May 11, 20187 yr I am underwhelmed by all of the design concepts. I also wish the design process entailed what the surrounding architectural elements will be. Th two should be designed to compliment one another.
May 11, 20187 yr The Bialosky rendering makes it look like Charlotte's Web, which was always a good read. I think that's a good look on a library. I'm mostly in love with Mass' rendering, as it's colorful and celebrates culture right as you walk up to it. I'm not a fan of white/bland architecture, as white is kind of hard to maintain and keep in decent shape.
May 11, 20187 yr I was initially taken by the colorful appeal of the Mass & LDA proposal; but, upon consideration, I think it would look garish and dated in not very many years. Maybe a tamer version ... Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
May 12, 20187 yr ^I'm torn because it is unique and intriguing, but screams "instantly dated!" at the same time.
May 12, 20187 yr i wonder why there are only three proposals? of the three i would choose the mass plan. its colorful, thoughtful and modern. the bialosky plan is most disappointing, as is typical with that firm. the other one from some brooklyn startup is also underwhelming.
May 12, 20187 yr ^they whittled the initial submissions down to three for the competition and each group was given a stipend (I believe funded by the Cleveland Foundation) to come up with a proposal.
May 15, 20187 yr The Mass plan looks very 1960s but that may be intentional. Not clear why they're so against the mixed use concept. Litt calls that a "hybrid" as if we're splicing alien genes.
May 15, 20187 yr The Mass plan looks very 1960s but that may be intentional. Not clear why they're so against the mixed use concept. Litt calls that a "hybrid" as if we're splicing alien genes. Bronze is very much back in style.
May 15, 20187 yr The Mass plan looks very 1960s but that may be intentional. Not clear why they're so against the mixed use concept. Litt calls that a "hybrid" as if we're splicing alien genes. Bronze is very much back in style. I'm with Litt. The Mass plan does look dated, but in a good way imho.
May 22, 20187 yr Author Renovations underway to Fenway Apartments on Euclid Avenue at Stokes Boulevard in University Circle. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 3, 20186 yr Author 13 hours ago, Dougal said: Bullard's puff piece about Centric Apartments buries the lede in the final two paragraphs - Steve Rubin of Midwest Development Partners says Centric was a just gap filler while they waited for the ramp-up of seven-building Circle City Center at Stokes and Chester. https://www.crainscleveland.com/stan-bullard-blog/centric-adds-university-circle-residential-options One could argue this project is already under way, as Orlean Co. is a partner with Midwest and Orlean is undertaking a $40 million renovation of Fenway Manor apartments. The new MLK Library, which will be the ground floor of the first new apartment building in Circle Square (formerly UC3), is finalizing its funding package. Last I'd heard, the library and Midwest want to move forward with construction in summer 2019. Edited December 4, 20186 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 3, 20186 yr Author 55 minutes ago, Cleveland said: Hi Tall of a building will the library building be? Probably only a single story, but with a high ceiling like what was shown in a recent rendering (below). Final design for the apartment building above isn't yet known, but could be about 8-10 stories. I would like to see it taller but it's not my money/risk. ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 3, 20186 yr ^The library is only a couple of stories. It will be topped by an apartment building which is still in the design phase (the library and apartment architects are suppose to be coordinating with each other.) KJP beat me to it. Heard a little ping while I was typing my post and I just knew it had to be him. Edited December 3, 20186 yr by Htsguy
December 4, 20186 yr Author Why? I don't post very often... ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 5, 20186 yr So it looks like the relocated library (with a Euclid front door) topped by the apartment building is going to be Phase One of this project. The old library building cannot be demolished and built on until the new library is completed (I would imagine that is two or three years down the road even if they start in 2019) and I would guess that the old police site is going to be tackled in conjunction with the old library site since they abut one another. My question is why can't they just get the ball rolling now and have Phase I be the parking lot north of Chester next to Judson? I really want this project jump started. Also, any news regarding the proposed condo building between Judson and Park Lane Villa along the new greenway?
April 28, 20196 yr It looks like we could be seeing design concepts for the apartment tower at next design review. Library Lofts Seeking Conceptual Approval North side of Euclid between E 105 & E 107 University Circle District Paul Volpe, Master Plan Consultant David Craun, Bialosky Cleveland
April 28, 20196 yr Finally. I keep wondering when this was going to jump start. This is another one of those transformative developments. It has the potential to help connect the Clinic to the rest of University Circle (too bad they just turned E 105th into a freeway-that doesn't help). Edited April 28, 20196 yr by Htsguy
April 28, 20196 yr Author 1 hour ago, freethink said: It looks like we could be seeing design concepts for the apartment tower at next design review. Library Lofts Seeking Conceptual Approval North side of Euclid between E 105 & E 107 University Circle District Paul Volpe, Master Plan Consultant David Craun, Bialosky Cleveland I don't know if I would call it a "tower." I've heard it will be about 7-8 stories. I'll definitely take it. But it doesn't sound like it will be a 10+ story building. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 28, 20196 yr Well Bialosky has a massing as part of their library proposal which looks to be about 14 storey tall. But that was a while back so I guess we will see soon. http://www.bialosky.com/work/cleveland-public-librarymartin-luther-king-jr-branch/
April 28, 20196 yr Author So it will be about 10-12 stories tall @CbusTransit? Maybe the ubiquitous "Cleveland 11" (ie: the max height of many buildings without a variance)? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 29, 20196 yr 12 hours ago, CbusTransit said: I got a peak of the design and it looked to be a little shorter than that So the "peak" of the design you "peeked" at is not 14 floors? Bummer.
