
August 21, 20204 yr Author 2 minutes ago, skiwest said: Other than SHW, I didn't think there was anyone else in need of that much office space. Two companies would have been new to Cleveland. The other was local but wanted their own building with Trophy-class amenities. The latter may still be interested in the near future. And at least one of the new companies may still want an office here but the size is unknown. We'll see how things shake out in a year or so. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20204 yr Did one of the non-local companies change their mind about moving to Cleveland as a result of covid or just the economy in general?
August 21, 20204 yr https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2020/08/21/cleveland-planning-commission-approves-apartments.html?ana=e_ae_prem&j=90524973&t=Afternoon&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT0dZeVltWmtPRFJoTmpCbSIsInQiOiJCYlVNU1Q4WjFwK2FtV3JtVFE2S0V1U0lydk9wdHQyMUxKRVBsMTFFMENKcFpcL05IWng2YVRhdGRPU0tcL2IrbXZ0NDJpRWZNdkhxSGhJd2dTSDZJYjIyVVhWa0hWYmd1XC96MVY2N0hBaHVpZ21mcDlXK3FSVE1EcjUrOGpIaGtMbkJ1eThaMkwraFNaclRnOWlcL09LTVFBPT0ifQ%3D%3D What's this W 73rd project that got approval? Pretty large project that i dont think i've heard about.
August 21, 20204 yr 6 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said: https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2020/08/21/cleveland-planning-commission-approves-apartments.html?ana=e_ae_prem&j=90524973&t=Afternoon&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT0dZeVltWmtPRFJoTmpCbSIsInQiOiJCYlVNU1Q4WjFwK2FtV3JtVFE2S0V1U0lydk9wdHQyMUxKRVBsMTFFMENKcFpcL05IWng2YVRhdGRPU0tcL2IrbXZ0NDJpRWZNdkhxSGhJd2dTSDZJYjIyVVhWa0hWYmd1XC96MVY2N0hBaHVpZ21mcDlXK3FSVE1EcjUrOGpIaGtMbkJ1eThaMkwraFNaclRnOWlcL09LTVFBPT0ifQ%3D%3D What's this W 73rd project that got approval? Pretty large project that i dont think i've heard about. Planning Board webcast capture: Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
August 21, 20204 yr ^Listening to the presentation of the W. 73 rd apartment project by the architects, I was impressed by how much thought went into the building given the site and neighborhood and how they clearly listened to the community as the building developed. Comparing it to the nearby Edison (which looks like it could just as easily been developed on an empty lot in North Royalton), it is a real pleasure to behold.
August 21, 20204 yr 13 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said: https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2020/08/21/cleveland-planning-commission-approves-apartments.html?ana=e_ae_prem&j=90524973&t=Afternoon&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT0dZeVltWmtPRFJoTmpCbSIsInQiOiJCYlVNU1Q4WjFwK2FtV3JtVFE2S0V1U0lydk9wdHQyMUxKRVBsMTFFMENKcFpcL05IWng2YVRhdGRPU0tcL2IrbXZ0NDJpRWZNdkhxSGhJd2dTSDZJYjIyVVhWa0hWYmd1XC96MVY2N0hBaHVpZ21mcDlXK3FSVE1EcjUrOGpIaGtMbkJ1eThaMkwraFNaclRnOWlcL09LTVFBPT0ifQ%3D%3D What's this W 73rd project that got approval? Pretty large project that i dont think i've heard about. I think somebody from the neighborhood posted pics a while back in the Detroit Shoreway thread of the factory on the site being demoed. They are clearly moving at a good pace if that was completed even before final design approval.
August 21, 20204 yr Author 2 hours ago, Pugu said: Did one of the non-local companies change their mind about moving to Cleveland as a result of covid or just the economy in general? They weren't sure of how much office space they would need, if any. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 22, 20204 yr 18 hours ago, KJP said: Personally, my lifestyle hasn't changed much except having a kid learn from home. Locally and developmen-wise, we're doing ok. A few infrastructure projects have been postponed. A few development projects have been canceled. But nearly everything is still going forward albeit delayed. The biggest impact may be that if developments are delayed and all start around the same time, there could be some potential supply and labor issues. It's good that City Club is trying to start earlier to spread out the demand for labor and materials. The sheer volume of big, pending projects is impressive: + City Club Apartments + The Viaduct + Dream Hotel + Sherwin-Williams HQ + Rockefeller Building renovation + Unidentified skyscraper + Unidentified new neighborhood + 1250 Riverbed high-rise + Nautica/Flats West Bank neighborhood + Van Aken District high rise + CWRU South Village expansion + CC Neurological Institute + CC Cole Eye Institute expansion + nuCLEus + several potential new mid-rise buildings downtown and in Midtown + new county jail + new Justice Center courthouse I'm sure I'm missing a few but if many of those were to break ground within a couple months of each other, it could be problematic. What about the status of thr 3B phase of the Eastbank of the flats project?
