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They are salivating for basketball next. Kings maybe?

 

 

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6 hours ago, TBideon said:

Knights, Raiders and now the A's. 

 

They are salivating for basketball next. Kings maybe?

 

 

 

I think they'd get an expansion team in the NBA.  Las Vegas and Seattle are leading candidates for the next expansion.  The Kings just got a new arena and their fan support is through the roof right now.

 

I feel bad for the city of Oakland, losing the Raiders, Warriors, and A's in quick succession.

40 minutes ago, acd said:

 

I think they'd get an expansion team in the NBA.  Las Vegas and Seattle are leading candidates for the next expansion.  The Kings just got a new arena and their fan support is through the roof right now.

 

I feel bad for the city of Oakland, losing the Raiders, Warriors, and A's in quick succession.

Still think it'll be silly of the NBA to add two additional teams to the West. They're already saturated. I'd look for the Kings and/or Trailblazers to leave within 10-15 years of Las Vegas and Seattle getting teams.

 

As for MLB, one of two bad situations are sorted. Now we wait for Tampa. Do they get a new stadium in the Bay area (haha) or do they move to Montreal? Once they are sorted MLB is adding two teams as well. Nashville seems to be a favorite. Then I'd say Raleigh would be best, but Charlotte seems to be ahead. I see almost no way North Carolina doesn't get a team. Almost 11 million people, plus southern Virginia and South Carolina have no teams between Atlanta and DC. That's crazy to me.

 

But it takes someone with money. If neither NC city has someone with the ability to field a franchise it'll go elsewhere. Perhaps San Antonio? Salt Lake City recently threw their hat in the ring, but as with the NBA the West is already saturated. Don't see that working out long term.

1 hour ago, aderwent said:

Still think it'll be silly of the NBA to add two additional teams to the West. They're already saturated. I'd look for the Kings and/or Trailblazers to leave within 10-15 years of Las Vegas and Seattle getting teams.

 

As for MLB, one of two bad situations are sorted. Now we wait for Tampa. Do they get a new stadium in the Bay area (haha) or do they move to Montreal? Once they are sorted MLB is adding two teams as well. Nashville seems to be a favorite. Then I'd say Raleigh would be best, but Charlotte seems to be ahead. I see almost no way North Carolina doesn't get a team. Almost 11 million people, plus southern Virginia and South Carolina have no teams between Atlanta and DC. That's crazy to me.

 

But it takes someone with money. If neither NC city has someone with the ability to field a franchise it'll go elsewhere. Perhaps San Antonio? Salt Lake City recently threw their hat in the ring, but as with the NBA the West is already saturated. Don't see that working out long term.

 

What do you mean the West is saturated?  Cities like Minneapolis, New Orleans, and Memphis are in the West.  Seattle is the largest unrepresented metro and never should have lost their team, and Las Vegas is a top-30 market and growing rapidly.  Sacramento and Portland both have strong fan bases, no other pro teams to compete with, and top-30 markets, so I'm not sure why they'd leave.

 

Agree that Nashville and Charlotte have to be good bets for MLB expansion.  The Southeast does seem very underrepresented in the league.

2 hours ago, aderwent said:

Still think it'll be silly of the NBA to add two additional teams to the West. They're already saturated. I'd look for the Kings and/or Trailblazers to leave within 10-15 years of Las Vegas and Seattle getting teams.

 

As for MLB, one of two bad situations are sorted. Now we wait for Tampa. Do they get a new stadium in the Bay area (haha) or do they move to Montreal? Once they are sorted MLB is adding two teams as well. Nashville seems to be a favorite. Then I'd say Raleigh would be best, but Charlotte seems to be ahead. I see almost no way North Carolina doesn't get a team. Almost 11 million people, plus southern Virginia and South Carolina have no teams between Atlanta and DC. That's crazy to me.

 

But it takes someone with money. If neither NC city has someone with the ability to field a franchise it'll go elsewhere. Perhaps San Antonio? Salt Lake City recently threw their hat in the ring, but as with the NBA the West is already saturated. Don't see that working out long term.

I hope that they do not expand in Nashville. That has traditionally been a Reds market and would be best not to create more competition there. If they are going to go East, I would prefer a team in Montreal (again) and then go to Charlotte over Nashville. Nashville may not be in position when the time comes if the city is spending all the money on the new football stadium anyway.

