1 minute ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Not guaranteed, but the two projects I would rate as most likely to get funded based on the stated criteria are Centennial and North Market Tower, in that order. The criteria favor larger projects.

 

Yes, those that will have big economic impacts, promote equity/access, and those that are shovel-ready. They have to be ready to go. The tax credit is suppose to fill the last missing piece of a project's financing that's keeping them from moving forward. So I have my doubts as to whether the Lakewood project will get approved since its planning/schematic design has not been seen let alone voted on by the city. Projects like Centennial, Bridgeworks, etc are ready to go. Circle Square's first phase isn't ready to go because the public parking deck hasn't been approved (it might be if enough Planning Commission members show up/to stick around for a whole meeting!) and no schematic designs have been submitted yet for the hotel/retail pedestal combo.

33 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Yes, those that will have big economic impacts, promote equity/access, and those that are shovel-ready. They have to be ready to go. The tax credit is suppose to fill the last missing piece of a project's financing that's keeping them from moving forward. So I have my doubts as to whether the Lakewood project will get approved since its planning/schematic design has not been seen let alone voted on by the city. Projects like Centennial, Bridgeworks, etc are ready to go. Circle Square's first phase isn't ready to go because the public parking deck hasn't been approved (it might be if enough Planning Commission members show up/to stick around for a whole meeting!) and no schematic designs have been submitted yet for the hotel/retail pedestal combo.

Two projects in Cleveland getting funding would be fine with me. Those two projects account for close to 1,000 apartments. 

Article is a few months old but is encouraging after the devastating loss of employment of Ben Venue in Bedford a decade ago. Seems as though Xelia is in a robust hiring cycle.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/xellia-pharmaceuticals-cleveland-ohio-manufacturing-120000182.html

This Fridays Planning Commission agenda is huge again, primarily because they have to deal with a number of items they could not get to at the last meeting as they lost a quorum a little after noon.  With this agenda they could easily go past 2:00 PM unless they take steps to speed up presentations, which really is not that great of an idea.  I hope the chairman can take some time in the next couple of days (you know...between his many phone calls with Tony George) and get members on board to clear their calendars.

Edited November 17, 20213 yr by Htsguy

There have been three deletions from the agenda for the CPC meeting tomorrow. The Silverhills at Thunderbird project, the Outdoor Storage on Chester Avenue project, and Project Boron (Orlando Bakery expansion/cold storage facility) on East 75th Street have all been removed from Friday’s Final Agenda. 

10 minutes ago, KJP said:

There have been three deletions from the agenda for the CPC meeting tomorrow. The Silverhills at Thunderbird project, the Outdoor Storage on Chester Avenue project, and Project Boron (Orlando Bakery expansion/cold storage facility) on East 75th Street have all been removed from Friday’s Final Agenda. 

Any reason why?

12 minutes ago, KJP said:

There have been three deletions from the agenda for the CPC meeting tomorrow. The Silverhills at Thunderbird project, the Outdoor Storage on Chester Avenue project, and Project Boron (Orlando Bakery expansion/cold storage facility) on East 75th Street have all been removed from Friday’s Final Agenda. 

Does anyone know if the revised version of Silverhills went to design review (or even has to)?  I recall the first version was semi-savaged in its first go around in design review.  

Perhaps too many items on this week's agenda and they moved to the next meeting.

2 hours ago, Htsguy said:

Does anyone know if the revised version of Silverhills went to design review (or even has to)?  I recall the first version was semi-savaged in its first go around in design review.  

 

The agenda states it was removed at the applicant's request.  I guess that could be for a number of reasons.

Sometimes if the agenda is large Planning will reach out to applicants to see if they mind being bumped. This likely happened this week. A lot of the items don't require much conversation on this agenda, but yes it is large

And I thought the next few days were going to be a holiday for me. Nope! Thanks to @tykapsfor sniffing out a ton of new stuff coming.

Wonder what impacts this will have on housing construction? My desire is to see some large/vertical mixed-income housing constructed near Rapid stations...

 

 

Anyone know, maybe @PoshStevewhat is happening to that old commercial complex at about 4140 Mayfiled road in South Euclid?

 

I see they have construction fencing surrounding the property.

Edited November 28, 20213 yr by Mov2Ohio

1 hour ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Anyone know, maybe @PoshStevewhat is happening to that old commercial complex at about 4140 Mayfiled road in South Euclid?

 

I see they have construction fencing surrounding the property.

It's becoming a storage facility. The good news is it will atleast be fronted to the street. American Tuxedo was bought out and no longer exists. 

^ Correct - I saw the plans at a BZA meeting awhile ago, and while I don't remember the details, it wasn't terrible for what it is. Being built up to the road instead of behind the current large parking lot which exists there now is a big plus.

