August 2, 20222 yr Author 6 minutes ago, urb-a-saurus said: Whatever happened to tne Canon project in Fairfax? Was it ever really a thing? Don't know. It just seemed to fade away. Maybe it ran out of toner.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 20222 yr I’d put all my marbles on this being bedrock related, it fits the bill especially if saying where they’re from would give it away. them saying I’m from Detroit plus it’s a “large, game-changing development” wouldn’t leave much up to the imaginationWas there a hint of ford doing anything else aside from updating its plant in Avon Lake to produce EVs?
August 3, 20222 yr Author I was hearing months ago that Ford was going to build a 1 million-square-foot facility. There was no info as to where or for what. It was probably referring to the EV plant in Avon Lake. Detroit is a good bet. Saying Detroit pretty much would have given away Bedrock. But saying Dearborn would have given away Ford. Or saying Armonk, NY would've given away IBM. If they say Minneapolis, it's either MA Mortenson Co. (hired by Haslams) or maybe Valspar... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 3, 20222 yr If the visitor is staying downtown, the project must be near to downtown....not Avon.
August 3, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, sooner said: If the visitor is staying downtown, the project must be near to downtown....not Avon. He's aware. Ken heard about a Ford project before they announced they were making upgrades to their Avon facility. After it was assumed that initial rumor was referring to the Avon plant, but never confirmed.
August 3, 20222 yr Author 8 hours ago, Whipjacka said: moving valspar to cle would be nice But I wouldn't consider that game-changing. Then again, companies often have an inflated opinion of their own self importance. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 3, 20222 yr 11 hours ago, Whipjacka said: moving valspar to cle would be nice That was the pre-pandemic plan and that was why Sun Country planned to operate low-cost CLE-MSP flights. The pandemic killed (at least temporarily) both moves. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
August 3, 20222 yr For a variety of reasons I would find it very difficult to believe that anyone would be relocated to Cleveland for a riverfront or lakefront design. Bi-Monthly travel for meetings - yes. Relocation - no. Those long term projects just couldn't justify relocation at this point. I would more likely believe the individual is working on a project that is starting or underway. I would also assume that this individual brings to Cleveland either a unique talent which required them to be relocated or just be part of an organization that normally doesn't work in the area - for example there are many Korean and Japanese individuals temporarily working as project managers in Lordstown right now. A "game changer" to such individual would more likely include major technology advances than providing Clevelanders with a boardwalk. That said, I've heard coffee shop owners describe their new menu items and outdoor seating as "game changers" for the neighborhood. So it's my prediction that our Cleveland Mystery Guest will be opening a new Boba tea café at tower city's lush new plastic flower garden in the upcoming months.
August 3, 20222 yr Author Sweet! But seriously, I got the impression that this person was relocated here to set up and/or manage an office for the development of whatever project this is. The technology explanation is an interesting one. If so, the IBM/Cleveland Clinic partnership is an intriguing one. It makes a lot of sense. But a source questioned this possibility. He wondered if that partnership was still going through because IBM is reducing staff at their building on East 105th at Carnegie. On the other hand, that staff's responsibilities/expertise may have been completely unrelated to the IBM/CCF's Discovery Accelerator. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 3, 20222 yr FWIW and with my tin foil hat firmly on my head. I got on the shoreway west this morning off of E9th by the Rock Hall. On the on-ramp were two guys walking around with what looked like surveying-type equipment. This is pretty much where an extended mall would go right?!? My hovercraft is full of eels
August 3, 20222 yr 4 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: FWIW and with my tin foil hat firmly on my head. I got on the shoreway west this morning off of E9th by the Rock Hall. On the on-ramp were two guys walking around with what looked like surveying-type equipment. This is pretty much where an extended mall would go right?!? Hasn't this preliminary study work been going on in some form or another (I would imagine both field and office work which of course could be done anywhere) for almost a year now? I believe at least $5 million was authorized by one or another governmental entity for the necessary engineering and environmental studies and the work was suppose to take something like 18 months. @KJP would be more on top of this.
