June 6, 20223 yr On 6/4/2022 at 4:18 PM, lockdog said: I need some clarity - some posters on this thread are calling this building " Artisan. " I always that this building was " Circle Square " with the Artisan being a future development on this complex along with Library Lofts.
June 6, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, simplythis said: I need some clarity - some posters on this thread are calling this building " Artisan. " I always that this building was " Circle Square " with the Artisan being a future development on this complex along with Library Lofts. This building is Artisan. It's a part of the Circle Square development which has multiple phases.
June 6, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said: This building is Artisan. It's a part of the Circle Square development which has multiple phases. Thanks
June 12, 20223 yr Author Looks one more floor to go on The Artisan. But I think they should keep rising. 😁 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 14, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, mrnyc said: what's going up in the last picture? is that the library lofts?? Yes. I drove by that site last week and was surprised to see it poking up out of the ground already. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 12, 20222 yr Artisan is just a classy looking building, and from every angle. It's even better than 1UC, which I also like. Really a godsend for the University Circle skyline, which had been dominated by terrible Cleveland Clinic architecture, mainly the W.O. Walker building (ugh!), but also pretty much anything they built pre-Glickman and pre-Miller. Not a huge fan of Fenway Manor, either, but the more residential high rises we get in this neighborhood elbowing out the institutional crap, the better. Rez developers are all but forced to attract the eye of passerby--potential residents!--and 1UC and the Artisan have both succeeded in this regard. Looking forward to much, much more!
July 13, 20222 yr ^Sadly, the angle I care about most is from the sidewalk, and Artisan looks like a big ugly parking garage from that perspective. The residential development in UC is good, better than if it were in, like Beachwood or whatever, but these pics are also kind of depressing. We're not really building any kind of "second downtown" here. Bleak streetscapes. Literally zero pedestrians outside of the couple lonely souls in the (mostly deserted) lagoon. Not sure the incremental bump in population is going to change much in that regard.
July 13, 20222 yr 20 minutes ago, StapHanger said: ^Sadly, the angle I care about most is from the sidewalk, and Artisan looks like a big ugly parking garage from that perspective. The residential development in UC is good, better than if it were in, like Beachwood or whatever, but these pics are also kind of depressing. We're not really building any kind of "second downtown" here. Bleak streetscapes. Literally zero pedestrians outside of the couple lonely souls in the (mostly deserted) lagoon. Not sure the incremental bump in population is going to change much in that regard. I don't think it's that grim. The first floor is going to be retail, and that will be the main thing seen from the perspective of the sidewalk, which won't be some grim once it's not a construction site.
July 13, 20222 yr 43 minutes ago, StapHanger said: ^Sadly, the angle I care about most is from the sidewalk, and Artisan looks like a big ugly parking garage from that perspective. The residential development in UC is good, better than if it were in, like Beachwood or whatever, but these pics are also kind of depressing. We're not really building any kind of "second downtown" here. Bleak streetscapes. Literally zero pedestrians outside of the couple lonely souls in the (mostly deserted) lagoon. Not sure the incremental bump in population is going to change much in that regard. When all phases are completed including the building where the current library is located (I believe the plan is a hotel but that of course could change in the next 2-3 years) and the two buildings planned for across Stokes, all first floors are to have retail creating a mini retail corridor. The block of Euclid between East 105 and Stokes should be activated, as least compared to previously when the site was an out of place auto repair business, with people going to and from the library. My hope is that other developers will extend the retail corridor across Chester to that empty lot across the oil can church on the approach to the Nord Greenway as well as across Euclid on Stokes next to One University Center.
July 13, 20222 yr Yeah, I don't mean to sound over-dramatic with my pessimism. I honestly hope to be impressed by an eventual full build out of the entire Circle Square site. I will be super curious to see how the retail shakes out. Just wish the city had more guts taking advantage of its very robust roadway grid capacity here to seriously improve the experience for bikers/pedestrians to better connect everything. Construction site aside, the pedestrian experience in that area is miserable due to the proximity to fast moving traffic, lack of on-street parking and, in many places, narrow sidewalks, and the narrowing of that one block of Stokes is only going to help so much.
July 13, 20222 yr 1 minute ago, StapHanger said: Yeah, I don't mean to sound over-dramatic with my pessimism. I honestly hope to be impressed by an eventual full build out of the entire Circle Square site. I will be super curious to see how the retail shakes out. Just wish the city had more guts taking advantage of its very robust roadway grid capacity here to seriously improve the experience for bikers/pedestrians to better connect everything. Construction site aside, the pedestrian experience in that area is miserable due to the proximity to fast moving traffic, lack of on-street parking and, in many places, narrow sidewalks, and the narrowing of that one block of Stokes is only going to help so much. Extensive road improvements/quieting/narrowing are part of the development and have been an important part the developers' presentations to various city commissions and city council committees. This along with an impressive street scape plan developed by a top notch team. Unfortunately, and to your point, I am not aware of any plans to extend this vision further out from this development. Slowing things down at this point might discourage commuters from the Heights and they might seek other routes, but the rebuilding of East 105 into a semi super highway doesn't help the pedestrian experience in the general area. Indeed it almost seems to cut off the eastern part of UC from the Clinic and the new developments along Chester and its side streets.
