Regarding the "Walk of Rock," I believe it's a great concept, but I'm a bit underwhelmed by its execution. I'm concerned that without vibrant surroundings and street life that these markers will become something of a hidden curiosity.

 

Not saying it's a better idea, but the "Surfers Row" in San Clemente, California is a much more visible one. It can certainly be emulated here in Cleveland. Their banners are aesthetically more suited for the beach. Banners of the Rock Hall inductees, built in a way that fits in with our more urban surroundings, I believe those would be an excellent addition to our city.

 

 

And again, who pays for those? Those banners are expensive. 

Who pays for the upkeep and maintenance?  As they need to replaced frequently

 

Flags in this instance are not really economic nor feasible for downtown

- They are visual clutter

- Downtown Cleveland plays host to many events and the flags are changed based on events and special holidays

 

 

 

 

Be fair, those banners are expensive, but are they more expensive than the plaques?

Be fair, those banners are expensive, but are they more expensive than the plaques?

I don't know the cost of the plaques.  The plaques are sponsored, become a local and tourist point of interest (and civic pride) and lead to possible spin off development and street level interaction.

 

Thats something the banners cannot do.

Why could the banners not also be sponsored?  Personally, I would rather have the banners than the street plaques.  Easy chance for eyes on impressions with passing vehicular traffic.  I also know for a fact there is demand for the banners situated along the Healthline.

Why could the banners not also be sponsored?  Personally, I would rather have the banners than the street plaques.  Easy chance for eyes on impressions with passing vehicular traffic.  I also know for a fact there is demand for the banners situated along the Healthline.

 

Those banners are sponsored, but they also have to replaced many times over for various events in downtown.

 

Key words, "vehicular traffic"!

 

The plaques are something that people can touch, feel, photograph and have an overall interaction with.  They can't do that with a banner.  In addition, as I've said earlier, a plaque placed at x location will draw people to it and store front it's in front of will benefit.  If you're a big James Brown fan and his plaque is placed in front of X restaurant which happens to be soul food or the ambiance caters to those that like his genre of music, it's a win-win.  A flag cannot do that.

We have those banners everywhere.  IMO they are way overused.  Once they are all over...people will be walking around the city to see them.

What used to be in the empty space in 200 Public Square facing Superior? From the inside I can see a bar and a chandelier, looks like it may have been a restaurant?

What used to be in the empty space in 200 Public Square facing Superior? From the inside I can see a bar and a chandelier, looks like it may have been a restaurant?

 

Yep.  It's been several restaurants.

Be fair, those banners are expensive, but are they more expensive than the plaques?

I don't know the cost of the plaques.  The plaques are sponsored, become a local and tourist point of interest (and civic pride) and lead to possible spin off development and street level interaction.

 

Thats something the banners cannot do.

 

Plaques cost about $5,000 each, I don't know if that includes maintenance.  http://www.cleveland.com/rockhall/index.ssf/2012/04/first_round_of_rock_and_roll_h.html

 

We have those banners everywhere.  IMO they are way overused.  Once they are all over...people will be walking around the city to see them.

 

If money were no object I'd have suggested video screens.

 

Agree the traditional banner has been overused. That's why I suggested something different ie appropriate for surroundings, more suited for a large display but at the same time durable.

 

Point is there is a lot of visual blandness downtown. Also, I think the advertising for the Rock Hall is much understated. If there is something we have a ton of room to capitalize on, it's the worldwide celebrity of the artists enshrined here.

 

Again, I agree the plaques are a great idea. And if they can even partially emulate the Hollywood Walk, it's a real positive.  It's just that a plaque in the sidewalk is only so visible.

What used to be in the empty space in 200 Public Square facing Superior? From the inside I can see a bar and a chandelier, looks like it may have been a restaurant?

 

The last restaurant that was there was Frank and Pauly's. Closed a few years back.

 

Seems like a weird location for a restaurant today, the way it fronts on Superior like that. It also had an internal entrance that was probably popular for business lunches/dinners when that building was first constructed.

Frank and Pauly's was awesome. They closed all their chain locations -- except Mentor.

What's going on with the Anthony Celebreze building? I know there's been scaffolding and everything, but are they doing anything significant?

What's going on with the Anthony Celebreze building? I know there's been scaffolding and everything, but are they doing anything significant?

They're basically putting on a new energy efficient skin. There's a thread about it somewhere around here.

Silly Putty for Potholes

by Gretchen Cuda Kroen on 11 April 2012, 11:51 AM | 10 Comments

 

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/04/silly-putty-for-potholes.html?ref=hp

 

 

 

What's going on with the Anthony Celebreze building? I know there's been scaffolding and everything, but are they doing anything significant?

