May 13, 20214 yr Author 3 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said: That Cleveland Clinic substation at Chester and 105 makes my eyes bleed. Ugh. That's definitely gotta go. But where? Nearby sites for relocating ugly uses are getting scarce. Might have to hide it somewhere. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 13, 20214 yr 41 minutes ago, KJP said: That's definitely gotta go. But where? Nearby sites for relocating ugly uses are getting scarce. Might have to hide it somewhere. Do they have buried substations? Seems like this could be a good candidate.
May 13, 20214 yr They typically aren't buried (very high cost) but they can be made more attractive or relocated (at a great expense) to a less visible corner. This one (https://goo.gl/maps/XjxQJ73aCn9V6hYn9) in Nashville is more attractive but it's also located in an area of downtown that's less dense and (until recently) more run-down. Considering this substation serves the Cleveland Clinic, it could be relocated to perhaps a space along the tracks. It's not as if there isn't a shortage of vacant land around.
May 13, 20214 yr Author 12 hours ago, seicer said: They typically aren't buried (very high cost) but they can be made more attractive or relocated (at a great expense) to a less visible corner. This one (https://goo.gl/maps/XjxQJ73aCn9V6hYn9) in Nashville is more attractive but it's also located in an area of downtown that's less dense and (until recently) more run-down. Considering this substation serves the Cleveland Clinic, it could be relocated to perhaps a space along the tracks. It's not as if there isn't a shortage of vacant land around. A spot near the railroad tracks would probably make sense, as long as it's not within 500-1000 feet of an RTA station so as not to compromise TOD opportunities. The junkyard at the southeast corner of Arthur and East 107th seems like it might be a good candidate (it is a 36,000 sf site vs 32,000 sf existing site) and would help supply a continuous flow of electricity to the new pathogens complex. 😜 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 13, 20214 yr I had assumed that substation was owned by a utility. If the Clinic owns it it would fall on them to pay for any relocation costs. I'm not sure they'll want to incur that cost even if it relocates an eyesore. Although if that part of Euclid is developed as planned then pressure will mount to move it. It's a small thing but something to watch for in the future.
May 13, 20214 yr Author 10 minutes ago, cadmen said: I had assumed that substation was owned by a utility. If the Clinic owns it it would fall on them to pay for any relocation costs. I'm not sure they'll want to incur that cost even if it relocates an eyesore. Although if that part of Euclid is developed as planned then pressure will mount to move it. It's a small thing but something to watch for in the future. Unless Cleveland Clinic needs additional electrical capacity, such as for the Cleveland Innovation District. In which case, public funds may be available for the relocation/expansion. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 13, 20214 yr And lest we forget, this one of multiple substations the Clinic maintains on the periphery of its campus. And looks like they just deconstructed one that was previously just south of the lower end Intercontinental facing Euclid. Edited May 13, 20214 yr by StapHanger
May 13, 20214 yr Author 27 minutes ago, StapHanger said: And lest we forget, this one of multiple substations the Clinic maintains on the periphery of its campus. And looks like they just deconstructed one that was previously just south of the lower end Intercontinental facing Euclid. Looks like that substation was replaced by a new one at Cedar/East 86th in 2015. I also count CCF substations at Chester/East 87th, Chester/East 105th and Cedar/East 105th. There is also a massive FirstEnergy substation at 10924 Cedar Ave. To keep this on topic, given the apparent geographic spread of CCF substations around the perimeter of their campus, relocating the Chester/105 substation nearby is probably the best bet. Demo the Ronald McDonald House, put the substation midway between Chester and Euclid on East 100th, and develop the balance of the 4-acre property. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 13, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Looks like that substation was replaced by a new one at Cedar/East 86th in 2015. I also count CCF substations at Chester/East 87th, Chester/East 105th and Cedar/East 105th. There is also a massive FirstEnergy substation at 10924 Cedar Ave. To keep this on topic, given the apparent geographic spread of CCF substations around the perimeter of their campus, relocating the Chester/105 substation nearby is probably the best bet. Demo the Ronald McDonald House, put the substation midway between Chester and Euclid on East 100th, and develop the balance of the 4-acre property. This particular substation at Chester and E105 is fairly new. So I would estimate the odds of it moving any time soon at near zero. Hopefully the location of the next substation will be better thought out.
