22 minutes ago, Dougal said:

Sorry to say, this report would seem to indicate that Cleveland's suggested site is not on the front burner at City Club.

 

https://www.rejournals.com/commercial-real-estate-hall-of-fame-city-club-apartments-holtzman-20191210

 

It does? The only cities listed in the article were the ones that are currently under construction. No clues of future plans were mentioned for any city.

Edited December 11, 20195 yr by Clefan98

4 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

It does? The only cities listed in the article were the ones that are currently under construction. No clues of future plans were mentioned for any city.

 

Ok, that's a fair reading; I guess I'm being impatient. He DID talk about more growth.

"Holtzman’s plan? His goal is to start three new multifamily communities every year".

 

This is the only phrase where he discusses growth. Could actually be good for Cleveland if they're talking about adding three new communities per year.

Edited December 11, 20195 yr by Clefan98

It looks like all of the new development has led to a 16% YOY increase in rents; the highest YOY rent increase in the nation.  Cleveland average rent for a 1 BDR remains below $1000/mo, but is the highest in Ohio.

https://www.zumper.com/blog/2019/12/zumper-national-rent-report-december-2019/?fbclid=IwAR2zrpS6tr3FKuhby5QQTwHfMU3c_lNnvWxTVgTvY6_zmMscsfb-a9-VdqQ

Edited December 11, 20195 yr by Frmr CLEder

2 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said:

It looks like all of the new development has led to a 16% YOY increase in rents; the highest YOY rent increase in the nation.  Cleveland average rent for a 1 BDR remains below $1000/mo, but is the highest in Ohio.

https://www.zumper.com/blog/2019/12/zumper-national-rent-report-december-2019/?fbclid=IwAR2zrpS6tr3FKuhby5QQTwHfMU3c_lNnvWxTVgTvY6_zmMscsfb-a9-VdqQ

Great find Frmr CLEder!

 

From the report:

Notable Changes This Past Year

 

Upward Cities with the largest year over year growth rates:

 

–Cleveland, OH had the fastest growing rent since this time last year, up 16%. This growth rate moved the city up from #74 in our December 2018 Rent Report to #57 in this December 2019 Rent Report, catapulting up 17 spots.

Edited December 12, 20195 yr by Larry1962

Glad to see Cuyahoga County provide loans for growth in economically disadvantaged areas (OZs).

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/12/cuyahoga-county-loans-15m-to-support-manufacturing-other-development-in-low-income-areas.html?utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1h1jM918RPr4CIQZX-UpjBcEK7yj9YgNSa_Cz5ADBq_-5EFL-WW3W4-Zg

Anyone know what’s going on with the Jimmy Johns both at CSU and Public Square closing?

^ They closed in Steelyards too.

^ Maybe they all have the same franchise owner that has hit trouble. The company overall get blowback about the founders penchant for big game hunting, but overall I believe it’s pretty healthy. 

10 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said:

^ Maybe they all have the same franchise owner that has hit trouble. The company overall get blowback about the founders penchant for big game hunting, but overall I believe it’s pretty healthy. 

They were bought by the parent company of Arby’s and BW3 in October. Maybe they’re going a different route. A quick google search has articles of the same thing happening in some other cites. 

1 hour ago, Clevecane said:

Anyone know what’s going on with the Jimmy Johns both at CSU and Public Square closing?

 

1 hour ago, Clefan98 said:

^ They closed in Steelyards too.

Same with the one at cedar center. Seems uptown location is still open though

Im adding up housing units (renovation or new) from permits filed in the calendar year 2019 for different zip codes. Probably off by a few units because I'm just doing this by myself with public access permits. Just did 44113 and it doesn't really fit in any development area/thread so here we go random.

44106 was 501 units for an increase of ~5.26% with some uncertainty due to how many homes are CLE heights vs CLE.

44113 was 1,539 units or an increase of 14.69% in homes. All that in 1 calendar year.

1 hour ago, tykaps said:

Im adding up housing units (renovation or new) from permits filed in the calendar year 2019 for different zip codes. Probably off by a few units because I'm just doing this by myself with public access permits. Just did 44113 and it doesn't really fit in any development area/thread so here we go random.

44106 was 501 units for an increase of ~5.26% with some uncertainty due to how many homes are CLE heights vs CLE.