August 3, 20222 yr 4 hours ago, KJP said: Sweet! But seriously, I got the impression that this person was relocated here to set up and/or manage an office for the development of whatever project this is. The technology explanation is an interesting one. If so, the IBM/Cleveland Clinic partnership is an intriguing one. It makes a lot of sense. But a source questioned this possibility. He wondered if that partnership was still going through because IBM is reducing staff at their building on East 105th at Carnegie. On the other hand, that staff's responsibilities/expertise may have been completely unrelated to the IBM/CCF's Discovery Accelerator. Given what this random bargoer did and did not say, I think the only thing we know is that he *probably* isn't relocating from NYC, Chicago, LA, Houston, or the Bay Area. It's pretty hard for me to imagine someone from one of those cities saying they better not reveal where they're from (since those cities are so big that it's pretty meaningless information). That doesn't really rule out any of the hypotheses you posed on the last page. I would say I think the Haslam idea is the least likely if for no other reason than . . . people from Tennessee tend to automatically reveal where they're from by the way they speak rather than the words they use. 😉 I'll also throw in that the "large, game-changing" development could be large and game-changing for the company rather than the city. If this is, say, a 200-employee company based in Pittsburgh that is now opening a second office in Cleveland with 100 employees, I could definitely see everyone at the company saying their second office is "large and game changing." All that being said--My favorite hypothesis (with no basis, just a guess!) is ARPA-H.
August 3, 20222 yr As much as I would appreciate a "game-changing" development in the form of...say the land bridge or another skyscraper (don't see that as a possibility) if push came to shove I would actually prefer it to be a jobs related game changer like a large investment in some kind of scientific/medical proposition in University Circle. Just my two cents.
August 4, 20222 yr Author That probably explains why we got a bunch of new subscribers today! I was wondering about that... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 4, 20222 yr 16 hours ago, Ineffable_Matt said: IDK exactly where to put this, but @KJPis about to get that r/Cleveland bump! I saw the same Reddit post!
August 4, 20222 yr On 8/2/2022 at 5:24 PM, BoomerangCleRes said: I’d put all my marbles on this being bedrock related, it fits the bill especially if saying where they’re from would give it away. them saying I’m from Detroit plus it’s a “large, game-changing development” wouldn’t leave much up to the imagination Bedrock would also be my guess, but we'll have to wait and see. Wasn't the medical mart supposed to be a "game-changing development"? How did that work out? 😉
August 4, 20222 yr 51 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Wasn't the medical mart supposed to be a "game-changing development"? How did that work out? 😉 Sam Allard has entered the chat!
August 4, 20222 yr 59 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Wasn't the medical mart supposed to be a "game-changing development"? How did that work out? 😉 Another $30 million will fix it....
August 4, 20222 yr 18 hours ago, cadmen said: As much as I would appreciate a "game-changing" development in the form of...say the land bridge or another skyscraper (don't see that as a possibility) if push came to shove I would actually prefer it to be a jobs related game changer like a large investment in some kind of scientific/medical proposition in University Circle. Just my two cents. As the anonymous person said "but it's a large, game-changing development." that "development" part leads me to believe that something is going to be built. However, as it did with SHW, I hope this potential game-changing development adds many new jobs to CLE/Downtown.
August 4, 20222 yr ^ Well to be fair, a "gamechanging" investment in the scientific/medical community in UC would probably involve a large building at some point. Not to mention propelling an already strong foundation to greater heights. Which is what l prefer. But whatever comes from the conversation l don't think it will involve something related to that field. I think if anything it WlLL be some kind of straight forward physical development and not just investment dollars.
August 5, 20222 yr Could it be this https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=18076&share_tid=17391&share_pid=1044253&url=https://forum.urbanohio.com/index.php?/topic/17391-Cleveland%3A-Bedrock-HBSE-Gateway-Megaproject/page__view__findpost__p__1044253&share_type=t&link_source=appSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
August 5, 20222 yr Author 1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said: Could it be this https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=18076&share_tid=17391&share_pid=1044253&url=https://forum.urbanohio.com/index.php?/topic/17391-Cleveland%3A-Bedrock-HBSE-Gateway-Megaproject/page__view__findpost__p__1044253&share_type=t&link_source=app Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It might be, but everything that I've heard since that article and a few that followed, is that Bedrock's riverfront endeavor is a larger, more imminent development. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 8, 20222 yr Author Here's a weird one.... A Mantua OH-based plumbing contractor submitted a permit application for the installation of fixtures to the city of Cleveland for a Ford Motor Training Center at 6930 Treeline Drive, Brecksville OH 44141. Brecksville?? The information also says the work will be in Cleveland's Ward 3 (downtown, near west side, etc.) with a parcel number (60427005) that doesn't yield anything from MyPlaceCuyahogaCounty.us. Oh, and the owner listed is Treeline Inc, PO BOX 360797, Strongsville, OH 44136. Anyone got any insights here? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 8, 20222 yr That is weird. A parcel number starting with 604 is in Brecksville. Perhaps there are errors in the application.
