May 3, 20214 yr 18 hours ago, Pugu said: Why just kidless people? Millions of children live in buildings. It's much more common for parents to want safe space for their kids, which commonly means suburbs or sprawled neighborhoods. If you're trying to rent expensive apartments, and downtown you are going to be, your target market is not going to be families.
May 3, 20214 yr Author 3 minutes ago, E Rocc said: It's much more common for parents to want safe space for their kids, which commonly means suburbs or sprawled neighborhoods. If you're trying to rent expensive apartments, and downtown you are going to be, your target market is not going to be families. You are if you pay attention to facts rather than fears of people who you don't understand -- kids are more likely to be hurt/killed in a car crash than in a crime. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 3, 20214 yr 21 hours ago, Pugu said: Certainly the owner/landlord can pick his residents, no (with exception to being on the basis of color, national origin, gender, etc.)? So he/she can stipulate families or maximum resident numbers of a different last name if that were the case. But a high price should automatically eliminate the frat people. If the rent on a 6-bedroom was $12,000 and the max residency was 6--that would mean each fratboy would pay $2,000, making it out of reach for a typical fratboy. How many families in the Cleveland area are paying $12k/mo for housing? A 6 bedroom apartment just doesn't make sense I don't think.
May 3, 20214 yr 18 hours ago, metrocity said: Would be cool if they could build another exterior wall inside and take out windows to create open balconies on that curved facade. That modular kitchen/ bathroom thing is awesome. Looks like a Knoll furniture dealer had their showroom in the lobby at one point too. That's cool. Maybe they could do a larger pie shaped unit similar to Marina City in Chicago with huge balconies I really like the idea, but I don't think you could slice up the floorplates into thin enough "pie pieces" for it to make sense as apartments unfortunately. A simple google maps measure distance puts the radius on the curve at ~125'. That's 3-4x the length of the Marina City apartments. I only think it's feasible with a center atrium or some other windowless unit. With a center atrium you could mirror the circular slices across a center hallway and it would probably work though. 30' outside apartment, 10' hallway, 35' interior apartment, and then a 50' radius atrium? Even that seems like it'd be difficult to achieve... Edited May 3, 20214 yr by dastler
May 3, 20214 yr 38 minutes ago, dastler said: How many families in the Cleveland area are paying $12k/mo for housing? A 6 bedroom apartment just doesn't make sense I don't think. No one will pay $12,000/month for a 6-bedroom if there are no $12,000/month 6-bedroom apartments on the market. Ten years ago, who would have thought that ANYONE would be paying $4,000-$5,000 per month in Cleveland for a one or two-bedroom? Yet plenty of people do nowadays whether at 1 Univ Circle or the Lumen or elsewhere. Edited May 3, 20214 yr by Pugu
May 3, 20214 yr 59 minutes ago, E Rocc said: It's much more common for parents to want safe space for their kids, which commonly means suburbs or sprawled neighborhoods. If you're trying to rent expensive apartments, and downtown you are going to be, your target market is not going to be families. Lots of people like BIG, giant properties -- with kids or no kids -- regardless of how impractical it is. People can easily live in 600 SF units, yet they have 5k, 6k, 10k SF homes. Total waste of energy, materials, and space. But they do it. And show it off to the world. So I wouldn't rule out building big units as there is a market for them. In all those LA mansions, you think they are just one or two-bedrooms in them? And many are filled with people with no kids. And for those that WANT to live in a building and in the center of a city, a big unit offers them that. Where else is there in all of Cuyahoga County for such? No where. Maybe one of the few penthouses at the Pinnacle. That's all. This could be it.
May 4, 20214 yr 8 hours ago, dastler said: I really like the idea, but I don't think you could slice up the floorplates into thin enough "pie pieces" for it to make sense as apartments unfortunately. A simple google maps measure distance puts the radius on the curve at ~125'. That's 3-4x the length of the Marina City apartments. I only think it's feasible with a center atrium or some other windowless unit. With a center atrium you could mirror the circular slices across a center hallway and it would probably work though. 30' outside apartment, 10' hallway, 35' interior apartment, and then a 50' radius atrium? Even that seems like it'd be difficult to achieve... Yeah, you are probably right. I was trying to find a floorplan image online so I could take it into CAD and try and scale it and play around but couldn't find one. In this image imagine if the exterior curtain wall was where the cubicle walls are and the existing windows were removed, that would be an awesome balcony. I think the Marina City balconies are 10' at the widest point, they are really big. Somebody would pay the price for that size balcony and view.