Progress on the Townhomes on Stokes BLVD

Since not too many people visit the transportation section, I'm posting this link here. But please comment/discuss in the transportation section.....

 

 

Absolutely nuts.  Today the Planning Commission lost its quorum before noon.  In other words not even a full three hours with a quorum.  And it seems like the members sneak out of the virtual meeting.

40 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Absolutely nuts.  Today the Planning Commission lost its quorum before noon.  In other words not even a full three hours with a quorum.  And it seems like the members sneak out of the virtual meeting.

I'm hoping Bibb insists on a more rigorous approach. The professionalism of city/county staff is pretty pretty low. 

50 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Absolutely nuts.  Today the Planning Commission lost its quorum before noon.  In other words not even a full three hours with a quorum.  And it seems like the members sneak out of the virtual meeting.

What a huge middle finger to those proposing to build in the city. Its so disrespectful.

1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

Absolutely nuts.  Today the Planning Commission lost its quorum before noon.  In other words not even a full three hours with a quorum.  And it seems like the members sneak out of the virtual meeting.

 

I reported on it in the Gateway thread. If it was just one time, OK fine. But this happens A LOT. And today, with the meeting ending after only three hours without any advanced notice from the two commissioners is unacceptable. This was a New York City investor and a Pittsburgh architect. Great message to send to the development/design community in those two cities.

It's bad enough that development projects move at such a slow pace in Cleveland.  But this is ridiculous.  

This kind of behavior is what l have complained about in the past. Forget a sense of urgency, too often local government agencies show little regard for the routine. Not only is it a bad look it's bad for business. 

 

Expecting better is not unreasonable. I don't want to place to much on the incoming Bibb administration but he does appear to understand that doing business the same old way is not an option. If he means that l hope he can impart some of that conviction onto agencies he doesn't control. 

 

Imagine the results if government had half the desire those on this forum have to see a vibrant Cleveland. One that actually gets things done and moves the city forward.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t commission members paid to be on Planning Commission? Thought I remembered something like $7k a year.

Part of the problem is that there are so many things on these agendas that probably shouldn’t be, and they’re typically in the front. I get the fact that the commission doesn’t want to make someone there to present a wall mural (there are way too many of these every single agenda by the way) or a lot split wait three hours to be heard, but slowing down projects that are tens of millions of dollars is the victim of losing quorum?

 

Not sure where to put this since the Mayor Bibb thread is locked, but several key positions in his administration are now open for hiring. This will impact Cleveland development, so I’m putting it in this thread: 
 

• Chief of Government Affairs

 

• Chief of Integrated Development

 

• Director of Building & Housing

 

• Director of Community Development

 

• Director of Economic Development

 

https://mayor-elect-bibb-administration-city-of-cleveland.breezy.hr

Sad to see David Ebersole go as Director of Economic Development.  Thought he brought much enthusiasm to the position.

On 12/8/2021 at 12:22 PM, Htsguy said:

Sad to see David Ebersole go as Director of Economic Development.  Thought he brought much enthusiasm to the position.

😏 I guess...

I am really not sure where to post this but some news on 45 Erieview!

 

 

 

Here is some more info on 45 Erieview as well as a few others.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2021/12/project-to-turn-45-erieview-plaza-in-downtown-cleveland-into-apartment-building-nets-5m-ohio-historic-tax-credit.html

 

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

The Cleveland.com article says 368 apartments, not 260. Which is correct? 

3 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

I am.

I figured, but had to ask:)

Just now, jeremyck01 said:

I figured, but had to ask:)

 

Now I'm hearing 280. I deleted my post and will wait to hear back from the developer. Will post the right answer shortly.

Yep, 260.

This is crazy. I can't get a hard number on how many apartments. There are 31 apartments per floor on floors 3-14. That's 372 units right there. Then there's 16 apartments on the 15th floor and a few penthouses on the 16th floor. Ugh.

