January 7, 200718 yr Author When I interviewed Stark a little more than a year ago, he bristled at the suggestions made by others like Steve Litt that having only one architect is a bad thing. He referred to uniform building heights and sizes in many European cities (or at least sections of those cities). I don't know if his stance has changed, but I think it's important to note that Stark isn't going to build all of Pesht. He wants other developers to be involved in it, but follow his design principals, proposed street grid and so on. And when I covered Westlake during the time Stark was proposing Crocker Park, he also emphasized that he would have better design qualities, high-quality materials and funky streetscape features. He believes he has accomplished those things at Crocker Park. Whether he has or not is, of course, a subject of debate. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 7, 200718 yr I prefer Eton to Crocker Park. While both places are rather Disneylandish, at least Eton is better-looking than anything else on that street, especially the other strip malls.
January 7, 200718 yr eton: a strip mall is still a strip mall. Even if you put some pretty make-up on it.
January 7, 200718 yr ^^Am I wrong in thinking that Eton is a strip mall? I hate Crocker Park, but Stark did do a good job in designing it.
January 7, 200718 yr Well, there are some hideous-ass strip malls in every city in Northeast Ohio, so I'm not complaining when they fix 'em up and keep them full.
January 7, 200718 yr Eton is a fancy strip mall, but like Pope said... The marketing for Eton really depresses me...no-one who hangs out a strip mall can ever be described as the "beautiful people."
January 8, 200718 yr Design Within Reach and Details are the only reason to go there. or if all you want is pair of sevens like everyone else and their mother, indigo nation.
January 8, 200718 yr Design Within Reach and Details are the only reason to go there. DWR makes me laugh being at Eton- talk about losing your design bona fides. Their emails annoy the hell out of me too- the epitome of coastal parochialism. And I have not forgiven Details for abandoning the Square, though I do like that it's not a chain. ^Have you been to Eton? The people who hang out there seem to think they are... I shopped at Eton for the first time in late Dec. for last minute X-mas shopping (please Stark, give me an option downtown soon!) and had to snap a few photos I was so overwhelmed with the cheese of it all. I was surprised how un-crowded it was right before X-mas. And I agree with you: the population there reinforced my general goal of staying strictly west of Warrensville Center road when in the Clevo area.
January 8, 200718 yr Design Within Reach and Details are the only reason to go there. or if all you want is pair of sevens like everyone else and their mother, indigo nation. I've seen True Religion, Rock & Rep., G Star & Marc/Marc Jacobs items are sold there, but they don't seem to have a great deal of variety of products or sizes. Based on that, I don't find it a store that I can recommend. Design Within Reach and Details are the only reason to go there. DWR makes me laugh being at Eton- talk about losing your design bona fides. Their emails annoy the hell out of me too- the epitome of coastal parochialism. And I have not forgiven Details for abandoning the Square, though I do like that it's not a chain. ^Have you been to Eton? The people who hang out there seem to think they are... I shopped at Eton for the first time in late Dec. for last minute X-mas shopping (please Stark, give me an option downtown soon!) and had to snap a few photos I was so overwhelmed with the cheese of it all. I was surprised how un-crowded it was right before X-mas. And I agree with you: the population there reinforced my general goal of staying strictly west of Warrensville Center road when in the Clevo area. Well I like DWR. I am upset that details left the square, but I like the product. J73, what was your opinion of the patrons and why stay west of Warrensville?
January 8, 200718 yr Design Within Reach and Details are the only reason to go there. or if all you want is pair of sevens like everyone else and their mother, indigo nation. I've seen True Religion, Rock & Rep., G Star & Marc/Marc Jacobs items are sold there, but they don't seem to have a great deal of variety of products or sizes. Based on that, I don't find it a store that I can recommend. every time i stroll in there it seems that 70% of their men's merchandise is four cuts of sevens. Other than that, you're lucky if you can find anything worthwhile. I second your, "not recommended". Speaking of recommended, where the hell can a guy finds some sewn's or pdc's? I'm getting sick of going to detroit every time i need jeans.