44113 was 1,539 units or an increase of 14.69% in homes. All that in 1 calendar year.

That's Awesome!!!   Plus, the 44113 area doesn't include most of the new development down Detroit to the West and Euclid to the East, those have to be huge numbers as well.

JJ's in Abilene is still open... so I'm not worried.

I just go for the "Free Smells"

Edited December 13, 20195 yr by tastybunns

The Jimmy John's closures were all of the ones owned by that particular franchisee, nothing to do with the company as a whole. 

5 hours ago, tykaps said:

Im adding up housing units (renovation or new) from permits filed in the calendar year 2019 for different zip codes. Probably off by a few units because I'm just doing this by myself with public access permits. Just did 44113 and it doesn't really fit in any development area/thread so here we go random.

44106 was 501 units for an increase of ~5.26% with some uncertainty due to how many homes are CLE heights vs CLE.

44113 was 1,539 units or an increase of 14.69% in homes. All that in 1 calendar year.

Good research TYKAPS!

 

It makes sense of the large increase in new/rehab housing units in 44113 since it covers parts of Ohio City, Tremont, and Downtown too!

Edited December 13, 20195 yr by Larry1962

The Lincoln Building renovation on St. Clair is moving along. Storefronts are framed in.

 

Edited January 7, 20205 yr by marty15

Isn't this the building that was recently a parking garage on all floors?

What are they renovating it to ?  Back to Offices?

1 hour ago, Terdolph said:

 

Where did RTA move to?

 

1240 West 6th Street...about 25 years ago. 

2 hours ago, simplythis said:

Isn't this the building that was recently a parking garage on all floors?

What are they renovating it to ?  Back to Offices?

Yes, it was parking.  I believe they had offices on the top floor at one time.

3 hours ago, simplythis said:

Isn't this the building that was recently a parking garage on all floors?

What are they renovating it to ?  Back to Offices?

The last plan for this had floors 4 and 5 being converted from offices to parking, and the top floor from offices to apartments. The top floor has 19 foot ceilings. I think it had 17 apartments going into that floor.

4 hours ago, marty15 said:

The Lincoln Building renovation on St. Clair is moving along. Storefronts are framed in.

 

The street presence feels so weak for a building so close to the malls and the convention center. I suppose the Erieview Urban renewal plan rears its ugly head again for that intersection.

https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/793

 

Having some kind of occupied pedestrian interaction at street level is welcome. I feel bad that out of towners have such different experiences walking down parallel steets E-W depending on whether they take Lakeside, St Clair, Superior, (Chester, Euclid, Prospect, ignoring the angles)...

Edited December 18, 20195 yr by infrafreak
I can't spell

8 hours ago, marty15 said:

The last plan for this had floors 4 and 5 being converted from offices to parking, and the top floor from offices to apartments. The top floor has 19 foot ceilings. I think it had 17 apartments going into that floor.

The top floor (sixth floor) is being renovated for office space and the first floor will still be retail.  With floors two thru five being used for parking.  I'm not sure which floor it's on but the existing fitness center will also remain.

 

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/636-708-St-Clair-Ave-NE-Cleveland-OH/9938271/

The December 2019 newsletter of Vibrant NEO has a couple of decent "look-back" stories. You can read it here or get it e-mailed to you....

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1105576147256&ca=b917403c-51a2-4f86-bb3e-f64eea5fd31f

I know it seems strange, but this is one of the more exciting renos in downtown in my opinion. Street life in this area will be crucial to connecting the eastern end of downtown to the public square/e 4th district. A right mix of retail could really liven up the area and make the pedestrian experience much more pleasant coming from 9th and Lakeside area. We did such  a great job with Euclid, but the other E-W streets need the attention now. I am hoping that the Midway cycle track really gives Superior an improved feel to make up for the lack of retail....We will see once it is pulled off.

^ That florist that turned out to be the film set actually made that corner look so much better lol. 

I just don't get this project.  Am I correct in surmising that this is truly just a renovation.  This building always had ground floor retail and an office on top, with parking sandwiched between.  So, from a street perspective, ... all the owners are doing is putting a new façade at the retail level, right?

AON’s Cleveland office is moving from Skylight office tower at TC to taking the 16th floor of Ernst & Young building. 