May 13, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, Foraker said: This particular substation at Chester and E105 is fairly new. So I would estimate the odds of it moving any time soon at near zero. Hopefully the location of the next substation will be better thought out. I know nothing about substation construction costs, but I think that I remember hearing it cost either $7 or $9million dollars to build. People were not happy because they knew-as you mentioned-that it was not going anyway for a long time.
May 13, 20214 yr ^It's too bad there isn't an entire department in City Hall whose job it is to think these things through, especially in priority areas with substantial public investment and development potential.
May 13, 20214 yr Ugh, double post. I'm just so annoyed. You want to build a new house, sorry, 6 months of community meetings and review boards. New power substation along a major publicly funded road project in a high priority development area? Yeah, sure, no problem. Edited May 13, 20214 yr by StapHanger
May 19, 20214 yr I see that the MLK library and Library Lofts is FINALLY on the Euclid Design Review agenda for final approval this Thursday which means it will also be on the City Planning Commission agenda for final approval this Friday (agenda not up as of this posting). Hopefully this means a July groundbreaking as suggested by @KJP.
May 20, 20214 yr This view will look very different in 4 years for at least 3 reasons! Who's excited! 🙋♂️
May 20, 20214 yr Author It's crazy how many large structures are going to be under construction simultaneously within a few blocks of East 105th and Euclid a year from now. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 21, 20214 yr Here's a purtty new rendering. EDIT: I thought this was a refreshed view of the old rendering, but on comparing the two, it may actually just be a reused rendering. Edited May 21, 20214 yr by LlamaLawyer
May 21, 20214 yr Author Library Lofts and the MLK branch library both received final approval a few minutes ago. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 22, 20214 yr Library branch, loft apartments in Circle Square development get green light A Martin Luther King Jr. branch of the Cleveland Public Library and an apartment building that will top the library branch are planned for Circle Square. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2021/05/21/library-branch-apartments-in-circle-square-get-nod.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 22, 20214 yr Author I used the same main picture (so I'll put another photo here for UO)...... FRIDAY, MAY 21, 2021 Library Lofts, MLK Branch Library to amplify UC's boom With final approval secured today from the City Planning Commission, developers of the Library Lofts apartment building, 10541 Euclid Ave., and its ground-floor Martin Luther King Jr. Branch Library hope to start construction in August. The 11-story, 207-unit apartment building and Cleveland Public Library branch will be one of many large structures likely to be under construction at this time next year in University Circle. One of those is already underway -- the Artisan, a 24-story apartment tower at 10600 Chester Ave. that will be the tallest building in the nationally renowned cultural district. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/05/library-lofts-mlk-branch-library-to.html "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 22, 20214 yr Glad they are finally moving forward. The Library Plaza should turn out to be a great space, similar to the reading garden between the two sides buildings are the downtown branch. Also, when 1UC was finished, I couldn't honestly have imagined we would already be seeing an even taller building coming along so soon after.
May 22, 20214 yr 17 hours ago, ColDayMan said: Library branch, loft apartments in Circle Square development get green light A Martin Luther King Jr. branch of the Cleveland Public Library and an apartment building that will top the library branch are planned for Circle Square. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cleveland/news/2021/05/21/library-branch-apartments-in-circle-square-get-nod.html Love this design, finished product should look great! It’s exciting to think a year from now there’s likely to be at least a half dozen cranes in Cleveland, and that isn’t accounting for multiple cranes at the SHW site.
May 24, 20214 yr On 5/12/2021 at 5:22 PM, Boomerang_Brian said: That Cleveland Clinic substation at Chester and 105 makes my eyes bleed. Ugh. This might be a dumb question, but could something be built over it? I would say a parking garage with decorative paneling would be an improvement over what's there now.
May 24, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, scg80 said: This might be a dumb question, but could something be built over it? I would say a parking garage with decorative paneling would be an improvement over what's there now. no, its a good question -- fwiw i don't see those built over in ny, like with mta substations in the boros for example. it's probably not allowed, i dk. but they definitely build right up next to them. i would say you can build your way out of anything- ha!