 

Also, I would love to see a team in Vancouver or even Salt Lake would be a decent opportunity. Balance out the Rocky Mtn states and West Coast. 

Montreal has got to be a front runner too. Hell, they were supposed to host half the Ray's games before COVID.  It's interesting how that would have played out.

 

Teams moving is always a bummer - f-k A's ownership- but Tampa and Miami fans just don't appreciate baseball, and I doubt there would be outcry. 

 

Is Nashville a baseball town? I could see Charlotte, Omaha or even Indianapolis campaigning for a team.

8 minutes ago, TBideon said:

Teams moving is always a bummer - f-k A's ownership- but Tampa and Miami fans just don't appreciate baseball, and I doubt there would be outcry. 

I think this was a 20 years in the making. I do not necessarily blame A's leadership because they let the team wither, but the A's were a small market team for a long time. If anything it was the Giants that led to the demise of the A's. Back in the 90s the Giants claimed rights to the San Jose and all of Silicon Valley as their media market and it prevented the A's from being able to find other suitable locations in the Bay area. Their market was pretty much limited to the city of oakland and therefore had a very small media market footprint (because the rest of the Bay area was Giant's country). Without a ton of public money, it really was never going to be sustainable to keep the team in Oakland. 

 

11 minutes ago, TBideon said:

s Nashville a baseball town? I could see Charlotte, Omaha or even Indianapolis campaigning for a team.

Nashville has been lookign for a team for a while now. I hope it does not happen though.

 

Indy is not looking for a team but I seriously doubt they would ever be considered as a serious candidate for an MLB team. Their only hope is a relocation of an existing team.  Indy and Indiana as a state overlaps with Chicago, Cincinnati, St. Louis and Detroit markets for baseball fans. Neither of those markets will want to give up on their fans from the state and an established team in Indy would pull fans from all over the state.  Can't see an Indy team getting much support. Just like I could never see Columbus ever getting an expansion team either for the same reasons. 

Send the Rays back to Montreal! Resurrect the Expos! Charlotte is a decent choice but the thought of MLB in Nash is blah. 

4 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I hope that they do not expand in Nashville. That has traditionally been a Reds market and would be best not to create more competition there.

 

Thanks to TBS, The Braves became the entire South's team.  The stadium was...Turner Field, not unlike when the Reds played in Crosley Field and had their games broadcast on Crosley-owned WLW.  I expect that The Braves, specifically, will oppose any teams in Tennessee or North Carolina for that reason.  

 

If you were a kid in the 80s and early 90s, you'll remember that basic cable had WGN and TBS, which meant you ended up watching Cubs (Harry Carey era!) or Braves (completely boring announcers) games when the Reds weren't on TV.  Part of the reason why the Tom Browning rooftop incident looms so large in Reds lore is because so many people saw it on WGN. 

 

Nashville has been trying to attract black tourists for a long time and they have announced the idea to resurrect a negro league team name:

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The blurb overlooks that the "Star" is also the name of Nashville's sad little commuter rail line.  

 

 

12 minutes ago, Rabbit Hash said:

Send the Rays back to Montreal! Resurrect the Expos! Charlotte is a decent choice but the thought of MLB in Nash is blah. 

 

The Expos moved to Washington, DC and became the Nationals.  Tampa was an expansion team.  

 

 

One benefit a Nashville expansion team would see is the same as Vegas--people will travel there to see their home team.

 

Or, they live in Nashville but they are from somewhere else and will go see their home town team. 

 

This would be good for early attendance numbers for an unproven expansion team.  

2 hours ago, Rabbit Hash said:

Send the Rays back to Montreal! Resurrect the Expos! Charlotte is a decent choice but the thought of MLB in Nash is blah. 

Let's start a No to Nashville petition for MLB, LOL

26 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Let's start a No to Nashville petition for MLB, LOL

I really don't get the Nashville appeal. But others seem to. Some tech bro is gonna blow $3-5 billion to get an expansion franchise and stadium in the second hottest city to Austin. 

2 hours ago, Cleburger said:

One benefit a Nashville expansion team would see is the same as Vegas--people will travel there to see their home team.

 

Or, they live in Nashville but they are from somewhere else and will go see their home town team. 