August 8, 20222 yr 7 minutes ago, dski44 said: That is weird. A parcel number starting with 604 is in Brecksville. Perhaps there are errors in the application. 604-27-005 TREELINE INC 6930 TREELINE DR BRECKSVILLE, OH. 44141
August 12, 20222 yr Author New developer turns in big property plays By Ken Prendergast / August 12, 2022 A Beachwood-based real estate development partnership that’s less than two years old is making a lot of big moves in acquiring real estate in Cleveland’s urban core. The “where, why and how” questions surrounding those acquisitions are answered by “who” is behind those buys. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2022/08/12/new-developer-turns-in-big-property-plays/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 13, 20222 yr Good read from Crain's about Opportunity Zone developments: https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/more-opportunity-zone-developers-bet-clevelands-east-side Two points on the map really stuck out to me. I don't think I've heard anything else about these plans before now: 3210 Franklin Blvd - TDGOZ II LLC (Neil Viny) acquired this vacant land across from the planned Franklin Yards renovation. Plans call for a multi-story apartment building. 808 College Ave - TDGOS II LLC acquired a small apartment building and vacant land. Plans call for razing the apartments and constructing a mixed-use building.
August 15, 20222 yr Author Apparently there was some interesting news today at the Northern Ohio NAIOP meeting. I'm limited by being 4,000 miles away. Apparently two media reps were there so hopefully we'll get some coverage. Wish it was me, though.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 16, 20222 yr 19 hours ago, KJP said: Apparently there was some interesting news today at the Northern Ohio NAIOP meeting. I'm limited by being 4,000 miles away. Apparently two media reps were there so hopefully we'll get some coverage. Wish it was me, though.... Any update on this?
August 16, 20222 yr Author 5 hours ago, JB said: Any update on this? Haven't heard. Been busy traveling on multiple trains across Germany. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 20, 20222 yr I was just reflecting on everything going on right now: New construction downtown of SW HQ and City Club Apts Several massive conversions downtown What should be a pretty major revitalization of the garment district Artisan and Library Lofts in UC Meijer/Apts plus the adjacent project, plus Stokes West on the Fairfax/UC border. About five big projects in midtown, including Signet, Magnet, Cle Foundation HQ A couple good sized apt developments in Cleveland Heights A couple even bigger apt developments in Shaker Perhaps ten or more projects in Ohio City/Duck Island/Tremont Several projects a little farther west (e.g. Detroit shoreway/Edgewater/Gordon square) Pretty big new project in Lakewood And of course there's a bunch of other stuff I'm not mentioning. But has anyone on this forum been alive at a time of MORE activity than this? And it's not all just located in a couple hotspots. There are ten separate neighborhoods listed above where big new projects are happening or about to happen. The broad based nature of the growth is really impressive. I know we get excited about mega-projects like whatever Bedrock is gonna do. But I just wanted to point out how much healthy organic growth is going on. Really amazing.
August 20, 20222 yr I have been around a long time and I don't recall seeing so much activity. There was a lot happening in the late 80s to mid 90s, but I believe most of the activity was downtown - Galleria, Tower City, Jacobs Field, Gund Arena, Key Center, Rock Hall, Science Center, Playhouse Square, etc. The only disappointing thing is that the city is still losing population despite all the new residential units that have been added downtown and throughout the city in the last 20+ years. I am hopeful that will change soon. Edited August 20, 20222 yr by LibertyBlvd
August 20, 20222 yr Author Cleveland's working-age population is growing, but the numbers of older people and especially children are shrinking. That's why the number of occupied housing units in Cleveland has actually gone up and why there is a demand for more housing units. And to @LlamaLawyer's point, there is a lot more on the drawing board. Granted, not all of it is going to come to pass, but some of it will including more downtown high-rises. And you didn't mention the Clinic's projects, one of which will be the biggest new development in the city (Neuro Center). "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 21, 20222 yr 23 hours ago, KJP said: Cleveland's working-age population is growing, but the numbers of older people and especially children are shrinking. That's why the number of occupied housing units in Cleveland has actually gone up and why there is a demand for more housing units. Is this a healthy trend for cities? Curious if this is something other areas have experienced and what outcomes they had.
August 21, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Henke said: Is this a healthy trend for cities? Curious if this is something other areas have experienced and what outcomes they had. DC is that way. It gives you a population that needs relatively little public assistance. Whether that's healthy or just another way of describing gentrification, I leave up to you. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
August 22, 20222 yr 6 hours ago, Henke said: Is this a healthy trend for cities? Curious if this is something other areas have experienced and what outcomes they had. I think to determine that you have to compare to the baseline of countrywide trend. It has been well known now for years that birthrates are going down for younger people most likely due to cost of living, and rental rates are increasing everywhere too as young people are priced out of homes. And even longer trends it has been common for young people to flock to cities from rural areas. So I would be curious if Cleveland is above or below the % changes for these countrywide trend. This is not unique to Cleveland as these trends are happening everywhere now.