August 22, 20204 yr Author 2 hours ago, Larry1962 said: What about the status of thr 3B phase of the Eastbank of the flats project? Unknown "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 23, 20204 yr On 8/21/2020 at 12:58 PM, YABO713 said: Some inside info ---- the salad bar will be digital. 100% robotic salad construction in the Covid era I hope you aren't pulling our leg, this would be genuinely interesting
August 26, 20204 yr On 8/21/2020 at 11:52 AM, KJP said: No, I don't know the heights for all the downtown buildings. I've heard rumors, however.... 1. SHW "Jacobs Lot" HQ tower -- 45-55 stories 2. SHW "Superblock" HQ structure(s) -- 10-25 stories 3. City Club Apartments -- 23 stories 4. Unidentified skyscraper -- 30 +/- stories 5. nuCLEus -- 25 stories Sorry for the delayed questions. 6. would be the courthouse tower at anywhere from 15 stories to 50?
August 26, 20204 yr Author 17 minutes ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said: Sorry for the delayed questions. 6. would be the courthouse tower at anywhere from 15 stories to 50? Could be. Right now, the powers that be seem to want the 15 (or thereabouts). Might even be more than one "tower" given the large amount of square footage involved. Probably 6-12 months away from knowing that. But I suspect we'll start hearing discussion of sites this fall or winter. Edited August 26, 20204 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 26, 20204 yr On 8/22/2020 at 7:11 AM, KJP said: Unknown Thanks for the update KJP. I read more recently I believe in a Crains article that his Chicago business partner in that project has until this October to decide whether to go ahead with the 3B phase of the East Bank of the Flats project. And that's why he wants to get an extension on the TIF's. So that he can refinance the bonds and have enough money to catch up the payments he owns on the project. And so that in October IF this project moves ahead he can more easily seek more subsidies from the city, county, and state to make the numbers work on this phase of the project.
August 26, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Could be. Right now, the powers that be seem to want the 15 (or thereabouts). Might even be more than one "tower" given the large amount of square footage involved. Probably 6-12 months away from knowing that. But I suspect we'll start hearing discussion of sites this fall or winter. I will be disappointed if the tower is not at least 30 to 40 stories. I’m hoping for that “whale”.
August 27, 20204 yr Author 4 hours ago, Watertiger1962 said: I will be disappointed if the tower is not at least 30 to 40 stories. I’m hoping for that “whale”. It's still a whale if it's in the neighborhood of 1 million square feet "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 3, 20204 yr Does anyone know if tomorrow's scheduled Cleveland Planning Commission meeting has been canceled? Still no agenda posted and also no agendas posted for the scheduled Design Reviews which should be meeting as I type this.
September 3, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, Htsguy said: Does anyone know if tomorrow's scheduled Cleveland Planning Commission meeting has been canceled? Still no agenda posted and also no agendas posted for the scheduled Design Reviews which should be meeting as I type this. The agenda is finally up.
September 16, 20204 yr I-X Center is closing. https://fox8.com/news/i-team/clevelands-i-x-center-to-close-at-end-of-the-year/
September 16, 20204 yr Ch 19 story.https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/09/16/i-x-center-close-after-years/
September 16, 20204 yr Maybe this is the motivation to more than double the size of the convention center downtown. In it's current size, most of the trade shows and exhibitions that were held at the IX Center can't be accommodated.
September 16, 20204 yr So airport master plan leads to IX Center demolition and a beautiful runway and airport expansion. Then the convention center gets doubled in size downtown with a new hotel. That is obviously what is happening right? Dreaming...
September 16, 20204 yr This is good timing, I would imagine, as the airport's new master plan is currently getting worked on. Isn't that right?
September 16, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, Growth Mindset said: Maybe this is the motivation to more than double the size of the convention center downtown. In it's current size, most of the trade shows and exhibitions that were held at the IX Center can't be accommodated. WhAt was the thinking in building a brand spanking new convention center downtown that was too small?They thought that the big conventions could just go to the I-X and they would pick up the leftovers?
September 16, 20204 yr Per the closing of the IX center from years ago, Hopkins stated they would like to build another runway but have deemed it not a necessity now, so the IX center's closure is not directly related. I do think it's a great circumstance considering Hopkins will be branching out and re imagining their entire facility.
September 16, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, CleveFan said: WhAt was the thinking in building a brand spanking new convention center downtown that was too small?They thought that the big conventions could just go to the I-X and they would pick up the leftovers? Well, it wasn't exactly a brand new convention center, it was a major renovation of the existing convention center. As such, I don't think it could have been expanded very much. I also believe they felt the size was adequate for the vast majority of events that would be held there.