Edited December 20, 20195 yr by marty15

As the news and chatter is slow here on UO, due to the holidays I'm sure, I thought I'd share the list of things I'd love to have before Christmas morning 2020... it may be a lofty list. ?

 

1-Deal closed and construction progress of some sort on a Substantial SHW tower on the Jacobs lot.

2-Construction progress on the CityClub tower on Euclid.

3-A new 550+ foot tower is announced(whether commercial, residential or mixed).

.....and last but not least.....

4-The new OH TaxBill is passed, which allows Stark to build the Original 54FL nuCLEus, and ground is broken.

 

I know this may be asking for a lot, but I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility: 

1-We know the SHW deal is very close.

2-Rumors say the CityClub tower should brake ground in 2020. 

3-For the 550+ tower with everything going on in CLE it could be announced for a residential building; new company to CLE tower/or a current one building a new HQ, Hotel or mixed use.  Who knows, maybe even a "Lumen Part 2" via PHS on 13th and Chester. 

4-It appears the OH TaxBill is moving closer to the finish line and with that, if chosen, nuCLEus/Stark could get a BIG shot in the arm. Seeing how he has waited this long, created a "smaller" version(which I think could just be a backup plan incase his TaxBill plan falls through, plus a way to keep everyone(city+investors) on their toes) but still has not moved forward, and almost appears to be Stalling....... I would not be shocked if Stark is waiting to see if the TaxBill play will allow him to build his original dream tower.

 

Does anyone know how much Stark needed to build the nuCLEus 1.0 and what the gap was that he was missing?  Also, if granted the new OH-TaxBill would that be enough, or close?

 

Any thoughts on my list?

1. If SHW isn't on the Jacobs/Weston lots, it will be in the CityBlock Riverview phase. Whichever site doesn't get SHW is a strong candidate to get the courthouse tower. If either lands on the CityBlock Riverview phase, it will likely accelerate the other pieces of that development. But SHW will surely accelerate it better.

2. Will share a rumor about CityClub tower in that thread.

3. I don't see a 550+ foot tower in our future. Nothing out there in rumorland would be that high.

4. Will share a rumor about nuCLEus in that thread. The TMUD tax credit could impact multiple projects -- Centennial, nuCLEus, Geis, Westinghouse, possibly others...

1 hour ago, NR said:

As the news and chatter is slow here on UO, due to the holidays I'm sure, I thought I'd share the list of things I'd love to have before Christmas morning 2020... it may be a lofty list. ?

 

1-Deal closed and construction progress of some sort on a Substantial SHW tower on the Jacobs lot.

2-Construction progress on the CityClub tower on Euclid.

3-A new 550+ foot tower is announced(whether commercial, residential or mixed).

.....and last but not least.....

4-The new OH TaxBill is passed, which allows Stark to build the Original 54FL nuCLEus, and ground is broken.

 

I know this may be asking for a lot, but I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility: 

1-We know the SHW deal is very close.

2-Rumors say the CityClub tower should brake ground in 2020. 

3-For the 550+ tower with everything going on in CLE it could be announced for a residential building; new company to CLE tower/or a current one building a new HQ, Hotel or mixed use.  Who knows, maybe even a "Lumen Part 2" via PHS on 13th and Chester. 

4-It appears the OH TaxBill is moving closer to the finish line and with that, if chosen, nuCLEus/Stark could get a BIG shot in the arm. Seeing how he has waited this long, created a "smaller" version(which I think could just be a backup plan incase his TaxBill plan falls through, plus a way to keep everyone(city+investors) on their toes) but still has not moved forward, and almost appears to be Stalling....... I would not be shocked if Stark is waiting to see if the TaxBill play will allow him to build his original dream tower.

 

Does anyone know how much Stark needed to build the nuCLEus 1.0 and what the gap was that he was missing?  Also, if granted the new OH-TaxBill would that be enough, or close?

 

Any thoughts on my list?

I love your Wish List. It is basically the same as my list. But then reality sets in. This is Cleveland. I am 65 years old I have been following Downtown Cleveland developments since i was

22 years. There have been substantially more lows and disappointments than highs. It is always something in cleveland. Can't get enough financing, construction costs are too high , the economy turn south, last minute mergers etc. etc. etc.  Everytime the economy turns south it hurts  us more than most cities and it always takes us longer to recover longer than most cities.  I think the  only project that i feel positive about is SHW. I think the economy is ready for a downturn especially if we elect a democrat in the next election. We need Shovels in the ground on these projects or they will never get off the ground.