August 22, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, dwolfi01 said: I think to determine that you have to compare to the baseline of countrywide trend. It has been well known now for years that birthrates are going down for younger people most likely due to cost of living, and rental rates are increasing everywhere too as young people are priced out of homes. And even longer trends it has been common for young people to flock to cities from rural areas. So I would be curious if Cleveland is above or below the % changes for these countrywide trend. This is not unique to Cleveland as these trends are happening everywhere now. I’m convinced that 2020 will be the last year that Cleveland sees a drop in population. Willing to bet a billion dollars on it, or a pack of beer; whichever I can afford in 2030 😄
August 22, 20222 yr Buffalo has seen the biggest jump in its population since the 1920s. One of the things that has helped the city is its "Green Code" one of the chief components of the Green Code is to get rid of parking minimums. Is Cleveland ever going to overhaul its zoning code? https://www.cnu.org/publicsquare/2022/08/16/how-zoning-reform-has-helped-turn-buffalo-around
August 22, 20222 yr 11 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said: I’m convinced that 2020 will be the last year that Cleveland sees a drop in population. Willing to bet a billion dollars on it, or a pack of beer; whichever I can afford in 2030 😄 census estimate shows it still dropped in 2021 😥... but 2022 is definitely the year we turn things around https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/clevelandcityohio
August 22, 20222 yr It would be wonderful if that's the case, but why do you think there will be a turnaround in 2022?
August 22, 20222 yr I think an underutilized asset is the Urban Affairs program at CSU. Last time I looked the program was ranked very high nationally. I've taken some grad classes there and was impressed. I think that the city would benefit from creating a working relationship with the program. Ideas like creating a "Green Code" are things that academics often understand before government bureaucrats. We have seen a continual increase in development in town over the years. What we haven't seen is a concomitant increase in population. There are many reasons for that and yes, it is frustrating. I do think that the region is beginning to put in place the ingredients that will create population growth in the near future. And in the long term climate change will only benefit Cleveland and the Midwest. After all, we have water and much of the country does not.
August 22, 20222 yr 27 minutes ago, MrR said: census estimate shows it still dropped in 2021 😥... but 2022 is definitely the year we turn things around https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/clevelandcityohio I’m only counting the actual census when it comes in 2030 compared to the 2020 numbers; the off-year estimates have been just that… off. The economic numbers for the region are not like in the 80s and even the 90s. We’ve pretty much shedded the rust off regarding manufacturing, which last I checked is either the third or fourth largest employing sector of our economy. That’s a big change from a generation ago. Ed’s and meds have been leading for a while now and before the pandemic was growing at a nice rate every year. Though there was a slight dip in employment, there was nowhere close to the drop-off in numbers that the region would experience during recessions when manufacturing was king. The city is literally poised for growth- for real this time- during the next census. Anyone willing to take my bet? 😄 Edit: sorry for taking this off topic! Edited August 22, 20222 yr by Oldmanladyluck
August 22, 20222 yr Also if you also take into account the immediate suburbs, Cleveland has had population growth between 2010-2020 censuses. the Cleveland MSA decline has been much less since Cleveland is no different in escaping the urban sprawl trend that is happening all over America. So yes I believe Cleveland will continue to see growth accelerate and the City of Cleveland population will certainly follow the greater MSA population trend of turning to growth.
August 25, 20222 yr (A good) sign of the times: Bank of America is opening a newly build branch at E79th and Carnegie. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
August 25, 20222 yr Author Yep. I wrote about it nearly two years ago..... 🙂 https://neo-trans.blog/2020/12/21/health-tech-corridor-to-see-a-busier-2021/ EDIT: this is also planned to go up next door..... https://neo-trans.blog/2021/06/25/kalina-house-gets-early-ok-for-fairfax-site/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 26, 20222 yr 5 hours ago, KJP said: Yep. I wrote about it nearly two years ago..... 🙂 https://neo-trans.blog/2020/12/21/health-tech-corridor-to-see-a-busier-2021/ EDIT: this is also planned to go up next door..... https://neo-trans.blog/2021/06/25/kalina-house-gets-early-ok-for-fairfax-site/ Yep, and it's actually open now!
August 26, 20222 yr 11 hours ago, KJP said: Yep. I wrote about it nearly two years ago..... 🙂 https://neo-trans.blog/2020/12/21/health-tech-corridor-to-see-a-busier-2021/ EDIT: this is also planned to go up next door..... https://neo-trans.blog/2021/06/25/kalina-house-gets-early-ok-for-fairfax-site/ Yes, you nailed it. I guess I wasn't impressed until I saw that it is a full-service branch of a BIG bank in a part of town that had not been attracting that kind of investment. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
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