 

This would be good for early attendance numbers for an unproven expansion team.  

Nashville has a decent market size, but also has three professional teams already. Baseball needs a big market, but also a large, dense urban area to pull attendance. Despite its MSA growth Nashville's urban area is quite a joke. It's so, so spread out. It doesn't have Austin-bad highway infrastructure, but it's also not good. They already have sky high prices. I foresee very rough growing pains soon.

2 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

Thanks to TBS, The Braves became the entire South's team.  The stadium was...Turner Field, not unlike when the Reds played in Crosley Field and had their games broadcast on Crosley-owned WLW.  I expect that The Braves, specifically, will oppose any teams in Tennessee or North Carolina for that reason.  

 

If you were a kid in the 80s and early 90s, you'll remember that basic cable had WGN and TBS, which meant you ended up watching Cubs (Harry Carey era!) or Braves (completely boring announcers) games when the Reds weren't on TV.  Part of the reason why the Tom Browning rooftop incident looms so large in Reds lore is because so many people saw it on WGN. 

 

Nashville has been trying to attract black tourists for a long time and they have announced the idea to resurrect a negro league team name:

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The blurb overlooks that the "Star" is also the name of Nashville's sad little commuter rail line.  

 

 

If two people/groups in Nashville and NC have $4 billion+ total for expansion fees, I don't think MLB will give a damn how the Braves feel lol. 

6 hours ago, TBideon said:

Montreal has got to be a front runner too. Hell, they were supposed to host half the Ray's games before COVID.  It's interesting how that would have played out.

 

Teams moving is always a bummer - f-k A's ownership- but Tampa and Miami fans just don't appreciate baseball, and I doubt there would be outcry. 

 

Is Nashville a baseball town? I could see Charlotte, Omaha or even Indianapolis campaigning for a team.

I hear the Sounds do well. Omaha is too small, and college baseball is a whole different ball game. Indianapolis already has NFL and NBA (and they're pushing for MLS). A city their size could not support a MLB team.

3 minutes ago, aderwent said:

If two people/groups in Nashville and NC have $4 billion+ total for expansion fees, I don't think MLB will give a damn how the Braves feel lol. 

This is the key. I dont think the MLS was really encouraging expansion in Cincinnati or even St. Louis at the time and if they had their choice on markets they would have picked others first, but those markets had strong ownership groups willing to pay the price of a team. 

7 hours ago, acd said:

 

What do you mean the West is saturated?  Cities like Minneapolis, New Orleans, and Memphis are in the West.  Seattle is the largest unrepresented metro and never should have lost their team, and Las Vegas is a top-30 market and growing rapidly.  Sacramento and Portland both have strong fan bases, no other pro teams to compete with, and top-30 markets, so I'm not sure why they'd leave.

 

Agree that Nashville and Charlotte have to be good bets for MLB expansion.  The Southeast does seem very underrepresented in the league.

I think doing East and West Conferences really hurts NBA and NHL. By saturated I mean adding Vegas and Seattle makes nine teams west of the Rocky Mountains. That's 28% of the teams for ~20% of the US population. I will say the markets are spread out well. So it could work if not ideal. I guess do what NHL does and have Utah move to West - Central Division. I do agree it was dirty to move the Supersonics. Las Vegas is the 40th in DMA size. Although their tourism industry brings a unique element. 

^All of the leagues have too many teams.  30 teams means, all things being equal, a single franchise will only win three times per century.  The Cubs went 107 years without a championship.  Several other franchises will similarly go 100 years without a championship, since the league is now so much bigger than it was during the first 50 years of Chicago's losing streak.    

 

^ Three times per century, eh?  I wish that was the case for Cleveland.

10 hours ago, aderwent said:

They're already saturated. I'd look for the Kings and/or Trailblazers to leave within 10-15 years of Las Vegas and Seattle getting teams.

Sacramento just built a new arena and Portland is a big market with a newer arena. 
 

Back to MLB expansion. Nashville has a solid plan and so does SLC. Portland might have a plan but there’s been some hold ups there. Tampa Bay is moving so I wouldn’t be surprised to see them go to Montreal or one of the expansion cities. Whoever has a stadium plan and the money to invest will win out, just like in other leagues. The NBA and NHL are looking to expand too and MLS isn’t done expanding either. 

