February 2, 20214 yr https://www.uhaul.com/Articles/About/22746/2020-Migration-Trends-U-Haul-Ranks-50-States-By-Migration-Growth/ I'm sure this is talked about in other parts of the forum, but I found it interesting that Ohio is #4 on this list. I love love seeing Cali #50, by the way.
February 2, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, RE Developer In Training said: https://www.uhaul.com/Articles/About/22746/2020-Migration-Trends-U-Haul-Ranks-50-States-By-Migration-Growth/ I'm sure this is talked about in other parts of the forum, but I found it interesting that Ohio is #4 on this list. I love love seeing Cali #50, by the way. As someone who lives in Cali, me too ;-)
February 2, 20214 yr Sherwin should really take a page from Amazon for the Public Square building... only kind of kidding. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/02/amazon-shows-hq2-helix-office-building-images-.html
February 2, 20214 yr 48 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said: Sherwin should really take a page from Amazon for the Public Square building... only kind of kidding. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/02/amazon-shows-hq2-helix-office-building-images-.html I don’t hate it...but it also kind of looks like a 💩 emoji Edited February 2, 20214 yr by Enginerd
February 2, 20214 yr OK, let's not get this thread locked. There is another thread for random visualizations. Edited February 2, 20214 yr by skiwest
February 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Pugu said: Good bldg for the Cleveland Twist Drill Co. (whatever happened to them?) Or the Cleveland Vibrator Company 😂
February 4, 20214 yr Cloudkitchens.com Not sure if it was discussed, but they’ll be coming to the city with a couple dozen kitchens later this year
February 4, 20214 yr Author 45 minutes ago, MrR said: Cloudkitchens.com Not sure if it was discussed, but they’ll be coming to the city with a couple dozen kitchens later this year Any site(s) picked yet? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 5, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, MrR said: Corner of 40 and Carnegie Are they building on the parking lot corner, or taking over one of the existing buildings?
February 5, 20214 yr Author Oh I've seen that in the Building Department applications and wondered what that was. I'll throw that into a Seeds & Sprouts column I'm working on. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 5, 20214 yr 12 hours ago, gg707 said: Are they building on the parking lot corner, or taking over one of the existing buildings? its a remodel. it may increase food delivery options around town during covid, but long term i'm hoping it doesnt hurt brick and mortar restaurants
February 23, 20214 yr Was I asleep when this news came out or did the city keep it quiet? Last November a restoration of the Music Hall was completed. It looks great. Other pix at: http://digital.propertiesmag.com/publication/?m=15890&i=692868&p=10 Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 23, 20214 yr It's a shame there are not more shows there. I saw The Red Hot Chilipeppers, Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam there in 91 (or maybe 92?). One of the greatest shows ever!
February 23, 20214 yr Author I saw Devo there in 1983. But I don't remember the place being that big or that ornate. Then again I haven't been back there since. I'm having a hard time picturing where it is. I assume it's at one end of Public Auditorium? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 23, 20214 yr I've never seen this - a Cleveland gem not publicized. I did a google search which took me to the City of Cleveland website. Why is the city of Cleveland website look like it's from the 90's? Another pathetic example of Cleveland leadership. How hard can it be?
February 23, 20214 yr I agree, the city should advertise it more as a venue. I haven't heard of anything being booked there in years. Maybe now that they've completed the renovation they feel they're in a better position now to market it. Of course, now sure how competent the people are that are in charge of marketing it....
February 23, 20214 yr 48 minutes ago, KJP said: I saw Devo there in 1983. But I don't remember the place being that big or that ornate. Then again I haven't been back there since. I'm having a hard time picturing where it is. I assume it's at one end of Public Auditorium? Within Public Auditorium, there are: Public Hall seats 9000 Music Hall seats 3000 Little Theater seats 600 Registration lobby is 21,780 square feet each of which may be rented for an event/concert. http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/CityofCleveland/Home/Government/CityAgencies/ParksRecreationandProperties/AuditoriumandConferenceCenter/EventPlanners
February 23, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, skiwest said: South end. My high school commencement was held there. Mine, too. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
February 23, 20214 yr It looks fantastic. I’d be interested to know if any of the Cleveland news teams did a piece about it and to see that video. And, if not, why the hell not? Edited February 23, 20214 yr by CleveFan
February 23, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Pugu said: I agree, the city should advertise it more as a venue. I haven't heard of anything being booked there in years. Maybe now that they've completed the renovation they feel they're in a better position now to market it. Of course, now sure how competent the people are that are in charge of marketing it.... Didn't they hold the most recent Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions held in Cleveland there?