June 14, 20214 yr Sorry for the bad stoplight pic, but proof that Artisan has gone vertical! View looking SE at intersection of E105. and Chester.
June 14, 20214 yr Author Saw that yesterday. I was surprised to see that they had a number of support columns rising above street level. They must've poured that floating slab foundation in record time. I guess they know how to build skyscrapers in Chicago. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20214 yr Either they DO know how to build skyscrapers in Chicago or the foundation is only 2 inches thick lol. At any rate it's going up super fast. Not used to that in these parts.
June 14, 20214 yr 29 minutes ago, cadmen said: Either they DO know how to build skyscrapers in Chicago or the foundation is only 2 inches thick lol. At any rate it's going up super fast. Not used to that in these parts. To my untrained eye it looked like they were putting in some giant underground concrete pylons. Someone more knowledgeable can correct me on if this may have been what they were actually doing or if that makes no sense.
June 14, 20214 yr It seems like Bedrock may quite near the surface along parts of the the Doan Brook Watershed, so perhaps bedrock is fairly close to the surface too at Euclid & MLK. https://doanbrookpartnership.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/DoanBrook-All-Pages.pdf (Screenshot of page view deleted to respect copyright of the publisher. Upon examining the copyright statement in the document this morning, I realize I hadn't sought permission from author Laura C. Gooch or the Doan Brook Partnership to post it. The page I grabbed is easy to view in the original report. Scroll to page 138.) Edited June 16, 20213 yr by ExPatClevGuy copyright / grammar
June 14, 20214 yr ^A good reason why much of the development in Cleveland’s future may be in and around University Circle. Edited June 14, 20214 yr by Oldmanladyluck
June 15, 20214 yr Author 3 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said: ^A good reason why much of the development in Cleveland’s future may be in and around University Circle. That and thousands of jobs plus many more housing units coming to that area! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 15, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said: To my untrained eye it looked like they were putting in some giant underground concrete pylons. Someone more knowledgeable can correct me on if this may have been what they were actually doing or if that makes no sense. That's pretty much correct. Building is using caissons for its foundation. Bedrock is in the 40ish feet deep range.
June 15, 20214 yr Author Risked my life trying to take this shot from the middle of Chester Avenue. Yes, I was on foot. Please don't question my dedication to getting the story! You can certainly question my sanity, however.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 23, 20213 yr The most beautiful view in the city will be getting better. I'm a bit surprised at how imposing that crane tower looks from Wade Lagoon.
June 27, 20213 yr That bank branch and parking lot will look a hell of alot better with a Two University Circle.
June 27, 20213 yr 5 minutes ago, PoshSteve said: That bank branch and parking lot will look a hell of alot better with a Two University Circle. Schneider should now focus his attention on a One University Center Phase 2 on that parking lot now that 121 Larchmere is wrapping up. Of course that is easy for me to say since it isn't my money. Still I am under the impression that Phase I has done pretty well. At least it seems there are not many units available when I cruise it's website.
June 27, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, Htsguy said: Schneider should now focus his attention on a One University Center Phase 2 on that parking lot now that 121 Larchmere is wrapping up. Of course that is easy for me to say since it isn't my money. Still I am under the impression that Phase I has done pretty well. At least it seems there are not many units available when I cruise it's website. Is there some sort of plan for this? I hadn’t heard of it.
June 28, 20213 yr 22 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: Is there some sort of plan for this? I hadn’t heard of it. I believe a Phase 2 on the parking lot has been suggested in the past but very cautiously.
June 28, 20213 yr Author 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: I believe a Phase 2 on the parking lot has been suggested in the past but very cautiously. Pretty specifically suggested, @LlamaLawyer See below..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 28, 20213 yr Author Construction crane rising up above the site of White Oak Realty's 24-story Artisan apartments tower? Or a War Of The Worlds Martian tripod? You decide! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 29, 20213 yr *mom looks at dad* *dad sweats* *mom ... "don't..."* *dad: "you actually have to ..."* *mom worried looks* *dad: "...crane your neck to see it all!"* 🤣
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