6 hours ago, simplythis said:

I love your Wish List. It is basically the same as my list. But then reality sets in. This is Cleveland. I am 65 years old I have been following Downtown Cleveland developments since i was

22 years. There have been substantially more lows and disappointments than highs. It is always something in cleveland. Can't get enough financing, construction costs are too high , the economy turn south, last minute mergers etc. etc. etc.  Everytime the economy turns south it hurts  us more than most cities and it always takes us longer to recover longer than most cities.  I think the  only project that i feel positive about is SHW. I think the economy is ready for a downturn especially if we elect a democrat in the next election. We need Shovels in the ground on these projects or they will never get off the ground.

Stop this. Stop this, stop this, STOP THIS. Stop with this Woe is us, “this is how it always goes in Cleveland” crap. STOP THIS. You can literally look around at the city and see what has changed. You cannot sit here and say that this city is the same as it was 10 years ago, even 5 years ago. Our biggest enemies are ourselves and this negative ass, pessimistic, toxic ass “battered resident” syndrome. It’s a virus. It infects our people. It infects some of our politicians and civic leaders and even some of the business community. This is why I keep harping on this. This has to stop. LET IT GO. Yes we’ve been through a lot. Yes things are still harder than it should be to get done here sometimes. We get it. We get it. But MOVE FORWARD. Stop acting like we’re still in the 1970s. This city will never be what it used to be but if you value what it’s becoming, you can actually appreciate the good things that are happening. We’ve GOT TO STOP THIS. 

Edited December 27, 20195 yr by inlovewithCLE

42 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said:

Stop this. Stop this, stop this, STOP THIS. Stop with this Woe is us, “this is how it always goes in Cleveland” crap. STOP THIS. You can literally look around at the city and see what has changed. You cannot sit here and say that this city is the same as it was 10 years ago, even 5 years ago. Our biggest enemies are ourselves and this negative ass, pessimistic, toxic ass “battered resident” syndrome. It’s a virus. It infects our people. It infects some of our politicians and civic leaders and even some of the business community. This is why I keep harping on this. This has to stop. LET IT GO. Yes we’ve been through a lot. Yes things are still harder than it should be to get done here sometimes. We get it. We get it. But MOVE FORWARD. Stop acting like we’re still in the 1970s. This city will never be what it used to be but if you value what it’s becoming, you can actually appreciate the good things that are happening. We’ve GOT TO STOP THIS. 

 

Dude---What you were saying made sense. And then you said "This city will never be what it used to be." That completely undermines everything you had said until that point and ultimately agrees with simplythis, the poster you were jumping on. You're saying Cleveland can never be a great city again. I wholeheartedly disagree.

 

 

1 hour ago, Terdolph said:

There is hope, and then there is false hope.  False hope makes you invest (financially and emotionally) in things that have no realistic chance (e.g. block scam, Pesht, Starks Reserve Square II) , rather than investing in things that could actually happen (SW tower, completing waterfront loop, condo tower next to Danny's old location, CVSR into Terminal Tower, etc.).  We have limited resources.  We shouldn't waste them on things that have no chance of succeeding. We should invest realistically.

That is not pessimism.

 

False hope would be wishing for Terdolph Park to remain a dirt lot getting in the way of an ambitious, place making project, wishing for low rise structures on Public Square that could never in 300 years pay for the land that they’re  built on, and wishing for low rent outlet stores, in a high rent structure (TC). But I digress. I’ll leave the negative bad takes to you. 

2 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

Dude---What you were saying made sense. And then you said "This city will never be what it used to be." That completely undermines everything you had said until that point and ultimately agrees with simplythis, the poster you were jumping on. You're saying Cleveland can never be a great city again. I wholeheartedly disagree.