January 8, 200718 yr Design Within Reach and Details are the only reason to go there. or if all you want is pair of sevens like everyone else and their mother, indigo nation. I've seen True Religion, Rock & Rep., G Star & Marc/Marc Jacobs items are sold there, but they don't seem to have a great deal of variety of products or sizes. Based on that, I don't find it a store that I can recommend. every time i stroll in there it seems that 70% of their men's merchandise is four cuts of sevens. Other than that, you're lucky if you can find anything worthwhile. I second your, "not recommended". Speaking of recommended, where the hell can a guy finds some sewn's or pdc's? I'm getting sick of going to detroit every time i need jeans. and on top of that everything seems to be for some who has a size 29 waist. Guys like MayDay can clean up in there...if they happen to be shopping, when items are first put out on the floor. Good jeans at Saks or Nordstrom at Beachwood? once yo ufind a good brand you can always order over the internet for future purchases.
January 8, 200718 yr As much as I'd love to be able to squeeze my cracker curves into a 29 waist, it ain't gonna happen - not without serious injury. I know they aren't "premium" denim but I have always had good luck with Mavi and heaven forbid, DKNY. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
January 8, 200718 yr As much as I'd love to be able to squeeze my cracker curves into a 29 waist, it ain't gonna happen - not without serious injury. I know they aren't "premium" denim but I have always had good luck with Mavi and heaven forbid, DKNY. MayDay, seriously, I have a hard time believing you can't fit into a 29. You can't be any bigger than a 30" waist - max. You look so tiny in a good way.
January 9, 200718 yr Driving around Downtown Cleveland the other day, I notice several buildings on sale that caught my eye. I don’t know if anyone knows anything about them: The Muller Building, I have some information on it, being that the owners went under, that’s about it. So what are they going to do with the building now? 1224 Huron Rd. I know this one is for sale, and it’s a nice building, I just don’t know anything else about It. What’s the condition of the building, the price it going for, and if it is really worth putting money into it.
January 9, 200718 yr and on top of that everything seems to be for some who has a size 29 waist. Guys like MayDay can clean up in there...if they happen to be shopping, when items are first put out on the floor. I promise not too get too off topic, as I too would like an update on the Mueller Building, but where are you guys finding all of these 29 in. waisted pants? My primary frustration in shopping for men's clothes in Northeast Ohio is that many stores only seem to stock items in the "medium and above" category. I'm usually relegated to finding jeans at stores that cater to the tween crowd, like American Eagle. I just broke my "inside the inner ring" rule to take a look at Filene's, for instance ... only to find that pants were 32 and above (with most in the 34-36 range) and shirts started at M (with most at L). And this is not an isolated incident for me; the only place I seem to have consistent luck in finding clothes that fit is the vintage wares of Flower Child! So if you know of good clothing shops for slight men (preferably inside the inner ring), PM me.
January 10, 200718 yr Author Firebird98, welcome aboard and thanks for your post to get this thread back on topic! Unfortunately, I don't have answers to your questions. Hopefully someone else here does, and can thus help keep this thread on topic! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 10, 200718 yr 1224 Huron- Is that the building that someone was trying to convert into condos a couple of years ago? I spoke to them once, and they seemed nice and intelligent, but they weren't developers, and they got hung up on something or another and decided to sell. I don't know if a pro would be able to make it work or not. The current facade is actually a replacement, with the original historic facade having been removed. I don't have the foggiest what it is like inside. You should probably call the people or their rep for info if you are interested.
January 10, 200718 yr The Muller Building, I have some information on it, being that the owners went under, that’s about it. So what are they going to do with the building now? Where is the Muller building? What is the current use?
January 10, 200718 yr The Muller Building, I have some information on it, being that the owners went under, that’s about it. So what are they going to do with the building now? Where is the Muller building? What is the current use? www.muellercondominiums.com here is an over view of the planned building.