April 29, 20196 yr Peak. Peek. Eek. yea it looked just a tad shorter. I saw it in passing. Guesstimate 10-11 edit: not sure where it was in the design phase at that point Edited April 29, 20196 yr by CbusTransit
May 4, 20196 yr Early Plan For Library Lofts By Steven Litt, The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio – Initial plans for an apartment building to be built atop a future library along Euclid Avenue in University Circle quickly won approval Thursday from the city’s Euclid Corridor Design Review Committee. The apartment project, called Library Lofts, takes its inspiration – naturally enough – from bookshelves.
May 4, 20196 yr I like they decided to push the apartment floors to the sidewalk instead of setting them back to show the library. Feels more substantial that way. The design is inoffensive, no wonder it was approved. Edited May 4, 20196 yr by Mendo
May 4, 20196 yr Because modern architecture eschews any sort of decoration, and modern development demands big structures. If you make a large, undecorated building it becomes monolithic and imposing. So in order to break up the bulkiness of the building some and try to give it some originality, we get weird shaped windows or pointless bump outs.
May 5, 20196 yr I like it. I think its a great look having it resemble a bookshelf. The only thing that bothers me about the plans is the parking lot between it and Fenway Manor. I'm guessing that is the lot for Fenway though, and hopefully once all of the garages in the other parcels are built, it will be replaced.
May 5, 20196 yr Author One image shows a parking lot. Another image shows a landscaped plaza. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 25, 20196 yr How many places in the world could you stand on your patio and see buildings designed by Frank Gehry, Farshid Moussavi, Rafael Viñoly, Norman Foster, César Pelli, two by Marcel Breuer, and (if you have good binoculars) I.M. Pei, all while overlooking a park by Frederick Law Olmsted? A patio on an apartment (condo?) tower at East 107th and Chester. This location is a starchitect fanboy's dream. I really hope the design enables residents, particularly on the north end of this development, to fully enjoy the views of all these fine buildings. This is a special place. Pictures: Peter B. Lewis building of the Weatherhead School of Management at CWRU by Frank Gehry. The green spire of the Epworth Euclid church in the upper left is roughly where UC3 will be. Museum of Contemporary Art Cleveland by Farshid Moussavi - the black cube building on the right. (For the record, the Seidman cancer center at UH blocks this view from One University Circle.) Another cameo by the Gehry building on the left. The Cleveland Museum of Art, featuring a 2013 expansion by Rafael Viñoly and a 1971 expansion by Marcel Breuer. In front of that is the Fine Arts Garden around Wade Lagoon, designed by Frederick Law Olmsted. The 2019 CWRU-Cleveland Clinic Health Education Campus by Lord Norman Foster. The other Breuer building in view - the Ameritrust Tower downtown (now known as The 9 Cleveland). The Key Tower downtown by César Pelli. (See the first picture above for a rough idea of how big the downtown buildings look from this distance.) And I suppose you would need binoculars and a really good angle, but you might catch a view of I.M. Pei's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. (OK, I suppose that's a bit of a stretch.) A map view, for reference. The Foster building isn't showing up on Google maps yet so I used my excellent MS Paint skills to add it in. Edited May 25, 20196 yr by Boomerang_Brian Add Foster building and updated map. Thx JohnSummit When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
May 25, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, bumsquare said: I.M. Pei designed Erieview. That’s what I thought too when I started working on this post. It turns out that while Pei did the master plan for the Erieview urban renewal, the tower itself was designed by Harrison & Abramovitz. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erieview_Tower When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
May 25, 20196 yr Isn't Norman Foster's Cleveland Clinic Health Education building visible from there also?