July 13, 20222 yr I think StapHanger is on to something. But it's not about the Artisan (or Circle Square) as much as it's about Cleveland in general, which is our lack of foot traffic. In that regard we often look more like a sunburnt sunbelt city than a legacy east coast city. Whenever you see glossy photos of those new cities the one thing you notice is a lack of street life while the old legacy cities are usually crowded with people walking. And isn't that what we're striving for here? Oh there are sections where we somehow manage to pull it off. I always notice that when I attend a concert at Severance or just drive on that section of Euclid there are quite a lot of people walking. But go just a few blocks west (Clinic stretch) and it's pretty quite. What changed? The mix? I think the absolute number of people in both areas is comparable but the difference is there are multiple institutions in one area (UH, Case, Severance) while the Clinic dominates the other. I don't mean to oversimplify but one group are seen as generally more welcoming while the other is known for more of a fortress mentality. That may be a little harsh but I think there's something to it. Another thing is (and here my bias is clearly showing) but that lively section of Euclid has something else that the quiet section lacks. Mature trees and lots of them. And who likes walking down a street under mature trees? Uh...pretty much everyone. Mature trees and streetscaping in general promote walking. A windswept and barren sidewalk does not. maybe it's as simple as that. Build (no, grow it) and people will come.
July 13, 20222 yr 11 minutes ago, cadmen said: I think StapHanger is on to something. But it's not about the Artisan (or Circle Square) as much as it's about Cleveland in general, which is our lack of foot traffic. In that regard we often look more like a sunburnt sunbelt city than a legacy east coast city. Whenever you see glossy photos of those new cities the one thing you notice is a lack of street life while the old legacy cities are usually crowded with people walking. And isn't that what we're striving for here? Oh there are sections where we somehow manage to pull it off. I always notice that when I attend a concert at Severance or just drive on that section of Euclid there are quite a lot of people walking. But go just a few blocks west (Clinic stretch) and it's pretty quite. What changed? The mix? I think the absolute number of people in both areas is comparable but the difference is there are multiple institutions in one area (UH, Case, Severance) while the Clinic dominates the other. I don't mean to oversimplify but one group are seen as generally more welcoming while the other is known for more of a fortress mentality. That may be a little harsh but I think there's something to it. Another thing is (and here my bias is clearly showing) but that lively section of Euclid has something else that the quiet section lacks. Mature trees and lots of them. And who likes walking down a street under mature trees? Uh...pretty much everyone. Mature trees and streetscaping in general promote walking. A windswept and barren sidewalk does not. maybe it's as simple as that. Build (no, grow it) and people will come. The solution is so simple, but we don’t do it. 🌳🌳🌳🌳🌳🌳🌳
July 13, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Htsguy said: Slowing things down at this point might discourage commuters from the Heights and they might seek other routes, but the rebuilding of East 105 into a semi super highway doesn't help the pedestrian experience in the general area. Opportunity Corridor has entered the chat.
July 13, 20222 yr 15 minutes ago, GISguy said: Opportunity Corridor has entered the chat. Can we just call it I-490 extension already?
July 13, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, cadmen said: I think StapHanger is on to something. But it's not about the Artisan (or Circle Square) as much as it's about Cleveland in general, which is our lack of foot traffic. In that regard we often look more like a sunburnt sunbelt city than a legacy east coast city. Whenever you see glossy photos of those new cities the one thing you notice is a lack of street life while the old legacy cities are usually crowded with people walking. And isn't that what we're striving for here? Oh there are sections where we somehow manage to pull it off. I always notice that when I attend a concert at Severance or just drive on that section of Euclid there are quite a lot of people walking. But go just a few blocks west (Clinic stretch) and it's pretty quite. What changed? The mix? I think the absolute number of people in both areas is comparable but the difference is there are multiple institutions in one area (UH, Case, Severance) while the Clinic dominates the other. I don't mean to oversimplify but one group are seen as generally more welcoming while the other is known for more of a fortress mentality. That may be a little harsh but I think there's something to it. Another thing is (and here my bias is clearly showing) but that lively section of Euclid has something else that the quiet section lacks. Mature trees and lots of them. And who likes walking down a street under mature trees? Uh...pretty much everyone. Mature trees and streetscaping in general promote walking. A windswept and barren sidewalk does not. maybe it's as simple as that. Build (no, grow it) and people will come. I usually see lots of pedestrians around the Clinic around the Heart Pavilion and even around E 105th and Carnegie. Ofher areas not so much.