January 11, 200718 yr From the 12/16/06 Elyria Chronicle-Telegram: Elyria Chronicle-Telegram: Elyria High’s needs top state list (12/15/06) Elyria Chronicle-Telegram: Group wants history, amenities for school (12/14/06) Elyria Chronicle-Telegram: Grace backs off levy plans (12/13/06) Cost, amenities important points for residents Cindy Leise The Chronicle-Telegram ELYRIA — Some Elyria residents say they are willing to pay for amenities such as an auditorium in a new Elyria High School, but others say the district needs to build the minimum to keep the cost as low as possible. The Elyria Schools discovered Thursday that Elyria High was No. 1 on the list of schools that will probably be funded next year by the Ohio Schools Facility Commission’s Exceptional Needs Program... http://www.chroniclet.com/Daily%20Pages/121606local2.html From the 12/20/06 Aurora Advocate: Council favors selling Treat land by Brent Hovey Reporter Aurora - City Council voted Monday night to begin the process of selling city-owned land along Treat Road for a possible 94-unit residential subvidision. Council decided to sell the 14-acre parcel just west of Route 306 for $600,000 to Heritage Development Co., the only firm to submit a bid. The city put the land up for sale in August... E-mail: [email protected] Phone: 330-688-0088 ext. 3115 http://www.auroraadvocate.com/article.php?pathToFile=/archive/12202006/news/&file=_news1.txt&article=1&tD=12202006&PHPSESSID=b26452ce445df67d0d3fbfdce544c3eb From the 12/21/06 Twinsburg Bulletin: Rt. 82 project to be completed in spring by Joe Murphy Reporter Twinsburg - The end of the year has brought a temporary break to the work on the state Route 82 bridge over Interstate 480. The work, which is being completed by the Ohio Department of Transportation as part of its $4.8 million project in the city and township, will resume in March, according to Maureen Bachman, District 4 public information officer... E-mail: [email protected] Phone: 440-232-4055 ext. 4104 http://www.twinsburgbulletin.com/article.php?pathToFile=/archive/12212006/news/&file=_news3.txt&article=1&tD=12212006&PHPSESSID=eb726d125335c7de1f1559f4de4518c2 Group still trying to save creek Sun Star, 12/14/06 The Friends of the Chippewa Creek has challenged a project slated to receive a Clean Ohio Conservation Grant, a move they hope will save the watershed from becoming a housing development... Falls planners reject rezoning News Sun, 12/14/06 A proposal that would have allowed a bank, an office building and possibly a restaurant to be constructed on the corner of Lewis and Bagley roads was narrowly turned down by the Planning Commission... Cattails, yes; concrete, no Sun Messenger, 12/14/06 Herons and beavers here? Wildlife may flock here after a wetlands retention basin is created from the current cement bowl between Langerdale and South Green roads. The Langerdale Retention Basin was installed in 1996 just west of the Workmen's Circle property, 1980 S. Green Road, to relieve flooded basements... KSU Geauga expanding horizons News-Herald, 12/10/06 Big things are afoot on a little college campus in rural Geauga County. In recent years, enrollment has grown to 739 this fall at Kent State University's Geauga Campus in Burton Township, up from about 500 in 2000; advisory board membership has increased from about six active members to 20; the budget is back in the black; new degrees are being offered; and $1 million in renovations were paid for in cash... Gateway Plaza sold Ashtabula Star Beacon, 12/10/06 Patience and plenty of cross-country calls and encouragement may mean new life for one of Conneaut's shopping centers. Earlier this week it was learned the Gateway Plaza, located at Gateway Avenue and Route 7, has been sold to a California-based developer. The news gave renewed hope that a tenant could be found for the plaza building vacated by Giant Eagle in September 2005...
January 11, 200718 yr There is a feature article in this month's "Architect" (formerly "Architecture" I believe) magazine about Cleveland and some of the things going on recently; Avenue District, Flat's, E4th. Surprised "Architect" would pick up on this with the fact that none of the architecture is anything mind blowing (unfortunately). But they give us a pretty good write up and speak highly of the city, other than prefacing the article with the usual "Mistake on the Lake" slam. But I think we're used to that reading Steven Litt.