May 4, 20214 yr I legitimately thought that 45 Erieview was going to be a hotel. A Coworking Hotel to be exact. Per their site: Bluelofts brand aims to mix business with leisure where coworking space is integrated in the same building as a micro apartment-hotel. Our locations are designed to act as a central point of contact for the members to work, meet and socialize with the local community. Blueloft https://staybluelofts.com
May 15, 20214 yr Author Project Description: Key Bank Key Tower Renovation Floor 7-8 Demolition of the existing floors of 7 and 8 for Key Bank Architect: Vocon GC: Infinity Construction Job Value($): $500,000.00 Work Area: 77,035 SF According to the documents submitted, the area to be demo'd and renovated includes Key Tower AND the old Society For Savings building, hence the large amount of square footage involved. The plans submitted address only the demolition, so it isn't clear how the space will be renovated or for what use(s) once the demo is done. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 17, 20214 yr On 5/15/2021 at 11:48 AM, KJP said: Project Description: Key Bank Key Tower Renovation Floor 7-8 Demolition of the existing floors of 7 and 8 for Key Bank Architect: Vocon GC: Infinity Construction Job Value($): $500,000.00 Work Area: 77,035 SF According to the documents submitted, the area to be demo'd and renovated includes Key Tower AND the old Society For Savings building, hence the large amount of square footage involved. The plans submitted address only the demolition, so it isn't clear how the space will be renovated or for what use(s) once the demo is done. Are they finally reversing their trend of moving the bulk of their employees out to Tiedeman? That’d be much welcome.
May 17, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, marty15 said: Are they finally reversing their trend of moving the bulk of their employees out to Tiedeman? That’d be much welcome. That would sure be nice! The other possibility is moving employees over from the Higbee Building. I wouldn't be surprised at that with Rocket Mortgage expanding.
May 17, 20214 yr 43 minutes ago, PoshSteve said: That would sure be nice! The other possibility is moving employees over from the Higbee Building. I wouldn't be surprised at that with Rocket Mortgage expanding. I thought those we’re already move out to Tiedeman?
May 18, 20214 yr Author 15 hours ago, PoshSteve said: That would sure be nice! The other possibility is moving employees over from the Higbee Building. I wouldn't be surprised at that with Rocket Mortgage expanding. I checked with Key Bank and they said they are renovating a couple floors of their HQ at a time. This is otherwise not driven by a new initiative such as new employment, relocated workers or even COVID-19 spacing of workers. So no real news here. Sorry for the false alarm. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 18, 20214 yr Not sure if this would be the right thread for this, but here it is anyway... Crain's Cleveland: Cleveland releases online map with land bank properties "The Cleveland Land Reutilization, or Land Bank, program launched an interactive, searchable map showing abandoned properties throughout the city with a link to apply for purchase. The map marks more than 13,000 vacant parcels available for public sale with sites cleared for new home construction or as side yard expansion (where existing property owners can purchase a lot that shares a border with their property), according to a Tuesday, May 18, release from Mayor Frank Jackson's administration..."
May 19, 20214 yr Author Since more people visit the development threads than the transportation threads, I thought I'd put this teaser/link here so people could find their way to the big news of the day...... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 19, 20214 yr This was also announced in today's committee meeting: https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/100th-bomb-group-restaurant-cleveland-new-life-aviation-event-center/95-66aec044-e9f3-4663-8c8e-d3570a52d634 Edited May 19, 20214 yr by skiwest
May 20, 20214 yr The Lumen garage screen is live!!! It’s a video screen & not just pictures or banners, plus there’s audio that goes with the videos that are playing. When I first saw the design I wasn’t real sure how I was going to like it, but it’s pretty amazing!! P.S. posting here because The Lumen thread is gone. Edited May 20, 20214 yr by NR
May 20, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, NR said: The Lumen garage screen is live!!! It’s a video screen & not just pictures or banners, plus there’s audio that goes with the videos that are playing. When I first saw the design I wasn’t real sure how I was going to like it, but it’s pretty amazing!! P.S. posting here because The Lumen thread is gone. Well that’s awesome. FYI - Lumen thread is in “completed projects” forum. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
May 20, 20214 yr Outstanding! I'm a big believer in lighting to enhance the mood or feel of an environment. When you see a photo of Asian cities with their abundance of lighting your pulse quicken's. When you visit Times Square the lighting seems almost alive and adds to the excitement. Everyone likes Christmas lights and in winter northern cities need all the light and color they can get. And just imagine if we really did light up our bridges like we planned in the 80's. What a UNIQUE signature for Cleveland and with the advances in LED lighting it is much cheaper now. Tourists would come from far and wide to see the lights adding dollars to our economy. Nela Park is right here. Let's take advantage of all these things (LED lighting, bridges, Nela Park) to brighten up this old town.