It's a 200 million dollar renovation to both make it more energy efficient, and bomb resistant.

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but does anybody know what is going in on the southwest corner of E. 83rd and Carnegie?  They are renovating that former dry cleaner building and doing a great job in my opinion.  Really looks sharp, especially in contrast to that "white thing" across the street which has been under construction for like three years now.  Key Tower went up faster.

What's going on with the Anthony Celebreze building? I know there's been scaffolding and everything, but are they doing anything significant?

 

If it's happening in Cleveland, chances are we've got a whole thread devoted to it. Sure enough, after doing a quick search, it's at:

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,25302.0.html

Tri-C wants to build a parking garage on Carnegie across from Progressive Field.

 

So Im guessing this is being built on the current surface lot?

^ Correct

According to this the North elevation will have a storefront??? I guess this is a step up from a surface lot!

 

This move is motivated by the innerbelt construction which is eating up part of the surface lot. If you look at the first rendering that brick retaining wall is part of the new roadway. This just continues the streetcape improvement to all four corners of that heavily traveled intersection. Now we just need to carry that momentum down Ontario all the way the PS. Thnx for finding that.

According to this the North elevation will have a storefront??? I guess this is a step up from a surface lot!

 

 

This garage looks really suburban, and does not measure up to the what should be surrounding the ballpark.

 

The impending bridge traffic only increases the need to transform the area into a "safe" place that's more walkable. There is a good amount of potential in that lot, that is I'm assuming it's the surface lot adjacent to the brick road bordering the historic cemetery. There is a lot of character; it deserves something special. That there is planned retail on one side of the proposed garage is not enough to redeem it.

 

The "Jake" has been plagued with some bad urban planning. All the parking garages have made the hood sterile and not very walkable. It's disappointing that the whole place is so auto-centric. It doesn't have to be that way.

According to this the North elevation will have a storefront??? I guess this is a step up from a surface lot!

 

 

This garage looks really suburban, and does not measure up to the what should be surrounding the ballpark.

 

The impending bridge traffic only increases the need to transform the area into a "safe" place that's more walkable. There is a good amount of potential in that lot, that is I'm assuming it's the surface lot adjacent to the brick road bordering the historic cemetery. There is a lot of character; it deserves something special. That there is planned retail on one side of the proposed garage is not enough to redeem it.

 

The "Jake" has been plagued with some bad urban planning. All the parking garages have made the hood sterile and not very walkable. It's disappointing that the whole place is so auto-centric. It doesn't have to be that way.

 

As noted above this is the lot at the intersection of Broadway and Carnegie. Not East 9th and Carnegie. You can tell by looking down the 'street' in the rendering to the left and see the Hilton Garden Inn in the distance.

"Tri-C wants to build a parking garage on Carnegie across from Progressive Field."

 

Sorry if I missed it, but where is Broadway mentioned?

 

 

edit> hey that is the hilton garden inn, damn mov2 you have good eyes! i stand corrected.

 

^It was in a Forumer's post.

 

As of right now there is a parking lot to the South of Progressive Field direrectly across Carnegie. It looks like they will be building this garage directly across Carneie on that lot hemmed in by Carnegie, Broadway and I-90.

According to this the North elevation will have a storefront??? I guess this is a step up from a surface lot!

 

 

It's not a storefront as in retail space, that's just what the glazing (window) system is called. Most likely stair towers.

If you're not impressed by this design, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise considering the other parking garage designed by this firm on Euclid, east of The Arcade.

^Are you talking about the 515 garage?  What's wrong with that garage?  I consider it one of the good ones in the city considering the retail fronting Euclid and somewhat interesting design.

Yeah I was going to say that 515 is pretty cool looking for a parking garage. 

Agreed. 515 is probably the best garage in the city. Especially since it was built with retail along Euclid and the capability to be used as a base of a tower.

Agreed. 515 is probably the best garage in the city. Especially since it was built with retail along Euclid and the capability to be used as a base of a tower.

 

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What's going on with the Anthony Celebreze building? I know there's been scaffolding and everything, but are they doing anything significant?

 

If it's happening in Cleveland, chances are we've got a whole thread devoted to it. Sure enough, after doing a quick search, it's at:

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,25302.0.html

 

Cool thanks.

 

On another note, I know that MRN purchased the Volk's Jewelry building on Prospect within the last year. Anybody hear any plans for that bldg? It would be nice to see more of prospect filled in, especially so near the casino and E 4th.

What's going on with the Anthony Celebreze building? I know there's been scaffolding and everything, but are they doing anything significant?

 

If it's happening in Cleveland, chances are we've got a whole thread devoted to it. Sure enough, after doing a quick search, it's at:

 

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,25302.0.html

 

Cool thanks.