January 12, 200718 yr From the 1/4/07 West Side Sun News: Nursing school's out forever MetroHealth to replace building with green space Thursday, January 04, 2007 By David Plata West Side Sun News It was built in stages, beginning in 1914 and concluding in 1930, and is being torn down now, more quickly but just as methodically. It's the old Quad Building at MetroHealth Medical Center, for years the home of the hospital's school of nursing a three-year program that was discontinued in 1996... http://www.cleveland.com/sun/westsidesunnews/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1167932421216770.xml&coll=3 From the 12/21/06 News Sun: Suburban renewal Things looking up for downtown Berea streetscaping Thursday, December 21, 2006 By Shelly Guerra The News Sun BEREA Big changes for the downtown area have been nearly a decade in the making, but now are right around the corner. A $931,000 urban renewal project that includes parking, sidewalk and street improvements in the business district surrounding the city's historical Triangle is slated to begin in mid-January... http://www.cleveland.com/sun/newssun/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1166722944238920.xml&coll=3 From the 12/21/06 Bedford Sun Banner: Windsor now eyeing Glenwillow Concerns over Bedford property may keep hospital out of city Thursday, December 21, 2006 By Robert Nozar Bedford Sun Banner BEDFORD Glenwillow is back in the race as the future location for Windsor Hospital. The village that thought it had snared the hospital a few months ago, and then seemingly lost it in the span of less than a week, now appears to have a legitimate chance to bring the psychiatric hospital within its borders... http://www.cleveland.com/sun/bedfordsunbanner/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1166723274238920.xml&coll=3 Utility line uncertainty hampers Conneaut cabin project Ashtabula Star Beacon, 12/18/06 Port Authority members in Conneaut have dialed down their expectations for lakefront tourist cabins until the city is ready to stretch utility lines to the site... Lodge oversight board rejects pool proposals Ashtabula Star Beacon, 12/18/06 High prices to build an outdoor pool and recreation area at the Geneva Lodge & Conference Center at Geneva State Park has the Convention Facility Authority board looking at other options. Convention Facility Authority board member and Geneva City Manager Jim Pearson said the original three bids ranged from $110,000 for a pool only up to $1 million for the whole pool complex that would include a kiddie pool and decks. Pearson heads the board's sub-committee on the construction project... Conneaut school woes not unusual, says OCC Ashtabula Star Beacon, 12/15/06 Construction problems confronting Conneaut's new schools are not unique, according to an organization monitoring similar building programs across Ohio... Renovation costs rising for school athletic facilities Nordonia Hills Sun, 12/14/06 The cost of the $8.5 million athletic complex renovation plan for Nordonia High School has gone up. Representatives of ADA Architects, Inc., who developed the plan, told board members Monday that costs for construction inflation, EPA mandates, zoning issues and other requirements have increased the price tag about $1.4 million... Plaza fix-ups set for Marc's Brunswick Sun Times, 12/14/06 The city's chief building official says improvements to the Kmart Plaza should be forthcoming now that its newest tenant plans to make a few renovations to the former Giant Eagle store there...
January 12, 200718 yr From the 1/6/06 PD: Geis buys land for industrial park in Glenwillow Saturday, January 06, 2007 Henry J. Gomez Plain Dealer Reporter A local developer that has built some of the region's largest suburban industrial parks has picked Glenwillow for its next big project. Geis Cos. of Streetsboro recently closed on 212 acres in the tiny village, tucked between Solon and Twinsburg at the southeastern edge of Cuyahoga County... To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: [email protected], 216-999-5405 http://www.cleveland.com/business/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/business/116807588134530.xml&coll=2 From the 1/11/07 News-Herald: Old county home to be auctioned Lake Historical Society is preparing to bid on the site By: Justin Maynor [email protected] 01/11/2007 The 130-year-old Lake County Home could be the new home to the Lake County Historical Society if the price is right... http://www.news-herald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17696934&BRD=1698&PAG=461&dept_id=21849&rfi=6 Berea begins new study of Municipal Court plans News Sun, 12/28/06 The jury is still out when it comes to a new home for the Berea Municipal Court, and members of the City Council's finance committee are ready to work toward a future verdict... Developmental center looks at Middlebrook News Sun, 12/21/06 An education and training center for developmentally disabled people has submitted proposals to the city to use a portion of the former Middlebrook Elementary School... City eyes new plan to expand rec center News Sun, 12/21/06 Architects presented council with a third concept for the recreation center addition, combining the best of both previous concepts... Building has seen better days West Side Sun News, 12/21/06 Demolition appears to be in store for the 1920s-era MarshAllan Building, a former factory where scenes were filmed for "The Light of Day," the 1986 movie starring Michael J. Fox and Joan Jett... Hockey team won’t practice in Westlake West Life, 12/20/06 The pro hockey team owned by a group led by Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert will practice in Strongsville, not Westlake... Sun Herald: City warms to ice rink (12/14/06)