May 20, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, cadmen said: And just imagine if we really did light up our bridges like we planned in the 80's. This was actually realized in the mid 1990's for the city's bicentennial. Someone should do a "Whatever happened to" follow up to this "Whatever happened to" article from 2012 (updated in 2019). Cleveland's bicentennial project to light Flats bridges: Whatever happened to ...? https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2012/06/clevelands_bicentennial_projec.html
May 20, 20214 yr I know some of the bridges were lit up and they did look great for a very short while. If l remember correctly more were to come including more extensive lighting of the Main Avenue bridge. The problem was the technology was old, costly and for some reason whoever championed the original idea moved on to other things and one by one lit bridges became became an afterthought or went dark. Fast forward to today and we have a much better chance to pull this off because of advances in lighting. The only thing lacking is, as usual, leadership. Right now we are coming out of a pandemic. There are also numerous projects on the front burner (Justice Center, Landbridge, Amtrak etc.) that demand attention so l get that something like lighting the Flats bridges is simply not a priority. But the thing is lighting those bridges is relatively quick and inexpensive at least compared to the megaprojects we are pursuing. Doing so would provide a great return on equity almost immediately. We could easily do it if we wanted to. Just need a lighting champion. I nominate Kerry McCormack.
May 20, 20214 yr Also, unfortunately the City has proven itself incapable of maintaining lighting... going to have to find someone to champion that as well or they’ll be all burned out in a month.
May 20, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, mrclifton88 said: Also, unfortunately the City has proven itself incapable of maintaining lighting... going to have to find someone to champion that as well or they’ll be all burned out in a month. LEDs would help this, but yes, I get where you're coming from..,..
May 25, 20214 yr I know it's dumb to ask (if it's quiet that's usually a sign) but being back in the office I walked past the old spaghetti site on 9th, any word on that apt project?
May 26, 20214 yr Author 3 hours ago, GISguy said: I know it's dumb to ask (if it's quiet that's usually a sign) but being back in the office I walked past the old spaghetti site on 9th, any word on that apt project? We actually have a thread for that.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 29, 20214 yr On 5/20/2021 at 10:53 AM, cadmen said: Outstanding! I'm a big believer in lighting to enhance the mood or feel of an environment. When you see a photo of Asian cities with their abundance of lighting your pulse quicken's. When you visit Times Square the lighting seems almost alive and adds to the excitement. Everyone likes Christmas lights and in winter northern cities need all the light and color they can get. And just imagine if we really did light up our bridges like we planned in the 80's. What a UNIQUE signature for Cleveland and with the advances in LED lighting it is much cheaper now. Tourists would come from far and wide to see the lights adding dollars to our economy. Nela Park is right here. Let's take advantage of all these things (LED lighting, bridges, Nela Park) to brighten up this old town. Just offering another perspective, not disagreeing or criticizing: Too much flashy lighting can be sensory-overloading. My two cents, whether it's worth that much or not, is that I like how some of the buildings on Euclid have been lit with soft, colored lighting. I also like how some of the bridges are lit. To me this screen is a bit much and is really just another way to invade our lives with advertising. Again, just offering another perspective. I'm not being critical of your viewpoint, which is a valid one. Edited May 29, 20214 yr by gildone
June 10, 20214 yr Author Redirected from Justice Center thread... 15 minutes ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said: Am I the only one that picked up on this? Maybe a new thread is required but I'm dying over here!!! Sorry for the tease, but I don't have the green light yet to reveal it. Actually, you already know the building, just not how big it's going to be. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 10, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, KJP said: Redirected from Justice Center thread... Sorry for the tease, but I don't have the green light yet to reveal it. Actually, you already know the building, just not how big it's going to be. Let's see - Nucleus
June 10, 20214 yr Redirected from Justice Center thread... Sorry for the tease, but I don't have the green light yet to reveal it. Actually, you already know the building, just not how big it's going to be. Can you atleast give us a rough timeframe of when you will have the green light?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
June 10, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, KJP said: Redirected from Justice Center thread... Sorry for the tease, but I don't have the green light yet to reveal it. Actually, you already know the building, just not how big it's going to be. I'm guessing its the Getgo that was planned for 30th and Chester- they've decided to unveil their new Getgo Skyscraper urban format, right? Cleveland on the cutting edge, baby!