 

On another note, I know that MRN purchased the Volk's Jewelry building on Prospect within the last year. Anybody hear any plans for that bldg? It would be nice to see more of prospect filled in, especially so near the casino and E 4th.

 

When something like that happens it will be posted.  There is virtually nothing development wise that doesn't get pass the folks here on UO.  I think that purchase was discussed in the East 4th street thread.

Agreed. 515 is probably the best garage in the city. Especially since it was built with retail along Euclid and the capability to be used as a base of a tower.

I think that's part of the overall poor thinking of a lot of cities in NE Ohio. "Hey, it's the best in this area". Why not one of the best in the country? The Cleveland culinary scene certainly hasn't settled for be in the area.

 

Santa Monica and Miami are blowing the competition away right now. A nice looking and multi-functional parking garage? Yes

http://inhabitat.com/first-leed-certified-parking-garage/

http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/14715/brooks-scarpa-santa-monica-parking-garages.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/24/us/24garage.html

http://www.dezeen.com/2011/12/21/miami-beach-parking-garage-by-zaha-hadid/

^I'll take 515 over either of those. The example from Santa Monica is a complete mess whether it's leed certified or not. The Zaha Hadid example in Miami Beach looks beautiful but doesn't interact with the street or have any retail component like 515.

^I'll take 515 over either of those. The example from Santa Monica is a complete mess whether it's leed certified or not. The Zaha Hadid example in Miami Beach looks beautiful but doesn't interact with the street or have any retail component like 515.

 

Same here. And that last one would be terrible to have in any downtown IMO.

 

The first one is just an attention whore garage attempting to steal the attention away from beautiful historical buildings surrounding by being covered with tacky lights :P

^I'll take 515 over either of those. The example from Santa Monica is a complete mess whether it's leed certified or not. The Zaha Hadid example in Miami Beach looks beautiful but doesn't interact with the street or have any retail component like 515.

 

Same here. And that last one would be terrible to have in any downtown IMO.

 

The first one is just an attention whore garage attempting to steal the attention away from beautiful historical buildings surrounding by being covered with tacky lights :P

 

Attention whore? Exactly - "Miami Beach’s parking garages have received world-wide media attention and have become tourist attractions themselves."

I'm not saying they are they are the most practical and an infill replacement for 515, but I don't think many out of towers go downtown looking for it either.

^I'll take 515 over either of those. The example from Santa Monica is a complete mess whether it's leed certified or not. The Zaha Hadid example in Miami Beach looks beautiful but doesn't interact with the street or have any retail component like 515.

 

Same here (plus your examples didnt even incorporate ground floor retail). And that last one would be terrible to have in any downtown IMO.

 

The first one is just an attention whore garage attempting to steal the attention away from beautiful historical buildings surrounding by being covered with tacky lights :P

 

Same here (your examples dont even have ground floor retail).  Since I dont live in Cleveland, I can say that I think 515 exceeds on most levels compared to garages I have seen in most cities, including where i live in DC.  I was actually disappointed that the proposed tower for above 515 didnt reflect the same architecture and instead seemed to follow a rather boring standard look.   

 

Im really not sure why we would have wanted something more grabbing than what is there, with all the nice architecture that surrounds it. 

 

Agreed. 515 is probably the best garage in the city. Especially since it was built with retail along Euclid and the capability to be used as a base of a tower.

I think that's part of the overall poor thinking of a lot of cities in NE Ohio. "Hey, it's the best in this area". Why not one of the best in the country? The Cleveland culinary scene certainly hasn't settled for be in the area.

 

Santa Monica and Miami are blowing the competition away right now. A nice looking and multi-functional parking garage? Yes

http://inhabitat.com/first-leed-certified-parking-garage/

http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/14715/brooks-scarpa-santa-monica-parking-garages.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/24/us/24garage.html

http://www.dezeen.com/2011/12/21/miami-beach-parking-garage-by-zaha-hadid/

 

Have you physically been to any of these?  If not, i'm not sure why you would mention them??  The MB space is cute, if you're not afraid of heights, loud nose or high winds.  It's an event space, with a floor of motor oil.

 

Those Santa Monica parking garages rendering are better looking than the final product.  Oh and the Pigeons love to nest in them.  How are these even related to the topic?

The MB space is cute, if you're not afraid of heights, loud nose or high winds. 

I'm afraid of loud noses.

The MB space is cute, if you're not afraid of heights, loud nose or high winds. 

I'm afraid of loud noses.