January 13, 200718 yr From the 1/11/07 News Sun: Township votes down request for rezoning Thursday, January 11, 2007 By Ryan McGilvray The News Sun OLMSTED TWP. Trustees voted down a rezoning proposal from the Olmsted Development Group, appeasing concerned residents but frustrating developers. The developers asked that the land in question, at the corner of Sharp and Sprague roads, be rezoned to an R-30 designation from an R-40 designation, allowing for 52-54 lots to be built on space that currently allows one lot per acre... http://www.cleveland.com/sun/newssun/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1168538065195200.xml&coll=3 From the 1/10/07 Aurora Advocate: Zoning may go to voters by Ken Lahmers Editor Aurora - Concept Communities plans to build 96 housing units similar to Tara at Barrington on 40 acres at Route 306 and Treat Road if voters OK rezoning from R-1 to R-4 residential... Riparian setback OK’d In other matters, panelists granted a riparian setback variance to Ironwood Development for its proposed 13-acre office-retail project on Route 306 just north of Mario’s International... E-mail: [email protected] Phone: 330-688-0088 ext. 3155 http://www.auroraadvocate.com/article.php?pathToFile=/archive/01102007/news/&file=_news1.txt&article=1&tD=01102007&PHPSESSID=e9f17344a1a1b617d872c2b29601b298 On the fence Sun Messenger, 12/28/06 City Council's Planning and Zoning Committee is seeking input from neighbors about a fence that would separate their homes from the Crestview Court Planned Unit Residential Development... Nursing home gets go-ahead Sun Star, 12/28/06 The city has found a way to ease residents' concerns that a strip mall might appear on rezoned Wallings Road land should a proposed nursing home project vanish. It will rezone the land to the seldom-used senior citizen district rather than local business to accommodate a request by Royal Manor Management to build a $10 million skilled nursing facility... More delays for senior complex Solon Herald Sun, 12/28/06 A plan by Gross Builders and the city to build a senior housing complex on Aurora Road is facing more delays... Gemini work on track Sun Herald, 12/28/06 Unseasonably warm weather is allowing workers to make lots of construction progress on new school and civic buildings resulting from the Gemini Project. While the new Gilles-Sweet school will have a roof on it by the second week of January, the new community recreation center is only slightly behind it... Foundation looking to raise $2.8 million for stadium project Lorain Morning Journal, 12/28/06 One year after a community group announced plans to raise money to renovate Avon Lake Memorial Stadium, a newly formed foundation has announced a fundraising campaign to improve the more than 40-year-old facility...
January 14, 200718 yr The Muller Building, I have some information on it, being that the owners went under, that’s about it. So what are they going to do with the building now? A couple of new developers are interested and are working out the financial details with local banks. Pre-sales were strong, so this project should be back online soon.
January 15, 200718 yr Author Mueller is still listed on PURE's site. Don't know what that means. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 17, 200718 yr From the 1/17/06 Ashatbula Star Beacon: Businesses expected at Cleveland Hotel By MARK TODD Staff Writer [email protected] CONNEAUT - - Businesses will probably beat residential units into a reborn Cleveland Hotel, Conneaut officials said... http://www.starbeacon.com/local/local_story_017121527 Church lets permit lapse Twinsburg Sun, 1/4/07 Time has run out on Olivet Institutional Baptist Church and the conditional use permit the city awarded last spring. The historic Cleveland-based church will have to reapply for the permit if it still intends to build a new campus at 8265 Darrow Road... Century Federal gets OK to redevelop site Brunswick Sun Times, 1/4/07 The city's planning commission has given the owners of the Century Federal Savings Bank the green light to move forward with the redevelopment of their site... Bereavement Center breaks ground Friday Cleveland Plain Dealer, 1/3/07 Grieving relatives will dig down Friday to raise a center of hope. They will break ground in Independence for the Cornerstone of Hope Bereavement Center, which is now renting office space elsewhere in the suburb... Planned Lorain Metro Parks trail will lead to sights Cleveland Plain Dealer, 12/30/06 A new stretch of hiking trail in Lorain County will open up land the public has never been able to see. It also will provide vistas that combine two important aspects of Ohio's history. On one side will lie unspoiled forest and the Black River valley; on the other, the giant Lorain steel plant. Natural and industrial heritage will merge in one awe-inspiring view... Performance center progress going well Garfield-Maple Sun, 12/28/06 School officials and contractors are taking steps to "button up" the construction site for the 32,000-square-foot Performing Arts Center on Turney Road and get it under tarps so inside work can continue through the cold winter months...