 

 

Did I say “Cleveland will never be a great city again?” Did I literally say that? Or did I actually say “the city will never be what it used to be”, meaning this isnt going to be the Cleveland of the 70s. Why do you assume that means that it’ll be worse? I’d argue that in many ways it’s BETTER than the past. That’s my point, stop living in the past. Old Clevelanders always negatively compare today’s city to the city of the past. I’m saying to stop doing that. We can have a different city. A better city. As long as I’ve been around this blog you should know from my post history that I don’t believe this city can’t be great again. I mean, look at my damn screen name for goodness sakes. I said what I meant, there was no need to read into something that I didn’t say when the point I was making was the exact opposite of the assumption you made, which was to appreciate where we are now and stop looking backwards and using that to judge forward movement. I’m very deliberate with my words, I say what I mean and I mean what I say. You never have to guess what I mean. If I didn’t literally say that, then that’s not what I meant

Edited December 27, 20195 yr by inlovewithCLE

"I’m very deliberate with my words....You never have to guess what I mean." 

 

Well apparently not deliberate enough. You were specifically talking about Cleveland and then said, "This city will never be what it used to be." with the reference that it was once a great city, but since has suffered a rough few decades from the 70s.  So, you may have meant something else, but to me it clearly reads, 'Cleveland was great, has fallen since the 70s, but look forward not backwards even though it will never be the great city it once was.'

 

Furthermore, you say, "Old Clevelanders always negatively compare today’s city to the city of the past. I’m saying to stop doing that."  But you are doing just that by saying "This city will never be what it used to be." 

 

I know your screen name is positive......but this is how what you're saying is understood.

36 minutes ago, Pugu said:

"I’m very deliberate with my words....You never have to guess what I mean." 

 

Well apparently not deliberate enough. You were specifically talking about Cleveland and then said, "This city will never be what it used to be." with the reference that it was once a great city, but since has suffered a rough few decades from the 70s.  So, you may have meant something else, but to me it clearly reads, 'Cleveland was great, has fallen since the 70s, but look forward not backwards even though it will never be the great city it once was.'

 

Furthermore, you say, "Old Clevelanders always negatively compare today’s city to the city of the past. I’m saying to stop doing that."  But you are doing just that by saying "This city will never be what it used to be." 

 

I know your screen name is positive......but this is how what you're saying is understood.

What in TF are you talking about? It’s literally impossible for something to be exactly like it used to be. That’s what happens with time. Everything is in a forward moving fashion. Nothing stays the same. So for you to say that I’m negatively comparing the city of today to its past by saying it will never be what it used to be is ludicrous and you just not wanting to admit that you were wrong about what I said. I JUST told you that I believe in many ways the Cleveland of today is BETTER than the Cleveland of the past. You are the one assuming that by me saying that we won’t be what we used to be that I’m saying that as a pejorative. That says more about your thought process than mine. I personally think it’s great that our downtown buildings aren’t covered in soot and our river isn’t catching on fire and we have some neighborhoods in the city that people want to move to instead of running away from. I think it’s great that our city’s economy is more driven by eds, meds, arts and health care than our manufacturing history (while still important). YOU are the one that continues to say that I’m making a negative comparison. I’m literally telling you twice now that I’m not. Personally I think there was a lot of things in that old Cleveland that sucked. The only thing I wish we had from back then is the population size but I could do without a lot of the other stuff we had back then. I like this Cleveland better. So again, tell me how I’m not literally saying what I literally just told you that I’m literally saying for the second time now

Edited December 27, 20195 yr by inlovewithCLE

And I picked the 70s as a reference point because it was essentially one of the worst decades in our city’s history (massive population loss, bankruptcy etc) so of COURSE I wouldn’t want to go back there

So I guess the season of giving starts with this thread. ?

 

@inlovewithCLE and @Pugu - perfect example of when to take the back and forth to private message. And others, just because news is slow during the holidays, you don’t need to go off topic. There are threads for “wish list” speculation and if you don’t see one, have the decency to  take the effort and make a new thread. 

 

I’d say this qualifies as a random development.

2 hours ago, marty15 said:

I’d say this qualifies as a random development.

Oh snap! I’m down!!! Let’s go. Lol

6 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said:

Oh snap! I’m down!!! Let’s go. Lol

UO tiki party!

Floating Tiki Barge. https://www.news5cleveland.com/entertainment/all-aboard-floating-tropical-tiki-barge-coming-to-cleveland-in-june-2020

I wonder if sailors look at this kind of thing the way I look at the stupid pedalcabs with the drunk people blocking the bike lane. 