June 10, 20214 yr Author 17 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: Can you atleast give us a rough timeframe of when you will have the green light? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have no idea, but I'm hoping it won't be longer than a month. 4 minutes ago, X said: I'm guessing its the Getgo that was planned for 30th and Chester- they've decided to unveil their new Getgo Skyscraper urban format, right? Cleveland on the cutting edge, baby! It's a gas, gas, gas! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 10, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, X said: I'm guessing its the Getgo that was planned for 30th and Chester- they've decided to unveil their new Getgo Skyscraper urban format, right? Cleveland on the cutting edge, baby! First of all, in all seriousness, is there a Getgo planned for 30th and Chester?? I’d definitely go there, love Getgo lol
June 10, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Redirected from Justice Center thread... Sorry for the tease, but I don't have the green light yet to reveal it. Actually, you already know the building, just not how big it's going to be. I can wait a month. I'm totally lying - there is no way I can wait an actual, whole, human month. Dammit, man. :)
June 10, 20214 yr While you are over here teasing us Ken, do you know already know this buildings location, height, floor count, target date, etc? Or is it all preliminary/won’t be breaking ground until 2046?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
June 10, 20214 yr Author 17 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: While you are over here teasing us Ken, do you know already know this buildings location, height, floor count, target date, etc? Or is it all preliminary/won’t be breaking ground until 2046? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No, just the building's location, developer, general contractor, use, target date and square footage (which is what we're using to determine whether something is a whale). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 10, 20214 yr No, just the building's location, developer, general contractor, use, target date and square footage (which is what we're using to determine whether something is a whale). Which would be 500,000+ sq ft? Is this project considered a whale then? Sorry I have so many questions, you just have me all giddy over here. I’m just guessing it’s Cliffs or MagellanSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
June 10, 20214 yr if we guess right do we win a highly prized brand new 2x4 stud? https://www.cleveland.com/architecture/2017/10/metrohealth_could_replace_outp.html
June 10, 20214 yr 21 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: Which would be 500,000+ sq ft? Is this project considered a whale then? Sorry I have so many questions, you just have me all giddy over here. I’m just guessing it’s Cliffs or Magellan Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yes and yes to your questions
June 10, 20214 yr Prediction just for fun...I'm going to say the next whale is the Bedrock Riverfront site. From what I know about them, once they have a plan, they just go for it. I'm guessing they had some pretty detailed plans made back when they were wooing SHW and now that SHW passed, Bedrock's just going to go ahead and build it anyway. Capital usually isn't a problem for them so TMUD and market conditions aren't as crucial to them as it is for other developers, plus Rocket Mortgage is growing anyway. If they build now they could snap up tenants like Cleveland Cliffs and possibly poach Nucleus tenants, while other developers are biding their time. They'll probably add a healthy dose of residential to the development while they're at it and maybe tie it into Tower City too.
June 10, 20214 yr I'd be super happy to see Magellan, Bedrock or the original Nucleus. But I'll be throwing my hat in the ring with: Lumen act II. Edited June 10, 20214 yr by surfohio
June 10, 20214 yr Magellan would be cool but without the demo of the 2 existing buildings. Which could be a cause for an increase in height... 🤔
June 10, 20214 yr I'm guessing Magellan.......a mix of office and residential! Thank you Sherwin WIlliams!! :)
June 11, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, GISguy said: Burj Cleveland it is - tall skinny, 40k ft tall. It's going to be Burg Cleveland, a massive vertical expansion of the Wahlburger's in the casino parking garage. Can I get a rendering?
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