January 18, 200718 yr City, county get $2.3 million to promote manufacturing jobs -- Alison Grant, [email protected][/size]
January 18, 200718 yr From the 1/18/07 PD: Marymount unveils critical care tower ICU, emergency department larger Thursday, January 18, 2007 Sarah Treffinger Plain Dealer Reporter Marymount Hospital today will celebrate the grand opening of its $25 million critical care tower, which was built with the goal of accommodating a rise in hospital admissions, emergency-room visits and imaging needs... To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: [email protected], 216-999-3906 http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1169112880160940.xml&coll=2 Plans move ahead for new police station Parma Sun Post, 1/11/07 A preliminary report from an architect indicates it would be possible to convert an office building on Pearl Road into a police station and City Hall... More room for police? Sun Star, 1/11/07 After four failed levy attempts to build a new police station, city officials have decided to scale back the project and pay for it without new tax money. Mayor Tom Perciak said rather than building a new station, the city would look into a plan to renovate the existing police station and expand it to include the nearby fire station... Many downtown ideas eyed Sun Courier, 1/11/07 The city will consider the Downtown Redevelopment Master Plan Task Force's draft of its plan to develop the more than 60 acres of potential land in the center of town... Emotional therapy building proposed News-Herald, 1/11/07 A therapeutic treatment center for the emotionally ill is set to get under way in southern Geauga County with the help of a Housing and Urban Development grant... Collinwood's New Year's resolution Sun Scoop Journal, 1/4/07 One of the biggest issues facing Collinwood in 2007 is how soon the long-awaited Collinwood Recreation Center can move from the drawing board to bricks and mortar...
January 19, 200718 yr From the 1/18/07 Twinsburg Sun: Meeting of the minds Accord may revive cluster home plans Thursday, January 18, 2007 The Twinsburg Sun TWINSBURG A little more dialogue with Cannon Road residents has changed the course for a previously doomed rezoning effort for Twinsburg Four LLC. The local development company revised its conceptual plans for 149 cluster homes on two large parcels between Cannon and Darrow roads and persuaded the existing homeowners the project won't pose the safety or environmental problems they perceived... http://www.cleveland.com/sun/twinsburgsun/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1169142816183210.xml&coll=3 http://www.news-herald.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17721559&BRD=1698&PAG=461&dept_id=21849&rfi=6 News Herald, 1/17/07 Members of the Mentor Senior Center have more than just warm weather to look forward to this summer. The increase in temperatures will be accompanied by an increase in space for games, exercise and meetings at the center at 8484 Munson Road... Tri-City comes up short News Sun, 1/11/07 The Tri-City Senior Center's initiative petition is short of the required signatures needed to put an issue on the ballot in Berea and Brook Park...
January 20, 200718 yr Author However he added, "One of our shortcomings, compared to other cities, is our downtown area." He said other communities such as Brecksville, Chardon, Chagrin Falls and Westlake have strong downtown areas compared to Independence. Uh, OK. While Brecksville does have a town center, I wouldn't call it a downtown. Not exactly pedestrian friendly or dense enough to qualify. Westlake doesn't have a town center or a downtown. It does have a faux town, created in the spirit of Disney, set off to the side of the existing street pattern. It's hardly integrated with its surroundings and existing streets as the true small town downtowns of Chagrin Falls and Chardon are. But then, the average American (or certainly Greater Clevelander) probably wouldn't know the difference between a Crocker Park and Chagrin Falls or Chardon -- except maybe that Crocker Park is newer! Some might detect a difference, but couldn't tell you why. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 20, 200718 yr And Chagrin Falls is a great place to take a date! I always play the Chagrin Falls card when I'm going out with a girl not from the area or who has never been there. ;)
January 20, 200718 yr And Chagrin Falls is a great place to take a date! I always play the Chagrin Falls card when I'm going out with a girl not from the area or who has never been there. ;) did you know that most residents of chagrin falls secretly despise you, and call you a "cone-licker"
January 20, 200718 yr chagrin falls has yours truly, that's the only difference. As does shaker square.