February 23, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, Growth Mindset said: Didn't they hold the most recent Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions held in Cleveland there? The ones that got cancelled due to COVID were going to be there.
February 23, 20214 yr The last RRHF induction held in Cleveland was held in the Public Hall portion of the building, the bigger part
February 23, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Pugu said: Within Public Auditorium, there are: Public Hall seats 9000 Music Hall seats 3000 Little Theater seats 600 Registration lobby is 21,780 square feet each of which may be rented for an event/concert. http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/CityofCleveland/Home/Government/CityAgencies/ParksRecreationandProperties/AuditoriumandConferenceCenter/EventPlanners What's interesting is that the Public Auditorium was the first Convention Center in Cleveland and held several national political conventions back in the 1920's. And I believe it was one of the largest when it was first built. And there are large number of meeting rooms in the basement that hardly ever gets used because when a convention books the county convention center, they also have to separately book these meeting rooms thru the city and it causes alot of extra paperwork ect. Even though the county consultant three years ago recommend that the private operator of the convention center be able to book all of the meeting rooms and other spaces in Public Auditorium as they do for the convention center... https://case.edu/ech/articles/p/public-auditorium&ved=2ahUKEwjahYK-r4DvAhXDElkFHWR5CTgQFjACegQIKxAC&usg=AOvVaw2vITu_mnpkVs_HHCNH4wxr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Auditorium Edited February 23, 20214 yr by Larry1962 Added more details and links.
February 23, 20214 yr wow, i didn't even realize this theatre existed. i thought the auditorium was just the big venue
February 23, 20214 yr It's a double-sided stage. With the curtains open you can view Public Hall and Music Hall as one space with the stage prosceniums dividing the two. Back in my City Hall days, I was able to view many of the Spanish rococo meeting rooms upstairs where for the most part broken chairs stacked and the plaster was a disaster. Not only are there seriously grand upstairs meeting rooms where the city should be booking events like weddings, etc, there is a tunnel under lakeside Ave that connects Public Auditorium to the sub-basements of CLE City Hall. It's a remarkable network from back in the days of grand public buildings. We are lucky to still have it, but it really needs to be promoted and well-used. My understanding was always that stage labor agreements with The City, and the desire of other venues downtown wished not to compete with this municipal government run competition. Both of these & perhaps other reasons have kept this beauty under wraps for decades. The Little Theater is GORGEOUS too and was frequently used for local govt meetings and small events during the White Administration. When built, Cleveland Public Auditorium was the world's largest interior plaster job. It was also the largest building of it's kind in the world and had one of the very largest pipe organs. - I'll go find sources on these if I can. All that beautifully crafted plaster! It's still really something. Edited February 23, 20214 yr by ExPatClevGuy
February 23, 20214 yr What a beautiful restoration! I was in the Music Hall for a concert in connection with Content Marketing World and was amazed at how beautiful the space was- even in disrepair. They did a nice job restoring the mall-facing side of Public Hall but the streetscape on Lakeside and St. Clair is largely left to random planters filled with weeds. This is such a great building- if only it was maintained.
February 23, 20214 yr It’s hard to believe the city doesn’t take better care of street scapes particularly at/near some of its own most historical and unique properties. That venue could easily be a host to one of those nationally televised town halls you see during political season.
February 23, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, CleveFan said: It’s hard to believe the city doesn’t take better care of street scapes particularly at/near some of its own most historical and unique properties. That venue could easily be a host to one of those nationally televised town halls you see during political season. For probably many reasons (and another one for Frank to go), the City of Cleveland seems incapable of maintaining anything at all.
February 23, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, CleveFan said: It’s hard to believe the city doesn’t take better care of street scapes particularly at/near some of its own most historical and unique properties. That venue could easily be a host to one of those nationally televised town halls you see during political season. It's not at all hard to believe that.
February 23, 20214 yr @EnginerdI'm afraid the failures, mismanagement and disuse of this property go all the way back through the numerous administrations to the days of Dennis Kucinich. Of course that doesn't mean this facility should continue to go unsupported. I'm no Frank Jackson apologist, but at least Music Hall and the convention center both got spiffed up under his watch. - 'More could be done! The multiple gorgeous meeting spaces and venues inside Public Hall should be in every #ThisIsCleveland brochure & video touting Cleveland's convention capacities & capabilities. I haven't seen any such thing, have you? Of course it's all very frustrating: Someone with power and a microphone at City Hall will undoubtedly as-usual suggest "There are very good reason's why not." There is too rarely any further investigation into "How can we...?" Also, when this BF Skinner pipe organ (up in the flies above the stage) was installed between Public Hall and Music Hall, it was among the world's largest too. (It's still here, check it out) Below is a video about the organ in 2009, a truly grand instrument that has preserved intact, mostly due to neglect. (Photo #3 below is Vincent H. Percy, Municipal Organist) Edited February 23, 20214 yr by ExPatClevGuy
February 23, 20214 yr Wow - thanks for sharing that video (and pics) @ExPatClevGuy I don’t mean to take the detour off of Random Development and Construction- but that’s a really interesting piece, for those interested in music and Cleveland history. And I think you’re spot on about the venues inside Public Hall deserving more attention and promotion than they generally get in CLE. Just another jewel of the city.