September 17, 20204 yr Wasn’t the new convention center built as an incentive to have the medical mart?
September 17, 20204 yr Anyone know where this is? The Nest Mixed Use Development Valuation: $1,200,000Owner Type: PrivateBid Ends: Sep 16, 2020 Location: OH (Cuyahoga) Report #: 202000535027 v. 7 Description: Retail Business Space 8,360' and 18 Residential Living 15,266' - Rehab/renovation existing 3 story building /former BiRite grocery store - 3, 1st floor retail /office spaces/coffee shop - market rate units - fitness center - rooftop deck<<
September 17, 20204 yr 52 minutes ago, freethink said: Anyone know where this is? The Nest Mixed Use Development Valuation: $1,200,000Owner Type: PrivateBid Ends: Sep 16, 2020 Location: OH (Cuyahoga) Report #: 202000535027 v. 7 Description: Retail Business Space 8,360' and 18 Residential Living 15,266' - Rehab/renovation existing 3 story building /former BiRite grocery store - 3, 1st floor retail /office spaces/coffee shop - market rate units - fitness center - rooftop deck<< isnt this on Madison ave... close to west 117th
September 17, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, freethink said: Anyone know where this is? The Nest Mixed Use Development Valuation: $1,200,000Owner Type: PrivateBid Ends: Sep 16, 2020 Location: OH (Cuyahoga) Report #: 202000535027 v. 7 Description: Retail Business Space 8,360' and 18 Residential Living 15,266' - Rehab/renovation existing 3 story building /former BiRite grocery store - 3, 1st floor retail /office spaces/coffee shop - market rate units - fitness center - rooftop deck<< https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/11/revitalization-of-lakewoods-birdtown-district-continues-with-redevelopment-of-former-birite-building.html
September 17, 20204 yr 10 hours ago, freethink said: Anyone know where this is? The Nest Mixed Use Development Valuation: $1,200,000Owner Type: PrivateBid Ends: Sep 16, 2020 Location: OH (Cuyahoga) Report #: 202000535027 v. 7 Description: Retail Business Space 8,360' and 18 Residential Living 15,266' - Rehab/renovation existing 3 story building /former BiRite grocery store - 3, 1st floor retail /office spaces/coffee shop - market rate units - fitness center - rooftop deck<< Mixed-Use Building Renovation (former Madison Bi-Rite) / 12501 Madison Ave.; Lakewood ,44107 Jim Miketo - Owner with Forest City Shuffleboard / Little Jemmy, LLC Project received $657,101 in Ohio Historic Preservation Tax Credits.
September 24, 20204 yr On 4/26/2020 at 4:01 PM, KJP said: SUNDAY, APRIL 26, 2020 Seeds & Sprouts VI - Early intel on real estate projects Schofield Building to get new & renewed ground-floor uses According to a source close to the situation, Citizens Bank will open a branch location on the ground-floor of the historic Schofield Building. Despite the high-profile location at the southwest corner of East 9th Street and Euclid Avenue, also dubbed "Main and Main," the corner retail space has remained largely vacant ever since the renovated 1902-built structure reopened in 2016. The new Citizens Bank branch will reportedly not affect the next-closest Citizens Bank branch, several blocks away at Superior Avenue and East 12th Street. That branch is on the ground floor of Citizens Bank's regional headquarters building. Citizens Bank's main headquarters is in Providence, RI. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/04/seeds-sprouts-vi-early-intel-on-real.html Permits are now posted and interior work is starting in earnest on building this out. A, probably highly-automated, bank branch isn’t the most exciting use of this space, but it will be nice to see it filled and somewhat active. My hovercraft is full of eels
September 25, 20204 yr https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/weston-buys-three-northeast-ohio-industrial-buildings-189-million Pretty big purchase. What's this all about?? EDIT: URL is misleading as it's $18.9 million purchase, not $189 million purchase. Still significant though. Edited September 25, 20204 yr by LlamaLawyer
September 25, 20204 yr Author 1 hour ago, LlamaLawyer said: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/weston-buys-three-northeast-ohio-industrial-buildings-189-million Pretty big purchase. What's this all about?? EDIT: URL is misleading as it's $18.9 million purchase, not $189 million purchase. Still significant though. Gotta do something with all of that cash they got from selling the Superblock to Sherwin-Williams! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 28, 20204 yr On 8/26/2020 at 7:48 PM, Watertiger1962 said: I will be disappointed if the tower is not at least 30 to 40 stories. I’m hoping for that “whale”. Jesus Christ, for all of Cleveland's problems, I thought there would be less advocates for a 40 story courthouse paid for with public funds. Are y'all dense or what? How about using some of the money to make us not the poorest city in America, rather than rewarding those who uphold a garbage system with a billion dollar shiny tower.
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