January 20, 200718 yr And Chagrin Falls is a great place to take a date! I always play the Chagrin Falls card when I'm going out with a girl not from the area or who has never been there. ;) did you know that most residents of chagrin falls secretly despise you, and call you a "cone-licker" Oh well, I'm lactose intolerant anyway.
January 21, 200718 yr Can anyone offer better analysis of this topic from the PD about the port chairman who they say has a "conflict of interest," and how this will impact what's going on downtown? http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1169373577266510.xml&coll=2&thispage=1 They put a headline like this on the story: Port chairman faces questions of conflict Critics say Carney has stake in projects' fate And then you read the quotes they got, and it sounds like the "critics" are more the newspaper than the usual suspects they talked with. edit: I mean, clearly there appears there could be a conflict of interest. Maybe I'm so gung-ho about this that I don't care. A little corruption got some big things done, ya know?
January 21, 200718 yr Author You're right that the PD kept referring to "observers" who had concerns about Carney and a potential conflict of interest. The only one who seemed to have an "issue" with Carney's vote was Commissioner Dimora. Even then, his quote was something like "I wouldn't have voted on that." That ranks right up there with "I wouldn't have chosen the vinegarette." A little corruption got some big things done, ya know? You should know better than that, jamiec. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
January 21, 200718 yr WELL! Yeah, you're right... I suppose I'm frustrated by this PD article and how they phrase certain developments, like moving the port. If they are going to start throwing around complaints before anything happens, could they at least find real critics? I noticed in particular the moving of the port, which they described as this: "But port watchers question whether Carney should be publicly supporting Stark's plan, not just because of their Crocker Park relationship or Carney's downtown property. Observers note that the plan would ultimately require the port to move, costing taxpayers tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars." Are they going to start whining about moving the port whenever it happens? And who are "port watchers?"
January 21, 200718 yr This town is small enough that it would be difficult to assemble a port board that had no stake in any downtown development. None of this seems like a big deal to me. I just hope it doesn't somehow affect the eminent domain process in the East Bank. Like that existing property owners could challenge the port -- and scuttle E.D. -- by questioning Carney's interest in voting for the process to begin.
January 21, 200718 yr Glad to see that others on this board had the same reaction this article that I did. I was this close to sending e mails to the PD to tell them what a bs article it was (still might). The headline refers to "critics" and the article mentions "observers" (what sort of bs journalism is that) without mentioning any names. The people they quote (who don't have any interest in the eminent domain lawsuit) were probably contacted for the article so if they are critical (and the alledged criticism was really muted in my opinion) is was just because they were solicited not because there is a ground swell. Is the PD reporting news or creating news. If you read the FRONT PAGE headline you would have thought the public was massing at the Port Authority headquarters throwing rocks.
January 21, 200718 yr email. If you say nothing, then nothing will happen. The PD is in LARGE, why Cleveland has image problems. Locally and Nationally. That place needs to be shut down FAST and the Cleveland Press needs to be resurrected.
January 21, 200718 yr ^^ don't nap on Berea, which has a really nice little, walkable downtown and combines a classic old, rural-type college town cheek-to-jowl with a modern burb close-in to a major city... To me, it's one of the best West Side burbs.
January 21, 200718 yr Author I think the port watcher they're referring to is Ed Hauser (if so, why not name him?). Citizen Hauser does the right thing by watching port officials like a hawk, but he often assumes the worst and then asks port officials to defend themselves. They often won't play his game, so he assumes they're hiding something. As unelected officials in charge of a large amount of taxpayer dollars, they do deserve close scrutiny, however. My concern is that too much criticism and not enough encouragement breeds a seige mentality at public agencies (see RTA, NOACA, ODOT, etc). And a seige mentality is a sure way to stifle innovation. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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