July 13, 20222 yr Paywalled article but you can see the pics: August 23, 2021 02:59 PM Circle Square developers say dramatic street overhaul will cost $8.9 million MICHELLE JARBOE https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/circle-square-developers-say-dramatic-street-overhaul-will-cost-89-million
July 13, 20222 yr They should send these over to sherwin williams. They seem to have difficulty being creative on their own
July 13, 20222 yr it seems our hero jarboe was reading strap’s mind. 😅 Edited July 13, 20222 yr by mrnyc
July 13, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, surfohio said: Paywalled article but you can see the pics: August 23, 2021 02:59 PM Circle Square developers say dramatic street overhaul will cost $8.9 million MICHELLE JARBOE https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/circle-square-developers-say-dramatic-street-overhaul-will-cost-89-million Thanks for posting that. This is, in fact, better than the initial plans for the road configuration that were proposed in 2020 which I had in mind still. That plan showed three southbound travel lanes and no curb bump-outs. I worry it will be a bit of an island, so not sure how much pedestrian activity it will really generate, but it's something. Certainly a big improvement for those who do end up here on foot.
July 13, 20222 yr 8 hours ago, StapHanger said: Literally zero pedestrians outside of the couple lonely souls in the (mostly deserted) lagoon. 7 hours ago, urb-a-saurus said: These were taken at what time? Ya FWIW these photos were taken on Sunday evening, in July (no students). Just about the most empty hours of daylight in the entire week is when I was biking around the circle. Also I intentionally take most of my photos with as few pedestrians in them as possible/delete ones with people in them. So in part because of this the streetscape can look considerably more desolate then it normally would. There was actually a decent amount of people enjoying their evening walking around the Circle, particularly the Lagoon. Much of the Circle is still an employment center/destination place though so the area will still feel more empty on the weekends/evenings, particularly with ~10,000 less students. That "on/off" dynamic is changing quickly though. In the past ~10 or so years, the transformation the greater UC area has undergone is staggering. It's momentum also doesn't seem to be slowing. If the changes of the past ~10 years are matched over the next decade, the Circle will become a much more inviting and livable neighborhood. I write this out in part just to remind myself how much they area has changed in my time living here. Just think of the dead zone much of Euclid was before Uptown. Circle Square should be even more transformative as it fills in one of the most underutilized spaces in the city, taking down dangerous roadway infrastructure with it.
July 27, 20222 yr Author 1 hour ago, OldEnough said: Seems LL will require a crane of its own? Almost certainly "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 28, 20222 yr Author Isn't The Artisan's crane's base a little too far from Library Lofts? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 11, 20222 yr Aaaaand here are the Library Lofts cranes, in the right half of the pic. Not tower cranes, obviously, and I’m not sure what their technical name is in the construction industry, but a nice (temporary) add to the UC skyline. (FWIW, the two cranes here have a twin (triplet) up at the future neighborhood Meijer’s/apartment building at Cedar and 105th. A neighborhood of cranes!) Edited August 11, 20222 yr by Down_with_Ctown
August 12, 20222 yr Drove east on I-90 past downtown and through UC this evening on the way home. Downtown looks spectacular at sunset, but I was only able to get a photo of Artisan safely haha: love how you can see this tower from almost anywhere in UC Edited August 12, 20222 yr by Geowizical
August 16, 20222 yr To me the best thing (well, besides the glass and the height and the prominent siting) are the balconies. And these balconies are located on the weather (north) side of the building. If they can be used when facing the wind, rain and snow they certainly can be used elsewhere in Cleveland. I don't know if there was a particular reason for the lack of balconies in the past (the excuse we always heard was the tough climate) but now that a few builders have added them lately I don't want to hear anymore crap about WHY we can't have them. That old saw about why we don't have balconies in Cleveland reminds of the bad ol' days (pre 1980's) when we were told we couldn't have outdoor dining either. Sometimes you have to overcome inertia and just do it.
August 22, 20222 yr Great pics. Really sharp building. Let's add a few of these to the Warehouse District.
August 28, 20222 yr University Circle is taking on an increasingly sophisticated urban look - and having a home at The Artisan sure looks like it would be a cool place to be.
September 10, 20222 yr More photos of the Artisan in the University Circle “Skyline” (9/9/22) Looked like there was more paneling over the parking garage, though I didn’t manage to grab a photo.
September 18, 20222 yr Author The leaning tower of UC! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
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