February 23, 20214 yr @Dougal Thanks again! Here's a link to the full story. http://digital.propertiesmag.com/publication/?m=15890&i=692868&p=10
February 23, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, Pugu said: I agree, the city should advertise it more as a venue. I haven't heard of anything being booked there in years. Maybe now that they've completed the renovation they feel they're in a better position now to market it. Of course, now sure how competent the people are that are in charge of marketing it.... iI's tough for the city to compete against Playhouse Square, who are real venue managers and promoters, with similar sized rooms.
February 23, 20214 yr Maybe the better solution is to have the Convention Center handle the bookings for the Public Hall complex.
February 23, 20214 yr 28 minutes ago, bjk said: Maybe the better solution is to have the Convention Center handle the bookings for the Public Hall complex. It most certainly is the better solution. The problem is the City of Cleveland doesn't eliminate jobs and there are probably 3-4 people sitting at a desk waiting for the phone to ring that handle rentals (something that could easily be handled by one person for both facilities).
February 23, 20214 yr 29 minutes ago, bjk said: Maybe the better solution is to have the Convention Center handle the bookings for the Public Hall complex. Or, given that there is some history here that we may not be privy to as to why the city did not want the county (or its contracted convention services company) to touch it or book events there, maybe the city could contract with Playhouse Square people to operate it, including managing bookings as well.
February 24, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Pugu said: Or, given that there is some history here that we may not be privy to as to why the city did not want the county (or its contracted convention services company) to touch it or book events there, maybe the city could contract with Playhouse Square people to operate it, including managing bookings as well. Milton Krantz managed the Hanna Theater for decades, and that theater's capacity could handle most tourng shows, but if a huge hit WITH the star of the broadway production (i.e. Yul Bryner; The KIng and I) it would get moved to the Music Hall because of it's larger seating capacity. Back then, the State & Palace Theaters were movies only.
February 25, 20214 yr By Susan Glaser, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio — The timing isn’t perfect – proposing a new airport terminal after a historic drop in air travel. But Cleveland Hopkins International Airport officials are gearing up to unveil a plan for a nearly-new terminal to be constructed in phases in the years ahead. The preferred terminal design – not yet finalized – is likely to include rebuilt, wider concourses; an expanded ticketing area; a relocated rental car facility; centralized Transportation Security Administration screening; a new, centrally-located Customs facility; redesigned entry roadways and more. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2021/02/cleveland-hopkins-readies-proposal-for-new-airport-terminal.html
February 25, 20214 yr Author Also being discussed at the Cleveland Hopkins Airport thread in the transportation section. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 27, 20214 yr On 2/23/2021 at 4:20 PM, bjk said: Maybe the better solution is to have the Convention Center handle the bookings for the Public Hall complex. On 2/23/2021 at 10:56 AM, Larry1962 said: What's interesting is that the Public Auditorium was the first Convention Center in Cleveland and held several national political conventions back in the 1920's. And I believe it was one of the largest when it was first built. And there are large number of meeting rooms in the basement that hardly ever gets used because when a convention books the county convention center, they also have to separately book these meeting rooms thru the city and it causes alot of extra paperwork ect. Even though the county consultant three years ago recommend that the private operator of the convention center be able to book all of the meeting rooms and other spaces in Public Auditorium as they do for the convention center... https://case.edu/ech/articles/p/public-auditorium&ved=2ahUKEwjahYK-r4DvAhXDElkFHWR5CTgQFjACegQIKxAC&usg=AOvVaw2vITu_mnpkVs_HHCNH4wxr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Auditorium Even though the county consultant three years ago recommend that the private operator of the convention center be able to book all of the meeting rooms and other spaces in Public Auditorium as they do for the convention center... Edited February 27, 20214 yr by Larry1962 Added details
February 27, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, MissinOhio said: ^ Is this the project? https://700lake.com/about/the-project/ Very nice. I like.
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