 

Well CDM loud ass wont be there, so you'll be some what OK.  LOL

Since we don't have a Gateway Development thread I'll just throw this pic of the small turbine/generator at Progressive Field in here...they light it up at night:)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjames0408/6950608996/#

Agreed. 515 is probably the best garage in the city. Especially since it was built with retail along Euclid and the capability to be used as a base of a tower.

I think that's part of the overall poor thinking of a lot of cities in NE Ohio. "Hey, it's the best in this area". Why not one of the best in the country? The Cleveland culinary scene certainly hasn't settled for be in the area.

 

Santa Monica and Miami are blowing the competition away right now. A nice looking and multi-functional parking garage? Yes

http://inhabitat.com/first-leed-certified-parking-garage/

http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/14715/brooks-scarpa-santa-monica-parking-garages.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/24/us/24garage.html

http://www.dezeen.com/2011/12/21/miami-beach-parking-garage-by-zaha-hadid/

 

Have you physically been to any of these?  If not, i'm not sure why you would mention them??  The MB space is cute, if you're not afraid of heights, loud nose or high winds.  It's an event space, with a floor of motor oil.

 

Those Santa Monica parking garages rendering are better looking than the final product.  Oh and the Pigeons love to nest in them.  How are these even related to the topic?

 

No, I haven't been to any, but I trust that the photographs are the real. I am simply talking about aesthetic.

 

I already explained how they are related earlier.

Agreed. 515 is probably the best garage in the city. Especially since it was built with retail along Euclid and the capability to be used as a base of a tower.

I think that's part of the overall poor thinking of a lot of cities in NE Ohio. "Hey, it's the best in this area". Why not one of the best in the country? The Cleveland culinary scene certainly hasn't settled for be in the area.

 

Santa Monica and Miami are blowing the competition away right now. A nice looking and multi-functional parking garage? Yes

http://inhabitat.com/first-leed-certified-parking-garage/

http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/9/view/14715/brooks-scarpa-santa-monica-parking-garages.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/24/us/24garage.html

http://www.dezeen.com/2011/12/21/miami-beach-parking-garage-by-zaha-hadid/

 

Have you physically been to any of these?  If not, i'm not sure why you would mention them??  The MB space is cute, if you're not afraid of heights, loud nose or high winds.  It's an event space, with a floor of motor oil.

 

Those Santa Monica parking garages rendering are better looking than the final product.  Oh and the Pigeons love to nest in them.  How are these even related to the topic?

 

No, I haven't been to any, but I trust that the photographs are the real. I am simply talking about aesthetic.

 

I already explained how they are related earlier.

 

Yet if you haven't seen them and only use "selected" photos , that doesn't give a true work at at street level so *you* cannot give a honest comparison.

Since we don't have a Gateway Development thread I'll just throw this pic of the small turbine/generator at Progressive Field in here...they light it up at night:)

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjames0408/6950608996/#

 

I'd say it should go in the Wind Development thread: http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,1615.390.html

That's what I thought too, but everything in that is tall so I wasn't sure:)

High performance building districts in Cleveland!

 

http://www.2030district.org/cleveland/

 

and you can attend our launch party:

 

http://cleveland2030district.eventbrite.com/

 

See attached flyer (updated)

 

Seattle's buildings look identical to each other  :? but I feel like this is a fantastic idea. I feel like the cities even though they are using green technology more than in the past, they really need to kick it into high gear to benefit the city and the people in the city. I feel this is especially true when I read that the next Great Depression can hit in 2030 if the world doesn't take investing in green technology seriously. My question is the second picture on the initial slideshow for the first link is a rendering of what could be there or is that existing?

What's cool about Cleveland's pop up complete and green street

Submitted by Marc Lefkowitz  |  Last edited April 23, 2012 - 4:15pm

Posted in: Arts & Culture Bikes

 

A complete and green street demonstration went live in Cleveland over the weekend. If you are downtown this week, stroll or bike over to Rockwell Avenue (behind the Main Cleveland Public Library) and check out the handiwork of Cleveland Urban Design Center students.

 

In all, this is the kind of creative spark Cleveland needs to see. It signals that streets are places of innovation; challenging what we assume is sacrosanct. The public right of way is not that hard to re-imagine as people friendly. With a few thousand dollars, a hard working crew given the permission (or not) can reshape the road even in the heart of Cleveland so that bikes, pedestrians and creative loafing (or ideation if you’d rather) belong.

 

In addition to the launch event last Saturday, organizers will host a complete and green streets training session with local planning and transportation officials that includes a site visit to Rockwell on Thursday. Also coming up this week: The Cleveland Critical Mass Ride will roll out from Rockwell.

 

http://www.gcbl.org/blog/marc-lefkowitz/whats-cool-about-clevelands-pop-complete-and-green-street