 

On 1/6/2020 at 5:21 AM, marty15 said:

I’d say this qualifies as a random development.

 

 

July 2020:

 

 

 

 

Redirected from the City Club apartments thread....

 

11 minutes ago, marty15 said:

The only open spot left would be next to the Union Club. 

 

There's been rumors about that site but nothing substantive.

 

Suffice it to say, downtown could have six to twelve 15+ story buildings under construction at the same time and several more under renovation 2-3 years from now.

 

NEW CONSTRUCTION

 

1. SHW HQ on Public Square

2. One of SHW's secondary HQ buildings on the Superblock could be 15+ stories

3. City Club Apartments

4. Justice Center Courthouse tower

5. Lumen Act II

6. Geis condo tower

7. Unidentified apartment tower

8. Unidentified office building

9. CityBlock Riverview apartments

10. CityBlock Riverview hotel/office

11. nuCLEus apartment tower

12. nuCLEus office tower

 

This doesn't include a half-dozen proposed new mid-rises in the 5- to 12-story range, not including Geis' The Avenue condos already underway.

 

MAJOR RENOVATIONS/CONVERSIONS

 

1. The Centennial

2. 75 Public Square

3. 55 Public Square

4. Rockefeller Building

5. 1020 Bolivar

6. Unidentified office building

7. Unidentified office building

8. Unidentified office building

 

And while it probably won't be a high-rise, CSU has made it known that it wants to demolish the Wolstein Center and replace it with something else -- possibly a smaller arena along with some housing. An upcoming CSU campus masterplan process will address that and promises some more interesting stuff...

21 minutes ago, KJP said:

Redirected from the City Club apartments thread....

 

 

There's been rumors about that site but nothing substantive.

 

Suffice it to say, downtown could have six to twelve 15+ story buildings under construction at the same time and several more under renovation 2-3 years from now.

 

NEW CONSTRUCTION

 

1. SHW HQ on Public Square

2. One of SHW's secondary HQ buildings on the Superblock could be 15+ stories

3. City Club Apartments

4. Justice Center Courthouse tower

5. Lumen Act II

6. Geis condo tower

7. Unidentified apartment tower

8. Unidentified office building

9. CityBlock Riverview apartments

10. CityBlock Riverview hotel/office

11. nuCLEus apartment tower

12. nuCLEus office tower

 

This doesn't include a half-dozen proposed new mid-rises in the 5- to 12-story range, not including Geis' The Avenue condos already underway.

 

MAJOR RENOVATIONS/CONVERSIONS

 

1. The Centennial

2. 75 Public Square

3. 55 Public Square

4. Rockefeller Building

5. 1020 Bolivar

6. Unidentified office building

7. Unidentified office building

8. Unidentified office building

 

And while it probably won't be a high-rise, CSU has made it known that it wants to demolish the Wolstein Center and replace it with something else -- possibly a smaller arena along with some housing. An upcoming CSU campus masterplan process will address that and promises some more interesting stuff...

Is the Unidentified Apt & Office Tower ( 7 & 8 )  - the big one?

16 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Is the Unidentified Apt & Office Tower ( 7 & 8 )  - the big one?

 

No.

11 hours ago, KJP said:

There's been rumors about that site but nothing substantive.

Suffice it to say, downtown could have six to twelve 15+ story buildings under construction at the same time and several more under renovation 2-3 years from now.

NEW CONSTRUCTION

 

1. SHW HQ on Public Square

2. One of SHW's secondary HQ buildings on the Superblock could be 15+ stories

3. City Club Apartments

4. Justice Center Courthouse tower

5. Lumen Act II

6. Geis condo tower

7. Unidentified apartment tower

8. Unidentified office building

9. CityBlock Riverview apartments

10. CityBlock Riverview hotel/office

11. nuCLEus apartment tower

12. nuCLEus office tower

 

This doesn't include a half-dozen proposed new mid-rises in the 5- to 12-story range, not including Geis' The Avenue condos already underway.

 

 

With SHW/City Club/Lumen II/Geis Tower/CityBlock Riverview/nuCLEus taking up 10 current surface parking lots(from small to very large lots) downtown, plus the potential of the 10 to 15 rumored projects coming down the road... the surface lots in the CBD may be completely gone soon!!!