May 25, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSummit said: Isn't Norman Foster's Cleveland Clinic Health Education building visible from there also? Yes! Dang it. Sorry, I was tired when I finished this up. I already had the pictures and everything. I’ll edit and add that. Thank you! When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
May 25, 20196 yr Author This discussion isn't really about UC3. It's about University Circle architecture. So I created a thread in the architectural section here….. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 25, 20196 yr 40 minutes ago, KJP said: This discussion isn't really about UC3. It's about University Circle architecture. So I created a thread in the architectural section here….. It has diverged a bit, but my original point was that UC3 should be designed to embrace the views that it could feature. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
May 25, 20196 yr 14 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said: How many places in the world could you stand on your patio and see buildings designed by Frank Gehry, Farshid Moussavi, Rafael Viñoly, Norman Foster, César Pelli, two by Marcel Breuer, and (if you have good binoculars) I.M. Pei, all while overlooking a park by Frederick Law Olmsted? A patio on an apartment (condo?) tower at East 107th and Chester. This location is a starchitect fanboy's dream. I really hope the design enables residents, particularly on the north end of this development, to fully enjoy the views of all these fine buildings. This is a special place. Pictures: Peter B. Lewis building of the Weatherhead School of Management at CWRU by Frank Gehry. The green spire of the Epworth Euclid church in the upper left is roughly where UC3 will be. Museum of Contemporary Art Cleveland by Farshid Moussavi - the black cube building on the right. (For the record, the Seidman cancer center at UH blocks this view from One University Circle.) Another cameo by the Gehry building on the left. The Cleveland Museum of Art, featuring a 2013 expansion by Rafael Viñoly and a 1971 expansion by Marcel Breuer. In front of that is the Fine Arts Garden around Wade Lagoon, designed by Frederick Law Olmsted. The 2019 CWRU-Cleveland Clinic Health Education Campus by Lord Norman Foster. The other Breuer building in view - the Ameritrust Tower downtown (now known as The 9 Cleveland). The Key Tower downtown by César Pelli. (See the first picture above for a rough idea of how big the downtown buildings look from this distance.) And I suppose you would need binoculars and a really good angle, but you might catch a view of I.M. Pei's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. (OK, I suppose that's a bit of a stretch.) A map view, for reference. The Foster building isn't showing up on Google maps yet so I used my excellent MS Paint skills to add it in. Also the Crile building of the clinic is another Pelli: https://www.bluffton.edu/homepages/facstaff/sullivanm/ohio/cleveland/crile/pelli.html
May 25, 20196 yr 35 minutes ago, shack said: Also the Crile building of the clinic is another Pelli: https://www.bluffton.edu/homepages/facstaff/sullivanm/ohio/cleveland/crile/pelli.html Thank you - I did not know that. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
August 2, 20195 yr Author I'm hearing Midwest is tapped into some capital and is ready to move forward on more than just the 11-story Library Lofts building. This demolition of the old Third District Police Station is indicative of that.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3282&CASE=EC 2019-041 Euclid Corridor Design Review Case Report 10601 CHESTER AVE. DEMOLITION Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Euclid Corridor Case # EC 2019-041 Address:10601 Chester Ave. Company:Midwest Development Partners Architect:Neff & Associates "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 20195 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: I'm hearing Midwest is tapped into some capital and is ready to move forward on more than just the 11-story Library Lofts building. This demolition of the old Third District Police Station is indicative of that.... http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3282&CASE=EC 2019-041 Euclid Corridor Design Review Case Report 10601 CHESTER AVE. DEMOLITION Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Euclid Corridor Case # EC 2019-041 Address:10601 Chester Ave. Company:Midwest Development Partners Architect:Neff & Associates Library Lofts really seems to be dragging. At the initial appearance before design review Paul Volpe reflected they would be back in June for further approvals and I don't believe that happen. By the way...has the library portion of the development even been through design review or is it combined with the apartment building for this purpose? It has been 14th months since the library architect was picked.
August 2, 20195 yr Author The city library portion has been dragging so the lofts building is moving forward and leaving the hole open on the ground floor for the future library. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 20195 yr 13 minutes ago, KJP said: The city library portion has been dragging so the lofts building is moving forward and leaving the hole open on the ground floor for the future library. KJP I don't understand. Are you saying they are leaving a hole open on the ground floor in connection with the design review process or that they are going to go ahead and build the apartments with a shell for the library below which will be finished at a later date? 13 minutes ago, KJP said: 13 minutes ago, KJP said:
August 2, 20195 yr Author 57 minutes ago, Htsguy said: KJP I don't understand. Are you saying they are leaving a hole open on the ground floor in connection with the design review process or that they are going to go ahead and build the apartments with a shell for the library below which will be finished at a later date? Both statements are correct, I believe. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 2, 20195 yr 1 minute ago, KJP said: Both statements are correct, I believe. Wow. Come on team let's just get it together and get things moving
August 27, 20195 yr I heard a quick segment on local NPR yesterday that the new MLK library building will be breaking ground in the spring. I don't know, as suggested above by KJP, if the apartment building above (Library Lofts) will go forward ahead of that with a hole for the library left below, but since it is so close my gut is that everything will just wait until spring. Maybe in the meantime they can start doing site prep for other parts of the project like demolition of the old police station.
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