Does anyone know if this corporate artwork at 45 Erieview is significant or not, or who owns it? The Alexander Calder sculpture in "Willis" Tower got caught up in Sears Bankruptcy litigation and ended up being removed from the lobby of the tower by the current owners unforunately. I hope this stays. I wonder if AT&T owns it (after Ohio Bell and Ameritech) and if it is worth anything, or by a famous artist

 

45 Erieview

 

Sears Tower Sculpture:

Cleveland.com article:

 

Apartment conversion of former Ohio Bell building in downtown Cleveland nets $5M historic tax credit

Updated: Dec. 14, 2021, 5:38 p.m. | Published: Dec. 14, 2021, 2:00 p.m.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2021/12/project-to-turn-45-erieview-plaza-in-downtown-cleveland-into-apartment-building-nets-5m-ohio-historic-tax-credit.html

 

38-year-old building wins historic tax credit
By Ken Prendergast / December 14, 2021

 

Champagne was flowing in the lobby of 45 Erieview as Ohio Department of Development officials announced the winner of one of the state’s largest historic tax credits — a 38-year-old office building to be converted mostly into high-end housing. The $5 million tax credit may round out the $102 million project’s financing, allowing its sale and redevelopment to move forward.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/12/14/38-year-old-building-wins-historic-tax-credit/

While I'm happy about this building receiving historic credits, it sucks that the Warner Swasey building didn't win. I really wanted to see that building redeveloped, hopefully they can figure out the financing. 

This building promises to have some great views, and some fantastic amenities, but, man, some of those floor plans are crazy! Particularly near the curved glass, where some of those apartments will likely feel 50-100 ft³ smaller than they actually are. That said, I'm sure they'll appeal to someone for the right price!

Not to get too far off the topic at hand but the Cleveland Whiskey building is awesome. Great to see the worn down industrial past of the west bank get revitalized and repurposed for such a cool company!

4 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

While I'm happy about this building receiving historic credits, it sucks that the Warner Swasey building didn't win. I really wanted to see that building redeveloped, hopefully they can figure out the financing. 

 

Totally agree... 45 Erieview is part of a critical dead zone downtown and I can't wait to see this project happen and hopefully spill over into the Galleria. I am also so excited for Cleveland Whiskey to spark more activity in that part of the Flats. Sadly there is always a loser in these rounds... I hope Warner Swasey keeps trying. That would be such a huge development to an area with nothing happening.

31 minutes ago, Ethan said:

This building promises to have some great views, and some fantastic amenities, but, man, some of those floor plans are crazy! Particularly near the curved glass, where some of those apartments will likely feel 50-100 ft³ smaller than they actually are. That said, I'm sure they'll appeal to someone for the right price!

Yeah, those floor plans are awful. I know they gotta make the numbers work, but I was really hoping that they’d have some 2k+ sq ft units with a couple of bedrooms and an office. With those curved windows and that view, we would definitely taken a hard look at that and would’ve paid for it too. 
 

Without scrolling back through the thread, I thought the developer was talking that game early on. Seems like they’ve really scaled back the ambition. 

22 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

 

Totally agree... 45 Erieview is part of a critical dead zone downtown and I can't wait to see this project happen and hopefully spill over into the Galleria. I am also so excited for Cleveland Whiskey to spark more activity in that part of the Flats. Sadly there is always a loser in these rounds... I hope Warner Swasey keeps trying. That would be such a huge development to an area with nothing happening.

Didn't Warner Swasey get a $2 million grant from the city from ARPA money? Do they actually need the tax credit with that infusion?

It would have been nice to see it remain as an office building, but apparently nobody wanted it.  

This is great news. I love this building. It’s a graceful entry to the East 9th corridor. Will bring so much life to that corner. Need Erieview to go next. 

I'm very interested to see more details about many of these project proposals (ie: the MLK/Hough and Charles Lake/Glenville sites) from out-of-state investors...

 

 

Ten Cleveland schools OK’d for new uses
By Ken Prendergast / December 17, 2021

 

City Planning Commission today gave city and school officials authority to enter into agreements with multiple proposed purchasers and real estate developers to acquire and repurpose 10 Cleveland Metropolitan School District (CMSD) properties. The disposition of those 10 properties is part of a larger effort to sell and reuse more school sites.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/12/17/ten-cleveland-schools-okd-for-new-uses/

Despite all the shortcomings and holdouts for projects this year, I think DT-Cleveland is coming closer to surpassing DT-Columbus on adding apartments and economic impact zones. But also don't forget, Columbus has its populous as a result of annex, kind of makes me wish Newburgh Hts and Linndale would just default to Cleveland already. Its a big step to increasing city surface area, while also making a small dent in population accumulation. If I recall in previous years major companies like apple, google, target, and other major retailers wont set up shop downtown unless the city has a population of 500,000 or over. Population decline has been dwindling over the past few years, and I'm happy to say we may be on an uptick in the coming years even if we don't annex the two. The incorporation of CCA, SHW, Cliffs, a New Justice Center, and Development of Scranton Peninsula will finally bring life back to the burning river. The fact that Two Cranes are appearing at the same time is amazing to me, and I hope even just that image will bring plenty of fresh talent and economic development to help our city thrive once again. I have faith in the new administration, albeit young and inexperienced; to help set us apart from our sister cities. Columbo & Cincy, you've been warned!