On 4/21/2023 at 1:14 PM, Lazarus said:

 

The Expos moved to Washington, DC and became the Nationals.  Tampa was an expansion team.  

 

 

 

Well aware. That doesn't preclude the Rays moving to Montreal and adopting the Expos name, AFAIK. 

On 4/21/2023 at 3:02 PM, Brutus_buckeye said:

Let's start a No to Nashville petition for MLB, LOL

 

Ditteaux.   I've despised that town ever since they made a late play for the rock hall.   You have your own music and that's not it.  

Nashville also wanted the medical mart.  It might have been wise to let them have it.  

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start of summer silliness via the new yorker magazine -- 😅

 

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In the latest Chicago sports edition of will-they-won’t-they, the White Sox remain opaque about the organization’s plans for the team’s home when its lease expires after the 2029 season. 

 

 

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The 2023 MLB playoffs are in full swing!

After the wild-card round ended quickly with sweeps in all four series, the division series matchups are set.

 

Will the favored Atlanta Braves roll through the National League, or will one of the Philadelphia Phillies, Los Angeles Dodgers or Arizona Diamondbacks be the NL's last team standing? Can the Baltimore Orioles turn a 100-plus-win season into a World Series berth, or will we see a deep run from the Texas Rangers, Minnesota Twins or defending champion Houston Astros?

 

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1 hour ago, bumsquare said:

That’s almost the entire NHL salary cap lol

It was reported that his annual salary will be more than the team payroll of 8 MLB teams, including the Guardians. MLB is a joke. 

He was rumored to be going to the Blue Jays but apparently he or his people looked at the Canadian tax code.

 

Keep in mind that assuming he recovers fully, after this season he's two superstar players not one.

44 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

It was reported that his annual salary will be more than the team payroll of 8 MLB teams, including the Guardians. MLB is a joke. 

 

The Dodgers are still only 3rd in MLB behind the Mets and Phillies.

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Latest updates on Oakland A's stadium plans, Las Vegas move

 

Jeff Passan, ESPN
Jan 30, 2024, 08:00 AM ET

 


With Major League Baseball typically sharing a tentative schedule for the next season with teams early every year, the Oakland A's were supposed to have figured out by the end of December where they'll play in 2025 and beyond before moving to Las Vegas in 2028. That didn't happen. A mid-January deadline passed. Soon enough an end-of-January target will, too.

 

Even after the A's secured the deal to leave Oakland permanently, the franchise's near-term future remains in limbo. It's not just the MLB-low payroll or the lack of significant improvement of a roster from a team that went 50-112 last year. It's something as fundamental as not having a home following the expiration of their lease with the Oakland Coliseum after this season.

 

Here is what you need to know about where the A's stadium plans currently stand, according to multiple people involved with the process to find the team a home.

 


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New rendering for a proposed MLB stadium and development district just dropped https://thepowerdistrict.com/#renderings

I honestly think the A's wind up in Salt Lake City as their new home. This is a great stadium plan. Most of the site is former industrial brown field and it's right on a major LRT line.

11 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

New rendering for a proposed MLB stadium and development district just dropped https://thepowerdistrict.com/#renderings

I honestly think the A's wind up in Salt Lake City as their new home. This is a great stadium plan. Most of the site is former industrial brown field and it's right on a major LRT line.

 

Aren't they already approved to move to Las Vegas?  It sounds like stadium construction is about to start, and while they'll need a temporary home for a couple years, there's no indication that they're second-guessing the move to Vegas.

They were supposed to but they can't seem to get a stadium built in LV. SLC has said they'd host the A's in 2025 because as of now, they can't play in Oakland after this season. My guess is that they won't be able to get a LV stadium done, and if they move to SLC, the A's will sell to the Utah ownership and just stay there permanently

 

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MLB expansion: Potential cities, top locations to land teams

 

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There are plenty of candidates to land one of the franchises when the sport does expand, headlined by a pair of cities that have moved to the front of the line. Is your city one of the places that baseball could be eyeing? We asked our MLB reporters to break down the cases for and against the leading options.

 


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Two teams in Mexico City, duh.  One AL one NL. 

 

 

 

I bet you could get a lot more people to show up for games in Mexico than in the couchlocked U.S.

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